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Author: luckyluke
Date: 06-08-2013, 18:26
| there is still a lot faking during the game in order to lose some time.
player is lying down almost dead and usually spends more than a minute to exit the field. after a few seconds he is ready to enter the game.
these guys should be punished for faking with a yellow card.
for example in rugby, where tackles are much stronger, it is allowed for medical staff to enter the field and give some help to the injured player without stoping a game.
there are few options to solve this problem in football:
- uefa should consider to introduce a rule that if player is unable to exit the game without help he should stay out for at least 10 or 15 minutes
- for really injured players referee will still have an option to let them in before 10 or 15 min if he thinks that injury was real or if there was a case of bleeding
- referee must add minimum a minute for each injury, which they usually don?t do |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 06-08-2013, 19:07
| Another solution: Stop the clock when a player has an injury. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 06-08-2013, 19:34
| possible solution but you still break the rhythm of the game |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 06-08-2013, 20:10
| When there is a real injury yes, but I imagine players will not fake an injury that often any more if they know all time will be added. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 06-08-2013, 21:09
| it is still happening very often, so something have to be done |
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Author: Lorric
Date: 06-08-2013, 21:27
| Hate this. So glad it doesn't go on in England (much) and less so in Europe (and Africa) than anywhere else. South America and parts of Europe are bad, but the worst offenders in this department for me are Central American and Middle Eastern teams. |
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Author: MudHen
Date: 07-08-2013, 07:48
| How would the referee or anybody else for that matter know if an injury is real or not? |
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Author: executor
Date: 07-08-2013, 08:20
| luckyluke: - uefa should consider to introduce a rule that if player is unable to exit the game without help he should stay out for at least 10 or 15 minutes
:facepalm:
You know what will happen, right? Players will try to provoke serious injuries on opponents, even if they get yellow cards, cause then they will have numerical advantage for 10-15min.
Way to go, "Einstein"...
No matter how much we dislike faking injuries, we just can't punish players that are injured for real. It's like in the justice system: better let 10 guilty persons free than lock up an innocent person. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 07-08-2013, 08:48
| well einstein, if a player provokes sirious injury I believe that he can receive red card.
I gave rugby example where tackles are much stronger. there is no reason this can not function in football.
or we can simplify things so that referee does not allow anyone to enter the field. compare the number of tackles when player is coming back into game and tackles when player have to be substituted due to a injury.
and remember definition of football: it is a game of speed, strength and tactics |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 07-08-2013, 08:57
| mudhen
well no one can know is it a real injury or fake. but you can make assessment how strong tackle was? referees should know a lot more about all aspects of the game then usual fan. and they are payed to make decisions and to protect team which wants to score.
on the other hand for a small injuries player is max 25m from any line of the field. you can walk this distance with "one leg"
however, player should be punished somehow if he is ready to enter a game just a few seconds after he gets out almost dead |
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Author: executor
Date: 07-08-2013, 09:00
| well einstein, if a player provokes sirious injury I believe that he can receive red card.
If I had a dollar for every time a red card should've been awarded and wasn't...
You might not like the current situation but:
a. it's not such a great offense, not game-breaking, and refs usually take into consideration those wasted minutes.
b. the alternative would be to punish fair players who have bad luck, which is unacceptable.
So, just get over it and focus on something more important. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 07-08-2013, 09:07
| a) it is a game breaking and refs usually do not add enough of the wasted time
b) I gave few options where only fakers are punished. simmilar to penalty diving
and check few matches with such teams, especially in qualifying level.
however the idea was to open discussion and find best solution, not to get patronized by anyone |
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Author: bert.kassies
Date: 07-08-2013, 10:33
| What I like from rugby is the usual fast way they resume interrupted play. And for me a nice football match has a certain flow that should be interrupted as few times as possible. So no refs that forbid a team to take a free-kick fast, players of the opposite team who move towards the location of the free-kick within 10 yards are penalised, etc.
This is no solution to faking an injury. In fact the only real solution might be to stop time. But the result will probably be the opposite of what I like (see above). The game will look like American football, with lots of interrupts, and short periods of play. Maybe an injured player should be sidelined for at least the amount of time the play was interrupted. |
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Author: executor
Date: 07-08-2013, 10:39
| Misjudged off-side positions, wrong awarded penalties or red cards are game-breaking, not 2-3 min wasted because of injuries, fake or not.
Your solutions don't just punish the fakers, they punish EVERYONE, even those who are injured for real, hence they cannot be taken into consideration. Any rule that punishes fair players is wrong from the start.
I understand that you're very annoyed by such fakers, but giving advices such as "hopping in one leg to the side line" is just very wrong. You can't actually expect a player with a real injury to do that. It would be extremely unfair. And inhuman. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 07-08-2013, 11:04
| no player should be forced to go out on one leg. that was irony towards fakers.
real question is to compare how many times help was given on the field and player continue to play immediately and how many times it was a real injury.
of course I dont want to punish not guilty players but problem is there and it should be solved.
for example:
team needs a goal and makes a pressure towards opposite team. as pressure continues and lasts 10 or 15 or 20 min it is normal to expect that goal will be scored. the longest the pressure is, the bigger chance for scoring are, because defending team will lose concentration in guarding player or field.
now if defending team will interrupt this situation 3 or 4 times with fake injuries they will directly decrease chanses for atacking team to score. |
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Author: executor
Date: 07-08-2013, 12:46
| Under the current regulations, a player that was accompanied outside the pitch for medical care cannot re-enter without the ref's approval. And I feel this is enough. A ref can judge if someone faked an injury and can leave him on the sideline waving desperately for dozens of seconds, or if he was indeed injured and allow him back immediately. Why complicate things?
Sure, some refs are bad and don't make this distinction. But then again, they might take a lot of other bad decisions. So, for me, it's not such a big issue.
And about the fact that the attacks get interrupted: I think you are cuddling them too much. Next thing you'll ask for the spectators to be quiet, cause the attacking team can't focus. These are small nuissances that a real team should be able to overcome without complaining. |
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Author: luckyluke
Date: 07-08-2013, 12:53
| you have gone wide. uefa is making quiet teatres on stadiums, not me.
and yes, football is played only for REAL teams (manu, bayern, real, juve, barca...).
maybe you can propose to close all the other clubs who doesnt have REAL team and players who can easily win any other competitor
but in the end you have propose the same thing: ref should not allow player to enter the field for some time. |
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Author: germanyfrance33
Date: 07-08-2013, 13:23
| It's true,not the most important thing in the world,but surely it's very annoying.
Especially the act to throw the ball out as soon as a player is down.The intentions of that "rule" were maybe good but it ended up used as tactics and not as fair play.
The ref should decide when to stop the game not the players.
They could add a minute for every injury like they add 30secs for every change.For real though... |
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Author: Lorric
Date: 07-08-2013, 16:38
| Faking injury is a legit tactic to throw the other team off their game. Ask yourself how hard it is to focus on a task if you keep getting interrupted as opposed to if you can keep going with it and build up momentum. Imagine the frustration of having to refocus and and get back in "the zone" over and over again.
It's also good if you're a less fit team. |
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