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Author: eye1
Date: 29-12-2017, 17:21

I am planning to create an excel file probably which will presents 2018-2019 european competitions based on current domestic standings. So i need some help about some rules for the next competition.

1) I assume CL and EL holders are extra spots as it used to be so countries don't get extra spot if these clubs qualified via domestic league. Corrent me if i am wrong. I also think there was a rule of maximum 5 clubs to CL in case CL and EL holders had not qualified via domestic league and were from a country that had 4 clubs at CL. Is there such rule or a country can have 6 clubs at CL.I guess it is only theoretical question only since it is almost impossible to happen but it is also necessary when creating such softoware

2) Are league cup winners of England ans France still taking the last EL spot?

3) Ties. Since clubs have only their own points now it is too possible 2 or more clubs to have same points. How is tie broken ? I guess club which has more points recently wins the tie but i don't know what happens when they are still tied.

4) Banned clubs. Are there any clubs that cannot take part in next seasons competions cause of UEFA ban ? I guess these clubs are replaced based on domestic standings.

Thanks in advanced for any reply and will also be glad if someone can provide me a list (or a link) where i can find all domestic competition systems. Some countries have really weird systems and i would really appreciate if someone can help me at this.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-12-2017, 19:43

1) I assume CL and EL holders are extra spots as it used to be so countries don't get extra spot if these clubs qualified via domestic league. Corrent me if i am wrong.
You are correct. The country will only have extra spot(s) if the CL and/or EL-winner didn't qualify at all in their domestic league and Cup.

I also think there was a rule of maximum 5 clubs to CL in case CL and EL holders had not qualified via domestic league and were from a country that had 4 clubs at CL. Is there such rule or a country can have 6 clubs at CL.I guess it is only theoretical question only since it is almost impossible to happen but it is also necessary when creating such softoware
5 is the maximum. When both CL and EL-TH are from the same country (ranked 1-4) and both are outside the top 4 of their league, then 4th in the league will not play CL but EL.

2) Are league cup winners of England ans France still taking the last EL spot?
Yes, no changes there.

3) Ties. Since clubs have only their own points now it is too possible 2 or more clubs to have same points. How is tie broken ? I guess club which has more points recently wins the tie but i don't know what happens when they are still tied.
Most recent season will count when there is a tie. When all 5 seasons are equal, then normally the position they qualified in in their league counted. I'm not sure what happens if clubs are from different countries and qualified at the same position. Not very likely to happen, but maybe the club from the better ranked country gets the favour (?).

4) Banned clubs. Are there any clubs that cannot take part in next seasons competions cause of UEFA ban ? I guess these clubs are replaced based on domestic standings.
From Netherlands Twente is still banned this season. Not likely they would qualify via the league (only 16th right now), but they are still in the Cup. If they would win it, then their spot will be handed to the next club in the league.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-12-2017, 19:54

I was just looking at the Club Ranking 2018 and was wondering what will be done with clubs that don't have their own ranking, but have played in Europe in the last 5 seasons.

For example the Spanish clubs Celta de Vigo, Real Sociedad and Real Betis. So they all have a ranking of 20,085. Which club will be ranked higher? The one that collected the most points over 5 years (so Celta 19; Sociedad 14,5; Betis 12) or the one that collected the most points in the most recent season (so Sociedad first with 8, then Celta de Vigo with 0 and 19 in the previous season, and last Betis with 0 in the last 2 seasons)

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: kenzel Date: 29-12-2017, 22:47 Edited by: kenzel at: 29-12-2017, 22:48	Today, I have prepared a seeding list for 18/19 season assumed that only CL-TH already qualifies via league. I am planning to update the Excel sheet once a week, at least till Malko shares his file https://www.dropbox.com/s/5b06mhkvub28lit/Seedings%2018-19%20%28Share%29.xlsx?d l=0 or shorten http://bit.ly/2zNtRS8

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: kenzel Date: 30-12-2017, 12:42	Sorry, I mean m-p3 instead of Malko.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: amirbachar Date: 30-12-2017, 19:04	Is EL title holder guaranteed to be in CL's pot 2?

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: amirbachar Date: 30-12-2017, 19:08	@kenzel, You have a small mistake - it's Hapoel Haifa who is currently 2nd and not Maccabi Haifa.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-12-2017, 19:42	@amirbachar No, the coefficient of the EL-TH will determine in which Pot they are.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: kenzel Date: 08-01-2018, 18:41	Thank you for informing mistakes. I have corrected and updated the sheet. I am planning to do it every Monday.

Author: eye1
Date: 21-01-2018, 09:52

@Forza-AZ thanks for the reply just was a bit busy the previous period and had not time to work on it. Just few more questions.

1) As you said when el and cl winners are both of top 4 country and have not qualified to CL the fourth team of league is moving to EL. Is this an extra EL spot or the club that got EL3 spot looses it? This can happen only if CL and EL winners did not win even EL spot. Extreme scenario of course but software needs just rules no matter if this will probably never happen
2) Concerning league cup winners. As i know they get the last EL spot if they have not qualified via league. Also when cup winner has qualified to CL the last EL spot is given to league. So there is a confict here. Which club gets the EL spot and which EL3 in this case?

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 21-01-2018, 12:42
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 21-01-2018, 12:43

1) As you said when el and cl winners are both of top 4 country and have not qualified to CL the fourth team of league is moving to EL. Is this an extra EL spot or the club that got EL3 spot looses it? This can happen only if CL and EL winners did not win even EL spot. Extreme scenario of course but software needs just rules no matter if this will probably never happen

That will be an extra spot, so that country will have 9 teams in Europe (5 CL + 4 EL)

2) Concerning league cup winners. As i know they get the last EL spot if they have not qualified via league. Also when cup winner has qualified to CL the last EL spot is given to league. So there is a confict here. Which club gets the EL spot and which EL3 in this case?

It depends on the league position of the League Cup winner. If they got the lowest position of teams qualifying for EL, then they have the lowest spot.
So for example England (assuming Cup winner is in top 6), if the League Cup winner is 5th or 6th, then 7th will have the EL-Q spot. If the League Cup winner is 7th or lower, then League Cup winner takes EL-Q spot.

Author: eye1
Date: 21-01-2018, 18:21

1) In this scenario (5CL + 4EL) does still cup winner get the EL1 spot or is given to 4th placed team as award since lost the CL? In which round does the the 4th EL team start?

2) You didn't understand my question or maybe i didn't say correctly. If in england cup winner is at top 4 and league cup winner outside top 7 then EL1 is 5th placed team surely but who is EL2 and who EL3?
According to rules league cup winner gets the EL3 but also when cup winner has qualified to CL EL3 is given to league. What do they do at such situation ?

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 21-01-2018, 19:55
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 21-01-2018, 19:55

1) In this scenario (5CL + 4EL) does still cup winner get the EL1 spot or is given to 4th placed team as award since lost the CL? In which round does the the 4th EL team start?

The regular EL-participants just start in the rounds they have qualified for (so 2 times EL-GS + 1 time EL-Q2). I'm not 100% certain, but I would expect the 4th in the league to also start in EL-GS. To make room for them some teams would have to start 1 round earlier (CW of country 12 etc.)

2) You didn't understand my question or maybe i didn't say correctly. If in england cup winner is at top 4 and league cup winner outside top 7 then EL1 is 5th placed team surely but who is EL2 and who EL3?
According to rules league cup winner gets the EL3 but also when cup winner has qualified to CL EL3 is given to league. What do they do at such situation ?

The order of the EL-participants is just given by the order they finish in the league, with exception to the Cup Winner which will be EL1 always.
So in your example 5th = EL1, 6th = EL2, League Cup = EL3.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 23-01-2018, 23:04	@kenzel Ludogorets should start from CL-Q1 in your dropbox file.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: kenzel Date: 24-01-2018, 10:24	@Cro_nogomet As far as I read from the forum, if CL-TH club qualifies via league and league champion of 11th country directly goes to CL groups, there would be 1 Bye club which has the highest coefficient in CL-Q1 round because of the odd number of the teams. Maybe someone could verify this information.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 24-01-2018, 11:26	@kenzel It's the highest ranked country that sends a club to CL-Q2, not the highest ranked club.

Re: Help in creating new seasons' list
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 24-01-2018, 12:46	There is also a CL-"Q0", so I would expect the champion of Gibraltar (52) to start in Q1, and the champion of Andorra (53) to start in the "final" of "Q0". The only question is then what to do with EL-Q2 champions route, since you end up with an odd number of teams there. Which of them will get a bye to Q3? Since at the draw you don't know yet which teams will lose in CL-Q1.

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