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| Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: igrima18
Date: 26-06-2007, 19:28 | Hello guys, can someone tell me if APOEL NICOSIA of Cyprus are in 2nd qualifying round or 1st qualifying round. Because for me its not clear, they appear in both 1st and 2nd qualifying round. Even Dinamo Zagreb are listed twice. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 26-06-2007, 19:47 Edited by: dinamozagreb at: 26-06-2007, 19:48 | Apoel will start from 1st qual. round where they will be ceeded. If they win they will be ceeded in 2nd qual. round too (Dinamo Zagreb is the only other club that will be ceeded in 1st and 2nd qr). http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2007.html |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 27-06-2007, 17:31 | Ok so tomorrow uefa will draw the teams for 1st and 2nd qualifying round of CL. About 1st round, I cannot see Apoel or Dinamo eliminated, because non of the unseeded teams seems to be dangerous for those two teams. Domzale will play this tournament for the first time. Zilina is also favourtie, but she can also lose. About 2nd q round, non of the seeded teams want to draw Beitar specially, and also Lubin and Elfsborg, which plays their season these days. Beitar wants to draw Debrecen, Apoel or Dinamo. All seeded teams seems to qualify, except for teams who draw Beitar, Lubin or Elfsborg. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: drvasko98
Date: 27-06-2007, 17:48 Edited by: drvasko98 at: 27-06-2007, 17:49 | I dont put Zaglebie and Elfsborg together with Beitar  The first two are seemed a better possibility |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: ron
Date: 28-06-2007, 09:42 | There is no club from the 2nd qr to have a budjet of 30 million euros like Beitar... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-06-2007, 11:32 | Steaua also has a budget of 30 million I am sure that Rangers, Shakhtar and Besiktas also have at least a comparable budget to that of Beitar. I also think that the Israeli champions are a bit overrated. They are the best unseeded team and it would not be the ideal scenario to meet them in the second QR, but I sincerely doubt that any of the big names in the draw (the first 4-5 seeds) would fail to advance, should they face Beitar. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: blue_shark
Date: 28-06-2007, 11:47 | ron i don't wnt to argue about what team is the richest, but i have three question for you about the israeli league: 1)what was the largest fee payed for a foreign player? 2)what was the largest fee payed for a domestic transfer? 3)what has been the largest salary received by a player? i think these answers are more adequate to clarify the financial power of a league or some teams, because, for example, in romania teams announce their budgets, but depending on team needs the board may bring more money at the club. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 28-06-2007, 14:14 Edited by: saras21 at: 28-06-2007, 14:15 | I want you to understand something. Beitar and the rest of the league is a totally different world. Beitar has a budget of almost 30 miliion euros. The next team, Haifa has a budget of 10 million euros. Hapoel has like 8 million and Maccabi 7 million. The highest salary and the larest fee for a foriegn player: I think Derek Boateng, I don't know the number. The largest transfer for Israeli: I would be glad if Ron helps me with this, but I think that this move of the largest transfer of a domestic player will take place in the following days: Maccabi Petach Tikva's striker Omer Golan will move to Haifa or to Maccabi for something between 1-1.5 million dollars. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: igrima18
Date: 28-06-2007, 14:57 Edited by: igrima18 at: 28-06-2007, 14:58 | 4 700 000 Euros - Market value of Beitar according to this site. But it seems not all the players are listed. Most worth is http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/basics/2007/2007/suche/ergebnis.html http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/verein/3793/beitarjerusalem/kader/transferdaten. html 12 865 000 Euros- Market value of Apoel Nicosia. They have to add 2 000 000 Euros for Emerson Moisés Costa (Brazilian portughese player http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/8754/emerson/profil.html) and another 2 brazilian players named Fábio Júnior Pereira ( costs 500 000 euro according to transfermarkt.de - http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/spieler/37499/fabiojunior/profil.html ) and another brazilian Marcos Tavares http://www.apoelfc.com.cy/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=92&Id=101 shown 4th in these pictures. The others in the pictures are Nuno Morais of Chelsea, Macedonian goalkeeper Jane Nikolovski and Emerson Moises Costa. http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/basics/2007/2007/suche/ergebnis.html I think Apoel Nicosia will make it to 3rd qualifying round even if they meet Beitar they will beat . |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 28-06-2007, 14:59 | Well, Beitar is a better team than Apoel. Look at the squads. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Philipp
Date: 28-06-2007, 19:14 | who will be "Winner of match 2"? Dinamo Zagreb? so APOEL won't be seeded? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-06-2007, 20:24 | I think winner of match 1 is Dinamo Zagreb/their 1st round opponent, and winner of match 2 is APOEL/their first round opponent. (maybe they will also make a draw and it can be the other way around, but they are both seeded). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Philipp
Date: 28-06-2007, 20:45 | oh, i didnt see that there is also "winner of match 1" in the middle of the seeded list. just a little misunderstanding  . |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: ron
Date: 28-06-2007, 22:03 | 1/ the transfer of Boateng was 3 miliom euros from A.I.K Solna. 2. So farin thus summer Vinsent Angeima, 650,000 Us dollars. 3. 800,000 Us dollars. Pavris Fernandes |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 28-06-2007, 23:38 Edited by: Maluyaca at: 28-06-2007, 23:39 | I think my team Genk would be happy to draw Beitar in 3rd round of the CL. I think Beitar is the worst draw possible for any seeded in 2nd round but most of the seeded teams in second round (especially the ones who are not seeded in 3rd round would like them to be the opponents in 3rd round because then they would get a 50% chance of getting to CL. In second round I think that Lubin and Elfsborg are also teams to avoid for the seedings. The rest normally would not be too much of a problem but in football you never know. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 11:36 | There is one player in Genk that wants for sure to draw Beitar: their new Israeli forward Elyaniv Barda, who will be happy to visit in his country |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: executor
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:40 | What happened with the draw??!! Zaglebie was supposed to play Slavia, but now they pu Steaua as their opponents!! There were a lot of unexplained switches!! Can anyone explain this? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:42 | Probably a mistake of the site. Beitar will play FC Kopenhagen. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:43 | I just watched uefa.com live draw and saw it happen, but cannot yet explain it. Maybe the remaining opponents were to easy for Steaua |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:44 | Great draw for us..Tampere or Murata..I cant be happier Btw sorry my romanian friends...i guess ur steaua might be out of all tournaments |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Michele
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:44 | Another switch was made when FCK went from facing the best possible opponent (Hafnarfjardur/HB) to the absolutely worst (Beitar). Is there some kind of rule that prevents Israeli and Cypriot teams to face each other? And why was Steaua suddenly put in match 5 long after it had been drawn? I don't know if it's just a major fuck-up by UEFA's webmaster or if there are a number of very strange rules that makes switches possible long after the individual matches have been drawn, but, no matter what, the final? outcome of the draw could not have been worse for my team after 2 minutes in heaven with a likely trip to Iceland. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Serge
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:45 | This live dwaw was a mess!! such mistakes and switches.. especially I was happy to see Steaua avoiding Zagliebe, then at the end they get this team... it's a pitty to get in second qual the champions of Poland  ... Well Sheriff got a hard team too... I am sure it won't be easy for Turkish team > |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:45 | i must say 1 thing - rotten-, the draw was stopped when there were 4 more mathes to draw it is SHAME !!!! for uefa. they should have left steaua the last team to draw and that choose the best unseeded team and put steaua against it. i just cant believe it they took out a team and put another one instead. i think every1 shoud sew uefa if they don't do the whole draw all over again. SHAME !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:45 | Levski, you are very funny. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Philipp
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:46 | very godd draw for Salzburg |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:46 | lol whats up with all the anger...that happened to many other tems, not just steaua.. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: yveske123
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:47 | @executor Simply, probably they wanted Steaua to play against the polish.  |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:47 | You have to watch the replay of the draw !!!. I don't understand it but I'm satisfied with the Malta team or Sarajevo. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:48 | dinamo_fan_4_ever, there's no point. I'm sory for the Champions of Poland but no Europe for them this year. PS: UEFA just fucked up. Big time. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: executor
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:49 | FC Kobenhavn was initially supposed to play winners of Match 4 (HF - HB). I know I said to myself what a perfect match. Afterwards they paired Kobenhavn with Beitar. They also initially paired Sheriff Tiraspol with Bate Borisov, but then put APOEL-BATE. But I realized it had to do with the fact that APOEL needed to be in match 2. If there were mistakes of the site, it's quite strange. I don't remember any in the previous draws (and I watched a lot live). They should've been experts by now at this business. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:50 | The draw is done. First Qualifying Round Lenkoran v Dinamo Zagreb APOEL v BATE Sheriff v Rangers Hafnarfjordur v HB TNS v Ventspils Pobeda v Levadia Olimpi v Astana Zeta v Kaunas Tampere v Murata Dudelange v Zilina Linfield v Elfsborg Derry v Pyunik Marsaxlokk v Sarajevo Domzale v Tirana Second Qualifying Round Derry/Pyunik v Shakhtar Crvena Zvezda v Pobeda/Levadia Rangers v Zeta/Kaunas Debrecen v Linfield/Elfsborg Zaglebie v Steaua Genk v Marsaxlokk/Sarajevo TNS/Ventspils v Salzburg Olimpi/Astana v Rosenborg Hafnarfjardar/HB v APOEL/BATE Kobenhavn v Beitar Jerusalem Dudelange/Zilina v Slavia Tampere/Murata v Levski Domzale/Tirana v Lenkoran/Dinamo Zagreb Besiktas v Sheriff/Rangers |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:50 | wow cosmin i wish i was soo optimistic |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:50 | zaglebie - SEEDED is match 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why did they stop when there were only 4 teams left and switch opponents ???? if they wanted to change something than matches 6-11 should have been canceled and redrawn.. so that steaua(and the last 3 teams remaining) should have had 1/10 chances to play zaglebie and not 1/4, while copenhaga and rosemborg had 0 chances to play them. UEFA = THEFT . and i adress them a line from : vama-veche : hotel cismigiu. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:52 | LevskiFan, I know what I'm talking about. Steaua NEVER lost in the QR2. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:54 | cosmin, hah thats because they usually get a very easy team there...trust me Zaglebie are not much worse than Steaua..ive seen them... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Serge
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:54 | I've put replay... it's very strange... try for ur self... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: executor
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:56 | @dinamo_fan_4_ever Now that I think more about it, could it be that the manager of that program accidently clicked on Slavia's name instead of Steaua? And he realized his mistake when Slavia came out? That could explained it. But not what happend in Kobenhavn' s case. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:58 | cosmin you are right, i think steaua will KICK BUTT of zaglebie helped by referees with orders from wefa and german officials that are scared to loose UCL teams and money. and please dont bullshit me with "paranoia subjectivity". just think of switching opponents after a draw ... zaglebie is match 5 and the draw was stopped at match 11. what a bullshit. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:59 | LevskiFan, not always. Trus me and put some money on Steaua. It's an easy pay (not that they are easy, just that I'm 100% that will win). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: nislija
Date: 29-06-2007, 12:59 Edited by: nislija at: 29-06-2007, 13:00 | don't be funny..it was just a problem with the site..do you really think that uefa would change a draw procedure? hahahahha red star good draw...we are going in macedonia,our southern neighbours..and we have a loooooot of fans down there |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: executor
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:00 | @ Serge You are right. According to the replay it is like Zaglebie "awaited" Steaua  |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Serge
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:03 Edited by: Serge at: 29-06-2007, 13:05 | yes, executor, felt the same... So, the first match will be in Poland, isn't it? and can anyone help me to find some links about this team? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:04 Edited by: dinamo_fan_4_ever at: 29-06-2007, 13:06 | ))) executor .. in that case SLAVIA PRAGA WAS FORCED TO PLAY IN STEAUA'S PLACE SO ITS ALSO THEFT. what should have happened. zaglebie - steaua : match 5 matches 6-11 canceled redraw for matches 6-16. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:09 | but i am feeling so disgusted i am going for a drink. steaua - zaglebie + uefa + uefa draw + germany influence .... 3-0 )) |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:16 | I don't think watching the "draw replay" means very much. I too saw the switch from Zaglebie v Slavia to Zaglebie v Steaua but didn't actually see "how" it all happened - I only caught the tail end of the draw. But the first time I did a replay I'm sure the teams in QR1 came out in a slightly different order than the reality & then it was corrected so I'm not totally sure that what you now see for QR2 is exactly how it happened (in fact I'm sure it isn't as I saw Slavia v Zaglebie & now Slavia don't come out until late). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:22 | yup, nice replay ))))))))))). nothing suspicios there )))))) uefa (german) politics : let poland and romania play against each other ))))))))))))))))))). we will take care of the rest :P |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: steaua_bucuresti
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:24 | Good draw for Steaua...Instead of playing against a poor team is better to play against a good team and have a full stadium...Steaua is a great team and they are used to play important games |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:24 | I think webmaster made a mistake: he chose Slavia instead of Steaua. About other strange things I don't have an explanation(why was Sheriff drawn before BATE?) I think there was a very unexperienced person typing in the results of the draw into the computer. This draw is not the official draw, but just a vision on it given by somebody attending the draw and who enters it in the computer. But it is ridiculous how many mistakes were made doing just that |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:26 | hahaha guys please stop this ridiculous supicion..uefa got nothing against romania jeez why would they care who steaua gets lol Its a simple draw... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:28 | "why would they care who steaua gets" 3 romanian teams in the CL? Something like that. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:29 | @Michelle No, there is no rule like this. Israeli and Cypriot teams play each other many times before. I also would prefer to deny of playing kopenhaen and play apoel, but this was a mistake in the website. Anyway, Beitar will play 2nd leg at home!in Jerusalem, after uefa let them do so. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:30 | lool nice reason...forget i even asked |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:32 | Even the polish newspapers where confused: "12.39: Wracamy bo dziej¹ siê rzeczy dziwne. Zamiast Slavii Praga na stronie UEFA przeciwnikiem Zag³êbia jest Steaua. Slavia zagra z kimœ innym. Skandal? " |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Polak
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:41 | I do not know what happened, I missed the draw but it sounds a bit like a scandal. I am watching the UEFA Cup draw live now. The Polish Champions have a difficult match but if they win they could get a good 3rd round draw because they take their opponents coefficiant. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:44 | I don't understand why Uefa show the draw on Uefa website if they can't put a person who can handle the job. I don't think there is a conspiracy, every team normally has a delegation at the draw and they would say if there was something wrong. So UEFA put there someone who can handle the job. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:47 | We don't get to see the draw procedure for the qualifying rounds. I like Ricardo noticed that in QR1 on first run it came up APOEL & then Sheriff rather than APOEL & then BATE. So could it be something silly like - they don't have two pots - one with seeded & one unseeded but just draw the balls out of one - so if the first & second teams drawn are both seeded teams the first team is home first in tie one & the second team home first in tie two. So if the guy on the site makes a mistake & mistakes one seeded team for one unseeded one - or vice versa - the whole thing gets thrown out of synch. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 29-06-2007, 13:56 | Probably there was only 1 pot and the the order of picking was Lentoran Dinamo Zagreb Bate Sherrif Apoel Dinamo Zagreb and Apoel would be seeded and had to come in match 1 and match 2. Zagreb came out at the right time (one of the 4 first teams) but Apoel not they only came out at 5th but they had to be in position 3 or 4. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Serge
Date: 29-06-2007, 14:30 | Polak Can you tell more about Polish football? fore example didn't know that Legia or Wisla fell so much... are Zaglebie such a good team to be superior than the mentioned teams? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 15:08 | There is no doubt that the most interesting match will be between Kopenhagen and Beitar. Beitar has a big advantage by hosting 2nd leg in Jerusalem, in Teddy stadium, with the hot crowd of Beitar. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cambiasso
Date: 29-06-2007, 15:11 | Kobenhavn has the advantage that they will already be well on their way in the Danish league when they face Beitar, whereas the Israeli dont play leaguegames before mid-august. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: drvasko98
Date: 29-06-2007, 15:14 | Dear romanian friend you must to expect a terrible draw this and next 2-3 years. If draw is not so teribleq then referee would be. Nobody(from football bosses) wants your 2 or 3 teams in CL. This is a realy soul picture. You surprised in two big steps, and they was unabled to take a reaction, but now they are ready. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 15:14 | Yes, Beitar will play their first match somewhere around august in their Israeli toto cup. The league will start in the 18th of august. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-06-2007, 15:45 | "Dear romanian friend you must to expect a terrible draw this and next 2-3 years. If draw is not so teribleq then referee would be. Nobody(from football bosses) wants your 2 or 3 teams in CL. This is a realy soul picture. You surprised in two big steps, and they was unabled to take a reaction, but now they are ready". For the love of satan - get a grip! Do you really think it's that important to UEFA that Rapid Bucharest might replace Sporting Lisbon or AEK Athens in CLQR3 or that they, Dinamo or Steaua might get "direct access" to the CL at the expense of similar teams or Anderlecht etc. If you were talking about Romanian teams coming in at the expense of the likes of Manchester United & Barcelona then all these "conspiracy theories" would probably still be rubbish - but at least there would be some small logic to them. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: sb
Date: 29-06-2007, 16:08 | i am no conspiracy lover. just to be stated. anyway, i rule out a human error, like a webmaster error or something. too bad it wasn't broadcast on tv so we can all see what went wrong. if Steaua would have drawn zaglebie normally, no one would say anything. but like this it's pretty damn convenient to accuse them of something, 'unproffesional draw' - we can call it. life goes on, maybe they (uefa) will have smth to say about this switching of more than one team. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 29-06-2007, 16:29 Edited by: 5UCLGSteams at: 29-06-2007, 16:31 | @Maluyaca Valeriu Argaseala, Steaua's official at todays draw said about all this stuff :"I am a little bit suspicious that Zaglebie had already been paired with another team before Steaua was taken out of the hat"(fanatik-newspaper), so it looks like it is not "webmaster's fault" i guess. Personally I am not that suspicious but still it is interesting what is the reason that made them stop the draw and redistribute teams from the initial pairings...anyone saw this happening with his own eyes? By the way has this ever happened before anybody knows? Bert do you have any idea of how procedures are applied in case of something like this happens? Any standard procedure of switching teams in case something is wrong?...or was it only a  mistake from the already known "Uefa did it again"...? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 29-06-2007, 16:56 | @5UCLGSteams Or he saw something suspicious or he didn't. It was a room full of people, you can not convince me that none would have seen if they fixed something. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 29-06-2007, 16:56 | I don't care about this whole thing. The only thing that I do care about is Steaua beating Zaglebie; if we don't it means we have no business competing at this level. Can't wait for the home match, as I'm sure the stadium will be full and I plan on being there |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 29-06-2007, 17:14 | 5UCLGSteams, as far as I knows there are no constraints in the Cl-QR1 draw. I suppose it is a UEFA website operating error. Of course, a terrible one. For a live draw it's very, very important that there are no errors. But on the other hand it's not the first error of UEFA live draws. In the first place we need to know if the error was only at the website. Did anybody see (or spoke to a person who saw) the live draw? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 29-06-2007, 17:35 Edited by: 5UCLGSteams at: 29-06-2007, 17:39 | @Maluyaca: I was not acusing anyone , just looking for an explanation...as simple as why did they have to stop the draw and recouple teams?...i mean last year if I do well remember we also had live "radio" coverage of the draw on uefa.com...i would have loved to hear live two journalists asking themselves and not only why the draw had to stop today and maybe making it clear for all of us straight from the room full of people ...still unlucky with this one too @Bert: here is the link http://www.fanatik.ro/fotbal_extern_sectiune_4/articol_24504/lui_argaseala_i_se _pare_dubioasa_tragerea_la_sorti.html very short interview with Valeriu Argaseala, Steaua's official who was there at the draw. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 29-06-2007, 18:04 Edited by: cosmin_ultrasteaua at: 29-06-2007, 18:06 | So it's clear. There was no webmaster error but a UEFA "error". I would love to see how they will explain this one. Argaseala (Steaua's man at the draw): "Zaglebie was draw against an other team, and Steaua hadn't been drawn yet". |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 29-06-2007, 20:27 | I saw the draw on the uefa.com and I can say that before Steaua's switch, it was another switch in the middle of the table, if I'm not wrong it was about Beitar, not sure. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-06-2007, 20:43 | there were not just 2 switches...3 or 4 at least... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 29-06-2007, 20:52 | @moro Yes, Beitar was supposed to be drawn with Apoel. I really do not understand this, but non of Beitar headquaters have said anything about this. Here in Israel we always excuse our failures by accusing europeans that they hate us. Believe me, if their was something wrong their, Beitar people would have complained in the press about that |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 29-06-2007, 20:57 | I'm not accusing somebody. Just saw something really ridiculous, dont know who's fault was, but at this level... About Steaua, there's nothing to complain, if we were talking abour QR3, we would've choose Zaglebie, so... Anyway, Steaua's huge favourite, just look the coefficient, wich is directly related to the european competition. But polish teams allways scores with head at corner, Steaua will need 4 goals to advance. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: ikoon
Date: 29-06-2007, 21:08 | Who cares what it was? But I find funny, that while the top countries and teams are in vacantion and calculate the CL income for next season, we already know few mid-ranked countries that won't be representated in CL this season (in draw day). Funny! So do we realy have to make such big deal for someting that is less and less relevant each tear, like CL? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 29-06-2007, 21:20 | If you dont want, you dont have to. You dont like a station, you turn-it off. There are many teams for whom Europe is only "july and august". Not everybody's strong and rich...  Who knows, maybe even for your team it was the last draw this season... I support this team, so I'm emotionally involved somehow. I dont want to hear Becali saying (after a catastrophic defeat) that this way his team will concentrate all efforts on the ch-ship, you know, same old song for losers. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: ikoon
Date: 29-06-2007, 21:41 | I dont want to hear Becali saying (after a catastrophic defeat) ... Be serious! If you want to have a good season, you don't have to complain about drawing teams from countries 10-20, no matter the round. They could have choosen any team they belive they can beat Steaua from that unseede pot and i see nothing wrong. This doesn't affect Steaua in any way, just limit the possibility of upsets in CLQR3, giving the teams from top 5-6 countries the oxigen they are entitled to by birth. But the formats do the same thing so, nothing new. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 29-06-2007, 21:54 | I also think Steaua's huge favourite; I remember I was afraid last year against Maribor, they were weak. But this time I'll be really nervous at this game. Imagine Steaua out and then a bad draw in UCR1... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: ikoon
Date: 29-06-2007, 22:00 | I think it was Gorica. If we are eliminated until CLGS, being seeded in both rounds, we have no excuse. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 29-06-2007, 22:07 | Partially true. But dont forget all our opponents in Uefa ranking starts with teams directly in CLGS or CLQ3, big advantage. So we cant afford a wrong step. I dont know Zaglebie, but I have this ideea that romanian teams arent very comfortable with polish, am I wrong? - if you have access to some old results maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 30-06-2007, 01:26 | As a Steaua fan, I have to say that the draw was really unlucky. However if Steaua pretends to be CL level, this should not be a problem, as much tougher teams will follow. However, we do know now the teams that could potentially benefit of their opponents position in Q3: Zaglebie (I really hope this does not happen )Zeta or Kaunas (I really think there is no chance of this happening) Derry or Pyunik (Derry could be the Kobenhavn of this year, even though I would never bet on that) Sheriff (team from Moldova, so I would really hope their luck changes, but realisticly, they will be knocked out at the norrowest of margins, the advantage is that they play home last) Tampere (but as I understood on this forum Levski is very strong) |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 30-06-2007, 01:31 | By the way I would really look forward to sheriff - spartak match |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 30-06-2007, 08:22 | Until now, Levski Sofia's strong only on this forum, thanks to his fans. On the field there's maybe another story. When you're supporting a team, you see players as "gods" - take a look at Saras opinions about Isr teams... . I think Levski's not at all out of danger with Finland's champion. Even if this will get LevskiFan out of his minds  |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: antonio62tr
Date: 30-06-2007, 09:15 | Hey guys, you are the people say Steau favourite at CL group of Real Madrid,Lyon and DKiev...What happened to you and lost your confidence??...What makes you to think about losing??...funny |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: walter-wade
Date: 30-06-2007, 09:53 | Good draw for Besiktas, i think Turkish side will proceed to 3th round with 2 wins both on the road and at home.. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: matteo
Date: 30-06-2007, 09:58 | for the love of God, is Steaua not Steau !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 10:45 Edited by: saras21 at: 30-06-2007, 10:46 | @moro Sometimes maybe I am over reacting about my teams. I dont think we are strong, but we are also not weak as we were when joining uefa 15 years ago. About Steaua, I guess they will make it to the next round, but I dont know Zaglebie. If any polish member here can tell us something about them it would be great. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: drvasko98
Date: 30-06-2007, 11:37 Edited by: drvasko98 at: 30-06-2007, 11:43 | After the yesterday draw there is a two dream possibility for seeded QR3 teams - winner between Apoel*BATE Borisov/Havnfordur* and probably Debrecen/Elfsborg. Another potentialy good is Zilina, they have some chances agg Slavia, and may be Domzale/Dinamo. The last I say, cause I dont know what is the present situation in Dinamo, only for their bad performance in the last few years. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 30-06-2007, 12:18 | antonio62tr, who is scared? I said that Steaua will win. I'm sure of it. What we have a problem is the way the draw was made. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 30-06-2007, 12:32 | Antonio, who said Steaua was favourite last year in that group??? I am afraid of Zaglebie, even if they have second chance, I like more when my teams play against sure-losers, and now it's not the case... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 30-06-2007, 12:40 | @badgerboy "Do you really think it's that important to UEFA that Rapid Bucharest might replace Sporting Lisbon or AEK Athens in CLQR3 or that they, Dinamo or Steaua might get "direct access" to the CL at the expense of similar teams or Anderlecht etc." maybe not sporting but surely Werder/schalke or AZ/Ajax |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 30-06-2007, 12:49 Edited by: dinamo_fan_4_ever at: 30-06-2007, 12:56 | drvasko..was that a joke ?  @antonio62tr steaua was one of the favorites after the 1st match against kyiev last year. sadly they had few experince and were a little bit afraid of lyon and real. i don't think the attitude will be total opposite this year if they reach the group stage but in 2-3 years of UCL groups (if the keep on the right track) i bet steaua will qualify in the last 16. if steaua reaches the QF of the UC this year they are a serious candidate for pot2 UCL next one. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 13:05 | @dinamo_fan_4_ever I agree with you that experience is important, but still, I don't see Steaua in top 16 in the 2-3 following years. Look at Turkish and Greek teams, that cannot manage to qualify to the last sixteen. If I were a Steaua fan, I would expect my managment to sign world level players if they can afford it. What is the financial situation of Steaua? Are they able to pay money like Fenerbache, for example, pays? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 30-06-2007, 13:13 Edited by: moro at: 30-06-2007, 13:14 | Saras, take a look at the 2009 and 2010 team ranking - Steaua will be/is in top 18, wich will be enough to put them in pot 2. They just have to score arround 10-12 points this year. But need to beat Zaglebie first. And money doesnt count as much as you think. Wether you have Steaua's budget or Shakhtar's one, you can see the results are not different. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 13:16 | @moro Many things can change in your team during these years. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: drvasko98
Date: 30-06-2007, 13:30 | To Dinamo_fan I spoke for Dinamo Zagreb of course. They will play aggainst Domzale/Tirana winner |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 30-06-2007, 14:19 | @Dinamo_fan "maybe not sporting but surely Werder/schalke or AZ/Ajax" But I can't see Germany falling below 6th place - especially with Bayern gobbling up UEFA Cup points - so Germany will keep it's three CL teams. And the worst case for Holland is falling to 9th which would just mean PSV (probably) playing a qualifying round as a big favourite & AZ/Ajax playing two. In the top eight countries there is always room for one country outside the traditional powerhouses - for eight of the last ten seasons this has been Greece (the other years it was Turkey & the Czech Republic). Romania will now "replace" Greece for at least four or five seasons. The top six - which is obviously key to CL places - is still open to some question. But Greece spent two seasons in that position recently & I don't recall any seismic rumblings in UEFA or the wider footballing world. Perhaps the Greeks themselves were as excited as the Romanians are now but some would say fortunately - most of the time I'm not one of those  - a "funny alphabet" helped spare the wider world most of that excitement. It's also likely that Portugal or Netherlands (probably the former)will fall out of the top eight - to be replaced by Russia - at least next season if not this. But that also is nothing new - Portugal having been in the same position from 1999 to 2002 when Russia & then Turkey filled a top eight place for a couple of seasons in a row. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 30-06-2007, 14:41 | Anyway back to this year's QR2 & possible "surprises". The one that stands out for me - & I'm surprised noone else has mentioned yet: Genk v Sarajevo Surely Genk must be a more vulnerable seed than those teams that play CL qualifiers year in - year out & Bosnia is one of those "minnow countries" with a pretty strong footballing history. There's nearly always one "surprise team" in QR3 & for me Sarajevo is the most likely. Other interesting matches: Debrecen v Elfsborg. The Champions of two countries whose football is struggling in recent times. Flip a coin as to the winner. Zaglebie v Steaua. I don't see a shock here but I'm gutted that defeat will see the Polish Champions out of Europe all together. A prime example of why all CL qualifying losers should get a second chance in the UEFA Cup. Astana v Rosenborg. Rosenborg will probably be way too strong - I don't really know their current level. But I keep an eye on the Kazakh teams as I feel they are far too low in the rankings. A Kazakh team only lost to Artmedia on penalties (or maybe it was away goals after extra time) in QR1 the year they made the group stage & performed with credit. Hafnarfjardar/HB v APOEL/BATE - Really a question here as to the strength of BATE. A Cypriot team lost in QR1 last year. APOEL seem to be buying decent players for the Cypriot league (Nuno Morais from Chelsea for example) but if they are vulnerable then I suspect BATE are more likely to take advantage than either of their likely opponents in QR2. Then again - as I said I have no real clue to the strength (or not) of the team from Belarus. Kobenhavn v Beitar Jerusalem - the tie of the round. A very "unlucky" draw for both clubs. I'd probably marginally favour Kobenhavn after their experiences last year but no foregone conclusion. Indeed no result would count as a "surprise" to me. Zilina v Slavia - Slavia favourites but another tie where progress for the "underdog" would not constitute a big shock. Domzale v Dinamo Zagreb - Zagreb might well coast through but I put Domzale in the BATE category (only I have no doubt Domzale are better than BATE - but then I have little doubt Dinamo are better than APOEL...). So Domzale are a bit of an unknown - I have no clue to their strength. But Slovenian teams have done OK before & Dinamo are no European powerhouse these days. I'd expect the other "favourites" to progress as long as they have the right attitude. As long as the players don't think like some of their fans - that the job is already done - they should be fine... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 30-06-2007, 15:56 Edited by: dinamozagreb at: 30-06-2007, 16:02 | @badg Dinamo is coming back Domzale lost their 3 best scorers in last few weeks: Cimirotic (back to Korea), Rakovic (Ljuubljana), Djuric (Gorica)...and they brought ex Dinamo forward player Zahora on loan ...if their squad was the same it would be 80-20 for Dinamo but now it is 99-1Dinamo won't sell best players in spite of massive offers. Eduardo - scored about 50 golas overall last season; scored against England...first choise forward for Croatia Modric - starting 11 in nat. team...Bayern wanted him but bought Sosa..dumb trees Corluka...starting 11 in nat.team...right back..many offers Those three are the backbone of Dinamo. Pitty that Robert Kovac form Juventus didn't come. With him we would be good to go for Cham. league. But in the back we have very good young player Schildenfeld. Other defender is Drpic who is problematic just like left back (Cale or Carlos). Dinamo fans are angry that coach Ivankovic (former Iran manager) playes with 2 defensiv midfielders. Vukojevic is weak and Pokrivac is new in team. Angry because we have very good attacking players. Chago - player form Cameroon is our best defensiv midfielder but didn't play last season, he was injured; apparently he is OK wich is great Etto - player from Brazil was also injured but he is also Ok now; he played great againt Arsenal in LOndon Sokota - forward back form Porto...we bought very good Ivory Coast player Guela...Brazilian Sammir is very good Fans choice: Loncaric- Corluka,Drpic,Schifo,Carlos - Chago - Etto, Modric, Sammir - Eduardo, Sokota Probable lineup: Loncaric- Corluka,Drpic,Schifo,Carlos - Vukojevic, Pokrivac - Modric, Sammir (Etto), Eduardo - Sokota Problem is that in second lineup there is no place for Sammir/Etto, Guela...and we hate playing with only one forward...last season Auxerre beat us easily because we had many limited players...the situation is much better now but the question is if limited players like Drpic, Vukojevic, Carlos will cost us dearly again. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: blue_shark
Date: 30-06-2007, 16:01 | saras in romania it's not just about the money. the club owners are very rich, but some of them are 'cheap'. but first we have to wonder ourselves what does a great player mean, so would be talking about him here. a great player will not accept to play in eastern europe for now. the greatest players that played in turkey or greece were players facing their career final or being on a performance downhill: hagi, rivaldo, roberto carlos. in romania, most people think that it's more wise to buy 2 good players with 1M, than to buy a star for 3M. plus there are a lot of good youth centers. for example even cfr or poli timisoara which have a lot of foreign players still send several players to the national teams and even include them in the first team, despite being under 18 years old. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 17:51 Edited by: saras21 at: 30-06-2007, 17:52 | About youth, a youth player from Romania will play with Beitar next year, probably in their youth team. His name is Chtistian Musterlu I think. 17.5 years old. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Dragonite
Date: 30-06-2007, 18:14 | After looking at the teams’ pairings, I think the teams that will progress to the 3rd qualifying round will be: Shakhtar Donetsk Red Star Glasgow Rangers Debrecen Steaua Bucharest Genk FC Salzburg Rosenborg APOEL FC Copenhagen Slavia Prague Levski Dinamo Zagreb Besiktas |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 30-06-2007, 18:23 | Dragonite. I hope you're wrong somewhere along the line. Totally seeded winners would be very dull! Dinamozagreb - thanks for the info. This sort of information is one of the reasons I like this forum so much. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 30-06-2007, 20:39 | @ saras "Look at Turkish and Greek teams, that cannot manage to qualify to the last sixteen. If I were a Steaua fan, I would expect my managment to sign world level players if they can afford it. What is the financial situation of Steaua? Are they able to pay money like Fenerbache, for example, pays?" 1. which greek or turkish team was in pot B of UCL ?. steaua needs to catch the next european spring and if they reach the UC QF(by example) they can catch the UCL pot B next year. there are lots of if's but no SF in there. 2.romania doaes great with little money while turkey and greece do worse with more money.. tahts the fact. and another fact is that romanian players can't focus when there are lots of money involved. if you start paying the double/ triple they wont play nothing at'all. so yes i hope money will come but little by little.. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 20:53 | @dinamo_fan_4_ever Thanks for the info. Do anyone here know Mustelu who will sign with Beitar? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: salina
Date: 30-06-2007, 21:00 Edited by: salina at: 30-06-2007, 21:02 | @dinamo_fan_4_ever Well, Panathinaikos was in Pot B, at least in 2003 (I haven?t looked up the whole history of seeding in Bert?s archive). http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/history/seedcl2003.html |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 30-06-2007, 21:05 | Never heard of Mustelu. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Dragonite
Date: 30-06-2007, 21:17 | Hey Badgerboy, I just limited to copy and paste my opinion from the uefa.com forum. The Community Manager over there asked this: “The 2007/08 UEFA Champions League gets under way from 12.00CET today with the draw for the first and second qualifying rounds. Which clubs (seeded or unseeded) will progress to the third qualifying round? Best regards, uefa.com Forum Team” Since I saw you were talking about that here, I decided to also post here the teams I think will get through. Now that you warned me that all those 14 teams are seeded… well, they still seem the favourites to get through. I expect the 3rd qualifying round to be more unpredictable and depending of the draw most of the 16 games can be really interesting. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 30-06-2007, 21:19 | I don't know any player with that name and I like to think that I'm pretty up-to-date when it comes to promising young players. Do you know form what team this Cristian Mustelu came from? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 30-06-2007, 22:32 | I googlised him... nothing. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 30-06-2007, 22:35 | Anyway, he will play for the youth team. Beitar is close to sign Andreas Mendosa of Peru. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 30-06-2007, 23:23 | @salina thx for the info... double checked.. it was: UTD PANATHINAIKOS RANGERS VFB and panathinaikos was one of the favorites ... i dont see why STEAUA wouldnt be a favorite in same situation .. potB |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 01-07-2007, 01:10 | "and panathinaikos was one of the favorites ... i dont see why STEAUA wouldnt be a favorite in same situation .. potB" But Dinamo you forgot the end of the story. Actually I checked & I find that Panathinaikos were in Pot B for three seasons in a row from 2003-04 to 2005-06. Whether that made them "one of the favourites" to progress I can't recall. But I do know I never saw them in the last 16. The middle season they went quite close - missing out only narrowly to Arsenal & PSV - in PSV's "breakthrough season" - the year they made the semis having been perennial group stage departees every year themselves before that. The other two years Pana didn't do any better than Steaua last year - 4 points - once to the UEFA Cup & once lights out. Chances are if you're in Pot B & you're not that great it wont help you that much. Only rarely are teams blessed with as fortunate a draw as say Lille were this year. I'm not saying for a minute here that Steaua 2008-09 vintage wont be an excellent side - noone even seems to know what to expect in 2007-08 yet. But they will have to be to make progress - whatever pot they wind up in. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 01-07-2007, 11:22 | Please, Mr. Badgerboy, Steaua made 5 points last year... a "huuuge" difference |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 01-07-2007, 11:27 | Another name that we here about Beitar: Bosko Balaban. And the next surprise: Maccabi Tel Aviv wants Daniel Niculae. I really do not understand the stupid journalist who wrote it  |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cosmin_ultrasteaua
Date: 01-07-2007, 11:59 Edited by: cosmin_ultrasteaua at: 01-07-2007, 12:00 | saras21, stupid press is everywhere. In Romania some idiot said that we want Abbiati and he's very close to singing with us. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 01-07-2007, 12:04 | don't forget about Vieri |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 01-07-2007, 13:32 | @ dinamo_fan_4_ever Galatasaray was in Pot B some few years ago |
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| Author: Philipp
Date: 01-07-2007, 17:35 | about Dinamo Zagreb... they played yesterday a club friendly against Rapid Vienna (1:1) and after the match there were big rumours between the fans, 150 Dinamo-fans attacked the police. in austrian media people who visited the match said, that it was like war, there were 100 policemen and the situation escalated. the austrian newspaper "Standard" writes on his homepage, that croatian media say, that there probably will be sanctions from the UEFA against Dinamo. a memmber of the croatian FA said, that the UEFA has to react and its not important, that the match was just a friendly. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 01-07-2007, 23:01 | If I could choose, I would like to see Domzale - Tirana & APOEL - BATE & Derry - Pyunik. About 2nd Round: Copenhagen - Beitar = delicious cake |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: blue_shark
Date: 02-07-2007, 07:33 | philipp the croatian FA can't do anything about it because it was an international friendly, but you are right, uefa should get involved. several years ago a player almost beat up a referee during a friendly and the romanian FA suspended him for 3 games. still i have a problem understanding why clubs have to pay for their fans stupid behavior. i think that the organizing club should get punished. this being a friendly, i don't see what the decision could be. as i understood the game took place in austria, so i guess most of the croatian fans were living there and weren't part of the usual dinamo supporters. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 02-07-2007, 09:16 | I will not be in Israel in the day of the match. I am gonna be in Oslo to visit our family. Oslo is 600 km from copenhagen. And you know what ironic? 3 years ago our family lived in copenhagen |
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| Author: maranton
Date: 02-07-2007, 13:20 Edited by: maranton at: 02-07-2007, 13:24 | Regarding Panathinaikos and champions league: 2001: Panathinaikos finished 2nd in group ahead of Juventus and Hamburg and played in the 2nd group stage (that was the format of CL then). 2002: Panathinaikos again finished 2nd in group ahead of Mallorka ans Schalke and played in the 2nd group stage. In the 2nd group stage he managed to qualify to the quarter-finals after finishing 2nd in the group behind Real Madrid and ahead of Porto and Sparta Prague. In the Quarter final they played against Barcelona. Panathinaikos won 1-0 at home and lost 1-3 away despite good performance. 2003: Panathinaikos played in Uefa where they moved up to the Quarter finals where he lost from Jose Mourinho's Porto. 2004: Panathinaikos finished 3rd in the CL group and moved to Uefa where they lost to Auxere. 2005: Panathinaikos again finished 3rd in CL group and moved to Uefa where they lost to Sevilla. 2006: The worst performance of Panathinaikos in Champions League since for the FIRST time they finished 4th in the group. 2007: Panathinaikos finished 1st in the Uefa group stage but lost to Lans in the next round. Until 2005 Panathinaikos was at top 20 (once top 16) in the team ranking. Check the relevant databases. |
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| Author: moro
Date: 02-07-2007, 13:35 | Very good performance for Pana. i'm sure they will soon be back at the best level. And I'm sure medium teams will soon (2-3 years) almost equalise teams like Barça, Real and Chelsea, you'll see. |
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| Author: neill
Date: 02-07-2007, 13:51 | I'm surprised no-one has picked up on the potential match up between Rangers and Kaunas in QR2. Kaunas are 'sponsored' by Heart of Midlothian owner Vladimir Romanov and many Kaunas players are on loan at Hearts. Needless to say, there has been some debate among Hearts supporters as to who they want to win this tie. Rangers to benefit Scottish football or Kaunas to benefit the Romanov pyramid? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 02-07-2007, 17:40 | Maranton Apologies if you thought I was trying to knock Panathinaikos. My point really was to illustrate that being a Pot B team doesn't guarantee you "right of passage" to the last 16 - as a few people seem to believe. And in those three consecutive seasons Pana were in Pot B & indeed didn't make the last 16 - so good illustration. Giuseppe  I can't count - either that or my memory is going... |
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| Author: DandeerHUN
Date: 02-07-2007, 21:09 | Last year the Macedonian champions made us (Debrecen) a huge surprise. I hope Elfsborg won't be such a hard opponent. But we start at home, again.. The thing that makes me disappointed is that some years ago there was usually no answer in the 2nd round (the Hungarian champions went through). Today I would be happy if Debrecen went through to the next round, fall out, and than do sg not disappointing at the UEFA Cup... But I still believe in Hungarian club football. Once we won the UEFA Cup (Ferencváros). Now I'd like to see a Hungarian club at the group stage (of the UEFA Cup, of course. The is no reality for the CL). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: DandeerHUN
Date: 02-07-2007, 21:10 | I won't talk about the past any more, I swear it. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 03-07-2007, 10:52 | badgerboy - Don't worry mate, it happens to the best of us One thing I've learned is that you have to be extra careful with what you say around here; some people can get very touchy about things either because of small errors that can be made or because of their limited English. Let's faces it, there some nuances that not everybody gets. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 03-07-2007, 14:28 | "Let's faces it, there some nuances that not everybody gets". My English is reasonable & even I get confused sometimes - and that's with the other "native English speakers" let alone everybody else... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 03-07-2007, 19:00 Edited by: saras21 at: 03-07-2007, 19:01 | First practice match to Beitar: a win 1-0 against Anorthosis. Other practice matches? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 04-07-2007, 15:17 | Can someone please give me some info about Bosko Balaban, who might sign with Beitar? Is he a scorer or a second striker? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: modano
Date: 04-07-2007, 16:27 Edited by: modano at: 04-07-2007, 16:27 | @ Saras: rather a lazy bum |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: peter_nyc
Date: 04-07-2007, 17:16 Edited by: peter_nyc at: 04-07-2007, 17:28 | bad draw for Steaua . It could be better. "Huge favorite"??? Keep your feet on the ground , I hope all Steaua players, coach, and fans will realize that a lot of work must be done to advance. We talking about champion of Poland, not a sorry ass team. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: peter_nyc
Date: 04-07-2007, 17:26 | Regarding Beitar, yeah I have seen them playing , they look good but still have to demonstrate at higher lever. Better for them to do it this year. They really have 30 mil budget? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: blue_shark
Date: 04-07-2007, 17:41 | peter_nyc it's time for romanian clubs like steaua, dinamo and even rapid to stop considering themselves as poor teams. if as a coach you tell your players that they can win a game against such a team, they will feel it's more hope than a granted thing and they will be loose their trust. i know it sounds too psychological, but it's true. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 04-07-2007, 21:26 | Beitar is still missing 5-6 players: 3 foreings, Idan Tal from Bolton Wanderers who will join them probably next week, injuerd players like Barak Itzhaki and Shimon Gershon. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: moro
Date: 05-07-2007, 17:56 | peter_n Where's Poland in Uefa's ranking? Where's Zaglebie? Now take a look at Steaua's position. Do you understand now what "huge" means? You could also spell the names of teams thet won against Steaua in two years. I'll help you: Lyon, Real, Sevilla, Middlesboro by accident (brain damage on half time on romanian side). Now you may put here ..... the names of teams Zaglebie played. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 05-07-2007, 18:41 | And Rosenborg, Heerenveen, Dinamo, Rapid, CFR Cluj, Otelul, Gloria, Vaslui, ... |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 05-07-2007, 21:25 Edited by: gukfva at: 05-07-2007, 21:32 | I have lived in Poland since 2003 year, so I know Zaglebie team. They had young and attractive player - Piszczek (on loan from Hertha Berlin, now he is back in Hertha). There is also young midfielder of Polish national team - Lobodzinski and good defender Manuel Arboleda... but in summary, Zaglebie is one of the weakest Polish champion (they won league mainly in spite of Wisla & Legia crisis) and Steaua would advance to QR3 in easy way. (In 2006-07 Zaglebie drew twice with Dinamo Minsk in UEFA Cup QR1) STEAUA 80% - 20% ZAGLEBIE and what do you think about: Copenhagen - Beitar Debrecen - Elfsborg Zilina - Slavia ? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Serge
Date: 05-07-2007, 21:47 Edited by: Serge at: 05-07-2007, 21:49 | @gukfva, thx for info, but what about the new players of Zaglebie? and btw, what do you think about Golanski, there is info about him close to signing with Steaua... Copenhagen - Beitar - a very interesting tie, Copenhagen has proved especially last season that thy can play well against anybody, Beitar is a team that has good conditions to become a good European team and is struggling for affirmation. Anything can happen, very balanced tie, but if I ahve to choose, I would choose Copenhagen, I think that experience is very important, and Copenhagen has a lot. Debrecen - Elfsborg - a chance for Hungarians to reabilitate, also a balanced tie, I don't know much about these teams, but tradition imposes Hungarians to advance. Zilina - Slavia - I remember Zilina played 3 years ago I think against Dinamo Bucharest, and did this very well.. I don't know what has Zilina done since then, but Slavia is for sure the favourite, if Zilina gets a lucky day in first game they can make a surprise, although I doubt... interesting to see Czech vs Slovak games, btw :p |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: honesty
Date: 05-07-2007, 22:50 | @bert Herenven - Steaua was already qualified, the match wasn`t a priority for the us. Rosenborg - i think the match was something like Ajax- Copenhaga last year. To many oportunites for Steaua and Rosenborg scored at every chanse they had. After this Steaua humiliated Valerenga. Moro probably forgot about this game. The rest of the teams defeated Steaua in championship, the disscusion was about games in Europe. Steaua is very close to pot B, very few teams from est achived that, maybe that`s why all say that Steaua is a big favorite. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 05-07-2007, 23:52 Edited by: gukfva at: 05-07-2007, 23:54 | ZAGLEBIE LUBIN signed with 30-year-old striker Piotr Wlodarczyk (former: Legia Warsaw). He could be dangerous, he scored two goals against Shakhtar Donetsk in CL QR3 last season. Wlodarczyk played 23 times and scored 10 goals in Legia (only in season 2006/07). In my opinion he is an average player. You should not be worry about him. Zaglebie also signed with midfielder Michal Golinski from Groclin. Nobody special, but coach Michniewicz likes him from their work in Lech Poznan in 2004. They bought some players from South America (Andre Nunes, Tiago Gomes), but it is unknown how they could play. Up to now the best transfers in Poland have been made by Legia Warsaw and maybe GKS Belchatow, surely not by Zaglebie. Golanski? I remember him from LKS Lodz, when he was a captain of 2nd division team. He is an ambitious defender with good free-kick shots and offensive inclinations. He played some matches in national team, but as I know not only Steaua is interested in him (Golanski said that Steaua is a great club, but he would like to play in Lazio more willingly). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cambiasso
Date: 06-07-2007, 12:49 | Copenhagen are rumoured to be presenting Morten Nordstrand (attacker, 18 goals this season) and Rasmus Wurtz (central midfielder) as new players later today. Both are key players in the Danish superliga and have had appearances in the national team. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cambiasso
Date: 06-07-2007, 14:15 | The rumours were true. Morten Nordstrand (24 years old, attacker, 19 goals and 14 assists in his first season in the Danish Superliga) and Rasmus Wurtz (23 years old, midfielder, 7 appearances in the national team and 29 in the national youth team) have both signed 5-year contracts with Copenhagen. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: reyu
Date: 06-07-2007, 14:25 | looks like Pawel Golanski from Korona Kielce and Ruben Pulido from Getafe are waited on Bucharest to sign with Steaua |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 06-07-2007, 17:39 | Whoever know Legia probably heard that Lukas Sorama signed with Maccabi Haifa. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 06-07-2007, 23:39 | Lukasz SURMA, midfielder, captain of Legia signed with Maccabi Haifa. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 07-07-2007, 10:40 | Thanks for correcting me |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: maranton
Date: 08-07-2007, 22:56 | In a "champions league" friendly game on Saturday morning in Bulgaria: Levski Sofia - Apoel Nicosia 1-0. On Monday Apoel will play against Slavia Sofia on their last testing game before the two games against Bate Borisov in champions league QR1. On the other hand Bate alreay played 15 league games, so guess how will be best prepared for the game. The only advantage for Apoel is the very hot summer of Nicosia (could be 30 degrees Celcius that night plus humidity). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: cambiasso
Date: 09-07-2007, 09:42 | After signing Morten Nordstrand on Friday, Kobenhavn has shipped off Swede attacker Frederik Berglund to Elfsborg, who will be counting on his pace and goals in the CL qualifying rounds. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 09-07-2007, 11:20 | @maranton Don't put weather as an advantage. When Israeli teams meet Scandinavian teams we always say that they will fall because of our summer (which is hotter than Cypres'). However, Malmo and Rosenborg managed to pass Haifa although the temprature was close to 40 degrees. -Beitar signed chilian defender Christian Alvarez. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 10-07-2007, 15:48 | I have some polish friends, fans of Legia and I really hope that UEFA will not punish too much Legia, because of few idiots/ultras. They punish too much Feyenoord last year, and maybe this time will be the same We (Levski FC) have a good chance versus FC Tampere or Murata, but I hope our players will play they best,.... otherwise we will suffer. Last week, I was in Romania (first time) for two days (Sinaia and Bucharest) and I can share my opinion, that romanian people is very nice and friendly. Bucharest is great, modern place, but I am in love to Sinaia now. This place is so pretty. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 12-07-2007, 23:07 | I just got home from Dinamo Zagreb - Wolfsburg friendly match. Dinamo won 2:1 (winning goal in 91. minute) and missed three must-score chances. Without Eduardo da Silva Dinamo struggle to score goals, it's obvious. But, the rest of the team looks very good and confident. Let's hope for the luck in the CL QR3 draw! |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 13-07-2007, 03:25 | levski.bg...u r kiding right Levski stuggling against Tampere...even if our players play with 40% of what they are capable, we shouldnt have any trouble. U keep on surprising me with ur statements man...soon u might be saying that chances of San Marino to beat Bulgaria are 50:50 Come on get serious |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 13-07-2007, 10:03 | Well, some monts ago, we score nothing against Albania. Of course, albanian football is maybe stronger than football in San Marino, but my point is to take all the teams very serious, because all the teams (including our team) want the place "under the sun". Finland national team look strong at this moment. Most probably we will face their champions. And their championship is already begin. Even with big lost from MyPa, they will be 100% fit for the game. We play not so good in august (remember our play last year vs Sioni). We suffer many times, playing with teams from Scandinavia. Even if we are capable to beat them 5:0 and even if we beat them, that not mean we cant respect their team. I think we must. If you love Levski (like am sure you do) how do you feel, reading some supremacy statements from....well Barcelona fan or squad member for example. Remember what big people (names) do last UCLGS season ? They beat us, but they show much respect. That is the point. If you love to act like "Mr Big Deal" Stoichkov, be my guest. Real big names, do the other way. Even Jose Mourinho, who is not the perfect example for "respect the other team guy", says a kind word for our game. p.s. Btw, are you Radio Werewolf ? You sound like him. You mention that you know very good polish champions, and I know this guy lived in Poland for some years. Even if we are capable to beat anyone in this world (in we are not), that not mean we will beat all the teams, all the time. Respect the others (even weaker teams on book) and they will respect you. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 13-07-2007, 10:54 Edited by: saras21 at: 13-07-2007, 10:54 | A question for Bulgarian people: Beitar's three final options for the striker spot are Bosko Balaban, Andreas Mendosa and Todor Kolev from Slavia Sofia. What can you tell me about him? is he a second striker or a central forward? a true scorer? |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 13-07-2007, 11:20 Edited by: levski.bg at: 13-07-2007, 11:27 | Todor Kolev is central forward. 28 years old. He score alot of goals in Slavia Sofia this season, He was very good in Spartak Pleven some years ago, playing on loan from Levski. After that, he was 4 years Levski player. I think Kolev period in Levski was not so good. Big espectations ruin his game. Wihtout pressure of "win at any price" he play much much better. If there is pressure, he struggle, many times. He got good finishing skills + good heading and positioning. One on one vs defender is his weakest side I think. There is a interest for him from Twente (Holland), Aris (Cyprus), Larisa (Greece) and Erzgebirge Aue (Germany). |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 13-07-2007, 12:16 | Thanks levski.bg I don't think that he is the player that beitar needs. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 13-07-2007, 14:25 | O yes. He can be your goalscorer + reasonable price sounds like e optimist future and good deal. But from Beitar's very big ambition view, I think Bosko Balaban is the bigger name (than Kolev), so I think Beitar will not take Todor, most probably. |
| Re: Champions League 2007/2008 draw friday | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 13-07-2007, 15:26 | I think that balaban is a second striker. Beitar has 2-3 players in his position. Mendosa seems to be the right player for Beitar. |