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| Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: kenzel
Date: 28-01-2018, 23:25 Edited by: kenzel at: 29-01-2018, 07:44 | I don't know why mp3's website is not running anymore, so I would like to prepare the seeding list for 18/19 season assumed that only CL-TH already qualifies via league. I am planning to update the Excel sheet every Monday. http://bit.ly/2zNtRS8 Also, another file is Excel fixture for WC2018, CL and EL (group stage/completed) and the top level leagues of Spain, Germany, England, Italy, France, Russia, Portugal, Belgium, Turkey and Holland. You can use it for simulation. https://1drv.ms/x/s!AqncSF3qVLhTlFTk5LYC-1WAt50- or https://files.fm/u/p85m529j Hope you enjoy, and you can inform the mistakes. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 30-01-2018, 15:16 | Great ! Thanks ! |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: biagio
Date: 03-02-2018, 09:06 Edited by: biagio at: 03-02-2018, 09:10 | in the CL , group D E F G H , and in the EL all the groups, you have the matches in the wrong dates. plus , in the WC , you already have the score of russia-egypt |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: dnina10
Date: 17-02-2018, 22:32 | The following link is an updated list https://www.dropbox.com/s/6si80clqjqvkknh/Seedings%2018-19%20%28Share%29%20%281 %29.xlsx?dl=0 |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: max_m
Date: 27-02-2018, 12:08 | Hello kenzel, thank you for the great work. Can I give jut one suggestion? Can you please bold the teams that are already 100% qualified, for ex. BATE Borisov? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: DIMA_AZERBAIJAN
Date: 17-03-2018, 14:28 | Bert in 2013-14 years Metalist Kharkiv has 1.50 point in sheet zero. Pleace make mistake. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 18-03-2018, 09:20 | @Dima: Can you please be a bit more specific? What is sheet zero? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Keld
Date: 20-03-2018, 18:16 | Dropbox has blocked access to the amazing seeding excel page. Too bad ;( "This link is temporarily disabled. The person who shared it hit their daily limit of traffic or downloads." |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: max_m
Date: 21-03-2018, 15:14 | Oh, too bad, I hope that the page will be fixed, it was awesome  |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 24-03-2018, 22:24 | For me the page doesn't work anymore too. Too bad, as it was simply great ! Would be also great to have it back working, thanks in advance ! |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: DIMA_AZERBAIJAN
Date: 30-03-2018, 19:07 | bert.kassies in his point zero (0) but must be 1,50 |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 01-04-2018, 21:47 | @Dima: No, the webpage is correct. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: kenzel
Date: 01-04-2018, 23:44 Edited by: administrator at: 02-04-2018, 19:16 | Dropbox has blocked the file maybe because of the visitor limits. We can continue with this website. uefadraw.com |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: el-pietro
Date: 03-04-2018, 17:11 | Hi, I'm not sure If I missing something but I don't see the Champions of Belarus or Denmark in this spreadsheet. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 03-04-2018, 17:40 | Hi, I'm not sure If I missing something but I don't see the Champions of Belarus or Denmark in this spreadsheet. Look in the 2nd qualifying round (Q2), BATE seeded and Brondby unseeded. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: el-pietro
Date: 04-04-2018, 15:19 | According to Berts access list both should be in the First Round https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/AccessList2018.html Currently only 32 teams in the first round when there should be 34. If I am missing something and there is a good reason these teams aren't entering until the second round then I think that is good news for my team as we are unseeded in QR1 |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Ed
Date: 04-04-2018, 15:38 Edited by: Ed at: 04-04-2018, 15:39 | el-pietro, Bert is right, you are right. There are 2 teams missing in the sheet in CLQ1: BATE and Brondby |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Ed
Date: 04-04-2018, 15:58 | Is it already described somewhere how teams with the same coefficient are ranked in the seeding ? F.i. in CLQ1 Ferencvaros, Sutjeska Niksic and Alashkert all have a 2.5 points coefficient. What's the next tiebreaker ? Their coefficient in the previous season and so on ? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 04-04-2018, 16:18 | @Ed So far it was always the coefficient in the most recent season. I don't see why that would be changed now. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Ed
Date: 04-04-2018, 17:55 | Well, the possibility of teams having the same coefficient will be (much) higher now with the new coefficient-calculation. So I thought: maybe UEFA does recognize that fact and will come up with a more sophisticated tiebreaker. As you are well aware, with the current tiebreaker-rules teams from different countries could already end up dead equal. The chances on that situation occurring will grow with the introduction of the new coefficient. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: kenzel
Date: 04-04-2018, 20:48 | @el-pietro @Ed The clubs still playing in CL have almost qualified for next years CL group stage, so CL-TH spot probably will not be used. For this reason, champions of 18th and 19th country enter in CH-Q2, just as 15th Champ to CH-Q3, 13th Champ to CH-Q4 and Czech Champ to Group Stage directly. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 05-04-2018, 00:05 | I don't think CH-19 (Bls) will start in Q2. There is also still a Q0, so it would be logical to have CH-52 (Gib) start in Q1 and let CH-53, 54, 55 play for 1 spot in Q1. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: DIMA_AZERBAIJAN
Date: 06-04-2018, 20:47 | @Bert. Please make mistake Metalist Kharkiv point 2013-14 seasons 1.50 point in link: https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2018.html |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 07-04-2018, 19:26 Edited by: bert.kassies at: 07-04-2018, 19:27 | @DIMA Metalist was disqualified and got no individual points for the team ranking: Metalist disqualified from UEFA competitions. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: dnina10
Date: 09-04-2018, 16:04 | Forza AZ, I do not agree with your statement regarding the 52nd rank champion to get a bye. It would make a lot more sense to have one less preliminary round than to still have two preliminary rounds. In this case, it's the less, the better. Have only one preliminary round, in which the teams are split into two pairs. Have them play a normal home and away leg, with the two winners qualifying for the first qualifying round. Much more logical than having yet another round with a bye in it. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 09-04-2018, 19:56 | @dnina10 That is also an option indeed. We will have to see what UEFA will do with this new situation. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: dnina10
Date: 16-04-2018, 18:57 | Here is an updated seeding https://1drv.ms/x/s!Av5EGqq140H7gm9jm2BC4yI7B2zC Legend: Bold - Qualified for indicated phase Italic - Qualified for Europe Underline - Qualified for indicated phase, but position in ranking (ie. UEFA Champions League pot) has not been confirmed |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: DIMA_AZERBAIJAN
Date: 17-04-2018, 08:47 | @ dnina way PSV Eindhoven is underline? They has been confirmed also. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Bas1411
Date: 23-04-2018, 20:23 | Could you please update the lists? Fiorentina is not virtually in Europe now. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: kenzel
Date: 23-04-2018, 22:41 Edited by: kenzel at: 23-04-2018, 22:43 | @Bas1411 I update the file after matchweek ends on Monday and Thursday, CL nights as well. Generally about 22.30(cet) depends on the kick-off times. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: matt
Date: 23-04-2018, 23:41 Edited by: matt at: 23-04-2018, 23:43 | Looks like the El-qualifying (league route) are getting harder by the day. Now Rijeka and Eintracht are the last two seeded teams in elqr3, but if every clqr2 league route tie will be seeded in elqr3 (because teams like Slavia Praha and Sturm Graz would take the opponent seeding), then Rijeka and Eintrahct are unseeded, and Atalanta risk to be unseeded if they qualify. Burnley just above the line. It's crazy. Until last season a coefficent of 12.00 and 15.000 often was ebough to be seeded in the playoff round, now it's (maybe) barely enough to be seeded in elqr3. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: shikabalas
Date: 24-04-2018, 12:20 | What happens when two teams have the same points in the UEFA ranking and they end up exactly in the limit between seeded-unseeded? For example in CHL LQ2, there is a chance PAOK and Galatasaray will be the 3rd and 4th team out of 6 with 29.500 points. Which team is seeded then? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 24-04-2018, 12:30 | The club who has the most points in the most recent season. So in this example PAOK (1.5 in 2017/18) over Galatasaray (0.5 in 2017/18). |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: caravaj
Date: 24-04-2018, 15:30 | @ Forza-AZ & dnina10 : "I don't think CH-19 (Bls) will start in Q2. There is also still a Q0, so it would be logical to have CH-52 (Gib) start in Q1 and let CH-53, 54, 55 play for 1 spot in Q1." This is also to be considered: how the CL preliminary missing loser(s) would be replaced in EL Q2 (way of champions)? By the way, do the CL & EL preliminary give points for the rankings? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: shikabalas
Date: 24-04-2018, 15:37 | @Forza_AZ thanks for clarifying this, my thought was that it would depend on the team's own points in these 5 years, not taking into account the country's participation in the total. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 24-04-2018, 16:50 | @caravaj This is also to be considered: how the CL preliminary missing loser(s) would be replaced in EL Q2 (way of champions)? I can only see 1 solution for this. You end up with an odd number of teams (19) in that round. So I would say 1 team will get a bye to EL Q3. Which team that will be is the question, since the draw will already be made before CL PR and Q1 are played. It can be random, or the loser of the match in CL Q1 with the highest ranked champions (either by league or by clubcoefficient). We have to wait untill June 19 to know for sure. By the way, do the CL & EL preliminary give points for the rankings? Yes, they do. -For country coefficient each win gives 1 point and each draw 0.5. -For club coefficent clubs get points according to the EL round they are eliminated in (EL-PR: 0.5, EL-Q1: 1, EL-Q2: 1.5, EL-Q3: 2, EL-Q4: 2.5). Clubs that make it to the EL-GS are guarenteed 3 points even if they don't make that amount (2 for each win, 1 for each draw) in their 6 GS-matches. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: caravaj
Date: 25-04-2018, 18:30 Edited by: caravaj at: 25-04-2018, 18:32 | @ Forza-AZ Thanks a lot for your answer about ranking points. Do you know also what will be the ranking points in CL ? And where do you get these precious informations ? if not confidential And how do you make italics ? I'm not that geek... |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: caravaj
Date: 25-04-2018, 19:16 | @ Forza Forget the ranking points, I've found them! But not yet the italics |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 25-04-2018, 19:29 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 25-04-2018, 19:30 | You can make a text in Italics by putting it between [i > and [/i > (without the spaces, and straight closing bracket). |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: lebledard
Date: 27-04-2018, 21:25 | In an old post on another topic I had shown the extreme difficulty of qualifications in the Europa League now UCL not does not change much. But the directly qualifcation of 4th of Spain, Germany, Italy and Spain is undeserved But UEL qualification became too hardcore ! Europa League became a disaster, teams have too qualifications round ! We experienced last year too many big teams in preliminary rounds and too many mid-teams qualified directly for ELGS In the same year we have the big unseeded team in ELQ4 (Panathinaikos with 15.080) and the worst Pot 1 team (Braga with 37.366) The last of Pot 2 (Nice with 16.833) is too close of the big unseeded of Q4. But next year it will be worse UEFA want favorize big countries but the last team of Germany, England, Spain, Italy or France go in ELQ2. The 7th team have three more qualification round than the 6th. Is too, many big teams will be elimination in qualification round ! And according draw calendar, is whatever in EL Champion Part, big teams will be unseeded unfairly or small teams became seeded. It is a massacre ! An other idiocy of UEFA is the 2th of countries like Turkey, Swiss or Czech Republic play CLQ2, if they lose, they play ELQ3. The 2th of their countries played ELQ3 and ELQ4, but the 3rd or the CW is qualifyed directly for ELGS. Ridiculous ! The League Path is very hardcore just for a qualification in EL GS. In last year we need 16.075 for be seeded in Q4, in next year you need 22.500 ! 22.500 without the 20% part of country. The suppression of 20% of country ranking is bad ! In next year in ELQ3 teams like AEK Athens, Ostersund, or Slavia Praha who have played UEL GS last year will be unseeded but Ufa, a random club in Russia is seeded. And ELQ4 is horrible, a team like Sigma Olomouc, Vorskla Poltava or Nantes have qualified directly for ELGS but teams like Leicester and Celta Vigo are unseeded in Q4! In EL history all english and spanish teams have seeded in ELQ4, even Stoke City, Birmingham City, Levante, Real Sociedad, Hull City, West Ham. But an CLQF and a ELSF will be unseeded! It is a shame ! In last year Celta Vigo have a coefficient of 39.999 they will be seeded for CL GS and Pot 1 in EL. In next year, the have 20.085 and unseeded in ELQ4 ! Krasnodar the 61th of UEFA ranking will be unseeded in ELQ4 ! It is a big joke, I think that the best unseeded team in ELQ4, will be Pot 2. The seeding for access to EL32 will be more easy than access to ELGS. A shame ! |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: shikabalas
Date: 01-05-2018, 19:23 | @ Forza_AZ "The club who has the most points in the most recent season. So in this example PAOK (1.5 in 2017/18) over Galatasaray (0.5 in 2017/18)." Sorry for asking again about this, but all greek journalists seem to agree that in this scenario Galatasaray is seeded and PAOK unseeded because when two clubs have identical points then the nation points are taken into consideration and Turkey has more than Greece. Is it possible that this is right? Do we have a specific article from UEFA where these cases are mentioned? |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 01-05-2018, 19:43 | @shikabalas As far as I know the regulations are not published yet. And since this is a new situation, with seeding only based on clubs own collected points, I can't say for certain if nations points will play a role in seeding in case of equal points. |
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| Author: orestgia
Date: 01-05-2018, 21:46 | I think Atletico (or Marseille) will win EL so PAOK will be unseeded against Basel and Ajax. (Turkish runner up will be upgraded to 3rd round) |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Bas1411
Date: 12-05-2018, 18:42 | @kenzel The regulations of the Champions League and Europa League are published, please note the new seeding rules. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: marnac
Date: 12-05-2018, 21:38 Edited by: marnac at: 12-05-2018, 21:53 | Pot 2: Borussia Dortmund FC Porto Manchester United Pot 3: FC Salzburg Pot 4: 1899 Hoffenheim |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: max_m
Date: 14-05-2018, 16:23 | Hi Kenzel, Maribor is currently first in Slovenia, not Olimpija. And also i think that Kukesi is sure to be in a CL. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Bas1411
Date: 14-05-2018, 21:36 | That could be because the most recent update is of 8 May at 14:00. |
| Re: Seeding 18/19 and Excel fixtures | |
| Author: Bas1411
Date: 20-06-2018, 16:15 | @Kenzel Are you still updating the sheets? |
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