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Author: Lorric
Date: 22-04-2013, 18:26
Edited by: Lorric
at: 22-04-2013, 18:28

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Pot B

Atletico Madrid
Lyon
Shakhtar
Milan
Schalke
Marseille
CSKA Moscow
PSG

Pot C

Juventus
Zenit
Manchester City
Ajax
Basel
Dortmund
Olympiakos
Galatasaray

They look about equal to me I guess. But Pot C contains two teams that are still in Europe in Basel and Dortmund, who continue their private coefficent duel, while Pot B has none, and two teams who were defeated in the CL quarter finals. I wonder if Pot B's only such team, PSG, could also somehow be pushed down into Pot C, although that would push Galatasaray presumably to Pot D. There's also Manchester City. I'll be the first to tell you they've never been a threat in Europe, but maybe it's time for them to "do a Dortmund" and do something after several failures.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 22-04-2013, 18:58	There's a lot of strength in Pot C. Thing with Dortmund, PSG and Man City is that they're only emerging in the last couple of years in European terms so their pots may not accurately reflect their current standing, but they're lower as four years ago they were either performing poorly in Europe or simply not there

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: SirHenri Date: 22-04-2013, 19:52 Edited by: SirHenri at: 22-04-2013, 19:52	@ Lorric Let Valencia regain 4th place in Spain, and all of a sudden PSG is down to Pot C. From german view, the most interesting point is, wether Leverkusen will really go down to Pot D or if they can avoid this. Therefor, at least 2 surprises have to happen Go Dnipro, Real Sociedad, St. Etienne, Pacos etc etc

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Lorric Date: 22-04-2013, 19:58	Manchester City falling into Pot C could be a good thing for them instead of a bad thing which is why I asked the question btw, although even if that wasn't a factor, I'd be curious. Pot B just doesn't have teams that jump out at you like Pot C does.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 22-04-2013, 20:12	just for Malko: Pot C has Dortmund, Pot B has PSG, so yea, Pot C is stronger than B this year.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: reisanibal Date: 22-04-2013, 21:01	@ SirHenri Chelsea/Arsenal/Tottenham, Lyon/Marseille, Milan, Schalke, Zenit. They will probably be the seeded teams in PO round of Non-Ch route. If not, replace one or two with Metalist/Dinamo Kiev and PSV. Since there is always at least one unseeded team who passes the qualification, I think Leverkusen will be in Pot 3 next year.

Author: Lorric
Date: 24-04-2013, 22:31
Edited by: Lorric
at: 24-04-2013, 22:32

Dortmund boosting the quality of pot C tonight.

If Lewandowski is going to deliver a performance at Wembley, I hope it's in the CL final, and not the World Cup qualifier against England. Let him get it out of his system in the CL final please!

Of course, Dortmund could take the cup, and go direct to Pot A...

It will be funny if Dortmund lose via penalties in the final after a superb match. Not because Dortmund lose, but to see the reaction from people when Dortmund show up in pot C for the next CL!

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 24-04-2013, 23:54	Amazing couple of nights for the German teams. Whichever pot Dortmund are in next season, they will be a team everyone will want to avoid

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Lorric Date: 25-04-2013, 00:36	Another amusing scenario would be for Dortmund to take the cup this year, going to pot A, then lose in the final on penalties next year after an incredible campaign and appear to be punished by dropping to Pot B after that.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Zarastro Date: 25-04-2013, 01:27	@Lorric If Dortmund wins the CL (doesn't sound so crazy anmore, does it) and would be actually able to reach the final, it might actually be enough to get them in pot A depending on how many teams in front of them fail to qualify (Dortmund would have a team coefficient of ca. 100p.).

Author: Lorric
Date: 25-04-2013, 01:43
Edited by: Lorric
at: 25-04-2013, 02:27

I don't think they would, I think they'd be in the 90s, which could be enough, but probably wouldn't be.

They currently have 32.414 this season and a total of 60.751. Drop 4.534 and add whatever they might get if they win the CL this year and a bit less for next year and you're looking at the 90s. Low 90s perhaps, since this time they haven't even lost a match and are the current no.1 points earner this season. You don't need to do that well to reach a CL final.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: vavact2 Date: 25-04-2013, 15:00	I'm sure you guys have discussed this already, but I haven't read it. Was there any CL winner coming from pot 4? Or could Dortmund be the first?

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: SirHenri Date: 25-04-2013, 15:17	The only Pot-4 team in a CL-final was Monaco, but they lost it, so that would be the first time, if Dortmund manages to do so. At least for the last 20 xears, I didn't check things before the "new" CL was invented.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 27-04-2013, 07:50	Dortmund right now has a coefficient of 60.751 - tied with Werder Bremen who had thier thrid bad year in a row. So even winning CL won't make then Pot A. Maybe it will be Pot B, but I rahter think of Pot C. Wich would not be a very bad thing. Give a weak Pot B Team like PSG to it, and they will easiliy enter the KO-Stage.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Cirdan Date: 27-04-2013, 08:13	@Cloakmaster: The CL-Winner is automatically the top seed, regardless of coefficiant. If Dortmund wins, they'll be in pot A.

Re: Is CL Pot C stronger than CL Pot B?
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 27-04-2013, 09:41	omg, i forgot aboput that one... you are right, of course.