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Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 23-09-2013, 17:14
| uefa decided, that, in case a national cup winner is qualified for CL, the replacement starter will not be the loosing cup finalist anymore, but the next league entrat not qualified yet. For german Bundeslige this would have ment that Hamburger SY was qualfied instead of vfb Stuttgart.
What do you think about that? I don't really like it... |
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Author: Friesland
Date: 23-09-2013, 18:59
| It's the best decision by UEFA in a very long time.
The "losing Cup Finalist rule" was a horrible rule. This is a fact. It went against sportsmanship, promoting "winning by losing" and also had the effect of "losing by winning."
On the surface it doesn't seem like a bad rule, but if you look more closely you see there are big problems with this rule:
scenario 1:
last league match: cup winner - losing cup finalist, CW is sure to qualify for CL with a win, LF can't qualify through the league any more. In this case the only good result for the LF is a loss, which gives them a EL spot, while winning doesn't give them anything.
scenario 2:
last match day: the cup winner is currently outside the CL spot, but could qualify if another doesn't. This team plays against a team that gets a EL spot, but only if the CW doesn't qualify for CL. So, the only good result for the latter team is a loss, which gives them a EL spot, while a win or a draw loses the EL spot.
Note that this rule was a bad rule from the beginning. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 23-09-2013, 19:19
| It was a logical rules as long as the Cup Winners Cup was still there, since you can't send a team qualifying via the league to a Cup that is for teams that perform good in national Cups.
After the CWC was abandoned, it was strange that a losing Cup finalist still got the spot instead of a team that was ranked higher in the league. Now finally UEFA has corrected this.
Because why should a team that had a good run in a few (Cup) matches but didn't win a trophy get a EL-spot instead of a team that performed better over more then 30 (league) matches. |
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Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 24-09-2013, 16:04
| Why? To make teams eager to play the cup with thier first team instead of loosing on purpose in 1st round. Besides, i like a good performance in a cup as a way to qualify. And getting into the cup final alreadly IS good performance.
Additionally i Like the chance for even a lower ranked team to play internationally. And of course for a team from league 2 odre 3, just getting the 'Ticket to Berlin' ' (yea, i am from germany!) is just great performance. |
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Author: Friesland
Date: 24-09-2013, 17:48
| In one way the losing cup finalist to qualify for EL is not a bad thing in itself. It's the fact that it depends on the cup winner's league position that makes it a bad thing.
It has to do with dependence and independence of the two competitions (league and cup). Winning should always be the best result. If the losing cup finalist can only qualify because of the league position of the cup winner, winning is not always the best result in the league. If they play a league match against each other, the losing cup finalist has direct influence on the league position of the cup winner and will deliberately lose the match, because that is their best result. Hence, there is a dependency between the two competitions.
If the losing cup finalist qualifies any way (i.e. independent of the league position of the cup winner) then winning remains the best result for all teams in the league. |
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