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| Battle for 5th | |
| Author: gogu
Date: 08-03-2013, 15:27 | The old topic was archived and, for my surprise, the battle is still on. If my math is correct, Portugal needs to score more 7 points than France to reach the 5th position. So, if Bordeaux eliminate Benfica the difference goes up to 10 points and to get 10 points Porto has to, in practice, reach the final. But if Benfica eliminate Bordeaux, than it is possible. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 08-03-2013, 15:38 | Can Porto finish off Malaga? That will be crucial as well. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: AlanK
Date: 08-03-2013, 15:58 | Based on Málaga's recent play and lack of scoring, Porto is a definite favorite. That said, Málaga has played tough in big games: beat Real in the league; played Barça even in the Copa until the last 20 minutes or so of the second leg. Porto needs a performance similar to what they showed in the first leg. Porto is at home to Estoril today (Friday); Málaga is at Valladolid tomorrow. Those games may give us some hints . . . |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 14-03-2013, 17:48 | well, Porto eliminated, the bordeaux-benfica today becomes crucial. If Bordeaux wins it by more than 1 goal difference, or by penalty shoot-out,....we can close the Topic. otherwise, it's going on with each country one team still in competition. so tomorrow's draw will be very important for this topic....... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 14-03-2013, 23:37 | Only Paris Saint-Germain left for France in the CL, only Benfica left for Portugal in the EL. The draws tomorrow could be massive in determining who gets 5th |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: rote.adler
Date: 16-03-2013, 12:43 | The draws weren't kind for France. Still, Benfica needs 4 points more than PSG to get Portugal's 5th place. On a side note, if Benfica gets that scoring 6 or 7 points and surpasses At.Madrid, they may put a foot in firt pot of next year CL group stage draw. With FCP also there, that would be another mark for Portugal after 2010/2011 country coefficients 1st place, 2012 country ranking 5th place, 6 teams in 2012 group stage (with poor results, Sporting Lisbon disaster). Now two teams in 2013 CL first pot would be hint that Portugal can stay in top 6 countries for several years. Lol, I miss the battle for 6th thread, with the huge difference from 6th to 7th that is a real battle. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: AlanK
Date: 16-03-2013, 14:06 | Observations: While anybody can beat anybody in theory, PSG is likely to go out with zero, one, or two points vs Barça. So Benfica needs four vs Newcastle in the first case, five in the second case, and can't make it this round in the third case, but of course if they get past Newcastle and PSG goes out . . . still game on! Passing Lyon could very well get Benfica into Pot 1 for next season's CL--Arsenal, Inter, and Valencia may not make it. At the moment, Arsenal is five points back of Chelsea (10 games remaining for each), Inter is four points back of Milan (10 games remaining for each), and Valencia is two points back of la Real Sociedad (11 games remaining for each; they both play today at home). Benfica needs just a point and change to pass Lyon; if they get the four points (and change?) they need to pass Atleti, they're almost a lock. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 17-03-2013, 11:50 | If Newcastle beats Benfica, we do not have to woory. Now know that in the only confrontation Paris and Barcelona had in the past.....it was a quarterfinal of CL, it was paris which qualified. Barcelona is the better "team", Paris is probably the second best team still in play, cause i see them superior to real Madrid. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 17-03-2013, 13:07 Edited by: Lorric at: 17-03-2013, 13:07 | I want PSG to go through because of Beckham, but if they don't, I want them to lose both matches, because if they gain a single point, they'll overtake Manchester City in the rankings, and I believe as it stands currently, City are clinging to the last place in CL pot B. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 17-03-2013, 15:20 | According to cldraw.com the standings are currently: 15 Man City 70.221 16 PSG 69.733 17 Tottenham 67.221 Meaning that if PSG get one win and Tottenham get two wins, City would drop into Pot 3 |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 17-03-2013, 18:37 | Thanks. I checked recently and Man C were 16th. Someone above must have dropped out of a CL place. Hopefully they stay there, and someone else joins them so Tottenham can try and get into Pot B too. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 19-03-2013, 00:27 | Schalke dropped out, it's getting closer and closer in Germany concerning 4th place. Any German is hoping for Schalke to get this 4th place, cause every other team would be unseeded in the play-offs. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: schlumpy
Date: 21-03-2013, 07:08 | PSG lost in Porto and had trouble to win at home in the group stage. But they are better than Real?? ahahahahahah And Newcastle had 2 draws with Maritimo (8th of the PT league). Benfica is not in the same level. So, I guess all odds are playing on the portuguese side for the 5th place. France will fall more in the future (who wants to play in France anyway?) |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 22-03-2013, 23:47 Edited by: Malko at: 22-03-2013, 23:48 | (who wants to play in France anyway?) Ibraimovic, Thiago Silva, Lavezzi, Veratti, Pastore, Thiago Motta......... and even Valbuena, Matuidi,....... No one like this in Portugal........ |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 23-03-2013, 02:12 | "I want PSG to go through because of Beckham,..." plsss Becks, play against Barca, to laugh a lot  |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 23-03-2013, 12:04 Edited by: Lorric at: 23-03-2013, 12:09 | Yes, that would be nice. Maybe he can do this again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZHDqxPZ2Vw And then I'll be laughing. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 24-03-2013, 03:57 | ok Lorric, but that was in a friendly, now its CL-QF and as I said already, he is even older now. if he tries 2-3 yrs more, maybe he can breake Roger Milla  |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 24-03-2013, 12:30 Edited by: Lorric at: 24-03-2013, 12:31 | He did his best work for the Galaxy in his final years. Anyway, are you going to try and tell me that it's less likely Beckham will score a free kick because it's not a friendly, or because he's older? No. It makes no difference. He's scored loads of goals in big games. If anything, he's a big game player. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 24-03-2013, 14:53 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 24-03-2013, 14:53 | Ibraimovic, Thiago Silva, Lavezzi, Veratti, Pastore, Thiago Motta......... and even Valbuena, Matuidi,....... No one like this in Portugal....... FC Porto has 7 uefa titles and SL Benfica has 2 uefa titles. No clubs with this history in uefa competitions in France... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 24-03-2013, 16:44 | Afonso : "FC Porto has 7 uefa titles and SL Benfica has 2 uefa titles. " really sth you you tell us now. Never heard it before ........ but...this does not mean that a Thiago Silva or an Ibraimovic would like to play in Porto or Lisbon... Lorric, thanx for bringin it up to the point. Noone in paris thinks that beckham will run like a fool for 90 minutes, but for scoring on a free-kick, or delivering a dream-pass, you can do it even with 37...btw, there is a world champion who was over 40 when he won the world cup..... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 24-03-2013, 18:47 Edited by: Lorric at: 24-03-2013, 18:49 | I would play him against Barcelona. Barcelona are going to dominate PSG, like they dominate everyone. Their only chance may be from a set piece. With Beckham in my team vs Barcelona, I would actively play for set pieces and practice numerous set piece strategies before the tie. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 24-03-2013, 18:51 | sure...to win vs Barcelona : Let them dominate and strike back....score on your few occasions..... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 24-03-2013, 19:54 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 24-03-2013, 20:01 | I don't know who Lisbon is... Actually, Thiago Silva signed a contract with FC Porto after leaving Juventude. Maybe they play in PSG because of money... How many uefa titles do all the luxembourg clubs have together, by the way? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 24-03-2013, 20:29 | what do have Luxembourgish UEFA titles to do with this???????? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 24-03-2013, 20:31 Edited by: Malko at: 24-03-2013, 20:32 | btw...Lisbon is the town in which Benfica plays, like Turin the town of Juventus, Paris the town of PSG and Madrid the town of Real.......for your information about Portuguese Geography....there is another Lisbon-club called Sporting Lissabon (even if its not the official name). but Bayern Munich is not the official name of that german club either, but everyone knows them like this.....like Benfica Lissabon |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 24-03-2013, 22:37 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 24-03-2013, 23:10 | what do have Luxembourgish UEFA titles to do with this???????? And what does Germany and other countries have to do with the battle for the 5th and 6th place in the uefa country ranking, among other subjects you talked about in other topics? btw...Lisbon is the town in which Benfica plays, like Turin the town of Juventus, Paris the town of PSG and Madrid the town of Real.......for your information about Portuguese Geography....there is another Lisbon-club called Sporting Lissabon (even if its not the official name). but Bayern Munich is not the official name of that german club either, but everyone knows them like this.....like Benfica Lissabon And? You write PSG instead of Paris, etc. Lissabon? LOL, is it german? Yes, Benfica's name isn't Benfica Lisbon/Lissabon and Sporting's name isn't Sporting Lisbon/Lissabon. Benfica Lissabon? I've never heard someone calling it Benfica Lisbon or Benfica Lissabon. On the other hand, I've heard people calling Sporting Lisbon, but not Sporting Lissabon. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 25-03-2013, 11:12 | Here, everybody says Benfica Lissabon and Sporting Lissabon. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 25-03-2013, 12:19 | Where? In the forum? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 25-03-2013, 12:42 | In Luxembourg, In France, in Germany....... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 25-03-2013, 14:15 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 25-03-2013, 14:16 | Lol, that's wrong and I thought you spoke french and in this forum english was the language used... But in that case, why do you write Marseille in french and not in german? LOL |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 25-03-2013, 15:02 | The future battle between France and Portugal promises to become very interesting. For France, it will be the only relevant battle in the next 2-3 years, considering that Serie A seemingly regained a little of her former strengh. The overall quality of French teams with the exception PSG has declined, mostly due to the loss of French talents to foreign clubs. And considering how many French players are rumoured to leave this summer, this development won't change any time soon. So in my opinion it doesn't really look good for France. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 25-03-2013, 19:09 | Afonso, how do you call Marseille in German? LOL |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 25-03-2013, 19:14 Edited by: Malko at: 25-03-2013, 19:15 | Zarastro, in one thing, you are right. and i would even say if France would have kept all its talents the last 10 years, more than 1 CL or EL would be french now...... It is clear that the French football must do sth to stop this exile. But as long as most of the french people think that the football players are too much payed (instead of not enough), i wonder what could be done.... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 25-03-2013, 20:03 | "Afonso, how do you call Marseille in German? LOL" Well in some very old German documents Marseille (the city) is called "Massilien"^^. "It is clear that the French football must do sth to stop this exile. But as long as most of the french people think that the football players are too much payed (instead of not enough), i wonder what could be done." It would help if PSG would stop buying foreign players and instead invest in some French talents. It'd help them gaining sympathy in France and correct the picture of PSG who are mostly despised by fans of other French clubs as a bunch of mercenarys. Moreover instead of wasting money on PR stunts like they did with Beckham, they could have bought some young players who left France this winter period and thus boost the income of other French clubs. Then again the state of Ligue 1 does not concern the management of PSG, they only care for the CL and it would probably help them if the competition in Ligue 1 decreases because it would make it more easier for them to qualify for the CL. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 25-03-2013, 21:21 | Most people in France do not like PSG, but its the same in Germany for Baern Munich......you do not like the rich..... now, maybe for french club football its better to have a club capable to win an european trophy as to have 3 or 4 who can come up to a quarterfinal, and not further....... It is not true that PSG does not invest in french players.There are guys like Jallet, Matuidi,Sakho,Menez,ChantÃ?me, Gameiro....these are 6 french players which play regularly, ..and this is more than most foreign big clubs have in their team. That you have to buy 3-4 world class foreign players is normal, the others have also...... PSG lowers less the level of Ligue1 than Bayern does in Germany, where they buy nearly everyone which is good in another german club.....how long will it last until Goetze and Reus will play in bayern you think? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 25-03-2013, 21:52 | Well in some very old German documents Marseille (the city) is called "Massilien"^^. Lol. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 25-03-2013, 22:58 | "PSG lowers less the level of Ligue1 than Bayern does in Germany, where they buy nearly everyone which is good in another german club....." PSG doesn't lower the level of Ligue 1, quite the contrary thanks to them some players who would have never wasted a thought on playing in Ligue 1 came to France. However they do not help other French clubs either who must watch while most of their local talents leave the country. It is true that Bayern regulary buys key players in order to weaken the competition, however they still pay quite a lot of money for them. Stuttgart for example sold Gomez to Bayern although they received offers from foreign clubs because Bayern offered them more money, which they could have used to improve their squad, it is not Bayern's fault that Stuttgart purchased the wrong players. "how long will it last until Goetze and Reus will play in bayern you think?" Who knows? Reus could have joined Bayern last year but he went to Dortmund, maybe there is some hope left. However we are talking about France here not Germany. "now, maybe for french club football its better to have a club capable to win an european trophy as to have 3 or 4 who can come up to a quarterfinal, and not further......." But if you are honest, France has currently neither. PSG is the only French club cappable of reaching the QF of the CL and although they might be a dark horse, they are no favourites to win the title. Judging by the comments of other users, the quality of French clubs has all in all decreased this season which makes it unlikely for e.g. Marseille to survive the GS of the CL next year. PSG alone cannot carry Ligue 1 on their shoulders, other clubs need to do their part as well. The problem is that Marseille and Lille are nowhere near as financial potent as clubs from other top leagues and Portugal is doing surprisingly well considering the economic crisis they are in. Of course the big burden of debt owned by clubs from Portugal might become a big obstacle for Portugal in the future but nobody can say for sure. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 26-03-2013, 09:18 | Concerning PSG, they will win the CL for sure, but probably not this year yet. But i consider them as strong as Bayern or Real for the moment. It's only Barcelona which seems to be a little higher yet.....but who knows? Marseille and Lyon are not weaker than Leverkusen or Frankfurt, Napoli or Fiorentina, Real Sociedad,Tottenham or Arsenal, if you consider teams of the other Top Leagues in the same position 89conserning CL next year), and surely stronger than Braga or Pacos ferreira, concerning Portuguese clubs who might play that CL next year.... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 26-03-2013, 11:03 | what is clear is that IF France ends this season in front of Portugal, there will a serious handicap of at least 3.500 points in the beginning of next season..... All depends on if Porto and Benfica can confirm (i do not exspect much from the other Portuguese teams in the next years), and if we can be sure that PSG will make regularly its amount of points, it will depend on what teams like Lyon, marseille, Bordeaux, Lille, Rennes, Saint-Etienne will do . Lets say Lille only can do better than this year...... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 27-03-2013, 22:27 | Let's just say that PSG will probably collect a decent amount of points for France in the next years. But one club is not enough if other clubs fail regulary in Europe and one should not underestimate teams from Portugal. I doesn't make much of a difference in terms of points if one team goes out in the QF and the other one in the SF. Marseille and Lyon are not weaker than Leverkusen or Frankfurt, Napoli or Fiorentina, Real Sociedad,Tottenham or Arsenal, if you consider teams of the other Top Leagues in the same position 89conserning CL next year), and surely stronger than Braga or Pacos ferreira, concerning Portuguese clubs who might play that CL next year.... I don't know about that. Leverkusen, Napoli, Tottenham or Arsenal could all be expected to advance in a not too difficult group whereaas I have serious doubts about Marseille's ability to do so. The group stage is where the majority of points are earned and if you only have one team advancing, or worse teams which lose all but one game you'll be in serious trouble not to mention the bad publicity. Lyon looks decent from what i've read and they have a high coefficient. ". Lets say Lille only can do better than this year......" Maybe, but frankly I don't think so. From what I've seen in the CL, they simply lack the quality to be competitive in the CL. Perhaps the EL will suit them better, but how do they want to buy better players if they don't get the money for the Champions League Qualification? It'd probably the best for Ligue 1 if Lille doesn't qualify again for an international competition. At least French newspapers think so. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 28-03-2013, 05:38 | Is clear that France ends this season in front of Portugal? The difference is only 0.666 points. If Benfica beat Newcastle and Barcelona beat PSG, Portugal ends this season in front of France. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 28-03-2013, 09:36 | I sait IF France will end in Front of Portugal, ....not that they will. Interesting is now that Ibraimovic can play the first leg vs Barcelona. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-04-2013, 20:48 | Beckham starts for PSG vs Barca. But he's just there to sell a few shirts, right? It's all just a publicity stunt, huh?  |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 02-04-2013, 21:47 | PSG 0-1 Barcelona, 45' |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:15 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-04-2013, 22:17 | Well Beckham got 70mins in and I was pleased enough with what I saw from him. I'd have been much more pleased if he hadn't picked up a stupid yellow right at the end of his time on the pitch, giving Barca a dangerous set piece. I could see he was going to lunge in before he did and I could see it was never going to work. Got hooked straight after, and I wonder if that's why, or it was just the plan all along. Besides that he did very little wrong and sprayed a few nice passes around. I thought they might put him in behind Ibra to feed Ibra, but they put him deep instead, and this was probably a better idea, as I was pretty impressed with PSG's attacking players, he didn't need to be there with them there. Instead, being back there meant less running around, which would mean much more chance of being another body back there when Barca had the ball. And it allowed him time on the ball to use his brain and pick people out to start attacks with his lovely passing. And he came up for the odd set piece and put the ball on the heads of his teammates. He also put in a few good tackles, but at times I thought he was a bit too passive in trying to win the ball. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:22 | PSG 1-1 Barcelona 79' (Goal in offside) Go Platini. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:27 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-04-2013, 22:31 | Heh. Barca got through with an offside goal in the last round. It will be interesting to see if they can get through under some adverstiy this time. Messi out, offside goal against them this time. But despite all that, the advantage is still theirs. It was interesting watching Beckham. Very, very rare to watch a game and pay sole attention to a single player. EDIT: 2-1 Barca. Tie almost certainly over. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:34 | PSG 1-2 Barcelona 88' |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:37 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-04-2013, 22:37 | Hmmm, 2-2. I doubt it'll change anything, it's still a great result for Barca, but it's not quite as clear cut now, and will send PSG off on a high. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 02-04-2013, 22:37 | PSG 2-2 Barcelona 93' Valdes LOOOL 1 point to France. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: AlanK
Date: 03-04-2013, 08:09 | What an incredibly ignorant comment is the one from HM10. Didn't see the deflection, hmmmmmm? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 03-04-2013, 16:24 | Deflection? Was a monumental fail of Valdes. Ridiculous fail |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 03-04-2013, 17:21 | HM10, didn't see Platini was playing. Bye the way, he played for Nancy and Saint-Etienne, never for Paris SG...... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: AlanK
Date: 03-04-2013, 17:30 | If you have nothing to say, don't embarrass yourself by repeating it, for goodness sakes! |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 03-04-2013, 21:59 Edited by: HM10 at: 03-04-2013, 22:17 | AlanK, you only say shit madje. Be quiet. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 04-04-2013, 08:17 | @Lorric&other why dont you come on Forum2 for live game details, 'minute by minute'?  ------------------ interesting posibility in this battle: Psg lose 2nd leg Benfica qualify with w-l and is eliminated HF with w-l or d-d (or w-d QF and d-l HF) 5/6 = 0.833 the final ranking would be Por 58.834 Fra 58.833  |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 04-04-2013, 17:55 | I think Benfica wins 2 games against Newcastle. Let's see how it goes today. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 04-04-2013, 23:52 | Well Benfica won. Can't see them not qualifying now as I don't think Newcastle will turn around a 3-1 deficit |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 05-04-2013, 00:59 Edited by: SirHenri at: 05-04-2013, 01:00 | Benfica now requires 3 more points than Paris, which seems absolute possible (as PSG plays in Camp Nou) and then Portugal will pass France with 0,001 points. As Benfica gets more and more the top-favourite to tin the trophy I would bet on Portugal for 5th if I had to make a choice. It's gonna be close, maybe Paris can surprise and make it even more interesting. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 05-04-2013, 09:32 | We cann not all put on paris (if France does not get this 5th rank back this year), it was the other one who failed. First Lille and Montpellier and Marseille, and later Lyon and Bordeaux which played the Europaligue far belwo their usual level. Primary the fault of Bordeaux, cause if they had won vs Benfica , all would have been said. Now, probably the 3rd team in the french league does also have to play 2QRs in CL in 2014/15 and probalbly 2016/17, and if all goes wrong 2017/18, cause in these 2 years it will be difficult to get Portugal back, because France loses each year more points than Portugal. I think these things are interesting us....but i wonder if i would ask Ibraimovic, Messi or Ronaldo about it, they have no idea about UEFA-coefficients, besides that if many teams of a country have good results, the number of involved teams increases......most people only know taht and do not care about the rest. I think even in Portugal, if Benfica should win the EL, it's the only thing that 99,99 percent will know, not that Portugal has got before France in the UEFA ranking... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Todor
Date: 05-04-2013, 09:58 | Malko wrote: I think these things are interesting us....but i wonder if i would ask Ibraimovic, Messi or Ronaldo about it, they have no idea about UEFA-coefficients, besides that if many teams of a country have good results, the number of involved teams increases Some people in Lyon or Marseille will be a bit surprised, when they understand that they will have to start their CL campaign on 30.07, instead of on 20.08, 3 weeks earlier, being drawn against an awkward opponent like Anderlecht for example with no berth in a GS guaranteed. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 05-04-2013, 11:22 Edited by: Malko at: 05-04-2013, 11:30 | Lyon-Anderlecht would be surprising, isn't there a ranking? and anderlecht and Lyon should then be seeded. Its merely a Lyon-F91 Diddeleng that i would like...... ;-) Now, battle for 5. It is even not sure that it will always in the next years be France vs Portugal.... Presently France is: 5 in the ranking 12/13 with +0.499 to Portugal 6 in the ranking 13/14 with -3.716 to Portugal (difficult but possible) 6 in the ranking 14/15 with -4.345 to ITALY !!!!! 6 in the ranking 15/16 with - 0.666 to Portugal 5 in the ranking 16/17 with +0.667 to Portugal seeing this, and knowing that Lyon, marseille etc will not have any season a bad season like this one....it seems that at latest for the ranking 2016 France will get 5 back.If Portugal has a failure like the Netherlands, it could be very earlier. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 05-04-2013, 11:39 | Italy potentially being 6th in a couple of years is a bit of a surprise, although Internazionale's CL win in 2010 would be discounted in that season so perhaps not such a surprise |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 05-04-2013, 11:55 | of course, it would be a surprise....depends also on the performances of France...and Portugal. Italy can also be Number 3 again in 2016 |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 05-04-2013, 15:20 | Portugal next year should have 2 teams in Champions League Pot 1. FC Porto (100% guaranteed) and Benfica (if they reach the final of EL, or Arsenal/Chelsea or Valência not have qualified to Champions League). Paços and SC Braga should get into the EL group stage. The rest is still undefined. Depends of the Portugal Cup final and the classification of the 5th and 6th place that being much contested between Maritimo, Estoril, Rio Ave, Nacional, Guimaraes and Sporting. For Portugal, the best was they were Maritimo (5th) and Sporting (6th) because they would seeded teams in draw of Europa League play off. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 05-04-2013, 16:07 | Advantage of France is that they have more teams which might make points in the coming years. paris, Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux, ...and a new Saint-Etienne-team coming very strong. Important will be to keep the best players (for Paris no problem, but french teams are always weakened by selling their best players once qualified for a european cup). In Portugal, i really see only Porto and Benfica on that level, even if Braga did a good job 2 years ago. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 05-04-2013, 17:44 | Like they did this season, Malko? lol |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 05-04-2013, 17:58 | And the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that, and the season before that... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 05-04-2013, 18:28 | So you can safely say: and the season after that... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 06-04-2013, 00:10 Edited by: HM10 at: 06-04-2013, 00:11 | From next season, players of french championship dont have 75% tax? All great players will run away from France! Lol |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 06-04-2013, 02:32 | "From next season, players of french championship dont have 75% tax? All great players will run away from France! Lol" Not necessarily. The new tax will not bother PSG because they can pay as much as they want and other French clubs cannot compete for top players anyway. It will be interesting how the football in Portugal will be affected by the Economic crisis, clubs from Portugal are already indebted and the crisis will probably take it's toll there (of course this counts for France too, although the situation is not as bad there atm). |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 06-04-2013, 10:23 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 06-04-2013, 12:57 | Not necessarily. The new tax will not bother PSG because they can pay as much as they want and other French clubs cannot compete for top players anyway. It will be interesting how the football in Portugal will be affected by the Economic crisis, clubs from Portugal are already indebted and the crisis will probably take it's toll there (of course this counts for France too, although the situation is not as bad there atm). We were already in crisis when we ascended from the 9th position in the uefa ranking to the 6th and then to the 5th. By the way, today it wil be discussed the enlargement of the league from 16 teams to 18 (with the reintegration of Boavista). |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 06-04-2013, 11:26 | The french governament is crazy. Instead of lowering the taxes for the players, they increase it......its real suicide. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 06-04-2013, 15:04 | "We were already in crisis when we ascended from the 9th position in the uefa ranking to the 6th and then to the 5th." I have recently read an interesting article about this topic. Apparently it always takes 3-4 years before developments of the economy have an impact on the football league. This is why the Bundesliga is only starting to feel the strengh of the German economy and is expected to prosper for the next 4-5 years. Then again clubs like FC Porto manage to develop talent and sell expensively so they should be fine. "The french governament is crazy. Instead of lowering the taxes for the players, they increase it......its real suicide." Yeah a Socialist government would totally lower the taxes for the rich people... . It would have been better if they had only applied this new taxes to clubs with foreign owners, but I guess this would have been against the constitution. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 06-04-2013, 15:13 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 06-04-2013, 15:22 | I have recently read an interesting article about this topic. Apparently it always takes 3-4 years before developments of the economy have an impact on the football league. This is why the Bundesliga is only starting to feel the strengh of the German economy and is expected to prosper for the next 4-5 years. Then again clubs like FC Porto manage to develop talent and sell expensively so they should be fine. Lol, and how many years have passed since we are in crisis? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 06-04-2013, 16:20 | @Malko Really. This measure of government can will destroy the French championship. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 06-04-2013, 18:20 | "Lol, and how many years have passed since we are in crisis?" I don't know how long Portugal is in a crisis, but I believe the European debt crisis lasts now for 3-4 years now. This summer we will probably see the effects in Spain, many players are expected to leave the country. I don't know how the situation is in Portugal though. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 06-04-2013, 18:38 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 06-04-2013, 18:39 | I don't know how long Portugal is in a crisis, but I believe the European debt crisis lasts now for 3-4 years now. This summer we will probably see the effects in Spain, many players are expected to leave the country. I don't know how the situation is in Portugal though. And yet you know the portuguese clubs are indebted. I can't tell you for sure, because our country has always been in crisis and has always been one of the lowest european economies. Well, it's pretty bad, no doubts about it. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 06-04-2013, 19:56 | " And yet you know the portuguese clubs are indebted." There was an article about the financial situation of clubs from Portugal when Benefica played against Leverkusen. I believe the total amount of debt was around 800m€, the message was that although the situation is not terrible, it could become threatening if Portugal remains in a recession for the next couple of years. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: UploaderAfonso
Date: 06-04-2013, 20:25 Edited by: UploaderAfonso at: 06-04-2013, 20:27 | There was an article about the financial situation of clubs from Portugal when Benefica played against Leverkusen. I believe the total amount of debt was around 800m€, the message was that although the situation is not terrible, it could become threatening if Portugal remains in a recession for the next couple of years. I don't know the numbers, but I think it is pretty bad. Recently, FIFA ordered the removal of 12 points of a II league club because of debts to two clubs. But again, according to your logic we shouldn't have improved our uefa ranking position. Anyway, the Portuguese League for Professional Football approved the enlargement of the II league from 16 teams to 18 teams, with Boavista being the 17th and the team who wins the playoff between the two lowest ranked teams of the I league and the 3rd and 4th ranked teams of the II league being the 18th. However, if Boavista fails to fulfill the enrollment procedure the 2nd ranked team of the playoff will take its place. For this change to happen, the Portuguese Football Federation has to be in favor of it. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Todor
Date: 07-04-2013, 12:50 | Portugal ranking is based on the performance of their top 4 teams (Porto, Benfica, Sporting and Braga), which have earned 307.5 of the 338 total points, or 91 % of the Portugal points. Of course nothing in football is certain, but unless Spoting and Braga greatly improve over the summer, the logic says that the Portugal performance next year will be worse than this year, as these two have contributed for 36 % of the points. This year there were a couple of lucky events, that helped Portugal performance. Academica winning the cup, and thus getting in the groups of EL and Dula Gori promoted to the seeded group and been drawn against Maritimo in the PO. Maritimo and Academica made 9 net points (1.5 coef. points) in the GS as a result. Next year either Vitoria or Pacos or both will start in the qualifiers being unseeded in the PO, so it's likely Portugal will lose a team or two prior to the GS. As a whole I expect the Portugal coefficient for next year to drop by 2-2.5 points to something like 8.5-9.5. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 07-04-2013, 14:06 | In France, the problem remains the same. If Saint-Etienne qualifies for EL,....Aubameyang, the most important player, won't be there anymore for playing that EC. Its is clear that they sell him.....and i am afraid to a foreign club. This must definately STOP ! |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 08-04-2013, 01:00 Edited by: HM10 at: 08-04-2013, 01:03 | @Todor Why the logic says that Portugal performance next year will be worse than this year? I can't see logic in that. On the contrary. If Sporting qualify to EL, would be almost impossible Braga and Sporting next year do the same or worse performance that they did this year. This year they did very poor performance and made a few points to Portugal. It's almost impossible do worse. I believe that in the next season Braga will be able to do much better. While Sporting probably will not qualify to Europa League. This is bad for Portugal. In the next season should be: Benfica - Champions League (Pot 1/2) FC Porto - Champions League (Pot 1) Paços Ferreira - Europa League (Pot 4) SC Braga - Europa League (Pot 1) Guimaraes and Estoril/Maritimo/Rio Ave/Sporting (?) - Europa League play off (4/6) Teams in Group Stage. Unfortunately, Portugal next year should have only 4 teams in the group stages. We can only have more teams if Maritimo or Sporting (seeded teams) qualify to Europa League play-off instead of Estoril-Praia (unseeded, 5th in this moment) and Guimaraes pass the play off. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Todor
Date: 08-04-2013, 07:53 | @HM10 Of course I might be wrong, but I just have the feeling that Sporting and Braga will have another bad year. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 08-04-2013, 15:40 | I dont think so. If Braga go to Europa League (1st Pot), it's almost impossivel they do worse that last year in Champions League. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 11-04-2013, 03:21 | Benfica needs now 4p either draw today and win/d-d HF, or win + 1d HF. if they lose and come through, they have then also to reach the final |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 12-04-2013, 00:10 | Benfica only need one more win to Portugal reach the 5th position |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 12-04-2013, 00:31 | Whether or not they get that win may depend on how the draw works out |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 12-04-2013, 00:42 | Speaking of draws, these would be my preferred draws: CL Any Spanish vs Any German Any Spanish vs Any German EL Fenerbahce vs Chelsea Benfica vs Basel |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 12-04-2013, 01:02 | CL: Dortmund-Barca, Bayern-Real EL: Benfica-Chelsea, Basel-Fenerbahce |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 12-04-2013, 03:14 Edited by: HM10 at: 12-04-2013, 03:14 | I prefer this.. Finals: CL: Real - Bayern EL: Benfica - Chelsea |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 12-04-2013, 15:31 Edited by: Lorric at: 12-04-2013, 15:31 | Got nearly what I wanted. CL got what I wanted, Basel - Chelsea would be 2nd choice. It's time Basel were defeated. If they do add Chelsea to Manchester United and Tottenham though, I hope they take the cup. They're a class team, I've been impressed by them every time I've seen them. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 12-04-2013, 15:41 | The main thing there`s no same country semifinal, I`m OK with the draw. I expect a Spanish final (like last year, I remember) and Chelsea is favourite (Basel don`t care), but Benfica will have their work cut out for themselves. Still, if I`ve to predict: Benfica-Chelsea final. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 13-04-2013, 20:49 | Lorric, what happened to Becks? They brought him only to introduce him for some minutes? 20 yrs young Verrati was the 1st choise until...last 10 min, as Ancelotti desperately unpacked the crowbar http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/matches/round=2000349/match =2009604/index.html 81st Gameiro for Lavezzi (forewards) - Gameiro 1 attempt offtarget 83rd Becks for Verrati (midfield) - 1 yellow card for Becks 90th 88th van der Viel for Jallet (defenders) - Viel 1 attempt on target |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 13-04-2013, 20:59 | Still played 2 legs vs Barcelona. Brought to play football, not sell shirts. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 14-04-2013, 17:17 | but it looks like they brought him for selling shirts no brilliant passes, never mind free kicks, as you and other here expected... |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 14-04-2013, 18:35 Edited by: Malko at: 14-04-2013, 18:37 | you can be sure of 2 things : 1) Paris will win the CL in the next 5 years 2) Beckham won't Semi-finals of CL assure a spanish final normally.A german team in the final would be really a very big surprise now. Concerning battle for 5th, let's hope Benfica doesn't make much points. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 14-04-2013, 19:02 | Got subbed into their last league match too. I told you before, I'm not expecting him to light it up, I'm expecting him to have a place in the team, and he has. Been offered a new contract for next year too. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 14-04-2013, 22:45 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 14-04-2013, 23:03 | PSG winning CL - has PSG a handball or bastektball team, too? Because PSG will NEVER win the UEFA CL. dream on, boy. Acutally I expect one team each in wembley: Bayern - Real. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 15-04-2013, 15:36 | Cloakmaster, i think you are among the few ones who think this. Everybody who a slight idea of football sees that there is a huge team rising and its jhust a question of time (of a few years) until Paris wins the football championsleague. Presently, I only see Barcelona better. .This quarterfinal saw the 2 best teams of the present moment: Barcelona and Paris.CL final this year will be Barcelona-Real. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 15-04-2013, 16:40 | There are other "huge" teams who claim to be up to winning CL for several years now - but still without doing so. To win a CL yoe need morde tahn money, money, ans even more money. You nedd something money can't buy: Experience. Experience only comes by learning, an takes some time. The english, italian, german and some spanish clubs havbe already gone though that school: Money can't buy you success - or experience. Now PSG will go throug that same school and i doubt thar PSG will come to another conclusion than the other clubs. If PSG keep up improving they might be good enough for a European final within say 10 years. But then there is still one step to make for actually winning the trophy. And right now i would not be surprised if QSI will loose their interest in PSG before they will have lerarnt their lesson. And with QSI dropping out, PSG's chances will drop out, too. Because even though you can't buy success with money. It isalmost impossible to become successful without. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 15-04-2013, 18:38 | I honestly believe that in the next five years (so before the 2018 World Cup) both Paris Saint-Germain and Borussia Dortmund will win the Champions League. As far as spending money goes, it's really about spending it on the right players. For example, Liverpool spent £35million on Andy Carroll and he probably wasn't the right player for whatever reason (not intended as a dig at Liverpool or Carroll), Swansea spent £2million on Michu and he looks like the bargain of the century |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 16-04-2013, 18:44 | Cloakmaster, experience itself doesn't make you win the CL either. see Bayern who fail for more than a decade now, participationg every year. Because they cannot have the best players. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 17-04-2013, 04:34 | Malko, read my ost again, uns even you will see, stat Bayern is still one step before: Good enough to cpmpete in a final (as they did several times in these past years), but not yet winning ist. Still, that is way way ahead to PSG. Rather Barce will win 4 out our 5 throphys than PSG one of them. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 18-04-2013, 17:18 | Cloakmaster, Paris is in his first year. and was only eliminated by one of maybe the 2 only clubs which could do that this year (even if I doubt for the second, real, but we will see if they beat Barcelona in London in a couple of weeks). |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 18-04-2013, 19:36 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 18-04-2013, 19:51 | so what? PSG has been extremly lucky to get as far as they got - but for PSG the roads still ends long before wembley, or where ever the final will take place in the next years. Real recently did not play two ties, but two victories over Barcelona. But Real ist neverthelesse 13 Points behind Barca in Liga BBVA. So two victories over Barcelona are not good enough to compete with them in a long run - and two ties are even less so. PSG may become a constant visitor in CL Grpoup stage, and may participate in die KO-Rounds. And that is all they will be able to achieve. As you said: PSg is in thier first year. So there are several years of leraning ahead before they can even think of graduating. And one single good mark on the way does not give you a summa cm laude on your graduation degree. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 20-04-2013, 11:21 | Cloakmaster, you say : "but for PSG the roads still ends long before wembley," for anyone else, and especially Bayern and Dortmund, the road would have ended 100% same place if they had to play Barcelona and not Juventus or Malaga..... . |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Nixda
Date: 20-04-2013, 14:52 | Lets wait for your comments about bad refs and undeserved results after the semis  |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 21-04-2013, 07:55 | Yea, for Bayern and/or Dormund may come the end of the tournamnet, too, when playing against Barca or Real. It weill even come or Barca or Real if they play against each other. the Diffence is: There are two or three clubs which can beat Barca or Real There are three or four clubs that can beat Bayern or Dortmund There are at least 10 clubs that will eliminate PSG. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 21-04-2013, 14:41 | Cloakmaster,....no. Paris is better than Dortmund and equal to Bayern now. Nixda, no comments, i won't watch these games. I have a PSG-Nice today, tomorrow i'll see Monaco in Ligue2 in hope they'll assure Ligue 1 for next year. So Tuesday and Wednesday no football for me, cause an interesting weekend is pointing next. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 21-04-2013, 21:52 | Malko: If you are referring to chers, hadball or womens gymnastics, PSG may be. If yoe refer to soccer: Dream on, boy. Its useless to talk about any sort of reality with you. There is absolutely NO REASON to even think of PSG as being that strong you keep wishing them to be. By the way: this topic is not about PSg vs. Bayern, it is about The battel for Rank#5 in Europe, which is France (and PSG being part of it) about to loose, while germany (And Bayern/Dormund being part of it) are still getting ever closer to England and Spain. Maybe Germany can take Rank #2 sooner or later. It does not really matter to be. But it is solid that England, Spain and Germany are the unchallenged top 3 in europe. Behind them comes Italy as "best of the Rest", while France is still loosing thier ground to challende Italy and become 'best of' them selves. But that would still not be best of europe, and not in competition with Spain, England, Germany, it would still be 'the rest'. And that is right, wehre thes belong to. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Malko
Date: 22-04-2013, 16:49 Edited by: Malko at: 22-04-2013, 16:50 | "There is absolutely NO REASON to even think of PSG as being that strong" and there is no reason to think it's NOT like that. Paris lost only vs the best team in the world, Barcelona..... Germany can now hold rank 3 for a couple of years, then anotherone, Italy or France will take it again. Italy has more potential than Germany anyways. Even if Juventus failed this year vs Bayern, like Bayern fails regularly vs Inter Milan. BTW, concerning Germany, the first financial scandals are pointing out...... Concerning Rank5 and France, it will be important that the french teams qualified for the European Cup 1) keep their best players who qualified them for the cup 2) take Europaleague for serious. If these 2 points are respected, France will do much better than Number 5. We all speak about Paris, but Paris will gat a serious concurrent in 1-2 years....it will be AS Monaco who will give themselve also the means to fight with the best in the world. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Zarastro
Date: 22-04-2013, 17:58 | "Italy has more potential than Germany anyways." Why, with all due respect to Italy but nothing speaks for this theory. It is true that Italian clubs have been more succesful than clubs from the Bundesliga in Europe, but under circumstances which will never be repeated. Germany has right now the better youth system, better stadiums and German clubs are far more financial stable than their counterparts from Serie A and the FFP will make it harder for suggar daddys to invest in clubs like they used to. Not to mention the economic outlook of Italy is gloomy at best whereas Germany might enjoy a new "Golden decade" with a healthy grow according to McKinsleys analysis. Serie A might close up to the Bundesliga in some of these aspects, there are already some promising youngsters showing up, but it will certainly take more than one or two years more until then. "If these 2 points are respected, France will do much better than Number 5." Yeah sure, if clubs in Germany like Freiburg could retain their best players when they qualify for Europe I'm sure the Bundesliga would already be Number#1. But they can't because they don't have enough money and their best players want to make the next step in their career. Don't take to many "ifs" in your consideration, otherwise you are fated for disappointments. Aubameyang will probably leave St. Etienne this summer, maybe to Dortmund as a Lewandowski replacement. The real question is, why struggles France with Portugal although clubs like FC Porto regulary lose their best players too? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: shisraelit
Date: 22-04-2013, 19:15 Edited by: shisraelit at: 22-04-2013, 19:16 | malko,you can speak but if benfica win thursday (i hope why can you imagine) france will be 6th for at least three years. go benfica go |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 22-04-2013, 20:48 | Malko yoe never gonna learn it. Bet: Before PSG will win their first Title in CL, Barcelona will win five more Titles. Quresiton: What is better: To win a game or to tie a game? Team A plays team B two times, and they tie both times - with better goals for team B. Team C also plays team B two times in a row, winning both games. So, which team is the best of the three? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 24-04-2013, 15:38 Edited by: cinebelu at: 24-04-2013, 15:44 | "and there is no reason to think it's NOT like that. Paris lost only vs the best team in the world, Barcelona....." Troll mwhahahahahaha, the football gods smash again the mouth of the most stupid troll I've ever known. the best team in the world was destroyed yesterday evening by the best team in universe "Germany can now hold rank 3 for a couple of years, then anotherone, Italy or France will take it again" Troll I told this lots of times: in Ranking 2017 Ita is 2p behind Ger, but Fra is already 5 or 6, so for Fra you have to start hoping with 2018 (yes, there are all countries at 0.000 by now ), that will give the berths for 19/20. So there are about 7yrs until then...Concerning battle for 6th this season, only 1 draw needed for Por, and the Fra is defeated. Next season Fra is isolated on 6th, they have battle for that spot without opponents. 2015 it could become interesting if Rus/Ned recover 2/3 points untill then -> Fra will be in danger to drop below 6th |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: caravaj
Date: 24-04-2013, 18:15 Edited by: caravaj at: 24-04-2013, 18:16 | "the best team in universe"... Sieg Heil ! |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 24-04-2013, 20:48 | was that supposed to be funny? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 24-04-2013, 23:32 Edited by: cinebelu at: 24-04-2013, 23:33 | @caravaj if he said that Barca is the best team of the world, then I had to choose something bigger than "of the world". I was in doubt between solar system and universe are you frustrated using that "Sieg Heil!"? if you think Germany is nothing else but Nazis, then I have to add you on my list of very stupid people. sorry! |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: spoonman
Date: 24-04-2013, 23:48 | Don't mention the war! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0 |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: caravaj
Date: 26-04-2013, 18:27 | "if you think Germany is nothing else but Nazis," My god ! (be sure I'm an atheist) I don't think so. But I've read some of your posting on Forum 2 very close to racism. I would be very disappointed if nationalism were recruiting football fans in Germany and anywhere else, which happened unfortunately in ex-Yugoslavia. "then I have to add you on my list of very stupid people." If you don't regret what you once wrote, I don't really mind. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: cinebelu
Date: 27-04-2013, 00:16 | 1st of all, Im not german, not even 0,001% Then, we have to define what racism is! I can explain everything supposed to be racism I've written on Forum2. Its your decision if you believe what some other told about me, taking only what they needed from my posts to put me on the pillory... After your last post, I understand you dont belog to that people who think every German is a Nazi and salute the German turists with Hitler greeting. Your "Sieg Heil!" was only for me and my suspiciously racism, its ok |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: rpo.castro
Date: 27-04-2013, 12:03 | Malko, who said some time ago that german teams were weak compared with french teams, is still writing about that? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: ruicosta
Date: 30-04-2013, 15:35 | Strange referer nomination for Benfica vs Fenerbache. This time a French one was nominated. Platini at his best.. he dosent want France to leave 5th spot. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: reisanibal
Date: 30-04-2013, 22:46 | Nobody, except this forum's users, cares about the tiny difference between 5th and 6th places. Just get over it. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: walter-wade
Date: 30-04-2013, 23:21 | ahah exactly guys..i don't think even platini knows what 5th place,6th place or coefficient points mean at all i have a question to u?if thursday benfica wins vs fener but will be eliminated, portugal finishes at the same point with france..who will be 5th or 6th in that case and why? thank you from now to friend that will answer.. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 30-04-2013, 23:23 | @ walter Portugal would be ahead with th tiniest possible advantage : 0.001 points. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: walter-wade
Date: 30-04-2013, 23:26 | ok thannks..i calculated incorrectly.i thought they would be exactly at the same coefficient point..ok than,i change my question man,which country would be ahead than,if they would finish the season exactly at the same point? |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Nixda
Date: 01-05-2013, 11:45 | The country with the better result in the most recent year(s). I think if really all 5 years are equal there is a draw of lots. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: HM10
Date: 03-05-2013, 00:41 | Bye bye France. GO BENFICA!!! |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: Todor
Date: 03-05-2013, 06:36 Edited by: Todor at: 03-05-2013, 06:39 | Well done Portugal for keeping the 5th place. I must admit, I thought France had it sealed after the group stages. They were ahead, they had a team more and Benfica, which had just failed in a group with Celtic and Spartak, were drawn against Leverkusen. I even thought France would have gained some ground for the next season as well. Instead Lyon and Bordeaux failed big time and Benfica made an almost perfect run to the final (16 out 19 pts). It looks as though this battle is over for the next couple of years. Even in the provisional 14/15 ranking, France is closer to Russia in 7th than to Italy in 5th. |
| Re: Battle for 5th | |
| Author: nemesys
Date: 03-05-2013, 12:58 | @Todor I must admit, I thought France had it sealed after the group stages. Same prediction. I didn't think it was over, but on my books France was clearly favorite in the race. Good job Benfica. Cheers! - nemesys |