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| FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 01-05-2007, 21:44 Edited by: gukfva at: 01-05-2007, 22:18 | In Bert Kassies' UC seeding there is missing one team at a time in each three regions. My questions: 1. Does UEFA award one Fair Play spot at a time to each region (Northern, Central-East, Southern)? 2. I have found in UEFA's article this sentence: {i>'...there is still some time to go before the 30 April cut-off...'{/i>. Where can I find final UEFA Fair Play Ranking 2006-07? 3. When will the 'UC-FP spots DRAW' take place? |
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| Author: Floridian
Date: 01-05-2007, 22:22 Edited by: Floridian at: 01-05-2007, 22:29 | 2006-07 Fair Play rankings should have been finalized by UEFA yesterday (April 30th was a cut-off date). Top country gets direct additional spot in UC QR1 which goes to the top team in the national Fair Play rankings. Other two spots are drawn from the countries in the top part of the UEFA Fair Play rankings (from second place down to the last team with FP coefficient over 8.0). Now we have to wait until FP rankings are published by UEFA, and then for the draw for two additional spots (last year draw was on June 4th). |
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| Author: gukfva
Date: 01-05-2007, 22:28 Edited by: gukfva at: 01-05-2007, 22:32 | How does it be counted up Fair Play coefficients of particular federations? Could we do it here in forum? |
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| Author: Floridian
Date: 01-05-2007, 22:39 | It is practically impossible to calculate as it includes the Fair Play performance in all international competitions at club and national level, including youth and woman's teams. There is some data on how Fair Play score is calculated for a given game, but stats required to recalculate the FP coeff yourself are not available in most cases. |
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| Author: gukfva
Date: 01-05-2007, 22:51 Edited by: gukfva at: 01-05-2007, 22:53 | ...and what if there will be 3 FP teams from the same region? Will extra 2 teams from this region (which are expected to play just in QR2) play in QR1 then? And will one team at a time from other 2 regions qualify automatically to QR2? |
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| Author: Floridian
Date: 01-05-2007, 23:35 | Region split in the Bert's UC qualification page is not the official one. Besides that, UEFA can always move one team to another region - last year Belgian team (Roselaere)was playing in the South-Mediterranean region in UC QR1, but later Belgium teams were in the Nothern region. |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 02-05-2007, 00:09 | To the point. I really don't understand why UEFA gives one definite spot to 'fairest' country but two others are determined by draw. I think Fair Play competition is not fair at all. |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 02-05-2007, 08:56 | @gukva 1) "In Bert Kassies' UC seeding there is missing one team at a time in each three regions". That's just indicative. Above each region the number of teams is written with a question mark. The final number of teams depends e.g. on the distribution of the Fair Play spots. Until now, almost each year UEFA has some surprises in the exceptions used to get an even number of teams in each region. 2) "...there is still some time to go before the 30 April cut-off..." from this uefa.com article. I suppose this has to be wrong. The cut-off date is May 31, as is clearly written in the regulations of the UEFA Cup. See also UEFA Fair Play Competition. |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 02-05-2007, 09:09 | Very funny to see north grand-4 countries in pr. rankinking: 1 Sweden 8.258 57 2 Norway 8.193 46 3 Denmark 8.133 61 4 Finland 8.132 42 |
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| Author: executor
Date: 02-05-2007, 09:57 | @Kaiser Spend another year or two on this forum and you'll find a big surprise if you DON'T see those countries up there  |
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| Author: abzpablo
Date: 02-05-2007, 14:23 | This is just a waste of precious UEFA Cup slots. |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 02-05-2007, 14:27 Edited by: Kaiser at: 02-05-2007, 14:28 | ... |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 02-05-2007, 14:32 | "This is just a waste of precious UEFA Cup slots". Not really a waste since these clubs don't replace anyone else but I'd still abolish them. Spots to go to three teams with highest average goals per game in their domestic season instead. Some means to be found to take into account the fact that some leagues have a lot of very bad teams & scoring goals against them are easy (maybe similar to how UEFA does the Golden Boot). Or simply set a "minimum average" and every league above it enters their highest scoring team in the hat. |
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| Author: Francisco
Date: 03-05-2007, 10:49 | You mean the higher scoring team that isn't already in a cup right? (since in most cases those teams qualify for CL or UC, at least in Portugal that's the case EVERY year) About the fair play spots... I don't think they take away any other team chance. Since this play in QR it means if UEFA abolished these there would simply be less games to play in QR (or more, depending on how many teams they want in R1). What should be done about FP teams in terms of coefficient calculations is exclude them from their country coefficient! Since most of this teams are very weak the allocation to a country (like Sweden for example) of another team will just make their ranking drop even more than it should if they kept their usual number of teams. That way the FP team wouldn't cause the ratio points/#teams to be lower than already is... |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 03-05-2007, 11:07 | "You mean the higher scoring team that isn't already in a cup right?" Yes. And I agree with you about the "fair play coefficients" too. |
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| Author: Agent327
Date: 03-05-2007, 11:37 | Another option would be : Take the highest 11 ranked countries in the FP competition. FPR1 (Fair Play Round 1) 10 teams 10 teams from countries ranked 2-11 in the FP competition play a home & away tie. FPR2: 6 teams 1. 5 winners of FPR1 2. 1 team from the country ranked 1 in the FP competition Playing a H&A tie to decide which 3 teams will reach the UCQ1 With a format like this you will outrule the 'pure luck' factor (not entirely!) They play at least the same amount of games as it is now. The probability of stronger teams into UCQ1 increases, because the 'weaker' brothers are eliminated. Thus (I hope) it will have a lesser negative impact on your countries coefficient. (But what Francisco replied about this, is my favorite option too) Greetz, Agent327 |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 03-05-2007, 11:50 | Although it wouldn't resolve the "coefficient issues" it would also make more sense to me if awarding the Fair Play places was actually based on Fair Play purely in the European competitions. And yes - I know a lot of teams play very few games but I don't see a problem with doing away with the "minimum requirement" as regards number of games played. If that means 40+ countries in the hat rather than 10 so what? It's a lottery anyway & seems more logical to me than awarding a mid-table team a spot just because women/youth players from their country don't get booked very often. I also see no particular reason why Fair Play places shouldn't be awarded to "the next best team in the league" rather than to a relegated club with few bookings. That's how places were allocated originally anyway. |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 03-05-2007, 11:51 | And why not to make Fair Play Competition? Like Intertoto? Each country is presented by one fairest team. Best teams assault the UEFA Cup. How do you find it? |
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| Author: seso
Date: 03-05-2007, 12:47 | I was reading these interesting facts about Werder Bremen and tonight's match: In 1987-88 they lost 4-1 to Spartak Moscow, but in the return leg they won 6-2 in extra time and qualified! In 1988-89 they lost 3-0 to Dinamo Berlin, but in the return leg they won 5-0! In 2000 they lost 3-0 to OL, but in the return leg they won 4-0 and qualified! |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 03-05-2007, 12:49 Edited by: Kaiser at: 03-05-2007, 12:49 | --- |
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| Author: rakke
Date: 03-05-2007, 17:01 | In 1994 they played in the CLGS against Anderlecht (home): 0-3 half time, 5-3 full time.. so they do have a history of dramatic come-backs! |
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| Author: Heero
Date: 07-05-2007, 10:55 | On this page (http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under17/news/kind=1/newsid=535818.html) it is stated that Belgium currently has 8.142 poits and England 8.000 points. Does that mean that Belgium still is in the running for an extra Fair Play ticket? |
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| Author: Edgar
Date: 07-05-2007, 11:23 Edited by: Edgar at: 07-05-2007, 11:24 | Yes, Belgium is still in the running: As well as the direct ticket on offer for the competition, two more places are available in the 2007/08 UEFA Cup first qualifying round. These will be allocated according to a draw of clubs chosen by countries who finish with a Fair Play coefficient of 8.00 or above. |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 07-05-2007, 11:36 Edited by: badgerboy at: 07-05-2007, 11:41 | Heero I'm not 100% sure but I think that the Fair Play numbers quoted in that UEFA article should only refer to the ranking for the matches played in the U17 Finals tournament. As for the overall ranking. I haven't seen a new one since the one Bert has on his site (up to December) so I guess a lot could have changed since then... |
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| Author: TimJohnson
Date: 07-05-2007, 22:28 | According to the UEFA Website the draw will take place next Tuesday in between the UEFA finalists press conference ie 12-13 local time |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 08-05-2007, 08:31 | Can you give a link to the Uefa article? The fair play season used to run till May 31st. and the draw would then be held a week later or so |
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| Author: Michele
Date: 08-05-2007, 11:17 | I can't give a link to the date and time of the draw cause I haven't been able to find it, but I can give a link that says that the cut-off date is April 30th. Fair play article But I still haven't been able to find the final ranking of the teams, but it looks very likely that Sweden will take first place and 8-12 teams will take part in the draw. |
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| Author: salina
Date: 08-05-2007, 11:38 | @Ricardo: The article concerning the draw of the Fair Play spots is here (last paragraph): www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=535825.html |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 08-05-2007, 12:55 | The link is here. Above I wrote: "...there is still some time to go before the 30 April cut-off..." from this uefa.com article. I suppose this has to be wrong. The cut-off date is May 31, as is clearly written in the regulations of the UEFA Cup. Apparently I was wrong. The cut-off date appears to have been shifted from May 31 to April 30. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 08-05-2007, 14:57 | Interesting, It is again very Uefa-like to tell only half of the story. The FP winner is not announced and also who is in the hat for the draw is also not mentioned. THough it has already been a week since the closure(April 30th). |
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| Author: mabo
Date: 09-05-2007, 16:51 | Sweden claims Fair Play prize Sweden has finished top of the UEFA Fair Play ranking for the 2006/07 campaign, meaning an extra Swedish club will take part in the first qualifying round of next season's UEFA Cup. Additional draw In addition, ten other national associations - Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Wales, Switzerland, Slovakia, England and France - with a coefficient equal to, or higher than, 8.0 in the ranking will go into a draw for a further two places in the 2007/08 UEFA Cup first qualifying round. The Fair Play standings were announced by UEFA on Tuesday and the ten associations mentioned will go into a draw on 15 May, to be conducted in between the two UEFA Cup finalists' press conferences at Hampden Park in Glasgow (approximately 12.30 local time)... www.uefa.com |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 09-05-2007, 17:27 | Here's the link Well that's a massive surprise. A Scandinavian country wins the Fair Play league yet again. A bit of a poisoned chalice with regard to their country ranking I guess but it still seems too easy a way for the same countries to get a spot. Here's hoping England get lucky in the draw though. It's been a few years now & Aston Villa are actually starting to play some decent football & they would - potentially at least - be a good addition to the English representatives. |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-05-2007, 17:31 | So, I suppose we have Kalmar FF from Sweden. In total 7 Northern, 2 Central-East, and a German and French team. |
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| Author: UncleSam
Date: 09-05-2007, 17:53 | BK Häcken win the Fair-Play spot. http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t2.aspx?p=152141&x=1&a=914517 |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-05-2007, 18:44 | Thanks, UncleSam. Now I see: the Swedes are already updating next years Fair Play ranking! The Swedish Fair Play ranking 2006/07 can be found here. |
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| Author: salina
Date: 09-05-2007, 18:47 | So, if it?s true that the second league team Häcken plays in the UEFA Cup, the Fair Play Spot is another poisoned gift for Sweden. By the way, that leads to a question: Is it possible that a country refuses to take the Fair Play Spot? |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 09-05-2007, 18:53 | Everything is possible - just do not obtain the licence |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-05-2007, 19:07 | On UEFA Fair Play Competition you may find 5 of the 11 Fair Play rankings. Does anybody have info on (official) Fair Play rankings of Germany, Estonia, Wales, Switzerland, Slovakia, or France? |
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| Author: Floridian
Date: 09-05-2007, 20:57 | Kazakhstan just missed the chance to fulfill the dream of getting 4 teams in UEFA competition (by 0.005 coeff in Fair Play ranking). |
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| Author: moro
Date: 09-05-2007, 21:12 | Why, were they dreaming about sending 4 teams in Europe? Btw, where's did you get the ranking? Where's Romania in it, over or under the red line? |
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| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 09-05-2007, 21:21 | You can find the ranking here. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 09-05-2007, 21:33 | Wow, Romania on 44th place - that doesn't seem fair P.S. With Platini as chairman, France makes it by 0.001, hmmmmm THey miss their regular minimal 2 Intertoto spots of course.... |
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| Author: Floridian
Date: 09-05-2007, 21:40 | moro, Isn't it a dream for every country in the bottom part of ranking table? |
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| Author: gukfva
Date: 09-05-2007, 21:50 | PLEASE WRITE HERE DOMESTIC WINNERS OF FAIR PLAY RANKINGS from SWEDEN, NORWAY, FINLAND, DENMARK, GERMANY, ESTONIA, WALES, SWITZERLAND, SLOVAKIA, ENGLAND and FRANCE. |
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| Author: MalcolmW
Date: 09-05-2007, 22:17 | From TheFA.com today (although last published table was as at 31st March): "At the moment, Tottenham Hotspur are top of the Barclays Premiership’s Fair Play table, but they could qualify for the UEFA Cup through their league position, so second-placed Villa - 11th in the Barclays Premiership - are set to be in contention for the draw for the extra place." |
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| Author: moro
Date: 09-05-2007, 22:18 Edited by: moro at: 09-05-2007, 22:18 | @Ricardo Seems fair for me Romania on 44, lot of yellow and red cards in internal compet (still not enough...) I think french ch-ship is pretty clean, no need to blaim Platini for everything, France already had this kind of gift in the past 5RC Lens I think). TY for the link Bert. |
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| Author: Michele
Date: 09-05-2007, 22:48 | I think UEFA will only draw the countries who win the draw, not the clubs taking advantage of it, so I don't think the fair play winners will be known until the domestic seasons have finished. But (url=http://www.netsuperligaen.dk/VisFairplayStilling.php>here is a link to the Danish fair play ranking. I think it's updated to include the games last weekend, but not the games played tonight. FC Nordsjælland look comfortable in the lead, especially if FC Midtjylland gains access to Europe through the league. |
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| Author: Meatball
Date: 09-05-2007, 23:45 | @Bert German Football League (DFL) will disclose the winner of the offical Fair-Play-Ranking just shortly after the end of season since there a still two matchdays to go: {a href="http://www.kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/365369/">Link |
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| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 09-05-2007, 23:49 | fair play is not characteristic to romanian football ...  |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 10-05-2007, 07:36 | I held a nice stat race. According to that Northern countries get more FP coefficient than Southern ones. Well, not only in football, in fact . And also if you are more southern country you're more specialized on attack. Don't argue - it's only my opinion. |
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| Author: UncleSam
Date: 10-05-2007, 17:50 Edited by: UncleSam at: 10-05-2007, 17:53 | NORWAY - Lillestrøm SK http://www.fotball.no/t1.aspx?p=51831&x=1&a=197393 DENMARK - FC Nordsjælland (still to be confirmed) http://www.dbu.dk/news/newsShow.aspx?id=238773 FINLAND - MyPä ?? http://www.palloliitto.fi/viestinta/?num=93395 |
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| Author: salina
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:10 Edited by: salina at: 15-05-2007, 14:12 | www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=538254.html Nordic nations win Fair Play places Tuesday, 15 May 2007 by John Atkinfrom Glasgow Clubs from Finland and Norway have claimed the last two UEFA Cup places for the 2007/08 campaign by virtue of the UEFA Fair Play ranking after a draw conducted between the two UEFA Cup finalists' press conferences at Hampden Park in Glasgow. Sweden place The two sides will join a team from Sweden in the first qualifying round as the Scandinavian country were awarded a place in the competition having finished top of the Fair Play standings. Today's draw featured the ten national associations with a coefficient equal to, or higher than, 8.0 in the ranking and included Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Wales, Switzerland, Slovakia, England and France in addition to the two winners. UEFA assessments The 2006/07 Fair Play competition began on 1 June 2006 and finished on 30 April this year. This competition is based on Fair Play assessments made by official UEFA delegates at all UEFA competition matches for club and national teams. The coefficient is founded on a number of criteria such as positive play, respect for the opposition, respect for the referee and behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals. Domestic Fair Play The three associations which have been allocated an extra UEFA Cup berth will be entitled to enter the club that has won their domestic top-flight Fair Play league. If this side has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Cup, the domestic Fair Play competition will continue to apply, so the second-placed team may be entered. If these runners-up have qualified for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Cup, the third-placed club may be considered and so forth. Even a side that has been relegated to the domestic second division could qualify for the UEFA Cup as a result of its exemplary Fair Play conduct during the domestic championship. In any case, only teams who have received the UEFA Licence will be able to participate in the UEFA Cup. ----------- So the first three in the ranking have got the three places - two of them by a draw out of ten countries. |
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| Author: Bridges
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:16 | So the fair play places goes to the Nordic teams: Sweden: Hacken Norway: Lillestrøm Finland: Mypa |
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| Author: Michele
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:27 | It seems to me that the two countries have been quite fortunate with the teams they are sending to Europe as their Fair play teams. Lillestrøm from Norway is currently top team in the league and should be able to do just as well as Vålerenga, Fredrikstad and Brann. MyPa is currently 3rd in Finland and don't look as impressive, but Danish teams have played them twice in recent times and they are by no means a push-over team. I can't base it on much, but I don't think they'll be any worse than their other representatives. Sweden, of course, is another situation. Häcken is in the 2nd league and should a level or two behind the other teams. The only chance I see for them to have a positive influence on Sweden's coefficient is if the other teams perform as badly as they did last year, when 2nd division Åtvidaberg was actually their best team after surprisingly eliminating Brann. |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:32 | Great! I don't know why UEFA doesn't just award an extra spot to all the Scandinavian countries & be done with it. Still one advantage is that there's no doubt about seeding - which there may have been with a French or German winner. None of the teams will be - at least when you get as far as UEFA R1. I bet the Danes are hacked off - then again there's always next year... |
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| Author: Bridges
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:46 | There will be 4 teams with 2.420 conf. point in 1 qualify round Northern region. How to decide wich of them will be the lucky one that not get seeded? |
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| Author: Michele
Date: 15-05-2007, 14:47 | "I bet the Danes are hacked off - then again there's always next year..." Badgerboy, I'm absolutely delighted that we didn't win the draw. FC Nordsjælland isn't a consistent competitor in Europe and I'm not sure they could create any spectacular results. The three teams we'll send to Europe will be the best three at the moment and if they can hold on to their current squads and maybe even improve a little, I think we could have an acceptable year next season. I wouldn't expect FCN to be able to improve on our coefficient, so I'm happy that we give our Scandinavian foes the infinite joy of getting fair play teams.  |
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| Author: Francisco
Date: 15-05-2007, 18:55 | I've just compiled Portugal's info from the available past rankings: 2006/2007: 23. POR=7.891, 84 matches 2005/2006: 18. POR=7.947, 73 m. 2004/2005: 27. POR=7.794, 93 m. 2003/2004: 18. POR=7.966, 90 m. 2002/2003: 32. POR=7.731, 76 m. 2001/2002: 25. POR=7.936, 76 m. Then I looked at the rules: "On the assessement form are six criteria: 1. Red and yellow cards: max 10 points Deduction from a maximum of 10 points: yellow card = 1 point, red card = 3 points. Two times yellow equals red, but yellow + direct red = 4 points deduction. The total of this aspect may become negative. 2. Positive play: minimum 1 point, maximum 10 points Positive aspects: attacking tactics, acceleration of the game, efforts to gain time, and continued pursuit of goals. Negative aspects: deceleration of the game, time-wasting, tactics based on foul-play, play-acting, etc. In general terms positive play correlates with the numer of goal-scoring chances created and the number of goals scored. 3. Respect of the opponent: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points Assessement should be based on positive attitudes (e.g. helping an injured opponent) rather than infringements. Double counting against the item "red and yellow cards" should be avoided. Blameless behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5. 4. Respect of the referee: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points A positive attitude towards the referee (and assistant referees), including the acceptance of doubtful decisions without protest, should be rewarded. Double counting against the item "red and yellow cards" should be avoided. Normal behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5. 5. Behaviour of team officials: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points Postive and negative aspects of the behaviour of team officials should be assessed. E.g. whether they calm or provoke angry players or fans, how they accept the referee's decisions, etc. Co-operation with the media should also be considered as a factor. Blameless behaviour, but without any particularly positive attitude, should be assessed with a mark 4 rather than 5. 6. Behaviour of the crowd: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points Encouragement of teams by shouting, singing, etc. may have a positive influence on the atmosphere. The spectators are, however, expected to respect the opposing team and the referee. The should appreciate the performance of the opposition even if they emerge as the winners. The must in no way intimidate or frighten the opposing team, the referee, or opposing supporters. This item is applicable only if a substantial number of fans of the team concerned are present. Overall assessement: Add all points of the individual components, dividing this total by the maximum number of points, and multiplying the result by 10. The maximum number of points per game generally equals 40. If, however, the team is being supported by a negligible amount of fans, the maximum is 35. The general assessement should be calculated to three decimal points and not rounded up." I think points 2-6 are very subjective!!!! Which may be part of the reason Portugal never got to cross the 8.0 barrier. (And don't forget point 1 is subjective because it depends on the referee!) I'm very sad that even in 2003/2004 we didn't pass 8.0, since it was the season we organized the EURO and Porto won CL (Okay maybe Mourinho didn't help ) and I thought that due to great behavior from fans, and inside the field from players that season, specially national team, we could at least get to the 8.0 mark...And another question, are the total matches= all national team games + portuguese teams in UEFA Cups? I think it never could add so much matches, so I think I'm missing many games (unless SUB-17, -19, etc matches count as well...) |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 15-05-2007, 19:37 | Francisco I remember looking into this last year. The joke about the Fair Play stats is that all youth AND women's matches count. That's why Scandinavia does so well in the ranking - women's football is relatively popular so they probably even get fairly enthusiastic crowds to watch the games. They play a lot of matches & overall I would imagine there are a lot less cards in most women's football games (& youth for that matter) than in the major European competitions. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 15-05-2007, 21:46 | "There will be 4 teams with 2.420 conf. point in 1 qualify round Northern region. How to decide wich of them will be the lucky one that not get seeded?" I (my site)got them all unseeded (I moved Polish teams to the Northern group). But I got a possible situation in Q2: only 1 of the 3 Norwegian teams will be seeded:Fredrikstad, Brann or Lillestrom...... |
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| Author: ioio
Date: 15-05-2007, 23:55 | Polish clubs in the northern zone ?!! Our clubs in Wales need to know who's seeded in the northern zone and so are possible opponents. So 1) How do the Polish clubs come into the equation - they're obviously central europe ? 2) Repeat the question - how do you separate the Finnish and Lithuanian clubs who have the same co-efficient, given that Fair Play MyPa are seeded having the higher club co-efficient ? |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: ioio
Date: 16-05-2007, 00:31 | Ricardo - I've looked at the northern zone UEFA Cup Access List on your site. Besides the issue of the Polish clubs, you've made the mistake of including Derry City from Ireland in the seeded list. Derry do indeed have a higher co-efficient than the other Irish clubs but they are in the CL not the UEFA Cup. Drogheda and St Pats are the 2 Irish clubs in the UEFA Cup, and both will definitely be unseeded. Can someone work out then where the line will be drawn between the seeded and unseeded in the northern zone ? |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: Overgame
Date: 16-05-2007, 06:04 | "P.S. With Platini as chairman, France makes it by 0.001, hmmmmm THey miss their regular minimal 2 Intertoto spots of course...." Cough cough :p Finland Sweden and Norway :p |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 16-05-2007, 08:59 | @ioio: Another "workout" can be found here. But do not expect a definitive version more then a few hours before the draw. All lists are based upon assumptions, since UEFA doesn't seem to have a consistent set of rules. |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 16-05-2007, 11:15 | @ ioio, Yes indeed I never removed Shelbourne from my lists I will update it. Then, I think, 1 Finish/Lithuanian team will be seeded. To calculate who: all 4 teams have country coefficents. THe Lithuanina got the most points last year (0.605, Finnish only 0.440) so they go above. From the 2 teams per country it is like: cupwinner and then the order of the league. SO: Sudova (cupwinner) Ekranes HJK Haka |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: Francisco
Date: 17-05-2007, 15:21 | The fact that ALL national teams games count for fair play looks ridiculous... How can women's national football teams affect men's clubs teams??? It makes no sense... Go figure... |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: Floridian
Date: 17-05-2007, 17:39 | Common sense is fairly low on the UEFA priorities list... |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: moro
Date: 17-05-2007, 21:20 | How many teams starts competition 5UC and CL)- about 200? Then why do you have a problem about choosing 3 weak teams to play in the name of fair play (no matter what criteria are used)? |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: abzpablo
Date: 22-05-2007, 17:03 | Dundee United have got a Fair Play stand - maybe they should get in. |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: Overgame
Date: 22-05-2007, 22:16 | "How many teams starts competition 5UC and CL)- about 200? Then why do you have a problem about choosing 3 weak teams to play in the name of fair play (no matter what criteria are used)?" Ok, but why should the coefficient suffer ? |
| Re: FAIR PLAY SPOTS (UEFA Cup) | |
| Author: moro
Date: 22-05-2007, 22:45 | We're to focused on coef. And since those cold beautiful countries get almost every year extra-team by fair-play, they are not very affected by that, I'm talking about number of teams to play in Europe. |