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Author: Kjello
Date: 09-12-2017, 02:17
| Hi guys!
I was looking into Rosenborg's seeding possibilities for next year tonight. And one question came to my mind.
As we all know, currently, the CLQ3 is drawn before the CLQ2 is finished. Because of this, seeded teams in the CLQ3 draw has in many cases been "Winner of X vs Y" where X has the highest coefficient.
In next years qualifiers, loosing teams of the new CLQ1 and CLQ2, enters the new EL qualifying rounds dubbed LCQ2 and LCQ3.
I reckon the draw of these, will also be drawn before the CL qualifying rounds are finished. So LCQ2 and CLQ2 are drawn before CLQ1 is finished. LCQ3 and CLQ3 are drawn before CLQ2 and LCQ2 are finished.
My question then is, in the LCQ2, and LCQ3, who's seeding does the teams from the CLQ take?
Celtic and Cork City draws each other in the CLQ1. When the LCQ2 is drawn, will it be "Loser of Celtic vs Cork City" using Celtic's seeding? Or Cork City's seeding?
In any case, we might get some unfairness if you ask me.
Using Celtic's seeding, Cork City might suddenly be top seeded. And that for losing. That's a bit unfair for the team that loses their seeded spot.
Using Cork City's seeding, we might get seeded teams that ends up with much tougher unseeded teams than they would else. Say Cork beats Celtic in the CLQ1. Celtic then enters the LCQ1. They've drawn The New Saints which are top seeded.
That's very unfair for The New Saints that now has to face Celtic despite being top seeded themselves. And not some normal unseeded team.
Does anyone have the answer to this? |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 09-12-2017, 12:39
| As far as I know the draw dates are not known yet.
Maybe UEFA will not make draws for that rounds before the clubs are known.
If they do draw before, then they need to use either the higher coefficient or lower coefficient for each pair. Most likely that will be the higher one. You are correct however that this could give strange situations in seeding. |
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Author: Kjello
Date: 09-12-2017, 13:39
| According to the Norwegian FA, June 25th and July 27th are draw dates for the qualifying rounds. Which means that CLQ1, CLQ2 and LCQ2 are drawn at the same time. And CLQ3 and LCQ3 are drawn at the same time. And before CLQ2 and LCQ2 are finished.
It also looks like CL Playoff and EL Playoff will be drawn before CLQ3, ELQ3 and LCQ3 are finished as well. Which means that we'll get the same question there. |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-12-2017, 20:01
| @Kjello
Do you have any link to the Norwegian FA website for the dates of those draws?
Your observation is right. It will introduce some "unfairness" into the Europa League draws for losing clubs from the Champions League.
Until now the regulations have only one article dealing with this (and I doubt if it will be changed in time). Article 13.03: " ... If, for any unforeseen reason, any of the participants in such rounds are not known at the time of the draw, the coefficient of the club with the higher coefficient of the two clubs involved in an undecided tie will be used for the purposes of the draw.". |
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Author: Kjello
Date: 09-12-2017, 21:04
Edited by: Kjello
at: 09-12-2017, 22:48 | The basic fixture list claims so.
It does however, only say those two dates. And not August 10th for the Playoff like you have. |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-12-2017, 21:53
Edited by: bert.kassies
at: 09-12-2017, 21:56 | Thanks. Please note that the draw dates on my Calendar 2018-19 are just guessed. Based upon previous seasons, but not on any further info.
July 27 and August 10 seem to me like very logical dates. June 25 does not seem very logical draw date for Q1 because the preliminary round is not even started. And July 13 might be an additional draw for Q2. Many questions left. |
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Author: Kjello
Date: 05-01-2018, 19:34
| Got a friend of mine that runs the biggest Rosenborg site to contact UEFA with this issue.
Dear Sir,
The regulations for the Champions League 2018/19 will get approved and confirmed by the UEFA Executive Committee later on this year, the exact date is not known yet.
We will be able to provide you with more information and details about the draw procedure once the regulations have been published.
Best wishes,
UEFA Media & Public Relations
So little help from them at the moment. |
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Author: matt
Date: 06-03-2018, 19:35
| In the Clqr2 (non-champions) there are 3 ties. The losers go to Elqr3.
Elqr3 draw is held before the Clqr2 matches are played.
So these 3 teams will be seeded or unseeded?
Let's make an example.
Clqr2: Ajax - Slavia Praha. The loser goes to Elqr3. Ajax would be seeded in Elqr3, Slavia not. So what will UEFA do? |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 06-03-2018, 19:48
| I assume they use the highest ranking, which they untill now always did when the previous round match wasn't completed yet.
Of course there is a difference because you now have losers of a previous round, but would be unfair if a EL-Q3 seeded team suddenly can play a very high ranked team which surprisingly loses in CL-Q2. |
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Author: matt
Date: 06-03-2018, 20:18
| So right now Zurich, Midtjylland and Montpellier would be unseeded in elqr3.
While in the Champions part Rosenborg would be seeded in Elpo with a lower ranking.
Crazy. |
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Author: el-pietro
Date: 14-03-2018, 18:53
| Why is it crazy? They are Champions. That should count for something. |
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Author: ProstAcer
Date: 17-04-2018, 14:53
| Hey guys,
do you have any information whether eliminated CL teams who continue in EL are going to be seeded automatically?
I remember hearing this when this system was revealed, but I find no source for it.
Thank you in advance,
Peter |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 17-04-2018, 16:38
| I think you are confused with the fact that eliminated CL-teams (from the champions route) play in a seperate part of the EL-Q.
So they are not automatically seeded, but play each other for 8 spots in the EL-groupstage.
Teams eliminated in the CL-non-champions Q2, enter the regular EL-Q3 and are just treated like all other participants. |
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Author: ProstAcer
Date: 18-04-2018, 10:43
| Oh, thank you!
I didn't realise it works like this! Cheers! |
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Author: shikabalas
Date: 19-04-2018, 19:19
| Could someone tell me what happens in the following scenario: Atletico wins the EL, so the N3 of France plays in CL GS directly. But which team is moved forward to fill the gap left by N3 of France in the CL qualifying?
(Also the same can happen if Marseille wins EL AND finishes 3rd in France) |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 19-04-2018, 19:56
| @shikabalas
Could someone tell me what happens in the following scenario: Atletico wins the EL, so the N3 of France plays in CL GS directly. But which team is moved forward to fill the gap left by N3 of France in the CL qualifying?
(Also the same can happen if Marseille wins EL AND finishes 3rd in France)
-N2 of Turkey and Czech Rep will be moved on to CL-Q3
-Only 4 teams left in CL-Q2 (non champions) so 1 less loser will enter EL-Q3.
-CW Denmark to EL-Q3, CW Norway to EL-Q2, CW's Wales and Faroer to EL-Q1 |
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Author: shikabalas
Date: 24-04-2018, 12:14
| Thank you, very detailed answer! |
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