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Author: Lorric
Date: 15-04-2013, 18:07
Edited by: Lorric
at: 15-04-2013, 18:11

I'm reading on an Inter forum fans happy that they at least they won't have to bother with the Europa League next season (Inter currently 7th.) The title is what will happen if they get back in the CL.

It takes 5 years of strong consistency to get to Pot A in the CL (or 4 years of awesomeness.) It always amuses me when fans of clubs with a strong coefficient are happy to just throw that coefficient away. They (clubs) should be fighting tooth and nail to maintain what they have gained over the last 5 years.

The consequneces won't be too severe for Inter in two years, as they drop their weakest season (13.275). Though that will still likely drop them out of Pot A, but not for sure. But after that, it's bye bye CL win (34.085) so a double blow. Inter are currently 7th in the rankings and highly likely to stay there this season. Coefficient of 105.829. Only perfection from Benfica will deny them, and it's still a CL Pot A coefficient in 8th. Unless Dortmund win the CL, but even then there's a good chance one of Arsenal/Chelsea will miss out, and it'll still be a pot A coefficient. It's priceless, a reward for years of consistent strong results. And they're happy to just throw it away. How much would a rich club pay for CL Pot A? How much would Manchester City pay for a Pot A coefficient right now?

Inter should be desperate to qualify for the Europa League, and use it to score enough points to protect themselves from the loss of their CL winning season and retain Pot A status. But the club probably care as little as their fans judging by having lost their last two matches to the teams 13th and 10th in serie a. You also have to go back 5 home games for their last win, they've lost 3 and drawn 1 after that. They're on a serious slide.

Author: Lorric
Date: 15-04-2013, 18:22
Edited by: Lorric
at: 15-04-2013, 18:22

Some choice quotes before their Coppa Italia match vs Roma:

http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?11342-Inter-Roma-(Coppa-Italia)-(17-
Apr-13)

"I really wanna beat Roma and Lazio in the final... Something out of this season... only thing that makes me not care is if we do win coppa then we are in the el again... I rather just not be in europe if were not in the cl... "

"Hopefully we lose so badly."

"We need to lose this game.. we need to avoid playing in the Europa League at all costs, and making the CI finals could land us Italy's final spot."

"Goodness gracious not a Cup run I don't care for EL."

"Europa League is a joke."

"Can't we just withdraw from playing in the Europa League if we win?"

"Europa league is waste of time, but they can just play bench players if Inter make it"

"maybe the team IS losing on purpose to miss out on EL. it would explain things a lot, an awesome plan"

"On a serious note, we really have to lose this. Can't afford the risk of somehow making it through and somehow winning the final. We cannot afford to have another fucking season in EL."

I sincerely hope these Inter fans get what they desire.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 18:28	I'm sure a lot of clubs would gladly take Inter's place in the Europa League! I think it's disgraceful for their fans to say they would rather see the team they supposedly support miss out on European football just because its not the Champions League

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 15-04-2013, 18:45 Edited by: Lorric at: 15-04-2013, 18:46	How did you feel about Manchester United in the Europa League last season? I've seen a lot of English clubs' supporters turn their noses up at it, but not to the extent those Inter fans have. It's usually a mixed discussion for English clubs. A different Italian team will be taking it if they don't of course.

Author: Lorric
Date: 15-04-2013, 19:19
Edited by: Lorric
at: 15-04-2013, 19:20

Here I go again, before their loss to Cagliari:

http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?11576-Cagliari-Inter-(14-Apr-13)

Look at the start of the thread, I'm not going to use that in case it's supposed to be a bit of a joke, but there's still plenty to use. This time there are a few who want Europa, but the other thread was nearly everyone doesn't. Those who don't:

"getting into the europa league would be a waste of our time, tbh. the money makes no fucking difference (if this retarded management choose to keep people like Stankovic, that offsets ALL The revenue from the EL already)"

"i just hope we won't make it to EL. way better for us in the upcoming season. if it's a financial problem, these dumbfucks earned it. but we have to focus on Serie A only to get our shit together."

"Could not agree more but with our luck we probably end up in EL by default."

"Also, just because we can potentially qualify for the EL doesn't mean we have the make the round of 64 (or whatever). The team could possibly lose the qualifiers or play all the youngsters for senior experience."

"Some people say it because they believe the competition is shit. I obviously want Inter to win the cup and I thought this year was going to be it (1 goal away too aha) but if we were to qualify next year I'd rather the team didn't make it to the group stage. It makes the fixture list so god damn congested. Playing on Thursdays are also terrible."

"I don't like the idea that our club could very travel to Eastern Europe and play on a Thursday night and then fly all the way back to Milano to play on a Sunday afternoon. That's dreadful. Maybe if we got an extra day or two off I'd be more fine with it but that rarely happens it seems.

Also, the prize money in the Europa League is appalling. For a club like Gillingham F.C it'd be great but for a club like Inter, who spend an enormous amount of player transfers and wages? Not so much."

"I only see qualifying for EL as harming the team. We need a season devoid of European football. Focus on Serie A. Foucs on our tactics, movement, game plan. More tactics, drills, 100% commitment in Calcio. Less strain. More rest for these players.

Avoiding Europe is a huge boon for teams looking to reconstruct, we have seen it time and time again. I don't want us to lose, but I don't want to qualify for Europe either."

"Fuck EL, this matches are only there to injury our players...
Without EL we would not have this problems tbh"

"fuck el, waste of time, waste of money. and the worse thing is it tires our players in the most crucial part of the season."

Back to me, I also find the argument that it damages the team amusing. Take Liverpool this season, they were able to put several players to the test in the Europa League, and then track them into the first team due to them performing well in Europe. Their team is definitely stronger now than it was before for that I feel. I honestly believe without it, Liverpool would have had a worse league season. Liverpool also had a Europe-free season before that. They wouldn't have qualified even for the EL but for the fact they took the League Cup. And I always argue it's good practice for a team with CL aspirations, if they can't qualify for Europe juggling league and Europe, what hope have they juggling CL and league? Also, being in Europe puts clubs and players in a multinational shop window. And of course if you absolutely have to rest players, nobody's stopping you. I also find it an entertaining competition, I don't know why people don't like it in that respect, it throws up some excellent games, and is much more unpredictable than the CL.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 19:59	I'll be honest I wasn't thrilled about United being in the Europa League but I was even more embarrassed when we finished bottom of our group. Given the choice I'd rather put up with the Europa League for a season than have no European football. Intriguingly, it's the only trophy we've never won, including its previous incarnations as the Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 17-04-2013, 23:56	So. They got what they wanted. 3-2 win for Roma.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 18-04-2013, 00:10	9 points between Inter and the top three so looking like Europa League or nothing

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 18-04-2013, 00:18 Edited by: Lorric at: 18-04-2013, 00:19	And that loss was at home, so it's now 4 losses and a draw in Inter's last 5 home games. They play Parma (11th) at home on Sunday. This little home problems saga is quite interesting. Inter are still only a point off the two cup finalists (Roma and Lazio in the final, could be some match) in 5th and 6th, so they could still grab a European place, if they can sort out the malaise they're in.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: bugylibicska Date: 18-04-2013, 15:54	It`s quite astonishing that clubs that pay millions for coaches (not to speak of players of no use sometimes) and a horde of helpers (subcoaches, physios, psychologists, dietary specialists etc.) don`t have one person employed with some clue about the importance of the ratings.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 18-04-2013, 20:08	They shouldn't even need one with this site and UEFA's site. Of course, I don't know if Inter themselves do not care about the Europa League. They certainly went for it in this year's competition, they could have easily jacked it in at 3-0 down to Tottenham, but they tried to turn it around and weren't far off from doing it. They also began their campaign in the third qualifying round.

Author: bugylibicska
Date: 18-04-2013, 20:42
Edited by: bugylibicska
at: 18-04-2013, 20:48

Of course, I didn`t mean to employ somebody for the sole purpose of watching the ratings, but to have somebody among the staff intelligent and knowledgeable enough to know the importance of this.
The sad thing when you hear a head coach (Rafa Benitez) talking about away goal advantage after the game in Prague (Sparta Praha-Chelsea 0:1), what a nonsense. Clearly, he has no clue about some basics one would expect as trivial for anybody in his shoes.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 18-04-2013, 23:00	Ha ha ha, did he say that? I'm sure he understands, he's had enough European games, he probably just wasn't thinking about the 1-0 thing. Just thinking his team scored an away goal.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: bugylibicska Date: 18-04-2013, 23:12	Yes, he did, I`ve seen the interview on tv. Well, it`s hard to believe I know, because one doesn`t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out things like that, but I ``enjoy`` being outraged by their stupidity and using sarcasm when deserved.

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 22-04-2013, 20:09 Edited by: Lorric at: 22-04-2013, 20:11	Inter beat Parma 1-0, the streak of home failure is over. And they are now 5th. Perhaps they'll get Europa football after all. EDIT: He he: "Shit, but we are in danger zone now, we are 6th. Could someone remind me which league positions qualify for the EL again?" Please, football gods, give them what they want. They deserve it so much...

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: mspm89 Date: 08-05-2013, 22:58	So Inter fans finally had their wish conceded eh? Cannot reach Udinese in 5th and one of the Roman teams below is assured through Coppa Italia. P.S. I think it's the first time i leave a comment. Hello to everyone!

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 09-05-2013, 00:11	Welcome to the forum. Indeed, the supposed 'fans' who for some bizarre reason would rather see their team fail than qualify for the Europa League got their rather stupid wish. Mini rant over, it's been an emotional day, as anyone who knows my club allegiance will have guessed

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: Lorric Date: 09-05-2013, 00:35	@ mspm89 Welcome. It will be interesting to see how Inter perform in their Europe-free season, and how the fans start to feel without European football.

Author: biagio
Date: 09-05-2013, 02:47

well, first of all welcome to mspm89.
now, i read the italian forums today(and in the past,of course) and the consensus is that "because" of the el inter did bad this year, or at least it's a big cause(togheter with the fact that probably they broke the world record of the number of seriously injured players in a season). anyway the reasoning is that the players(specially the old ones) are not used to play on thursday and sunday, infact inter did really bad in the games right after an el match. now i don't know if that's a good excuse but there you have it. many fans conceded that it's better to have an europe free season, without starting in july in some far away country, and instead concentrate on "refounding" the squad and concentrate on serie a.
ps. in ALL the forums i visited today NOBODY mentioned inter's uefa coefficient...

Author: nemesys
Date: 09-05-2013, 15:42

@mspm89
Welcome!

As already everybody pointed out, you are correct.

Juventus 86; Napoli 75; Milan 68;
Fiorentina 64; Udinese 60; Roma, Lazio 58; Inter 53.
CHGS: Juventus, Napoli.
CLPO: Milan (Fiorentina).
ELGS: Roma OR Lazio.
ELQ4: Fiorentina (Milan, Udinese, Lazio, Roma).
ELQ3: Udinese (Fiorentina, Lazio, Roma).

@Lorric:
(OT) Ok, I missed this thread. So my note on the other thread was redundant I guess. (/OT)

Biagio already excellently explained most of the reasons behind the logic of this wish of fans to avoid their club to be part of the competition, and I just add what I already pointed out in the other thread: in this case probably it is also a "noble in decadency" fans attitude to don't accept too happily to compete on a level a bit lower.

For an Udinese fan a CL qualification still way more meaningful than a EL qualification, but an EL qualification it still an achievement and the reward for a positive season; while for an Inter fan (Inter was European Champion in 2010) an EL qualification can sounds kind of like a punishment for having a negative season, somehow humiliating, hence the wish to focus all the efforts in the next season to avoid that output again. Arguable opinion, but probably not completely illogic from a fan point of view.

Then yes, from a coefficient point of view it is just silly, so the club itself could care no matter the fans opinions: so now what would be interesting it is to know if FC Inter itself is pleased or not by avoid the competition. I personally still in doubt.

Cheers!

nemesys

Re: Kiss goodbye to pot A for at least 5 years
Author: germanyfrance33 Date: 09-05-2013, 18:01	I think that the excuse of players "tired/not used/not concentrated etc. to play 2 times a week" is really childish as we would never hear this for the CL. Which does exactly the same thing...tires you out and deconcentrates you from the national league matches. They simply believe that EL isn't good enough for them.