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Author: kleine_generaal
Date: 22-08-2013, 22:36
| I saw Anzhi is automatically in group stage of the Europa League. They are cupwinner I know. But if you look to the ranking in 2012, Russia is placed 7 so they haven't the cupwinner group stage spot? Only 1-6 cupwinners are straight into the group stage. Anyone explaination? |
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Author: repou
Date: 22-08-2013, 22:44
| First of all, anzhi didn't win Cup. It went to Group Stage because of 3rd place in league.
And your answer - Title holder's spot wasn't used, so team from Russia advanced to Group Stage automatically. |
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Author: kleine_generaal
Date: 22-08-2013, 23:05
| Clear. thanks for your answer. |
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Author: kleine_generaal
Date: 22-08-2013, 23:16
Edited by: kleine_generaal
at: 22-08-2013, 23:17 | @ repou. I think Anzhi is in Europa League due their cup final. If an other team than Anzhi was placed 3rd in Russian competition, they had to start in play offs. Then was the 6th place ( Rubin Kazan) expired. |
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Author: repou
Date: 22-08-2013, 23:49
| Well, in 2010 was the same situation alaniya from Vladikavkaz was Cup finalist and Cup winner qualified for Champions League and Vladikavkaz started from 3rd round |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 23-08-2013, 00:08
| First of all Russia got a direct spot in the group stage because the TH-spot wasn't used (Chelsea as EL-winners already qualified for CL via their league), so the 7th ranked country (Russia) got a direct GS-spot.
So the highest placed Russian EL-team was promoted from EL-Q4 to EL-GS. That would normally be the Cup Winner, but since they (CSKA Moscow) already qualified for CL, this place went to the highest placed Russian team that qualified via the league (Anzhi in 3rd place).
The fact that Anzhi was also the losing Cup finalist has nothing to do with it. If Anzhi as losing Cup finalist had finished in a lower position then still the 3rd placed team would have gotten the GS-spot and not the losing Cup finalist. |
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Author: Nixda
Date: 23-08-2013, 10:22
| Forza is correct. Can bee seen in Germany with Stuttgart (cupfinalist) and Freiburg (league 5th). Freiburg is in GS and Stuttgart had to go to qualification round 3. |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-08-2013, 18:07
| and it only is recently added that some teams enter the GS directly. This is onlyl the second year that happens. So in 2010 it was different situation |
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Author: repou
Date: 27-08-2013, 20:04
| Ricardo, you are wrong. In 2010 Cup finalist (lost to team qualified to CL) started from 3rd round and 4th team in League (this year Russia had 3 clubs in CL) started from 4th round (playoff). And this means that in 2010 and this season best position in League takes best option (Group Stage, Playoffs and so on) and Cup finalist starts from the lowest round. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 27-08-2013, 20:22
| @repou
Ricardo and you are both correct.
The order of EL-teams is always the same: 1) Cup winner, 2) League position, 3) League Cup winner (only England and France), 4) losing Cup finalist.
Ricardo just pointed out that before 2012 it wasn't possible to qualify directly for EL-GS via domestic league and cup. |
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Author: repou
Date: 27-08-2013, 21:24
| Forza-AZ, his point doesn't make sense because this new thing with direct access doesn't affect order for EL. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 27-08-2013, 23:36
| This topic is about why Anzhi is direct in EL-GS, and someone mentioned a case in 2010.
So it is relevant what Ricardo says. Not for the order of teams of course, but for the starting round for Anzhi it is. |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-08-2013, 11:32
| thanks Forza, I kind of misunderstood the question. I thought it was about why Anzhi has a direct spot now, while there was not direct spot given in 2010.
Is there still a question open in this topic? Or has it all been cleared out now |
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