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Author: simonk
Date: 06-08-2013, 23:16
| http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1979330.html |
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Author: Michael_D
Date: 06-08-2013, 23:59
| Looks like match fixing?
Could it be PAOK - Metalist first leg, or a local game? |
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Author: simonk
Date: 07-08-2013, 00:16
| No, it was in 2008. The manager Jewgeni Krasnikow was involved in a match fixing scandal. That says bild.de from Germany. |
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Author: vkgz
Date: 07-08-2013, 00:18
| i think uefa will ban metalist.
and cas will ban beskiktas, fenerbahce. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 07-08-2013, 00:28
| This would mean that 3 clubs will have to be replaced for CL or EL group stage. |
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Author: Michael_D
Date: 07-08-2013, 00:37
| In case 2-3 clubs will be excluded from the CL or EL-group stage it would be really interesting to see who would replace them.
One solution would be that the losing team will take their spot. But if a losing CL qualifier playoff team would be excluded from EL group stage. Who would then take that teams spot? |
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Author: simonk
Date: 07-08-2013, 00:50
| In principle there are two possibilities: Either the team(s) will be replaced by a team from the same county, or by a team from another country (eg losing team)
If the second possibility will be used and Fenerbahce loses its playoff, they might be replaced by a lucky loser from the EL playoff round. |
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Author: Michael_D
Date: 07-08-2013, 09:23
| What criteria could be used to decide "lucky loser"?
Highest team coefficient of losing team in EL-playoff?
Highest country coefficient of a team losing in EL-playoff?
Other? |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 07-08-2013, 11:26
| When Fenerbahce was taken out of CL at about the same stage, Fener was replaced by Trabzon, but it was about a direct CL-GS spot, so had to be filled somehow. Trabzon's spot in EL-PO was nto filled, its opponent won by default.
For country ranking Fener's participation was taken into account
And what does this learn us?
- spots can be taken by other teams from the same country
- no rematch was organised to give a new team a chance to beat Atl.Madrid
So lets say Fener and Besiktas will be banned
I expect then:
- Fener will be replaced by Bursaspor in CL-GS or EL-GS
- Besiktas will be replace by Kasimpasa if they make it to EL-GS
- Bursaspor wil be replaced by Kayserispor if they make it to EL-GS
So the weird thing could be that Bursaspor might play a CL-GS spot that Fenerbahce have fought for?
And I think that if Besiktas gets eliminated and Bursaspor not, then that Kasimpasa will play EL-GS and not Kayserispor
And what about Metalist?
Might Metalist reach CL-GS I think it wil be replaced by Din.Kiev,
The free spot in EL-GS (if Metalist reaches EL or Din.Kiev is transferred to EL) will be given to Kryvbas Kryvy Riga, as being next in league that would have gotten an EL-Q spot.
Maybe if one of the other Ukrainian EL-teams is eliminated in the PO, they can still get a chance to participate in EL-GS...
What's the problem with this?
- one team plays qualifying matches for a GS-spot, another team platys the GS
- I liked that Feners spot counted for ranking (all points were divided by 5, while only 4 played) |
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Author: shisraelit
Date: 07-08-2013, 11:42
Edited by: shisraelit
at: 07-08-2013, 11:58 | I think salzburg or the loser team in the el play-off would take the place of fenerbache and the loser of the match involved besiktas would take besiktas spot. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 07-08-2013, 12:51
| @Ricardo
I'm almost certain UEFA would not let other Turkish teams start directly in CL/EL-GS when they had no right to start there.
There is a big difference with Fenerbahçe's case a few years ago. Then Trabzonspor had a right for CL-GS after Fenerbahçe was banned.
So I just expect that the opponents of banned teams in Q4 will qualify instead. Only question is how UEFA will fill EL-GS if teams are banned that play in CL-Q4. |
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Author: eye2
Date: 07-08-2013, 15:12
| The situation is different for Metalist and turkish clubs for me. For Metalist situation depends on UEFA while for turkish clubs UEFA did what should do in time but clubs appealed to CAS so it is up to CAS.
Assuming that UEFA should punish Metalist which will probably qualify to CL play off today. Then PAOK (if UEFA give adnantage to the opponent of Metalist) or Kiev (if UEFA use country club replacement) should replace Metalist at CL play off since we need a looser team to qualify to EL GS. This means that PAOK's or Kiev's opponent (an unseed club in any case even the lower ranked) at EL playoff should qualify directly to EL groups. How fair is this to the top unseed club which would have better changes to qualify to GS if the decision had been taken only 3 days earlier? So I believe that the best decision (if Metalist must be punished) is to ban the team for next season. If you must punish a club for something that happened 5 years ago you can delay one more year.
Concerning turkish clubs the situation is different cause it is not up to UEFA. UEFA made decision in correct time but there is CAS. It is hard to avoid the mess.
Generally I believe that all UEFA decisions concerning which clubs should take part in competitions should be final before the first draw. In case clubs appeal to CAS and it is impossible to have the entry list at competitions right on time then UEFA should let the clubs take part in competition till the end of it but in case their appeal is rejected the punishment should be double and clubs will not receive money from market pool and UEFA. This will not cause mess at competitions and clubs will appeal to CAS only when they believe they are 100% right. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 07-08-2013, 15:40
| It's so complicated... |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 07-08-2013, 16:43
Edited by: alexmorgan
at: 07-08-2013, 16:45 | One thing to note with the Fenerbahce/Trabzonspor case in 2011/12, is that if Fenerbahce had been banned from the every start, Trabzonspor would have taken the place in the Group Stage outright; and because matches were already played, redistribution of Turkeys spots could not have taken place as this would have been given Turkish clubs advanced positions in the relative competitions.
This is what I believe will happen if bans are given (after qualifying stages are complete):
Fenerbahce makes CLGS: Their spot in the GS will be taken by the team they beat in the CLPO. This creates an issue as the CLPO loser drops to the ELGS. This place will then be taken by team Fenerbahce beat in CLQR3 (This creates another problem as this team drops to ELPO and could make the ELGS themselves. If this is the case, the team they beat in ELPO will take the last ELGS spot).
You can not replace Fenerbahce CLGS spot with the next eligible Turkish team (Bursaspor in this case) because they should have started in CLQR3. If I was a team in CLQR3/PO, I would be very ****** off that a team as virtually received a 2-round bye.
To summarise:
CLGS: Fenerbahce -> Team Fenerbache beat in CLPO
ELGS: Team Fenerbahce beat in CLPO -> Salzburg
ELGS: Salzburg (should they qualify by right) -> Team Salzburg beat in ELPO
For the Besiktas case:
ELGS: Besiktas -> Team Besiktas beat in ELPO
[You can not replace Besiktas with Kayserispor because they need to have played in the ELPO round>
The Metalist case is similar, but different because the outcome should be known before CLPO is started. Should they be removed, I believe the following will occur:
CLPO: Metalist -> PAOK
ELPO: PAOK -> No one, as the draw has already taken place, the team drawn against PAOK should receive bye to ELGS (see 2011/12 ELPO, where Trabzonspor were placed into CLGS and their ELPO opponent, Bilbao, went straight into ELGS, although the ELPO 1st leg was played in this case)
Dinamo Kiev should not replace Metalist in CLPO as they should have played in the CLQR3.
For those that think their should be direct replacement of Fenerhabce/Besiktas with other Turkish clubs... look at how the access list would change:
TUR 1: CLGS (Gala)-> CLGS (Gala)
TUR 2: CLQR3 (Fen)-> CLGS (Bur) (should Fenerbahce makes the CLGS, if not ELGS)
TUR 3: ELPO (Bes) -> ELGS (Kay) (should Besiktas qualify)
TUR 4: ELQR3 (Bur) -> ELQR3 (Kas) [can not change as already played>
TUR 5: ELQR2 (Trab) -> ELQR2 (Trab) [can not change as already played> |
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Author: eye2
Date: 07-08-2013, 18:13
| There is also an extreme scenario but still is possible. Let's say PSV and Zenit are eliminated today. This has as result Metalist to be seeded in the coming draw and is drawn to Fenerbahce then what do we do ? |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 07-08-2013, 18:24
| There is also an extreme scenario but still is possible. Let's say PSV and Zenit are eliminated today. This has as result Metalist to be seeded in the coming draw and is drawn to Fenerbahce then what do we do ?
erm...... well, the case involving metalist will be known before the 1st leg is played. So they will either play, or PAOK will play Fenerbahce (and the team PAOK plays in ELPO will get a bye to ELGS)
If Fenerbahce then win, and are banned... PAOK gets the CLGS spot, Salzburg get the ELGS spot (and should salzburg qualify for ELGS by right, the team they beat in ELPO gets the ELGS spot)
If Fenerbahce lose and are banned... the same EL scenario will apply.
If the Metalist case isnt over until CLPO is completed..... PAOK and Salzburg will play a one-off match on at a neutral venue. Winner goes to CLGS, loser to ELGS (ELGS spots vacated [in the case of winning to CLGS> or double qualification, the teams they beat in ELPO get the ELGS spot)
Of course, im speculating over that last situation... thats a new one on me |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 07-08-2013, 19:18
| You can stop speculating, since Zenit is 2-0 ahead and will qualify for CL-Q4. |
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Author: bjkman
Date: 08-08-2013, 10:57
| I'm not really convinced about letting the losers progress to the next round. Why should Salzburg play CLQR4 ? They'd probably have lost against any seeded team in QR3. They shouldn't pass just because they had the luck to have drawn Fener.. (notice that if it was PAOK instead of Salzburg I wouldn't mind)
So if Besiktas and Fener are banned no Turkish team will replace them ? And I guess the coefficient will be divided by 5. Yet again Turkey would be penalised
The best solution would be to postpone the bans to the next season |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 08-08-2013, 13:31
| I'm not really convinced about letting the losers
Its not that uncommon an occurrence.
EL11/12: Olympiakos Volou excluded after QR3 but before PO; their place in PO was taken by Differdange, who they beat in QR3 |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 08-08-2013, 16:35
| The ban for Fenerbahçe and Besiktas was already for this season. It is only suspended untill the final CAS ruling. So it would surprise me very much if when CAS bans them, it will be for next season and not for this season.
And then I see only 1 option for filling the GS spots, and that is filling them by the teams they beat in Q4. Others Turkish teams can't be suddenly transfered to GS without playing the QR's. |
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Author: Philipp
Date: 08-08-2013, 16:50
| Is that scenario likely if we consider that Fenerbahce will be banned after the playoffs?
Fenerbahces CLQ4-opponent: CLGS
Salzburg: ELGS
Salzburgs ELQ4-opponent: ELGS |
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Author: Talesin
Date: 09-08-2013, 13:26
| When do we get the decision on the turkish clubs? Can't find this information. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 09-08-2013, 13:29
| After the playoffs but before the group stage draw (so that the clubs that actually will take part are in the pots). |
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Author: simonk
Date: 09-08-2013, 16:16
| Horst Heldt, manager of Schalke said that according to their informaton no club would replace Metalist in the playoffs so that Schalke would get a bye. In 2011 Volou was replaced too, and the exclusion was also a week later. But PAOK has already been drawn for the EL playoffs what wouldn't make it easier. |
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Author: shisraelit
Date: 09-08-2013, 17:23
Edited by: shisraelit
at: 09-08-2013, 17:24 | if metalist make appeal,the decision will arrive before group stage draw? Metalist would be in pot 3 in cl and in pot 1 in el,so if schalke win,in the el groups paok could take the place in pot 1 and maccabi in pot 2 in the place of paok???
And the decision by cas for fenerbache and besiktas when arrive? Before the group stage draw but after the first leg? And if cas ban both teams, tromso and zalgiris are directly in el gs?
Thanks in advance for the answers... |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 09-08-2013, 19:29
| @simonk
If the Metalist decision is next week, then I think there is time enough to replace Metalist with PAOK in CL-Q4. PAOK's opponent in EL-Q4 (Maccabi Tel Aviv) would then get a bye.
If the decision is later, then it will be to late to still reschedule the matches and the most logical would be to give Schalke a bye. And then maybe you can also cancel the Maccabi Tel Aviv-PAOK matches and send them both into EL-GS. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 09-08-2013, 23:08
| On Tuesday we know what happens with Metalist. But I hope that UEFA will announce soon what happens if Fenerbahce and/or Besiktas will be banned. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 09-08-2013, 23:41
| Horst Heldt from Schalke also said that the risk for Metalist getting banned goes to 0 (do you say that in English?) |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 10-08-2013, 08:05
| In a kicker.de article with Horst Heldt it is said that UEFA will decide what changes to make after the decision of the Appeals Body.
Wegen vermeintlicher Verwicklung in Spielabsprachen aus dem Jahr 2008 leitete die UEFA ein Disziplinarverfahren gegen Metalist ein. Am Dienstag wird der Fall vor dem UEFA-Berufungsgericht verhandelt. Was im Fall eines Ausschlusses passieren würde, steht noch nicht fest. Der Verband will darüber erst nach dem Gerichtsurteil entscheiden. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 10-08-2013, 11:10
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 10-08-2013, 11:11 | Let's put all possible situations in a row when teams are removed from CL or EL:
1) team is removed before playing any matches
2) team is removed after playing matches, but before the next round starts
3) team is removed during a round
Recent cases (2011) for all 3 situations:
1) Fenerbahçe --> replaced by other Turkish team (Trabzonspor)
2) Volou --> replaced by team they beat in previous round (Differdange)
3) Trabzonspor --> opponent gets a bye
So when any team is banned (or moved up) within the next couple of weeks (Metalist, Fenerbahçe, Besiktas, teams that are moved up because of the bans) you can just assign any of the 3 above situations for it:
-Metalist ban on 13 August --> 2)
-Fenerbahçe and/or Besiktas ban on 27-30 August --> 2) or 3) depending if 2nd leg is already played
-teams moving up because of Metalist and/or Fenerbahçe ban --> 3)
PS: If PAOK is moved up on 13 August, then situation 2) applies, but since PAOK didn't beat any team yet if will have to turn to situation 3) |
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Author: apurvdanke
Date: 10-08-2013, 16:22
Edited by: apurvdanke
at: 10-08-2013, 16:26 | the whole situation is so messy and complicated and is the doing of UEFA. first they should ensure that the clubs whom they're banning are proved guilty before any draws are made. but they didnt do that, the clubs went to CAS which has created this kind of situation.
Now if Fener or Besiktas or Metalist are banned by CAS, and I see some of you saying that the opponents they beat should replace them, isnt that being unfair to those teams which would have replaced these 3 teams if they were proved guilty by the final authority before any draw was made ? they would feel why they were not given a chance to qualify from the starting point ? (im refering to clubs like bursaspor, kayserispor, kasimpasa, dynamo kiev etc.)
furthermore, if the losing opponents are chosen to replace them, then UEFA or CAS are unknowingly (or knowingly) downgrading the respective country coefficients, and putting their association's access list for the coming seasons in serious jeopardy. if u take fener and besiktas, they are 2 of the best 3 teams in turkey. so u can imagine the kind of negative impact it will have on their country coefficient. in that scenario probably galatasaray would have to make semi-final or final of CL and trabzonspor(the other turkish side left in EL) would have to go far in EL, to maintain their place in the 10-12 country ranking.
to sort this mess out I will say again which I said in another thread earlier, if they're banned by CAS, and the CAS judges use some logic ;the ban should come into effect from next season. these teams should be allowed to participate this season. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 10-08-2013, 19:05
| UEFA has done nothing wrong. They have banned clubs based on the evidence and information they have received. That is entirely correct.
Of course, the clubs in questions see the matter entirely different. Hence, they have taken the case to CAS. Nothing wrong with that either, from their POV. If they all win... there is no problem whatsoever.
If they lose, the teams should be not replaced by other teams from their country. See past examples:
Fenerbahce banned from CL in 11/12 - Trabzonspor took their CL spot, but no-one took Trabzonspor's EL spot. As the first leg of ELPO was already played, their opponents had a bye.
Olympiakos Volou banned from EL in 11/12 - No greek team took their spot in EL. As this ban was ordered before ELPO 1st Leg, their beaten opponents in ELQR3, Differdange, took their place in ELPO.
You argue that Turkey will be at a disadvantage by having teams withdrawn, but not replaced with teams from Turkey. True. But Turkey will receive an advantage by having teams who qualified for CL/EL GS replaced with teams who wouldnt have otherwise qualified. Also the teams will gain an advantage by having enter the competition at a more advanced stage than they should have.
Look at my earlier post. If Fenerbahce and Besiktas make the GS, and are replaced by other Turkish clubs... their relative access list position shifts from 11 to 6.
If Fenerbahce is to be replaced with Bursaspor, then CLQR3 will have to be replayed entirely as Fenerbahce was seeded in this round and Bursaspor would be unseeded [Actually maybe not, as the team that will jump to being seeded would be PAOK, so they could just play each other>.
As the result will not be known until the day before, when the CLPO are complete, it is virtually impossible for matches to replayed. You will need 4 extra match dates: CL and EL QR3L1, L2, POL1 and L2 to allow for direct replacement for Turkish and/or Ukraine clubs. The domestic fixture list is already at saturation point, adding 4 more matches is going to add to further fixture congestion.
If I was a team who lost to Fenerbahce/Metalist or even a team that lost in QR3... I would be ******** ****** off that a team who should have start at the same stage as them are being placed in the GS thanks to events outside their control.
With regard to when the bans should be enforced, the Turkish clubs were banned for this season, and this season is when they should be taken, not next year, or the next year they qualify. They broken the rules and regulation. The should be banned immediately, which they were.
It is unfair for those who qualified this year, and an advantage for those who qualify next year. How would Fenerbahce/Besiktas approach this season knowing next year they can not take part.... play full strength squads in the CL/EL this year getting as far as possible and getting as much prize money as they can and sacrifice league position know they arent going to be in europe regardless?
I really hope that if Fenerbahce and Besiktas are banned, that the ban to them is extended as punishment for allowing all this mess to take place. Its them why all this is happening, hence why they should be severely punished. |
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Author: apurvdanke
Date: 10-08-2013, 19:42
| my main concern is that UEFA knew that clubs would goto CAS to appeal against its decisions (whether they are guilty or not is another matter altogether), or at least they knew that the clubs had a right of appealing to CAS. they should've known better.
in the ideal scenario, uefa should have only taken a decision to ban them from the draws after either; the clubs accepted its decision or, after final ruling by CAS.
now if the clubs are banned by CAS even after having entered into the respective competitions, it creates a situation where the concerned associations would feel they've been hard done by.
If I were the turkish or ukraine association boss, i would rather have the clean teams(who are not facing any charges) from my FA entering the competitions at its starting stage, rather than have my teams being kicked out midway into the competition through judicial rulings OR to bring the ban into effect from next season.
uefa should not allow such a situation to occur where one team is kicked out midway into a competition and replace it with a loser, because of events for which IT is responsible. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 10-08-2013, 19:45
| UEFA dont pick the teams who enter.... The national FA's do
If the Turkish FA didnt want them to enter, they should not have given them a license to compete. |
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Author: apurvdanke
Date: 10-08-2013, 20:18
Edited by: apurvdanke
at: 10-08-2013, 20:20 | its not about the picking and choosing of the teams by the respective national FA's...its about uefa's practice/process of kicking out a team(s) midway through a competition which i feel is wrong.
this is akin to, say for instance; england qualify to next WC via a playoff, and just when the WC is about to start, FIFA gets information about english FA of some wrong doing, gets evidence, and bans england from WC, and hands its spot to the country which england beat in the playoff. then england appeal to CAS and they get back their WC spot pending a hearing. Meanwhile, england tops their group and qualifies for last 16. Now, CAS upholds FIFA ruling. So in the middle of WC, FIFA enters the 2nd and 3rd placed teams from the same group into the last 16. Imagine the kind of ugly situation it could be.
to avoid such circumstances, i already mentioned what uefa should do in my previous post. |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 10-08-2013, 20:59
| These cases are not about the usual licensing process (rules and process defined by UEFA, implemented by national FAs). All 3 cases are about match fixing. The UEFA congress (with representatives of all national associations) recently adopted the regulations to fight match fixing as a top priority.
See Jan 2013 and Jun 2013.
Clubs now confirm in writing that they are not involved in any activity aimed at arranging or influencing the outcome of a match. Article 2.05 explicitly calls UEFA to take action once it becomes known that a club was involved in match fixing since 2007.
So if you take the fight against match fixing serious then UEFA is doing the right thing. Even if it complicates the qualification of teams for European football. And UEFA can never prevent clubs to go to CAS in order to appeal a UEFA decision. |
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Author: apurvdanke
Date: 10-08-2013, 21:25
| lets just wait and see what CAS has to say. then things would become clear. |
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Author: simonk
Date: 14-08-2013, 12:30
| http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1981054.html |
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Author: Vovo
Date: 14-08-2013, 14:52
| UEFA Emergency panel will meet later today to decide what to do. Since the country Ukraine is not to blame, it would be most fair to replace Metalist with Dynamo Kiev, i.e. DKiev will meet Schalke in the last CLQR. With implications for EL as well.
Then PAOK may find this unfair, but the calendar has no place for a home-away-meeting PAOK-DKiev in CLQR3. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 14-08-2013, 15:11
| @VoVo
Dinamo Kyiv didn't earn a direct spot in CL-Q4, so why put them there?
Most fair would be to let Dinamo Kyiv replay with PAOK in CL-Q3, but there is no time for that.
2nd most fair is to give the CL-Q4 spot to PAOK since they lost to a club that shouldn't have been there in the first place. |
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Author: ransborg
Date: 14-08-2013, 15:28
| My guess will also be that they allow PAOK to play Schalke. More interesting is what they will do in EL then. Allow Maccabi in without a match? Promote AZ as Dutch CW, highest ranked contry without direct CW-qualification, and leaving Atromitos with Maccabi? Or promote a lucky looser, from Q3 which could either be Metalurh Donetsk who would have been in play-off if Metalist had been out, or Club Bruge as the highest ranked team eliminated in Q3. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 14-08-2013, 15:47
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 14-08-2013, 15:50 | Promote AZ as Dutch CW, highest ranked contry without direct CW-qualification
That would be nice, but I dont believe there is a chance for that to happen. Most likely Maccabi Tel Aviv will just get a bye when PAOK is moved back up to the CL. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 14-08-2013, 16:01
| My guess:
PAOK to CLPO
Maccabi Tel-Aviv to ELGS
There isnt really an obvious replaced for PAOK in ELPO, as they dropped down from CLQR3, and havent played a team.
If normal access list rules are applied to vacant spots... then the ELPO spot should go to ISR-CW, which would work as Hapoel Ramat Gan lost in ELQR3. But then 2 Israeli teams would play each other!!! |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 14-08-2013, 16:13
| Forza said: "Dinamo Kyiv didn't earn a direct spot in CL-Q4, so why put them there?".
One might argue that the qualification of Metalist for CL was invalid, and thus Dinamo Kiev earnes the right to play CL. The CAS verdict was not known at the time of the nomination of Metalist by the Ukrainian FA.
Though I agree with you that the option of PAOK replacing Metalist in CL-Q4 is more likely. |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 14-08-2013, 16:31
| You might indeed say that Dinamo Kyiv earns CL, but that is not CLQ4. |
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Author: KRBY
Date: 14-08-2013, 16:37
| Since we have examples from the past, UEFA must do the same like other cases, otherwise it will be unfair for teams like PAOK or Maccabi.
As you remember, Trabzonspor and Differendage replaced Fener and Volos after their ban. Fener hadn't play yet a match in the European Competitions, so they were replaced by Trabzon, despite their elimination in Q3 and despite they played at ELPO the first leg. because they had the right of the spot of the Turkish Champions. Their EL opponents got a BYE to EL Groups.
That didn't happen the same with Volos. They had already played two rounds, so Differendage which were beaten, replaced them. neither the next Greek team or the Rad Belgrade which they beat in Q2 replaced them.
So Fener must be replaced by Salzburg ans Metalist by PAOK. Zalgiris and Maccabi must get a bye to EL Group.
As about Besiktas, since haven't played an opponent yet, and remembering the Trabzon case, Besiktas must be replaced by Bursaspor.
They will be Turkey's third spot which gives right to PO.
Anything else will be scandalous, since those decision have already been taken in similar cases in the past. |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 14-08-2013, 16:47
| The only fair thing UEFA can do right now is be consistent.
According to the UEFA article, Metalist have the right to appeal to CAS... so this is going to drag on for a bit longer too!! |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 14-08-2013, 17:28
Edited by: alexmorgan
at: 14-08-2013, 17:30 | http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1981184.html
I think this is the right choice |
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Author: Vovo
Date: 14-08-2013, 18:20
| With this decision UEFA is also 'punishing' Ucraine as a country. This is the easiest way out for UEFA, and they normally choose that way, even if it is unjust....Anyway, acording to BBC:
"Ukraine's Metalist Kharkiv, who are due to play Schalke 04 in the Champions League play-off round later this month, have said they will appeal Uefa's decision to kick them out of the competition over a domestic match-fixing case dating back to 2008.
"We regret that such a sanction was applied, and we do not agree with it, that's why today we plan to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne," Metalist first vice president Kostyantyn Pyvovarov said in a statement.
"Also, we have appealed to the Supreme Court of Switzerland with the application for suspension of CAS decision.
"I want to remind you that the match, which allegedly took place, was held back in 2008, with the old owners of the club. At the same time, Metalist has won the right to participate in the Champions League 2013/14 in a fair fight." |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 14-08-2013, 19:07
| "Metalist has won the right to participate in the Champions League 2013/14 in a fair fight."
This might be true, however clubs have to sign at entering the CL/EL that they weren't involved in match fixing since 2007. So Metalist don't fullfill all criteria for participating in CL and have to be excluded. |
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Author: ransborg
Date: 14-08-2013, 22:02
| So at the end of the day Metalist goes to CAS, and UEFA follows the tradition of keeping them in the tournament until CAS rules?
It will make drawing Metalist as 1st seed in EL or 3rd seed in CL extremely attractive... |
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Author: judac
Date: 16-08-2013, 17:36
| CAS rejects the application of FC Matalist Kharkiv:
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1981726.html |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-08-2013, 11:33
| waiting, waiting, waiting.... |
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Author: alexmorgan
Date: 28-08-2013, 12:37
Edited by: alexmorgan
at: 28-08-2013, 12:42 | Metalist and Fenerbahce excluded.
UEFA to decide tomorrow who takes Fenerbahces ELGS place (my guess is that Salzburg and Zalgiris match tomorrow will be cancelled and both will progress to ELGS).
The case involving Besiktas not yet announced. |
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