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Author: Lorric
Date: 30-05-2013, 03:01

I'm sure it's just a stupid error, but...

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=eng/news/newsid=1957706.html

Meanwhile, Teteks are the Macedonian Wigan:

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=mkd/news/newsid=1957566.html

"Before the match I told my players that I want them to achieve the same feat that Wigan Athletic was able to do in England and they succeeded. We are the Macedonian Wigan!"

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-05-2013, 08:53	The people that write these reviews have no idea about access list and other seeding issues. Every year there are a lot of mistakes in these reviews.

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Ricardo Date: 30-05-2013, 09:54	Well, it is a fear I have for the new changes, with for top 3: - 3 teams straight to CL-GS and - 2 teams straight to EL-GS - 1 team in CL-PO, meaning either CL-GS or EL-GS - 1 team in EL-PO, just 1 KO round While nr 10 on the ranking will have to start 2 teams in Q1. This would to me be completely unacceptable

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 30-05-2013, 10:56

And the reasoning UEFA gives is that teams from lower ranked countries have an easier path to the EL-GS because they can't meet teams from the top countries.
Total bullshit of course, since there will be far less spots available in the EL-GS through the QR's. So in fact less teams from lower ranked countries will be in the GS since teams from the big countries won't have a chance to suffer an upset (or play each other) in the last QR's.

Author: Lorric
Date: 30-05-2013, 15:40

Yeah, you've already seen the vulnerability topic I made. They don't have anywhere near enough trouble dealing with these teams to justify this free ride to the group stage. With the CL it's a good thing for the smaller teams. Not the EL. Even if cup winners weren't prioritised, I'm sure it would still not be justifiable.

However, I'd be very surprised if the 2 in Q1 vs 1 in PO thing happened. I predict everyone left will have to negotiate at least 2 rounds. Only teams in the PO will be CLQ3 drops.

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Lorric Date: 30-05-2013, 15:42 Edited by: Lorric at: 30-05-2013, 15:43	Actually, if they had to do this, the fairest way would be to put the 16 highest coefficients in the GS. These teams would be proven European players and nightmare draws for an unseed. And thus it also wouldn't be a closed shop, anyone can get into the 16 if they perform well enough.

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-05-2013, 16:11	Teams don't qualify for Europe by their European performance in the last 5 seasons, so it would be unfair to give teams with a higher coefficient a place in the GS, while teams that finished higher in the domestic league have to start earlier.

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Lorric Date: 30-05-2013, 21:14	Oh I don't dispute that. I don't think anyone should be getting a free ride into the GS. I was just saying if you had to do it, supposedly for the benefit of the smaller teams, that would be the way to go.

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: mudhen Date: 31-05-2013, 15:07	The idea that nobody will start in the PO is absurd. It's like having 80 teams start in R1 and 20 in R3, but none in R2. There can't be a gap that big between entries. Personally, I would change other things. Like for example, why do the loosers of CLQR3 and 4 go to El, but The loosers from the first two rounds don't?

Re: All English teams straight to the ELGS
Author: Lorric Date: 31-05-2013, 17:38 Edited by: Lorric at: 31-05-2013, 17:39	I've said before that I think CLQ1 and CLQ2 losers should drop to ELQ2 and ELQ3. I think either very few or no teams will start in the playoff round because they need to whittle down so many teams for so few places. Something akin to the Champions Path, no one starts in the playoff round there. And only 3 teams start in Q3. I think plenty more will start in ELQ3 though.