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Author: antony
Date: 31-08-2013, 17:36
| Hi everybody!!In the yesterday ELGS draw,i noticed that there were at least a couple of things not correct about pairing clubs from the same association:1)Tottenham was the first english club drawn and went in the blu groups,then swansea was the second club drawn end they put it automatically in one of the red groups,later was also drawn wigan.As in the ranking swansea was behind wigan,the pairing clubs should have been tottenham/wigan and so swansea could have been drawn either in red groups or in blu groups.2)The same happened with portuguese teams when the best ranked portuguese team was drawn,then the second one was estoril(the last in ranking of the 3 clubs)but was restricted only to one color and not both!!Anyone can explain this? |
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Author: viulo
Date: 31-08-2013, 18:05
| Pairings aren't related to the clubs' finishing positions the year before but with projected tv audiences. In a 3 or 4 teams case, UEFA tries that the two clubs with bigger tv impact play in different days (CL) or different times (EL - 19/21:05) |
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Author: greenbay
Date: 31-08-2013, 19:20
Edited by: greenbay
at: 31-08-2013, 19:21 | Imho in EL the TV pairings are not allocated to specific teams like they are in CL. They are just allocated to 1st team drawn, 2nd team drawn and so on.
So as Tottenham were the first English team drawn and going into a blue group, the next English team draw automatically had to go to a red group regardless of the specific club. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 31-08-2013, 22:20
| RE: Portugal
Pacos Ferreira was the first Portuguese team drawn and the 6th team drawn overall from Pot 3. At that time, Red Groups E & F and Blue Groups H, I, J, K & L were available. Hence, they were placed in Group E.
This leaves Red Group F, and Blue Groups H, I, J, K & L remaining.
The next team drawn was then Estoril, and as you correctly said, they could only have been placed in Blue groups H, I, J, K & L. Group F (Red) was not available as this was reserved for Frankfurt because Freiburg were earlier drawn into Group H (Blue).
The same then applied to the 8th team drawn, Guimaraes. They could not go into F, so went into I.
From this, we can tell that Pacos Ferreira were one of the paired Portuguese teams (otherwise they would have been placed into H-L). However, who they were paired with can not be determined. |
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Author: greenbay
Date: 01-09-2013, 07:34
| No. There were no specific club pairings. Before Pacos were drawn from pot 3, the final two spots in the red groups were already blocked. One for Frankfurt as you correctly say. And the other one for the first Portuguese team drawn, regardless which it was. |
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Author: viulo
Date: 01-09-2013, 15:36
| That doesn't necessarily mean there were no pairings. Is Paços was paired with Guimarães, as I suspect, then it could have been reserved for the first one to be drawn but had it been Estoril they would have been placed on the other side of the draw. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 01-09-2013, 16:28
| Yes. Unless the regulations have been changed, there are specifically paired clubs for ELGS. It is just not obvious this year (see my post on the Portuguese pairings). However, if you look back at last year GS draw here, there are two example where teams from Italy and Portugal are specifically paired:
Italy
Pot 1
Internazionale - went into Group H (Blue)
Pot 2
Udinese was the first team drawn from this pot and had the following options:
A B C D E F G - I J K L (H was blocked due to Internazionale)
Now, if your theory of second the team drawn gets put in the opposite side of the draw as the first time drawn, Groups G-L should be blocked.
Udinese went into Group A, therefore Udinese were NOT paired with Internazionale.
Napoli was the 6th team drawn from this pot (teams 2-5 went into B-E). Their options were:
- - - - - F - - - - - - (A-E blocked because teams had already been drawn into them, but G-L were free)
Napoli went into Group F. This proves that Napoli were paired with Internazionale (otherwise G-L would not have been blocked out).
Pot 3
Lazio was the 10th team drawn from this group, and the 4th Italian team overall. Teams 1-9 were placed into groups A-I, so Lazio's options were:
- - - - - - - - J K L
They went into J, and therefore were not paired with Internazionale.
So, for this draw, the pairings were: Udinese/Lazio & Internazionale/Napoli
Based off your theory (1st team free, 2nd team opposite to 1st, 3rd team free, 4th team opposite to 3rd) Udinese should have had groups G-L blocked and Napoli should NOT have had groups G-L blocked.
Portugal
Pot 1
Sporting CP - went into Group G (Blue)
Pot 4
Academica was drawn 2nd (and 2nd portuguese team). The first drawn team went into Group A. Their options were:
- B C D E F - H I J K L (A already used, G blocked due to Sporting CP)
Now, if your theory of second the team drawn gets put in the opposite side of the draw as the first time drawn, Groups G-L should be blocked.
Academica went into Group B [therefore Academica were NOT paired with Sporting CP>
Maritimo was drawn 5th. Teams 3 and 4 were placed into Groups C & G. Their options were:
- - - D E F - - - - - - (A-C & G used, H-L blocked)
The only possible reason why H-L were block was because Maritimo were paired with Sporting CP.
With this years draw, it is not so obvious because the paired teams were drawn before the "free" team. Take England for example, out of Tottenham, Swansea and Wigan, I am 100% sure Tottenham and Swansea would have been paired as Premiership teams over Wigan (a second level team). Which is why when we saw Swansea drawn out of Pot 2, the blue groups were blocked because of Tottenham, but Wigan had all groups available except for the ones filled or occupied by Tottenham |
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