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Author: eoinh1
Date: 27-09-2017, 15:32
| What with Catalonia gearing up for an Independence Referendum I was wondering what effect this would have on their clubs rankings if the vote was Yes.
If there was an Independent Catalonia Would Barcelona have to start from the Preliminary rounds of the CL? I mean they would no longer be Spanish. I assume also they would miss a season as there is no Catalonian League? |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 27-09-2017, 17:12
| I would assume Barcelona and the other Catalan clubs would be able to finish the last season in Spanish league and qualify for CL or EL. So they would still play for Spain in the CL or EL at the same time they will play in the first Catalan league season.
Catalonia would be a new member then, so indeed they would start at 0 in the ranking like Kosovo just did. That would mean Barcelona would have to play the CL-QR's untill they are far enough up the rankings to earn a direct CL-spot. |
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Author: jkjkjk
Date: 28-09-2017, 00:54
| It's possible it could be a long process.
It's also possible that the Catalan clubs could decide to not be part of a Catalan league. You can look at other countries to see the possible outcomes (Monaco, Liechtenstein, Wales, among others).
Of course, a yes vote on the referendum does not mean independence is certain. It could be quite a while before anything happens (if it happens). |
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Author: eoinh1
Date: 28-09-2017, 13:26
| Well Wales has its own League and Wales isnt an Independent nation. The other places are all really Micro states. Catalonia is fairly big at 7.5 million and as you say it could take years.
If it did come to pass I think it would mean the end of Barcelona as one of Europes mega clubs. The League would just consist of them and Espanyol and teams from Spanish second and third divisions. You couldnt imagine their really big stars hanging around. |
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Author: Andrey495340
Date: 28-09-2017, 22:45
| "Catalonia would be a new member then, so indeed they would start at 0 in the ranking like Kosovo just did." - I think not.
Catalonia will get initially nonzero points, which was count like this: the points of FC Barcelona divided by all points of clubs of Spain during 5 or more years.
It should be done like that to protect the matches results like FC Barcelona vs. FC X 15:0.
For rough example, Catalonia gets 1/7 or 1/8 points of all points of Spain. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-09-2017, 23:43
| I don't believe Catalonia would start with points. It is similar to Slovakia and the former-Soviet states (except Russia), which all started as new members on 0 points.
However Barcelona would keep their own points and so will be seeded in the QR's with that.
Espanyol however would start with 0 and would be unseeded in EL-QR's. |
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Author: jkjkjk
Date: 29-09-2017, 00:23
Edited by: jkjkjk
at: 29-09-2017, 00:25 | I think I was not clear in my meaning. I referenced the other countries just as examples to show that the Catalan clubs may have options other than a Catalan league.
Monaco has no league and Monaco plays in the Ligue 1.
Liechtenstein has no league and most of the clubs play in Switzerland.
Wales might be the best example. There is a league in Wales, but many Welsh clubs play in the English league system (Swansea for example).
So, Catalan clubs may have the option of still playing in La Liga instead of a Catalan league, among other options.
I think Forza-AZ is right about the country coefficient. I don't see how UEFA could justify doing anything different with a new independent country than they have done in the past. (It would be funny to see Barcelona in the QR's. Every other team would be praying to not be drawn against them)
Of course there are a lot of "ifs" in this situaiton. If the referendum passes, if that is used for independence, etc.
If something happens, it could be a long time from now. |
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Author: putje
Date: 30-09-2017, 14:00
| Barca should start in pre qualification gamas for a max of 2 years.
With their current quality they should pass to the group and win themselves enough points to bring Catalonia +/- 30° after one year and round 20 the year after. |
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