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| International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: ses56
Date: 16-10-2008, 23:55 | UEFA has sent "International match calendar and access list for the 2009/2010 season" to the UEFA Member Associations, UEFA Executive Committee, UEFA Club Competitions Committee, Professional Leagues, European Members of the FIFA Executive Committee, and FIFA, signed by David Taylor and dated as Sep 24, 2008. The main difference of the access list compared to the provisional access lists announced Nov 30, 2007 is the names of the rounds in both competitions. UCL: Preliminary Round became 1st Qualifying Round 1st Qualifying Round became 2nd Qualifying Round 2nd Qualifying Round became 3rd Qualifying Round 3rd Qualifying Round became Play-off Round The round after the group stage is called as 1st knockout round, same as it was called in 30.11.07 announcement. UEFA Cup (at the time the name was not changed) 4th Qualifying Round became Play-off Round The two knockout rounds after the group stage are called Round of 32 and Round of 16, same as they were called in 30.11.07 document. The dates are almost same as they are in 30.11.07 document. The only difference is the change of International week shown as 17-23 Aug to 10-16 Aug. Therefore the games originally scheduled for Aug 10-16 are moved to Aug 17-23 week. The super cup will be on Aug 28. FIFA Club World Cup is from Dec 10 to 20. The members are reminded not to schedule domestic competitions during the UCL finals. For further scheduling the dates for the coming UCL fnals are announced as 28.05.2011 and 19.05.2012 as well. The berths for the countrieas are same as 30.11.07 document. P.S. Nothing was mentioned on the changes to the club coefficients as they will be announced officially by uefa two days later than this document. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 17-10-2008, 14:36 | "as they will be announced officially by uefa two days later than this document." Do you mean that in 2 days this will be anounced? That would be good - I can't believe that, where do you get these 2 days from? |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 17-10-2008, 16:31 | Quote:UCL: Preliminary Round became 1st Qualifying Round 1st Qualifying Round became 2nd Qualifying Round 2nd Qualifying Round became 3rd Qualifying Round 3rd Qualifying Round became Play-off Round And what is the new name of non-champions qualifying rounds? |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: ses56
Date: 17-10-2008, 17:20 Edited by: ses56 at: 17-10-2008, 17:21 | @ Ricardo The access list was sent on Sep 24 and the media release talking about the club coefficients was dated on Sep 26, that is TWO days after the access lists and international dates. @ Kaiser Non-champions rounds are called "Best Placed". So there are two different routes - Champions and Best Placed. Best Placed Rounds are Q3 and Play-off. There is a copy of the access list at turkish-soccer.com. Select UEFA Cups then Access List from the top menus. The link to 2009-2010 Access List is at right hand side. |
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| Author: psw
Date: 20-10-2008, 20:40 | I'm sorry but is the following info from 2009 Calendar really correct? June 17-21, 2009 1st qualifying round UEFA Cup, 1st leg June 24-28, 2009 1st qualifying round UEFA Cup, 2nd leg June 30/July 1 2009 1st qualifying round Champions League, 1st leg July 2-5, 2009 2nd qualifying round UEFA Cup, 1st leg July 7/8, 2009 2nd qualifying round Champions League, 2nd leg July 9-12, 2009 2nd qualifying round UEFA Cup, 2nd leg There is 1QRCL 1st leg only and 2QRCL 2nd leg only. Why these rounds are named in this rather strange way? |
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| Author: MTC
Date: 20-10-2008, 20:59 | Clearly that's a typo. A larger mistake is that it should say Europa League instead of UEFA Cup. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 20-10-2008, 21:59 | Fixed. Thx for feedback. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: ses56
Date: 22-10-2008, 23:57 | The official document sent to the member associations has the dates on page 2 of the document as below: (copied and pasted the section below from the official document) ----------- 2009/10 UEFA Champions League 1st qualifying round - 30 June/1 July and 7/8 July 2009 2nd qualifying round - 14/15 and 21/22 July 2009 3rd qualifying round - 28/29 July and 4/5 August 2009 Play-offs - 18/19 and 25/26 August 2009 MD 1 - 15/16 September 2009 MD 2 - 29/30 September 2009 MD 3 - 20/21 October 2009 MD 4 - 3/4 November 2009 MD 5 - 24/25 November 2009 MD 6 - 8/9 December 2009 First knockout round (spread over four weeks) 16/17 February, 23/24 February, 9/10 March and 16/17 March 2010 Quarter-finals - 30/31 March and 6/7 April 2010 Semi-finals - 20/21 and 27/28 May 2010 Final - 22 May 2010 2009/10 UEFA Cup 1st qualifying round - 2 and 9 July 2009 2nd qualifying round - 16 and 23 July 2009 3rd qualifying round - 30 July and 6 August 2009 Play-offs - 20 and 27 August 2009 MD1 - 17 September 2009 MD2 - 1 October 2009 MD3 - 22 October 2009 MD4 - 5 November 2009 MD5 - 2/3 December 2009 MD6 - 16/17 December 2009 Round of 32 - 18 and 25 February 2010 Round of 16 - 11 and 18 March 2010 Quarter-finals - 1 and 8 April 2010 Semi-finals - 22 and 29 April 2010 Final - 12 May 2010 2009 UEFA Super Cup The UEFA Super Cup will be played on 28 August 2009. In addition, please note that the FIFA Club World Cup is scheduled from 10 to 20 December 2009. -------- Karel, The dates you have for the three qualifying rounds of UEL are all wrong. UEL doesn't start in June. It starts at the same time with UCL in July. Notes: 1 - The document was dated as 24.09.2008. That's why the name was UEFA Cup at the time. 2 - The draw dates were not shown in the text part or the calendar table. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 23-10-2008, 09:21 | ses56, thx for the info. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 23-10-2008, 09:40 | So the UC/El starts at the same time as the CL, that's much better. Some of us already wondered why it should start so early. Thx! |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: pit
Date: 23-10-2008, 12:00 | I believe I knew the answer why UEFA Cup was scheduled to start so early. In UEFA Cup they have to handle the problem with avoiding teams from the same country to play against each other in the Q rounds. It is OK to do it for one round, but I still cannot imagine how it can be done with drawing two (or more) rounds at the same time. If you have a pair aaa (country X) - bbb (country Y) in Q1, it could not be drawn in Q2 against any club from countries X and Y, neither against any pair from Q1 including countries X and Y. An example from the real life: let's take Wales (47) and Iceland (39). They both will have in next year's UEFA CUP (League) two teams in Q1 and one team in Q2. So if there is a pair WAL - ISL in Q1, there should be one more pair with WAL team and one further with ISL team in Q1, meaning that the winner from the pair WAL - ISL should avoid four teams in the Q2 draw: two possibly advancing from Q1 and two entering in Q2. I cannot judge does it exist a simple procedure for managing such a draw. In fact it is even more complicated: there will be teams coming from CL (but OK, they can only enter UEFA Q4, and the draw for Q4 will be made after Q3 games are finished); if e.g. all WAL and ISL teams in the above example are unseeded, then no problem exist at all etc. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: amirbachar
Date: 23-10-2008, 16:20 | That's why they use computers in the draw. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 23-10-2008, 16:54 | But together with regional groupings there is a point in this: drawing Q1 largely influences Q2! |
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| Author: pit
Date: 26-10-2008, 18:17 | and indeed - I believe UEFA did not use computer draw before the group stage in the UEFA Cup; instead they used this strange R1 grouping or the provision that if clubs from the same country are paired, the second (or the unseeded?) is left aside for the next pair and new club is being drawn for the current pair. |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 27-10-2008, 11:43 | pit I'm not sure where you got that from. For me the UEFA Cup group stage draw was done in the same way as every other UEFA draw. Someone draws some balls from a bag & -somewhere in the background - a computer informs those conducting the draw which groups it's possible for the team to be allocated to. The one difference compared to the CL group draw (and one that would make sense to me for all such draws) was that the club drawn was simply allocated to the "next available group" rather than a seperate draw taking place to choose which of the "available groups" the team should go to. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-10-2008, 13:49 | I preferred the CL way, as group E was formed by teams that were pushed forward after being drawn. Actualy I don't understand why they didn't use the CL way of first selecting the possible groups, as there was clearly a computer on the background informing them about which options were NOT possible anymore.... |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: pit
Date: 29-10-2008, 07:08 | badgerboy i was not sure how does it look like the "computer draw" for GS; i only remember to have read some description of the draw for the Q rounds and based on this i wanted to underline that uefa DID NOT USE computer draw in the uefa cup Q rounds, only the simple "left aside for the next pair". So in this case it will be rather difficult to process Q1 and Q2 draw on the same day with so many limitations; one further point is what Ricardo mentioned - the regional grouping; all those will heavily influence the draw for the Q2 - instead of free draw it will be transformed into almost administratively selected pairs |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 29-10-2008, 10:04 | Let's hope that the draw with regional groups will be so complicated that UEFA will be forced to abandon the regions. |
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| Author: dzomba
Date: 29-10-2008, 14:43 Edited by: dzomba at: 29-10-2008, 14:47 | I don't know. Regions have pros and cons. Problem with them is that they are not balanced - some are obviously stronger than others. Also moving teams/countries from one region to another is weird. But regions help to improve local rivalry between countries. So those matches are much, much more interesting. Especially matches between neighbours are attractive. This is an advantage of regions (only for QRs). For example, matches Honka-Levadia are more interesting than matches Honka-Vardar. When Hajduk played against Buducnost stadium was almost full. If they have played with Ekranas it wouldn't be. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 03-11-2008, 23:08 | Is there any possibility to read this letter on uefa.com ? I'd like to know what are the names in French. Is 'Playoffs' translated by "barrages" ? I suppose they're changing the name of this round because a lot of clubs' supporters, particularly those used to start in September (Big6), will be surprised to start that early. Also it suits the CL TV rights sale with the playoffs (see I'm adapting quickly!) integrated. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: ses56
Date: 06-11-2008, 23:29 Edited by: ses56 at: 07-11-2008, 13:59 | Play-offs remains same for all three langueages - that is English, French, and German. It was in the Access List, not in the letter. The link to the new Access List at turkish-soccer.com. {a href=http://www.angelfire.com/nj/sivritepe/0809/z0910AL.pdf>2008-2009 Access List{/a> Please check the abbreviations at the bottom of the list. |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 08-11-2008, 11:13 | Thanks a lot  It irritates me... We have a translation for "playoffs" and they just don't use it?  I'm getting to mail Michel Platini now – I suppose he'll understand my French will... |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 08-11-2008, 17:32 | Now it's done — I wrote an e-mail to uefa.com to know more about the new names & the translation. I'll write you if I ever have an answer! |
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| Author: Lusankya
Date: 09-11-2008, 15:07 | title-holder -> Titelhalter that's wrong, in German the correct translation would be Titelverteidiger (verteidiger = defender). Titelhalter is just the direct translation of the words "title" and "holder". |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 11-11-2008, 12:42 | It might be a joke! uefa.com did not write me back. Unless they don't care about their mailbox, or they're having a holiday because of the end of WWI (in Switzerland :-p), they should answer me today! |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 11-11-2008, 16:10 | It might be a joke! uefa.com did not write me back. Unless they don't care about their mailbox, or they're having a holiday because of the end of WWI (in Switzerland :-p), they should answer me today! I used to wait nearly two weeks for a responce from UEFA... |
| Re: International match calendar and access list | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 11-11-2008, 16:23 | Great! They may release a communiqué until then! Then, no need to answer... They're really clever :-) |