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| Can you reject your fair play entry? | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-05-2013, 20:29 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-05-2013, 20:33 | And if so, what happens? I found this thread on a Liverpool forum, Liverpool would be currently set to represent England if England makes the top 3. The Suarez thing doesn't count against them, as retrospective action is not considered. Their manager intends to snub the fair play place in favour of a money-spinning Asian tour: http://forums.liverpoolfc.com/threads/337135-Rodgers-prefers-to-snub-Europa-Lea gue-competitions-if-Liverpool-qualify-via-Fair-Play Dream on, Liverpool. You don't have what it takes anymore to qualify for the Champions League. They're not even the best team on Merseyside anymore. Barring a collapse, this will be the second season straight Everton finish higher up the table than them. Liverpool are 5pts off Everton and 10pts off the CL places with 3 games left. Utter foolishness, I honestly believe the Europa League helped Liverpool's season this year. Yeah, I'm sure friendly games in Indonesia and Australia are going to help the team more than competitive Europa League fixtures...  Oh yeah, and just throw a chunk of your big European coefficient in the garbage while you're at it, eh, Liverpool? 23.000/78.449 will drop, they'll feel that, that's pot 2 to pot 3 in the CL if they did somehow pull it off... |
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| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 02-05-2013, 23:55 | Agreed. Instead of being grateful and happy and be prepared for grabbing the opportunity if really arrives, he shows utter disrespect and stupidity. They would start only in the 2nd round I heard, but in the northern group they might be paired with a team from the Faroer Islands or Iceland etc. Their best 11 won`t be needed to reach the 3rd round, so he talks baloney about early training start for their established players. Dream on Liverpool, CL won`t come so fast, and when it comes you might find yourself in the lowest rated group. |
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| Author: Lorric
Date: 03-05-2013, 00:03 Edited by: Lorric at: 03-05-2013, 00:03 | Have they changed the rules? I read right through the thread as I was watching the Chelsea match and several people seemed to think it started in the 2nd round, when every year I've seen the fair play teams start in the first. And do we have regionalisation at Europa level now then? 21 page thread and only one person mentioned the seedings |
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| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 03-05-2013, 00:49 | I don`t know about rule changes and it`s true FP teams always started in the 1st round, but that`s what I remember read somewhere that they`d start in the 2nd round. Maybe it`s a misunderstanding. I think the first 2 rounds always regionalization draws, maybe even the 3rd one. I was always hoping to get a juicy northern team for an eastern team, but never materialized. |
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| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 03-05-2013, 01:25 | I`ve found an article that says they`d start on July 18th and that`s the 2nd round 1st leg date (I`ve doublechecked), but no actual mentioning they`d enter only in the 2nd round. Here`s one fan`s opinion, I`m not alone it seems of my distaste for this guy. ``If he really wanted the club to progress, even if it was via Fair play we should welcome every opportunity. He has been moaning about lack of financial support and LFC not being able to compete against the big boys financially yet he refuses what would be a major financial boost that could be put to very good use if he really intend to improve the team. Also it will attract more players, and could be used to pursuade a certain player from leaving the club. Rodgers is afraid that this might give the fans another delusion that LFC should qualify for Europe every year for he knows that he is not the material for such job and is tryin everything to avoid that pressure. Coward and incapable. I hate this fat clown.`` |
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| Author: paul7
Date: 03-05-2013, 02:40 | Rodgers is just a coach,not a club owner to decide to play or not to play.in the end i think Liverpool can use in the first 3 rounds the team calling Liverpool-3 with 17-18 years old boys.no serious opponents from unseeded part in this rounds.plus Suarez(i hope with mask)) in front,and game on. |
| Re: Can you reject your fair play entry? | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 03-05-2013, 05:05 Edited by: Lorric at: 03-05-2013, 05:26 | There are some potentially tricky unseeded ties in Q3. Certainly too much for a bunch of kids to handle I would think. Red Star are unseeded in Q3, Sion who might have taken out Celtic last year if they hadn't cheated, Videoton who were in the group stage this year and caused surprises, Sigma who I saw absolutely murder Aberdeen home and away one year (Liverpool struggled against Hearts this year) and a few others who shouldn't be able to stand up to the full Liverpool team, but would certainly cause problems for a second string, and certainly be favourites against a bunch of kids. Q2 has a few such teams too. EDIT: Sigma smashing Aberdeen: 5-1 in Scotland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_B_BqRG2eE 3-0 at home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvQsIRWCFNk Aberdeen were the seeded team. I bet you'd struggle to find a seed lose worse than 8-1 on aggregate...  EDIT 2: Look who Sigma faced after defeating Aberdeen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EUtj5LI75A I remember that match now. Remember being worried after the destruction of Aberdeen. Excellent performance by Everton. Sigma will have bad memories of Merseyside. |
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| Author: TimJohnson
Date: 03-05-2013, 09:18 | Fair Play entrants start in Qualifying Round 1. As far as I am aware no club has turned down a fair play position and I assume that UEFA would take a dim view of it. When English clubs played reserve players in the Intertoto they were then banned for a season for bringing the tournament into disrepute. |
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| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 03-05-2013, 10:43 | Surely it would be more beneficial to the club to be in Europe, through whatever qualification method, than have no European football at all. Especially for a club with the history of Liverpool |
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| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 03-05-2013, 11:26 | If there are less than 3 teams winning a fair play award (by failing the 8.000 fair play coefficient), the uefa ruling says these entrys remain open, reducing the numer of teams playing in q1. So, i would say, rejection of a fair play ticket would reduce the numer of q1 team to 76, giving one team da direct entry to q2. But: UEFA give the fair play award to english FA, not L'pool. If L'pool say they don't want that ticket, FA could simply give the english ticket to another club. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 03-05-2013, 12:12 | If Liverpool don't want the FP-ticket they can just not apply for a European licence for 2013-14. Teams that have no licence can't play in EL. |
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| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 03-05-2013, 14:56 | I think that application (and paying the application fee to UEFA) has to be done in march or so latest. It is definitly long before teams know if they will get an an entry, or not. |
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| Author: Lorric
Date: 03-05-2013, 16:11 | @ TimJohnson I've never heard of that. Can you provide a source? |
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| Author: TimJohnson
Date: 03-05-2013, 16:54 Edited by: TimJohnson at: 03-05-2013, 16:54 | Sorry it was not English Clubs being banned but Wimbledon and Tottenham Hotspur for one season and England lost a UEFA Cup place the next season 1996-97.It was after the 1995 Intertoto Cup.Sheff Wed was the other English team. I googled Wimbledon Intertoto. |
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| Author: duncshine
Date: 03-05-2013, 17:20 | ... On Sky Sports News they now have Brendan Rodgers saying something said as a joke was taken out of context, and that Liverpool WOULD take up their Fair Play spot if offered it... Interestingly, off the back of the original story, Southampton boss Pochettino has now said his team would reject the FP slot. |
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| Author: Lorric
Date: 03-05-2013, 17:21 | Hmmm. I found it. I wonder if the Intertoto was not optional at that point. People talk about the Europa League being bloated, ho ho ho, it looks gentle compared to the old Intertoto format, having to win a 5 team group, then win three KO ties just to qualify for the UEFA Cup first round. Although it was straight KO then. And Bordeaux went to the final that year! What a ride they went on, first they topped a group which contained Odense, HJK Helsinki, Norrkoping and Bohemians, then they eliminated Frankfurt, Heerenveen and Karlsruhe (looking like a Malko wet dream here, run to the final, already disposed of two German sides) to get into the UEFA Cup, then KOd Vardar, Rotor Volgograd, Real Betis, AC Milan and Slavia Prague before the Malko wet dream came to a screeching halt with a 5-1 defeat at the hands of Bayern Munich in the final. And in the semis, Barcelona fell before Bayern, though the seven goals this time were split into a 4-3 aggregate. |
| Re: Can you reject your fair play entry? | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 03-05-2013, 17:29 | @ duncshine Here's the Southampton thing you were referring to: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8687375/Southampton-to-turn-down- chance-to-play-in-Europa-League Southampton, really? What the hell are they doing throwing away Europe?! Why wouldn't a club like that want to be in Europe? I was thinking I'd like to see what Southampton could do, back to back promotions, progressive club, and now they do that... So, this is supposedly why... "We would not accept it either if we were awarded that possibility," Pochettino said." "We have spoken with the chairman and decided not to take that offer because I think in football what you are awarded in football needs to be earned on the pitch." "We will only accept possibilities when we've earned them on the pitch and not just by fair play, but actually earning it with points and results." Just about any other club I'd call bullshit, but a club getting back to back promotions then Premier League survival, currently in a respectable 13th in the table, I can give them the benefit of the doubt. Winning mentality at that club I think. |