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| Author: Rumburacisko
Date: 28-08-2013, 12:39 | Hello, any sollution how the situation will look like? Which team will be playing ELGS instead of Fenerbachce? http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenerales.asp/4-3-7041-1092-4-1-1/5-0-1092-15-1-1 / |
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| Author: alexmorgan
Date: 28-08-2013, 12:41 Edited by: alexmorgan at: 28-08-2013, 12:43 | UEFA to decide tomorrow. My guess is that Salzburg and Zalgiris match tomorrow will be cancelled and both will progress to ELGS. |
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| Author: vkgz
Date: 28-08-2013, 14:22 | The UEFA Emergency Panel will meet on Thursday afternoon to decide on the consequences the confirmed exclusion of Fenerbahçe SK from the 2013/14 UEFA club competitions will have on the UEFA Europa League. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-08-2013, 15:27 | There are 4 options (listed according to most likely scenario by my opinion): 1.last team beaten by Fenerbahçe takes their place --> Salzburg to EL-GS, and so Salzburgs opponent in EL-Q4 (Zalgiris) gets a bye to EL-GS 2.highest team on the access list not directly qualfied for EL-GS gets a EL-GS spot (=AZ as Cup Winner of country 8) and AZ's opponent (Atromitos) gets a bye into EL-GS. 3.draw between all 30 EL-Q4 losers for a lucky loser spot into EL-GS 4.Bursaspor as next best Turkish team (assuming Besiktas also gets banned) gets the EL-GS spot |
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| Author: viulo
Date: 28-08-2013, 16:40 Edited by: viulo at: 28-08-2013, 16:49 | What about Besiktas? If they qualify and their ban is confirmed by CAS on friday morning, I'm guessing Tromso will take their place. But is there another scenario? |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-08-2013, 17:26 | For Besiktas it is clear. If they are banned Tromso will take their place. Is the same situation as Metalist in CL-Q3 and Volos in 2011. |
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| Author: yanivbm88
Date: 29-08-2013, 00:44 | @Forza-AZ I doubt Zalgiris will get the spot. First, it is too twisted to give it to them. Also they are not so attractive team, so UEFA will not be entused to decide this.\ I believe the fairest solution will be to give the spot to another Turkish team (not necessarily the next high-ranked team, maybe the fair play leader in Turkish league or something..) however UEFA doesn't tend to give banned teams spot to another team of the same country, so I predict a lucky loser procedure will be held. Maybe it will be the highest ranked team who elimianted in the playoffs(pretty unfair, but sound like a solution UEFA would like), or as suggested before a draw between all Playoff losers (pretty fair and cool  ) |
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| Author: Johnzon
Date: 29-08-2013, 01:29 | Oh great, breaking the record again for the lowest ranking team reaching to ELGS. ELGS has some potential for breaking high scores record this year. It would really be better if UEFA came up with a better idea in these cases. Like best ranked loser or highest unseeded if at earlier stage. |
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| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 29-08-2013, 05:05 | I really would appreciate that "Lucky looser draw" procedure. Besides it will give Stuttgat anothe hope to play some more european games this year. But they didn't draw a new opponent for Maccabi, so i don't think they will draw this time. I rahter go with cup winner from Nation rank #8 gets a bye, and their oponent as well. |
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| Author: JohnHarts
Date: 29-08-2013, 10:00 Edited by: JohnHarts at: 29-08-2013, 10:03 | I really wish UEFA would sort issues like this out better. Either ban clubs from the next competitions or have a cutoff point for the current contest, before it begins. Originally I was planning to go down to Vilnius today to see the Zhalgiris game, as I thought it would be my last chance to see UEFA football in the baltics this season. However the fact they'd lost 5-0 first leg coupled with the fact that there was a serious chance of them making the group stages anyway, made me save my money for another time. There was the serious possibility of me making a 4 and a half hour bus journey, just for the game to be cancelled last minute. Things like that are really not fair on fans or clubs involved. |
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| Author: max_m
Date: 29-08-2013, 10:17 | When is the meeting? 12 CET? |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-08-2013, 10:31 | Time is not mentioned, just that UEFA will decide this afternoon. |
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| Author: erdinc
Date: 29-08-2013, 12:33 | This is my opinion and I will be wrong like most of us in this matter. Salzburg has no chance to replace Fenerbahçe. If they were eliminated very last round, they would replace Fenerbahçe - no question about that and UEFA has done that all the time. If Fenerbahçe eliminated Arsenal, Arsenal would get that right. However, Salzburg was eliminated two rounds ago and elimination two rounds ago does not give them any right. Both Arsenal and Salzburg shouldn't have the same chance for that. UEFA can not assign any club to any competition themselves. The clubs are assigned by the FA's. I think there are three possibilities. 1 - Play UEL with one less group. Financially no and not to be used. 2 - Make out a new ruling so that one club can be assigned by UEFA. Even so that ruling can not be applied to a competition which has already started. I don't think this would be the case either. 3 - UEFA will ask Turkish FA to replace Fenerbahçe with another team giving some guidance - like whether they can still re-instate Bursaspor even though they are already eliminated, or select an alltogether new team, which would be Kayserispor. Two years ago when they didn't want Fenerbahçe at UCL. Playing UCL with one less club was not an acceptable choice. So, they asked Turkish FA to replace them and TFF replaced them with Trabzonspor even though they were eliminated from UCL at non-champions route and was already playing at UEL. We'll see the decision very shortly. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-08-2013, 12:48 | @erdinc Big difference between 2011 and now, since in 2011 the open spot (CL-GS) was a starting spot for Turkey, so it could be filled by another Turkish team. Now the open spot (EL-GS) is no starting spot for Turkey, so it would not be fair to put another Turkish team in that spot, since they didn't earn that spot. If Fenerbahçe was banned before the 1st leg against Arsenal, no doubt Salzburg would have replaced them (and were guarenteed at least a EL-GS spot) and Zalgiris would have gotten a bye. So it is not unlikely Salzburg still gets the guarenteed EL-GS spot right now. |
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| Author: simonk
Date: 29-08-2013, 15:43 Edited by: simonk at: 29-08-2013, 15:43 | Decision: Draw of lots including all EL Playoff losers. http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1987381.html |
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| Author: alexmorgan
Date: 29-08-2013, 15:47 Edited by: alexmorgan at: 29-08-2013, 15:55 | what a load of ******* ********!!!! I hope Kukesi or Kalju or Zalgiris get drawn. Now, what would happen if the "lucky loser" is the Besiktas/Tromso loser, and then Besiktas get banned?!?! |
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| Author: simonk
Date: 29-08-2013, 15:57 | Another Draw? |
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| Author: simonk
Date: 29-08-2013, 16:29 Edited by: simonk at: 29-08-2013, 16:30 | My opinion is, that of course, there would have been another solutions than a drawing of lots, but Maccabi Tel Aviv as well as probably Tromso had the luck of the draw to get a bye for the group stage. And if they said that Zagrilis gets the bye for the group stage, they would also profit by the luck of the draw. |
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| Author: alexmorgan
Date: 29-08-2013, 16:54 Edited by: alexmorgan at: 29-08-2013, 16:54 | They should order the QR4 losers based on the following order: 1) points scored in the two QR4 matches (3 for a win, 1 draw, 0 loss) 2) Goal difference over the two legs 3) Goals scored over the two legs 4) Away goals scored over the two legs Who ever finishes top gets the spot (if theres a tie, then do a draw) |
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| Author: simonk
Date: 29-08-2013, 16:59 | This would open the doors for match fixing very far. The winning team could help the losing team to have a good result that allows both to enter the group stage. |
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| Author: erdinc
Date: 29-08-2013, 17:06 | My second guess was correct. They found a new solution and a new ruling. This way they are not assigning a club by themselves but a draw is doing that for them. In case of Beşiktaş it will be different. If they eliminate Tromso and got banned, then Tromso will replace Beşiktaş, just like PAOK's replacement of Metalist. They would be the loser of the last round match-up by Besiktas. Not like Salzburg. They were not the last round match-up for Fenerbahçe. One funny scenario - Beşiktaş is not banned and proceeds but Tromso wins the draw and proceeds as well. They should announce Beşiktaş decision today otherwise another strange and funny scenario may happen. Beşiktaş gets eliminated and wins the draw. But when the announcement is made and they are banned. Another draw? |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-08-2013, 17:09 | If the Besiktas case isn't decided before the lucky-loser draw, and the loser of Besiktas-Tromso is drawn as the lucky-loser, I imagine they will just draw a 2nd team as possible replacement when Besiktas is banned. |
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| Author: ransborg
Date: 29-08-2013, 17:48 | Another interesting aspect is if the lucky looser will get asigned to pot 4 automatically, or will enter the GS-draw depending on its own coefficient. I would be quite sad if Nordsjĉlland makes it to GS pot 3 tonight and then get pushed to pot 4 because a team with higher coefficient gets drawn as LL. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-08-2013, 18:04 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 29-08-2013, 18:05 | Fenerbahçe was in Pot 1 when they were not banned. So you can say that teams can only get into a higher Pot depending on who replaces Fenerbahçe. Of course the lucky loser will have it's own coefficient. Only when the teams aren't known yet at the time of the draw UEFA uses something else. |
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| Author: DIMA1983
Date: 29-08-2013, 19:19 | I think Fenerbahce is Turkish club and the QARABAG must take ELGS which is another Turkish club. And I think it is very Fair. |
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| Author: simonk
Date: 30-08-2013, 00:21 | Would be interesting if UEFA draws loser of AZ/Atromitos meaning that they won't have to play. But of course I hope for my club, VfB Stuttgart. What do you hope? |
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| Author: Yuval
Date: 30-08-2013, 02:55 | This whole qualification phase has been a joke. UEFA must change the banning regulations and set that the ban will not be applied in a campaign where the banned team has already been drawn before all the juridical proceedings have come to an end, but only in the next one. These bans are not even an attempt to fix an unfair gained qualification berth, as these offences clubs are being penalized for occurred a few years ago - they are simply a pure punishment. |
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| Author: Yuval
Date: 30-08-2013, 03:02 | Bert, do you think that the lucky loser will be placed automatically in the 4th pot, or in accordance with it's coefficient ranking? You put it in the 4th pot, altough there are some teams that their ranking is worth as high as the 1st pot. |
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| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 30-08-2013, 04:45 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 30-08-2013, 05:18 | Since UEFA announced the lucky looer will be drawn among all team who loose on thursday, the Almaar-Atromitos looser is not in the pot? How many minites they will play today? I'd think it would be more fair to play full 45 minutes, not just 31 oder so. I hoped that Friburg and Frankfurt would escape pot 4, now they are close to pot 2. unbelieveable... |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 30-08-2013, 08:25 | @Cloakmaster That was written before they knew a match was suspended, so of course also loser AZ-Atromitos gets a chance in the lucky loser play-off. And why play 45 minutes instead of 31? Then Atromitos would also lose their goal (in 53rd minute). |
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| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 30-08-2013, 16:55 | you don't need to delete a goal. Say, there were just 5 minutes missing: Match would be over beforde players would really get into play. That's why i rather like playing full 45 minutes instead of just 30. |
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| Author: vkgz
Date: 03-11-2013, 13:14 | turkish federation still did not punishment |
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| Author: manny91
Date: 04-11-2013, 00:48 | If Fenerbachce get a European spot for next season will this go to the next team in the table? |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 04-11-2013, 08:43 | Yes, Turkey will get 5 spots. Fenerbahçe will just be replaced by the next team in the league. |
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| Author: vkgz
Date: 04-11-2013, 14:24 | UEFA punished,but turkish federation didnt punishment |