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Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 25-02-2013, 08:27	The topic has been archived. For Greece, Olympiacos needs just two more wins to win the championship... CL1 (ch/GS). Asteras Tripolis, PAOK, Atromitos, PAS Giannina are currently in positions 2-5... Panathinaikos tries to get a play-off spot... AEK is 13th...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 25-02-2013, 13:56	or just one win for Olympiacos if Asteras and PAOK doesnt win next game

Author: Lorric
Date: 25-02-2013, 14:09
Edited by: Lorric
at: 25-02-2013, 14:13

With the downfall of Panathinaikos, the Greek Super League has become like the SPL with the downfall of Rangers. Both were two horse races, now both are one horse races.

Celtic require 13 more points for mathematical victory. Probably far less in reality. Celtic have played 5 more games than Olympiakos, but the SPL requires 8 more games than the Super League, so they're both roughly proceeding at the same one sided pace towards the title. Celtic with 10 games to play and 13pts to collect, Olympiakos with 7 games to play and 6pts to collect.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 25-02-2013, 16:10	The moment Rangers were demoted to Division 3 it basically sealed the title and a Champions League qualifying place for Celtic for the next three seasons. Difficult to know if the same will be the case in Greece

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 25-02-2013, 23:17

Barcelona and Bayern Munich are both close to securing CL places for next season. Bayern need just three more wins to guarantee a top four finish, while four more wins will do for Barcelona

In Portugal, 4 wins should be enough for both Porto and Benfica to finish in the top three. If Pacos de Ferreira (currently 3rd) drop points in that time then those 4 wins could also clinch Porto and Benfica's places in the Group Stage

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: ubik Date: 10-03-2013, 20:21	10 Greece 37.100 ---------------------------------------- CL1=Olympiakos Piraeus 57.800 (ch/GS) CL2= (ch/Q3) CW= (eu/Q4) EL2= (eu/Q3) EL3= (eu/Q2)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 10-03-2013, 20:24	England's base coefficient must be seeded next year, or we'll have two unseeded sides in the qualifiers, one of them very weak. Unless the weak one can win the FA Cup.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 10-03-2013, 20:58	One of Blackburn, Millwall and Wigan will be in the Europa League next season through the FA Cup, so two of England's three representatives will use the base coefficient

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 10-03-2013, 22:41	If Chelsea wins the FA cup and isn't in the top 4 of the Premier League, then there won't be any "weak team" in the EL via the FA-cup.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 10-03-2013, 22:53	If Chelsea win the FA Cup and finish 5th, the FA Cup runners up will take the Cup place. We can probably add Bayern Munich to the list of qualifiers as they only need 1 more point with 9 games left and a vastly superior goal difference

Author: Lorric
Date: 10-03-2013, 22:56
Edited by: Lorric
at: 10-03-2013, 23:02

Yes, I noted this little possibility in the domestic cup thread.

So it makes things very unusual for how I regard Chelsea this season. In the FA Cup and Europa League, it's "Go Chelsea!" In the League, it's "Go anyone who's playing Chelsea!" and "Go, Arsenal!" I'd like Arsenal to get CL. It doesn't seem right for the chain of perfect KO stage qualifications to be broken like this.

Chelsea would then have "done an Inter". Win the CL, then collapse. But Chelsea, it might see Abramovic get the money out, strengthening the English European contingent.

So I guess I'm a West Ham fan just for next week, and hoping Arsenal win the "pretty football" battle with Swansea. Sorry Chelsea. But you'll get an FA Cup if I have my way. Newcastle to win the Europa League though I'm afraid if I have my way, to provide England with 8 teams next year. That would be very nice to help England pick up the slack if we end up with a weak representative. Direct passage to the group stage and top seed for Newcastle next year, who have been pushing up into the mid-table since they signed their French contingent, and are well away from the relegation battle now, 9pts clear.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 11-03-2013, 05:59 Edited by: seso at: 11-03-2013, 06:00	For Greece, the currect standings for the play-off spots is: Asteras Tripolis 50 PAOK 49 Atromitos 41 Panathinaikos 35 However no team has qualified for european football yet since the Cup is on-going.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: ziyyad Date: 11-03-2013, 07:44	looking at the current standing, not juz england.. spain & germany face the same 'problem'.. italy looks better though..

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 11-03-2013, 07:51	mjohnson1989: If Chelsea win the FA Cup and finish 5th, the FA Cup runners up will take the Cup place. ?????? The "Cup runners up" only get a Euro spot if the Cup winner is qualified for CL. Last time I checked, the 5th place in England is not a CL spot, so if Chelsea wins the FA Cup and finishes 5th, then the 6th placed team gets a ticket to EL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-03-2013, 12:00	As Ziyyad said, Spain and Germany face a similar issue to England. In Spain it looks like the team finishing 8th will get a Europa League place!

Author: AlanK
Date: 11-03-2013, 14:25

@mjohnson1989:

Yes, it looks as though the 8th place team in Spain will go to the EL. This still depends on whether or not Málaga is eligible for Europe. First possibility: they fall below 7th place--currently they are only three points above 8th place. Second possibility: their suspension is upheld. Third possibility: their suspension is not upheld.

I have no news about the suspension. My guess is that we'll learn more on or about March 31, which is the date set by the UEFA by which Málaga has to have their finances in order to the satisfaction of the UEFA--if they don't, the suspension could be for more than one year. I'm hoping that we will get definite word inre the one-year suspension at that time--is it possible that they will be pardoned if things are squeaky-clean? Michael S. Collins says that a pardon has never been issued in a case like this (did I get that right, Michael?)--which makes it strange that no final pronouncement has been made yet.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-03-2013, 15:57	Thanks for the info AlanK. I would expect we will know more after that deadline. Of course by then there will have been 3 more matchdays in La Liga by then too, so we may have a better idea of which teams will qualify

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: AlanK Date: 11-03-2013, 16:51	@mjohnson1989: Because of World Cup qualifiers,there are just two matchdays left up to and including March 31. Málaga is home to Espanyol at noon (CET) on 17 March; they will play at Rayo at 16:00 (CET) on March 30.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 12-03-2013, 04:39	After Swansea took the league cup place and very probably Wigan (or Blackburn, Millwall) takes the FA cup place in Europe, what happens if Newcastle wins the EL. The 5th place in the PL still gets their place in the EL or not.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 12-03-2013, 05:14 Edited by: bugylibicska at: 12-03-2013, 05:24	OK, I`ve found the answer to my question. So, England would have 4 entries into the EL in case Newcastle wins this year`s edition and of course won`t finish higher at home than 6th. (5 in case of an FP place.)

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 12-03-2013, 09:44

That is correct. A country gets an extra EL spot if the EL-winner hasn't qualified for CL or EL via their domestic league and cup(s).

Same is true for CL, with the exception that no more then 4 teams from 1 country can play in CL. So if this happens for a top 3 country the 4th placed team from the league is downgraded to EL. If the CL-winner has qualified for EL then there will be no extra EL-spot. If the CL-winner hasn't qualified for EL also, then the country gets an extra EL-spot.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: gogu Date: 12-03-2013, 18:52	Benfica and Porto are already qualified for European football. Benfica may qualify for CL this week.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 12-03-2013, 22:12	Manchester United will qualify for European football with a win on Saturday, 7 points will see us qualify for the Champions League Bayern Munich, in addition to only needing 1 more point for Champions League qualification, need 3 more wins for the title

Author: MartinW
Date: 13-03-2013, 03:09

mjohnson1989: "Manchester United will qualify for European football with a win on Saturday, 7 points will see us qualify for the Champions League"

Actually Everton can still reach 75 points so Man Utd need another 5 points to guarantee finishing at least 5th and qualify for minimum EL.

You are correct that Man Utd need 7 points to finish at least 4th and qualify for CL (provided Arsenal don't win this year's CL).

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Philipp Date: 13-03-2013, 13:47	Will Rapid and Dinamo Bucuresti receive a license from UEFA? A few months ago they were among the clubs, which were not able to pay their debts and UEFA announced, that they will be excluded from international football.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: spoonman Date: 17-03-2013, 16:39	Bayern are now qualified for the CL group stage.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 17-03-2013, 17:46	Bayern could seal the Bundesliga title after the next matchday in two weeks time. If they win and Dortmund don't, Bayern will be champions

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 17-03-2013, 23:00	Manchester United, Barcelona and Benfica could all secure Champions League places in the next matchday after the international break, while Celtic could secure European football

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 19-03-2013, 11:20	This years Cypriot Champion have 94% chance of starting at CLQ3 instead of CLQ2 since only Malaga is in a non-Champions League spot at the moment out of the 8 remaining teams. And also, Malaga will have to win their appeal for the european competition ban.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 29-03-2013, 00:07	Manchester United, Barcelona and Benfica could all secure Champions League qualification this weekend. Benfica simply need to win, while United and Barcelona would need to win and hope the teams currently in fifth (possibly lower in Barcelona's case) drop points. Additionally, Bayern Munich will be crowned Bundesliga champions this weekend if they win and Borussia Dortmund drop points

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: jaysea67 Date: 30-03-2013, 20:28	Manchester United have secured CL qualification. The 4 teams below Man United could all catch them, but Chelsea and Tottenham still have to play each other - one of them will drop points so Man United can't finish lower than 4th.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 30-03-2013, 20:38	Good to know. Well Bayern couldn't quite seal the title but they won 9-2!!

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Deneverember Date: 31-03-2013, 13:07	The New Saints (Wal)3.766 will starting in the CL Second qualifying round

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 31-03-2013, 17:18	Wow, I looked at their results, they put that league to the sword! http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=60457/domestic/index.html

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 31-03-2013, 18:01	Pretty impressive retaining the title with 5 games to spare

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 31-03-2013, 18:54 Edited by: Lorric at: 31-03-2013, 19:04	Yes, something Celtic might not be able to do after today's draw with St. Mirren.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 31-03-2013, 23:34	Celtic can win the title next weekend if results go their way. 4 Group Stage qualifiers are now known: Barcelona Bayern Munich Benfica Olympiakos

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 01-04-2013, 18:01	Benfica is not sure yet because Braga has to play tonight

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 01-04-2013, 18:59	If Braga fail to win they will not be able to catch Benfica. If Braga do win they will go above Pacos de Ferreira, who are already unable to catch Benfica, therefore Benfica will definitely finish in the top three

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 01-04-2013, 19:19
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 01-04-2013, 19:31

The question is not a top 3 finish for Benfica since 3rd would only put Benfica in CL-Q4.
The question is a top 2 finish for Benfica.

Braga can only equal their number of points. Benfica however wins the HTH.

In a 2-way HTH Benfica (4p) beats Braga (1p). In a 3-way HTH (with Porto also on 64 points) it will be like this: Porto (7p), Benfica (5p) and Braga (4p). PS: 2 of the HTH matches still have to be played, but in order for all 3 teams to be able to get on 64p Benfica has to lose vs. Porto and Braga has to beat Porto.

So in any case Benfica is at least 2nd and therefore qualified for CL-GS already.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 01-04-2013, 21:38	I was wrong

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 01-04-2013, 22:12	Cheer up. Easy mistake to make

Author: Deneverember
Date: 01-04-2013, 23:06
Edited by: Deneverember
at: 01-04-2013, 23:12

Champions League
1. qualifying round

Seeded
EB/Streymur Far 2,316

Seeded/Unseeded
Andorra Champion 0,100-2,100
San Marino Champion 0,133-1,633
Armenia Champion 0,350-3,600
Northern Ireland Champion 1,866-2,166
Luxemburg Champion 0,625-4,425

2. qualifying round

Seeded
BATE Borisov Bls 39,175
Cyprus Champion 9,366-35,366
Elfsborg Swe 8,125
Molde FK Nor 7,835
HJK Helsinki Fin 6,701

Unseeded
Kalju Nomme Est 1,191
Daugava Daugavpils Lat 1,658
Shakhtyor Karaganda Kaz 2,941
Q3*** Champion 2,316

Seeded/Unseeded

Ekranas Panevezys Lit 6,300
Israel Champion 4,575-29,575
Czech Republic Champion 4,745-29,245
Romania Champion 4,604-35,604
Q1*** Champion 4,425
Poland Champion 4,150-23,650
FH Hafnarfjardar Isl 4,083
Croatia Champion 3,916-25,916
The New Saints Wal 3,766
Q2*** Champion 3,600
Sligo Rovers Irl 3,225
Scotland Champion 3,038-37,538
Serbia Champion 2,925-17,425
Slovakia Champion 2,841-15,841
Bulgaria Champion 2,450-11,950
Hungary Champion 2,350-9,850
Slovenia Champion 1,941-9,941
Georgia Champion 1,833-5,833
Azerbaijan Champion 1,708-5,708
Bosnia-Herczegovina Champion 1,566-5,066
Moldova Champion 1,533-11,533
Macedonia Champion 1,050-4,550
Montenegro Champion 1,050-3,550
Albania Champion 0,833-3,333
Malta Champion 0,791-3,791

***=I count with the best coefficient

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 02-04-2013, 06:27	The dates for the Greek play-offs have been set (the Cup final will be played on May 11th): MD 1: May 15th MD 2: May 19th MD 3: May 22nd MD 4: May 26th MD 5: May 29th MD 6: June 2nd

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: THEPOSH Date: 04-04-2013, 09:19	Unless Malaga wins the CL, the Danish Champions will move from CHQ3 to GS. And that will most probably be FC Křbenhavn, but is not sure yet.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 04-04-2013, 18:54	In that case it's assured the Danish champions will be in the Group Stage as Malaga are banned for next season. Then again it could place UEFA in an awkward position if Malaga did win it this season

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 05-04-2013, 23:17	Pacos de Ferreira's draw tonight has secured FC Porto's place in the top three. It also means that if Porto win this weekend they will secure a top two finish. In Scotland, Celtic can secure the title tomorrow. For that to happen, Celtic need to beat Hibernian and hope that Motherwell fail to beat St Mirren

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 06-04-2013, 17:59	Celtic have been dragged into the split still without the title won. Never would have thought that would happen at the start of the season. But now they only need Motherwell to drop a point, or to claim a point themselves to win the title.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 06-04-2013, 20:49	Celtic fans must have been gutted when Motherwell made it 2-2! I think their focus was distracted by the Champions League earlier on in the season. Celebrations in Munich tonight as Bayern won the title with 6 games left, earliest ever title win in Bundesliga history

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 08-04-2013, 10:41	Manchester utd has secured CL GS. Porto needs a point tonight.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 08-04-2013, 14:53	A point for Porto tonight would secure a top three finish, but they need to win to ensure they will finish in the top two and qualify for the CL GS

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 08-04-2013, 23:14	Porto beat Braga so they've secured a Group Stage place alongside Benfica, now to see if they can win the title and go the season unbeaten. On that subject, has any league seen two teams go the season unbeaten before? Could happen in Portugal this season

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 09-04-2013, 15:44	FC Lusitans from Andorra is champion again since sunday and will enter first stage of CL-Q once more !

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 10-04-2013, 08:50	After Malaga's defeat, the Cypriot Champion will start from CLQR3.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 10-04-2013, 09:49	And the Danish champion is qualified for GS, namely FC Kopenhavn, though they haven't secured it mathematically, but it's very likely.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 10-04-2013, 10:22	does it mean that Northern Ireland and Luxembourg champions are going directly to CL Q2?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 10-04-2013, 10:42	Yeah, correct ! Those are the (usual) shifts, which appear when the CL-Winner is qualified in it'S own league. Which isn't assured yet, but extremely likely.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 10-04-2013, 19:55	The only team left in any real danger of missing out are Paris Saint-Germain, and even they are beginning to open up a bit more of a gap. In fact, Juventus will seal a top three place if they win at the weekend. If Barcelona win tonight we can pretty much assume the title holder entry won't be used

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Todor Date: 10-04-2013, 20:13	If Juve or PSG win the CL, but finish 3rd in the their domestic league, won't it send the Danish champion back to the qualifiers?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 10-04-2013, 22:08	Yes it would. I think the readjustments would be similar to the ones used for Chelsea this season

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 10-04-2013, 23:10	Well I guess that solves that little "problem". The predicted outcome then, the two big German clubs and the two big Spanish clubs.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 10-04-2013, 23:45	Yep, 'problem' solved. Real Madrid only need 9 points from 8 games to secure a top four spot, 11 points to secure top three and a place in the Group Stage. Borussia Dortmund need another 6 points from 6 games for a top four spot, 9 points for top three and Group Stage. Barcelona and Bayern Munich already there

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: tallaght Date: 11-04-2013, 03:17	Derry City(Ireland) are only 3 years old technically since they reformed in 2010. I think their co-efficient will be 1.475 rather than 2.475

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 12-04-2013, 13:01 Edited by: omonia at: 12-04-2013, 13:19	With the 4 semifinalists in Europa League in a good position to take part in the next year's Champions League, the Cypriot Cup winners should start from 4QR. Am I right?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: apurvdanke Date: 12-04-2013, 13:05	Last year the Turkish Super Lig had a playoff at the end of the regular season of 34 games. I thought it was a stupid idea as Galatasaray who had won the regular season by 9 points from Fenebahce had their points halved for the playoff. Finally they just managed to hold onto the title by a single point. Is there going to be a playoff system this year as well?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: KRBY Date: 12-04-2013, 13:34	How the access list will change if the winner of Europa League is: a)Fener, Benfica or Basel (sure in CL.) b)Chelsea, if they also win the FA Cup or finish 5th?

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 12-04-2013, 15:09

@apurvdanke

There is no play-off in Turkey any more this year.

@KRBY

If the winner of the EL is qualified for CL or EL-GS, then there will be an open spot in EL-GS. This will be filled by moving up the following CW's (or best league placed teams if CW is qualified for CL):
7.Russia to GS
16.Cyprus to Q4
19.Czech Rep. to Q3
33.Ireland and 34.Slovenia to Q2

If the winner of EL is qualified for EL-Q4 then the same teams are moved up except 7.Russia.

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 12-04-2013, 20:27
Edited by: mjohnson1989
at: 12-04-2013, 20:46

The following teams can secure a Champions League place this weekend:

Manchester United: United are already assured a top four place and need a point to ensure a place in the Group Stage. However, it will be secured without United playing if Arsenal fail to beat Norwich on Saturday (United play Stoke on Sunday)

Juventus: Juve will seal a top three finish if they beat Lazio on Monday night

Shakhtar Donetsk: Shakhtar will seal a top two finish with a win over Zorya

Austria Wien: Can seal a top two finish with a win over Sturm Graz on Sunday

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 13-04-2013, 20:46	Shakhtar Donetsk have qualified for the Champions League as they have secured a top two finish. They will be crowned champions tomorrow if results go their way. Otherwise they will win the title with a win next weekend

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 14-04-2013, 21:28 Edited by: Lorric at: 14-04-2013, 21:29	If Everton defeat Arsenal in two days, this will be your Champions League battle in England: 3rd - Arsenal - 59 (P33) 4th - Chelsea - 58 (+28) (P31) 5th - Tottenham - 58 (+15, GS) (P32) 6th - Everton - 58 (+15) (P33) That's assuming Everton win by one goal. More than one and they'll go 5th.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 14:50	The Chelsea v Tottenham game, whenever it's played, is shaping up to be one of the most crucial games of the season. Shaping up for some final day drama, when intriguingly Chelsea host Everton

Author: KRBY
Date: 15-04-2013, 16:49

Which English team will play in the 3rd Qualification Round of Europa League next season if Manchester City wins the FA Cup? Is Swansea going to begin from Play-offs?

If last year Liverpool was winning the FA Cup, would Tottehnam had begun from Groups or qualifications?

Let's say an italian team wins the CL but is lower than 3rd position and they also win the FA Cup. Will there be 6 or 7 italian teams in European competitions? Will any italian team qualify directly to the Groups of Europa League?

Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 15-04-2013, 17:05
Edited by: Cloakmaster
at: 15-04-2013, 20:19

If the loosing FA cup finalist gets an entry to EL (eg. because the FA cup winner plays CL) , it gets the weakest spot available - so its QR3. In that case the league cup winner is moved up to to EL-PO.

so with ManCity winning FA cup and entering Champions leaugue, Wigan athletic will start in EL-Q3 and Swansea will start in EL-PO (save they get a better spot by league entry)

In Case ManCity dropping out of CL Ranks, Wigan will not play EL, and Swansea will keep thier Q3 entry as league cup winner.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 15-04-2013, 17:11 Edited by: Lorric at: 15-04-2013, 20:16	Last year Tottenham would have had to qualify and Liverpool would have started in the GS.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 18:32	It is a nonsensical rule. Surely if 5 teams from a country have proved to be good enough then they should all be rewarded. This season there is the possibility of the wonderful irony of Andre Villas-Boas gaining a Champions League place ahead of Chelsea, the club that sacked him last season. I'm sure Tottenham fans would enjoy that after what happened last season

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 15-04-2013, 18:51	And there's also the possibiltiy of them firing a European trophy winning manager 2 years straight! The former part is assured as Benitez is already leaving. The latter, we'll have to see if he can win the Europa League.

Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 15-04-2013, 18:52
Edited by: Cloakmaster
at: 15-04-2013, 18:54

I see it quite contrary: The Champoions league should be a league of champions, and not so of 2nd, 3rds, 4ths or even 5ths. Of course the 2nd spanish team is better than the champion from malta, but that one is still a champion. The new format granting at least 5 "weaker" champions acess to the main pot was a right move in my view. And limiting the number of berths per country is, as well. I rather would drop that limit to 3 berths max, instead of four or - sigh - five.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 15-04-2013, 19:20

@KRBY
Let's say an italian team wins the CL but is lower than 3rd position and they also win the FA Cup. Will there be 6 or 7 italian teams in European competitions? Will any italian team qualify directly to the Groups of Europa League?
There would still be a total of 6 Italian teams in Europe, only 4 in CL and 2 in EL. The EL-GS spot where the CL-winner was qualified for via the national Cup will be empty and filled by moving on teams from the QR's. No Italian team would start EL in the GS in that case.

Author: Lorric
Date: 15-04-2013, 20:15
Edited by: Lorric
at: 15-04-2013, 20:17

Hmmm, it looks like you're right. I went back to check the year Liverpool won and England had 5 CL teams, and England only had two teams in the UEFA Cup and some teams from other countries got moved up to later rounds.

If the team didn't qualify for Europa either by domestic means, would a Europa team be stripped of a spot, or would the nation get an extra team in Europe?

EDIT: I've deleted my wrong answer from my previous post.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 20:31	The year Liverpool won was an exception and the current rules were out in place because of it

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 21:25	After beating Nordsjaelland tonight, FC Copenhagen need just two more points from 6 games to qualify for the Champions League. Another 9 points will give them the title and what looks likely to be a place in the Group Stage

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: skivaz Date: 15-04-2013, 22:43	Juventus with the win of tonight has qualified for Champions League 1-3. Fiorentina (4th ranked) is 19 points behind with 6 matches to go.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-04-2013, 22:47	Juventus will secure a top two place next weekend if they win and AC Milan don't

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 16-04-2013, 09:33
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 16-04-2013, 09:35

@ Lorric
If the team didn't qualify for Europa either by domestic means, would a Europa team be stripped of a spot, or would the nation get an extra team in Europe?

In that case the country would get an extra team in Europe.

This is in the rules from UEFA:

2.03 The UEFA Champions League titleholder is guaranteed a place in the group stage even if it does not qualify for the competition through its domestic championship.
a) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy). In this case, the number of places to which the titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Europa League does not change.
b) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and does not qualify for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy). In this case, the association of the titleholder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League.
c) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to fewer than four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, it is entitled to play in the UEFA Champions League in addition to the association’s other UEFA Champions League representative(s). In this case, the combined number of places to which the titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League does not change.
d) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to fewer than four places in the UEFA Champions League and does not qualify for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, it is entitled to play in the UEFA Champions League in addition to the association’s other UEFA Champions League representative(s). In this case, the association of the titleholder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Champions League.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: nuno Date: 16-04-2013, 17:15 Edited by: nuno at: 16-04-2013, 17:18	Semi- final portuguese cup: Vitoria Guimarăes (2) - (0) Belenenses ,the second game plays today in guimarăes,vitória is lead 2-0 after game in Lisbon! So,vitoria has good chance to prooced to the final against final Benfica and they get EL-Group Stage for next year!

Author: Lorric
Date: 16-04-2013, 19:03

Thanks Forza-AZ.

Also, looks like I was wrong about Tottenham having to qualify if Liverpool had taken the FA Cup as well:

"a) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy)."

I just assumed that since cup winners overtake 2nd place teams in other leagues, the cup winner would overtake 4th in the EPL. Not a good post for me, that one. Nothing but mistakes!

I agree with the rule though. In this case it's bad enough getting dropped from the CL, without getting leapfrogged by the cup winner as well.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 16-04-2013, 19:11

In last years Tottenham case it depended on where a open spot was if they had to start in EL-GS or EL-Q4.
In this example there were 2 vacancies in the GS:
-Atletico Madrid winning the EL and finishing 5th in Spain caused 1 vacancy in EL-GS.
-Chelsea winning the CL and the FA-cup caused a 2nd vacancy in EL-GS.

So Tottenham got 1 of these vacancies (the other went to Russian Cup winners Rubin Kazan).

Would Liverpool have won the FA-cup and Atletico Madrid have finished 6th in Spain, there would have been no vacancies in EL-GS, and Tottenham would have started in EL-Q4.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 16-04-2013, 19:26	Ha ha ha ha, I'm on a roll, aren't I!

Author: seso
Date: 16-04-2013, 19:29

I was on fantastic holidays in Athens for some days and I missed some of the developments... So, here is the latest from the Greek 1st division (1 MD before the end of the regular season):
Olympiacos is champion as we already know.
PAOK is 2nd with 59 pts. Then Asteras Tripolis (53), PAS Giannina (44), Atromitos (43), Skoda Xanthi (39), Panathinaikos (37). Clubs in positions 2-5 qualify for the play-offs and will also probably qualify for european football unless Panthrakikos makes a miracle and wins the Cup (I don't see it...).
According to these, the clubs PAOK to Atromitos have already qualified for the play-offs. Also AEK have been relegated!
However there was crowd invasion in the last match of AEK, and they should be punished with 3 pt deduction. However is this does not happen (what Pana tries to achieve), the last match Xanthi-Aris will be of significance (Aris will be in danger of relegation). So Pana hopes that Aris will win, and they will be 6th. Then, there is the possibility that one of the top 5 clubs will not get a european permit, so Pana hopes to get the european spot if that happens...

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 19-04-2013, 11:12

Tonight could see arguably the most inevitable title win of the season in Scotland. If Motherwell fail to win, Celtic will be champions. Even if Motherwell win a home draw for Celtic on Sunday will seal the deal.

Borussia Dortmund will secure a top four spot with a win this weekend, while a Real Madrid win would leave them needing a point. Juventus can also secure a top two finish this weekend if they win and AC Milan don't

Author: SirHenri
Date: 19-04-2013, 11:30

Juventus can also secure a top two finish this weekend if they win and AC Milan don't

As Juventus plays Milan on sunday, Juve has all in its on hands. They need a win, because a draw won't be enough yet due to the loss of the direct duel.

Meanwhile, when Cetlic becomes chamions this weekend, this is securing an international appearance for the Hibernians, too, as they reached the FA-Cup final - against Celtic.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 19-04-2013, 16:32	Manchester United could be crowned champions on Monday. If Tottenham beat Man City on Sunday then United can seal the title with a win over Aston Villa on Monday night

Author: Lorric
Date: 19-04-2013, 23:11
Edited by: Lorric
at: 19-04-2013, 23:20

Looking on a Celtic forum, the Celtic fans are pleased with Motherwell's victory. It's understandable even though they still haven't won the title yet, they want to see their team cross the line on the pitch on Sunday at their own stadium, and with a 12pt lead it's a luxury they can afford so I'm not going to condemn them for it. But wouldn't it be funny if Celtic lose to Inverness? Not much chance of it happening though, I predict Celtic will come roaring out of the blocks and win in style. At the very least they should take the point they require. It should finally be time for Celtic to at last join the list of national Champions this Sunday.

EDIT: I just checked, because it was in the back of my mind and I was right, Inverness won their other league game at Celtic Park earlier in the season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-e-xQniSGw

Might just have to tune in for this one...

However, it says in the description it's the first time Inverness have ever won an SPL fixture at Celtic Park. Probably too much to ask for them to do it twice.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 19-04-2013, 23:24	I can understand them wanting to seal it themselves, I'd certainly like to see United secure it themselves

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 20-04-2013, 09:26	Ajax is the first Dutch clubs that is qualified for Europe. After yesterdays 1-1 vs Heerenveen, Ajax is at least 4th and qualified for at least EL-Q3.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: goaktobe Date: 20-04-2013, 16:17 Edited by: goaktobe at: 20-04-2013, 16:20	forza az your team is in a strange position maybe this evening it s better a lose because if psv end in 1 or 2 position az alkmaar goes to europe next year aktobe is qualified for europa league 2013 2014

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 20-04-2013, 16:22
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 20-04-2013, 16:24

@goaktobe

The problem is that we are not safe from relegation yet (the 16th placed team has to play relegation play-offs and we are only 6 points ahead of 16th place right now).
The 16th placed team play against the 18th and 15th placed team next 2 matches, while AZ has to play away to Heerenveen next week who are 7th and in good shape. So if we give away the win to PSV tonight we can find ourself near the relegation spots again after next week.

We can't risk that, so AZ isn't going to give PSV the win tonight.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 20-04-2013, 17:22	What a strange team you have. Used to be a European regular, still might be, good coefficient, and in a relegation battle despite having a scoring machine in your team in Jozy Altidore with 21 goals this season. It's always eye catching to see a player banging in the goals for a team near the bottom of a table.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 20-04-2013, 18:59	Borussia Dortmund have secured their place in the Group Stage

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 20-04-2013, 19:10
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 20-04-2013, 19:11

@Lorric

A lot of our good players left last summer, so it was to be expected we would do a lot worse then last years. However 8th spot was expected for AZ at least, and we are only 13th so far.
Altidore does score a lot (21 goals so far), but besides him we don't have players that score a lot. Only Maher got 6 goals, nobody else got more then 3 goals. And our defense is bad so that is why we lost a lot of matches.
Hope we can still get into Europe via the Cup and we can rebuild a good team for next season to have a shot at around a 5th place again next season.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: goaktobe Date: 21-04-2013, 00:13	az psv 1 3 now psv is second but az still in trouble coupe de la ligue final ST ETIENNE 1 0 rennes ST ETIENNE IN EUROPE NEXT YEAR

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 21-04-2013, 06:00 Edited by: Lorric at: 21-04-2013, 06:00	St Etienne are currently 4th in the table. They might not need the spot. This was the time for them to qualify. They would have dropped a 17.200 season and dropped to the basic French coefficient if they hadn't qualified.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Malko Date: 21-04-2013, 08:50	Lorric, i think they did not think a lot of the coefficient yesterday. It is the first title for "les Verts", like they are called since 31 years now...........

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 21-04-2013, 12:03	Galatasaray have qualified for the Champions League as they have secured a top two finish

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 21-04-2013, 15:41 Edited by: Lorric at: 21-04-2013, 15:45	Well, as I predicted Celtic won the title in style with a 4-1 win. They didn't explode out of the blocks though. Scored all the goals in the 2nd half. Meanwhile, in Croatia, where the other title win as inevitable as Celtic's is, Dinamo Zagreb are in the same position Celtic were in, 5 games to go, require a point, or, slightly different, a pair of "rivals" not to win instead of just one.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 21-04-2013, 16:45	74 minutes: Tottenham 0-1 Man City Full Time: Tottenham 3-1 Man City Manchester United will win the title tomorrow night if they win at home to Aston Villa

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 21-04-2013, 17:00	@goaktobe AZ didn't give PSV the win. PSV was just much better. At least our 2 rivals in the relegation battle also lost so we are still 6 points (+ a better GD) clear of the relegation play-off spot with just 3 matches left. So the loss yesterday wasn't that bad, since this helps PSV a lot in their fight for a CL-spot.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 21-04-2013, 17:42	Ha ha. So Bale returns, scores, and the streak of winning games when he scores and not winning when he doesn't continues. Chelsea are currently winning at Anfield. The race for CL places is really getting interesting. Looks like Everton are out of the race now, though you never know. But it looks like it's a three way for the two places now. Great fightback by Tottenham, I want to see that.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: THEPOSH Date: 21-04-2013, 18:04	FC Nordsjćlland has secured European football next year with a 15 points advantage over Odense with 15 points to play for and a +21 better goal difference. So it's 99,9% sure. Furthermore, FC Křbenhavn will secure at CL GS next week depending on results tonight and Real Madrid next week. An update next week should see things settled.

Author: Lorric
Date: 21-04-2013, 18:17
Edited by: Lorric
at: 21-04-2013, 18:20

I wonder if Celtic can make it to the group stage of next year's Champions League?

Teams that reach the last 16 then have to qualify via the Champions Path fail to reach the Group Stage the year after, despite being seeded. Copenhagen reached the last 16 in 2010/11, then failed to negotiate the Champions Path the following year, losing in Q4 5-2 to Plzen. Basel and APOEL last season reached the Last 16 (APOEL the first to go to the quarter finals) but this year APEOL were not Champions of Cyprus and couldn't even get to the Europa League group stage, losing to Neftchi Baku 4-2 in ELQ4, while Basel were knocked out in Q4 by CFR Cluj 3-1.

So Celtic will be the fourth team to try and qualify via the Champions Path after KO CL football the previous season. I wonder if the Celtic fans will think it's an achievement if they pull it off? Or a formality now they're "European big boys" for beating Barcelona and reaching the last 16. I hope they haven't forgotten failing to get beyond the Europa League group stage the previous 3 seasons, which featured an elimination in ELQ4, and another elimination in ELQ4, but their opponent cheated so they advanced. 4 seasons ago, they got an automatic CL qualification, and finished bottom of their group. As far as I'd be concerned, Celtic's season is a resounding success if they simply reach the CL group stage and take the money it provides, providing they win the league, of course. They overachieved massively this season for me in Europe. A good European campaign would be getting out of an EL group.

Do you think they will succeed? Being in the weaker Northern section should see them into CLQ4 I think, they should be too much for unseeded Northern sides in Q2 and Q3. After that, it depends who they draw, they got a good draw this year and won. I will be interested to see who they get next year...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 21-04-2013, 18:48 Edited by: Lorric at: 21-04-2013, 18:50	I want to like Liverpool. I really do. They play attractive football. They have great history, they perform well in Europe, they have great matches in Europe, they've got a lot of English talent in their ranks. Then that animal, that piece of human garbage, Luis Suarez, does something else again. Now he's taken a sneaky bite out of Ivanovic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4qbwZCeGdw

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: TimJohnson Date: 21-04-2013, 19:18	Congratulations to Airbus for finishing second in Wales and are in Europe for the first time

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 21-04-2013, 19:22	Well that vermin Suarez delivered a last gasp equaliser when he should have been off the pitch. So here's the table now: 3rd - Arsenal - 63 4th - Chelsea - 62 5th - Tottenham - 61 Arsenal have played a game more.

Author: Lorric
Date: 21-04-2013, 19:32
Edited by: Lorric
at: 21-04-2013, 19:33

Youtube will probably get wiped clean of bite videos, so here's a picture of that animal biting Ivanovic:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIY5OSDCEAES-lg.jpg

Someone bit me on the arm once. It was at middle school and I had a shirt, jumper and thick coat on and his teeth left deep red marks in my skin, it really hurt. So I wonder how much damage Suarez is doing there with just a thin football shirt to get through and the jaws of a grown man.

I want this maniac, this savage animal, out of the Premier League.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 21-04-2013, 20:03 Edited by: mjohnson1989 at: 21-04-2013, 20:05	That poor excuse for a human being has no place in football. Anyway, Austria Wien, FC Copenhagen and Real Madrid have secured Champions League football for next season

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 21-04-2013, 21:58	Dinamo Zagreb won the 8th consecutive championship title today.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 21-04-2013, 22:21 Edited by: mjohnson1989 at: 21-04-2013, 22:38	Shakhtar Donetsk have secured a top two finish and need just a point to secure the title. In Albania, Skenderbeu Korce are also a point away from the title Juventus have secured their place in the Group Stage

Author: Lorric
Date: 21-04-2013, 22:44
Edited by: Lorric
at: 21-04-2013, 22:47

Does the Croatian League use head to head then as first tie breaker? I guess they must, the title win is official. So the two most inevitable title wins have been won on the same day.

EDIT: Yes, there it is:

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/news/newsid=1943186.html

That's likely Celtic's future, a long streak of comfortable title wins, like Dinamo Zagreb picking up their 8th straight title today. Rangers are a shambles, they may struggle to even make it into the SPL, much less challenge Celtic for titles. Queen of the South won the third tier in more impressive fashion than Rangers won the fourth tier.

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 21-04-2013, 23:21

Here's a look at who has qualified so far

First Qualifying Round

EB/Streymur, Cliftonville, Lusitanos

Second Qualifying Round

BATE Borisov, Celtic, Dinamo Zagreb, Elfsborg, Molde, HJK Helsinki, Ekranas, FH, The New Saints, Sligo Rovers, Shakhter Karagandy, Daugava Daugavpils, Nomme Kalju

Group Stage
Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Juventus, Benfica and FC Porto

Qualified, entry round to be determined
Real Madrid, Shakhtar Donetsk, Galatasaray, FC Copenhagen, Austria Wien

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: biagio Date: 22-04-2013, 04:10	Olimpiacos is in the group stage too, are they?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 22-04-2013, 09:50	Oh yeah forgot them! facepalm

Author: luckyluke
Date: 22-04-2013, 10:08

EL 1st round
Dinamo Minsk, Vikingur, IF Fuglafjordur, HB Torshavn, FC Inter Turku, TPS Turku, Derry City, Drogheda United, St Patrick`s Athletic, KR Reykjavik, Breidablik, IBV Vestmannaeyjar, FC Astana, Irtysh Pavlodar, FK Aktobe, Glentoran, Crusaders Linfield, Rosenborg, Malmo FF, FC Santa Coloma, Levadia Tallinn, Flora Tallinn, Skonto, Ventspils, Žalgiris, Suduva

2nd round
Shakhtyor Soligorsk, BK Hacken, Honka, Hodd, Stromsgodset

3rd round
Swansea City, Saint-Etienne, Hibernian (?)

GS
VfB Stuttgart (?)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 22-04-2013, 12:21	APOEL have qualified for European football as well and are 1 win away from winning the Cypriot championship. Anorthosis will qualify for European football if they win Omonia and AEK Larnaca loses by APOEL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 22-04-2013, 12:34 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 22-04-2013, 12:35	@luckyluke 3rd round Swansea City, Saint-Etienne, Hibernian (?) GS VfB Stuttgart (?) Hibernian will only qualify for QR3 if they win the Cup, else they start in QR2. Stuttgart will start in EL-GS if they win the Cup, else they start in EL-Q3 (assuming here that Stuttgart won't end up on 6th place or higher any more in the league)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 22-04-2013, 13:22	exactly the reason why I put the "?"

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Nixda Date: 22-04-2013, 14:00	@Forza about Stuttgart i wouldnt bet on them being below 6th. Theoretically they can even end on 4th and to quote a former manager: comes spring, comes VfB.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 22-04-2013, 15:50	And i would not bet on Stuttgart starting in G/S - Meaning they will win the cup final vs. Bayern. Rashter it will be QR3 for the loosing finalist. Better, in case they should rise to rank 6 or better.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: caravaj Date: 22-04-2013, 19:33	Bert, Didn't Paris SG qualify for Europe, as only 3 teams and St Etienne (already qualified) can go ahead of them ? I'm very cautious because Malko didn' notice it...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 22-04-2013, 20:30	caravaj, you're right. I missed that one

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 22-04-2013, 23:16	Manchester United are Champions of England, while Maccabi Tel Aviv are Champions of Israel

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 22-04-2013, 23:24 Edited by: Lorric at: 22-04-2013, 23:51	Congratulations mjohnson1989. Hope you have better luck in the Champions League next season.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 22-04-2013, 23:47	Thanks Lorric

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 22-04-2013, 23:54	You're welcome. I wonder how the BBC will cover this title win. They trashed Celtic's title win, and yet, your team has won by nearly the same margin of points. Will they say the title win is devalued because there was no competition? I suppose La Liga and the Bundesliga are worthless, hollow titles this year as well, as those teams (Barcelona and Bayern) had even greater levels of domination!

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 23-04-2013, 10:08	They've been a bit more complimentary to us. One thing I've noticed- In England, Spain and Germany the teams that finished as runners-up last season have won the title this season, which looks to be the case in Portugal and France too

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 25-04-2013, 11:04

A few more Champions League qualifiers and league titles could be sealed this weekend:

Barcelona: will win La Liga title if they win and Real Madrid lose

Real Madrid: will secure Group Stage place if they beat Atletico Madrid

Juventus: will win Serie A title if they win and Napoli lose

Paris Saint-Germain: will seal top three place if they win. If PSG win and Lyon fail to win, PSG will seal a top two place and a spot in the Group Stage

CSKA Moscow: will seal top two place if they win and Anzhi Makhachkala lose

Shakhtar Donetsk: will seal Premier League title and Group Stage place if they avoid defeat, or if Metalist Kharkiv fail to win

Galatasaray: will seal Super League title and Group Stage place if they win and Fenerbache lose

FC Copenhagen: will seal title, plus what seems certain to be a Group Stage place, if they win and Nordsjaelland lose

APOEL: will seal the title if they win or Anorthosis fail to win

Skenderbeu Korce: will win the title if they avoid defeat

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 25-04-2013, 11:33	A very small chance that the Dutch title is decided this weekend: Ajax will take the title (and a CL-GS spot) when they win, PSV and Feyenoord both lose and Vitesse doesn't win. When Ajax wins and only 2 of the 3 out of PSV (lose), Feyenoord (lose) and Vitesse (no win) happen Ajax will seal a CL-spot.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: scapulaire24 Date: 25-04-2013, 18:17 Edited by: scapulaire24 at: 25-04-2013, 18:19	@ Bert. Access list shows the access with 'title holder' spot used. As the 4 semi-finalists are qualified for next CL throught championship, I think you can refresh the list with the usual switches (Den CH in GS, Cyprus one in QR3...etc). Edit : I've just checked that Real in not qualified for CLGS yet. So we have to wait...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 25-04-2013, 20:27	Real Madrid only need one win from their last 6 games to secure a Group Stage place, plus it would take a long shot for them to reach the final now so it's pretty safe to make the usual adjustments

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 25-04-2013, 21:29	It's almost there. But as usual I wait until it's certain

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: rpo.castro Date: 27-04-2013, 12:00	I think this was explained in other topic but I can't find the answer. The portuguese National Cup Winner have access to EL Group Stage. But if Benfica wins, the qualifying teams for EL will be the 4th, 5th an 6th placed teams, right? In this case has the 4th placed team acess to Group Stage or there will be no portuguese teams direct to Group Stage?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lusankya Date: 27-04-2013, 14:15	If Benfica wins the Portuguese cup final, then the losing finalist will get a berth for the EL. Although they will get the worst EL spot unless they manage to get a better spot via league position. In this case the 4th placed team in the league would directly start in the EL group stage.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 27-04-2013, 19:14	Skenderbeu Korce have been crowned champions and will enter the Champions League in the Second Qualifying Round

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 27-04-2013, 21:54	Real Madrid beat Atletico so they've qualified for the Group Stage, as will the champions of Denmark, highly likely to be FC Copenhagen

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 27-04-2013, 22:25	PSV beat Groningen with 5-2 today and are now at least 4th, and so qualified for EL-Q3 at least.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 28-04-2013, 07:55	Greek Cup semi-final: Asteras Tripoli -PAOK 2–0 (3-2 agg). Tonight Olympiakos will qualify against Panthrakikos (6-2 in the first leg), so PAOK, Asteras Tripoli, Atromitos and PAS Giannina are qualified for European football. There is still talk though that PAS Giannina will not get a license.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: THEPOSH Date: 28-04-2013, 08:49	Bert The Access List should be updated. The titleholder spot will not be used for sure now. As for Copenhagen, even with a win tonight, it's still only 99,9% sure as they would lead with 12p with 12 points to play for.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 28-04-2013, 15:49 Edited by: Lorric at: 28-04-2013, 15:52	Motherwell have just defeated Celtic and qualified for the Europa League. One more point or Inverness dropping points in the last 3 games secures 2nd place for them. The race for third spot is looking interesting with 3 clubs within 2pts of each other. Motherwell - 60pts Inverness - 51pts St. Johnstone - 50pts Ross County - 49pts Who will join Motherwell in the Europa League?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 28-04-2013, 16:24	The 3rd Dutch European Cup participant is known. Feyenoord just trashed Heracles (6-0) and is now qualified for EL-Q3 at least.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 28-04-2013, 18:28 Edited by: mjohnson1989 at: 28-04-2013, 20:21	Shakhtar Donetsk have been crowned champions of Ukraine and will enter the Champions League in the Group Stage APOEL have been crowned champions of Cyprus and will enter the Champions League at the Second Qualifying Round Bayer Leverkusen have secured a top four finish Red Bull Salzburg have secured a top two finish

Author: ubik
Date: 28-04-2013, 20:56
Edited by: ubik
at: 28-04-2013, 20:58

   10 Greece                            37.100
------------------------------------------------------
      CL1=Olympiakos Piraeus            57.800 (ch/GS)
      CL2=                                     (ch/Q3)
       CW=                                     (eu/Q4)
      EL2=                                     (eu/Q3)
      EL3=                                     (eu/Q2)
(cup final May 11, Olympiakos Piraeus-Asteras Tripolis)
(PAOK Thessaloniki, Asteras Tripolis, Atromitos FC and
PAS Giannina qualified for European football)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 28-04-2013, 21:43	Paris Saint-Germain can seal Champions League qualification tonight. They're currently playing Evian TG, who knocked them out of the Coupe De France recently, and need a draw to secure a top three finish. If PSG win they will secure a top two finish and a place in the Group Stage. Currently 0-0

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 28-04-2013, 23:09	PSG won, making them the 11th team to secure their place in the Champions League Group Stage

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 29-04-2013, 08:54	@ mjohnson1989 APOEL will enter in CL QR3 since the Title Holder position will not be used.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 29-04-2013, 09:26	Bert, it should be Oly-Asteras in the Greek cup final.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 29-04-2013, 11:55	thx seso, my fault

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Recup Date: 29-04-2013, 14:06	Isn't it guaranteed that APOEL Nicosia will be seeded in 3rd and 4th Qualifying Rounds?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Nixda Date: 29-04-2013, 14:25	currently: FC Basel Sui 59.785 FC Křbenhavn Den 47.140 BATE Borisov Bls 39.175 Celtic Sco 37.538 Steaua Bucuresti Rom 35.604 APOEL Nicosia Cyp 35.366 As the TH spot is unused (Bayern, BVB, Barca and Real have GS places via national league) Denmarks champion will go directly into GS and we have a maximum of 4 teams with better coeff than APOEL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: jojo Date: 29-04-2013, 14:30	According to http://www.footballseeding.com/european-cups/champions-league-13-14/ it is sure. Also Bate and Celtic should be seeded.

Author: seso
Date: 29-04-2013, 14:40

I was away last week and it seems that I have missed some weird developments in the Greek league: Apparently Panathinaikos and Xanthi FC (that are equal on points and GD in the matches between them on 6th place), will play a play-off between them in order to decide which club gets the 6th place. This would be non essential normally, since neither club are in a European spot, but the FA worries (...???) that one of the top 5 clubs (probably PAS Giannina) will not get a European license. And since the normal play-offs for clubs positioned 2-5 take place from May 15th to June 2nd, there would be no time for a Pana-Xanthi match after that; therefore the match will be played before, on May 9th...
I thought this was a joke when I read it...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: jojo Date: 29-04-2013, 14:52	Sorry for the bad link, I'm not biggest friend with PC.. here it is: FootballSeeding.com Is it your site, nixda?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Nixda Date: 29-04-2013, 17:00	No. I havent got a page online. Tho i once wanted to do one regarding seeding and draw groupings by UEFA. Might i actually will try that this year.

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 02-05-2013, 15:35

A lot of Champions League qualification issues can be settled this weekend:

Manchester City: will secure top four finish with a win, will secure top three if Tottenham also fail to win

Atletico Madrid: will secure top four finish if they avoid defeat

Bayer Leverkusen: will secure Group Stage place if they win

Napoli: will secure top three finish if they win and Fiorentina fail to win. Will secure Group Stage place if they win, Fiorentina don't win and AC Milan lose

Benfica: will seal title if they win and Porto lose
Pacos de Ferreira: will secure third place if they win and Braga lose

Paris Saint-Germain: will seal title if they win and Marseilles fail to win

CSKA Moscow: will secure top two finish if they win
Zenit St Petersburg: will secure top two finish if they win and Anzhi Makhachkala lose

Ajax: will seal title if they win

Galatasaray: will seal title if they win
Fenerbache: will secure top two finish if they better Besiktas result

FC Copenhagen: will seal title if they win
FC Nordsjaelland: will secure top two finish if they win and AaB and Randers both fail to win

Steaua Bucharest: will seal title if they win and Pandurri and Petrolul both lose

Dinamo Tblisi: will seal title if they win

Malta: Hibernians & Birkirkara go into the final game only separated by goals scored, with Hibernians ahead

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 02-05-2013, 21:12	It's back to business as usual in Liechtenstein: http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=lie/news/newsid=1947329.html Vaduz did need a penalty shootout to get the cup back though.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 02-05-2013, 23:51	A couple of additions to my earlier post: Barcelona: will seal title if they win and Real Madrid fail to win Shirak: will seal title if they win and Mika lose

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 03-05-2013, 09:11 Edited by: executor at: 03-05-2013, 09:18	mjohnson1989: Steaua Bucharest: will seal title if they win and Pandurri and Petrolul both lose More appropriate would be: Steaua Bucharest will seal title if they win and Petrolul doesn't win (as Steaua face Pandurii this round). In this case, Steaua would be 16 pts above 2nd place with 5 rounds to go. EDIT: I give this scenario around 30% chance to happen.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 03-05-2013, 23:23	Nordsjaelland's draw tonight means that Copenhagen now only need a point to win the title. Braga's win means that Pacos de Ferreira cannot now seal third until next weekend

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 03-05-2013, 23:49	Shirak FC is champion in Armenia !

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 04-05-2013, 00:57	and Pyunik is qualifyed because they are playing cup final against Shirak

Author: AnelZ
Date: 04-05-2013, 04:24

After the next round (round 26) everything should get much clearer in the Bosnia and Herzegovina Premier League regarding European qualification. The only thing sure for now is that one club is already relegated. If Željezničar wins in the next round (away against Olimpic, very though opponent) we will maintain a minimum of 9 points advantage over second-placed Sarajevo who plays home against Zvijezda which they should win without problem.

In round 27 (out of 30) the big derby of Bosnia and Herzegovina football (the Sarajevo derby) will be played between Željezničar (1st) and Sarajevo (2nd) on Grbavica stadium on 8th May (sadly that is Wednesday). The time is yet to be determined but the kick-off will probably be at around 20:00 CEST.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 04-05-2013, 18:52	Well, that 30% scenario happened and Steaua is champion...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 04-05-2013, 20:02	Bayer Leverkusen won earlier today so they are guaranteed a place in the Group Stage

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: AnelZ Date: 04-05-2013, 21:34	Željezničar have guaranteed European football. In the next round (round 27) they can secure the title and Champions League QR2 with only a draw in the big Sarajevo derby against Sarajevo which will take part on 8 May 20:00 CEST at Grbavica Stadium.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 05-05-2013, 03:34	Dinamo Tbilisi have won the Georgian league.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 05-05-2013, 14:42	Ajax is a champion PSV goes to CL as non-champion becuase GD is huge comparing to Feyenoord. Feyenoord and Vitesse are sure for EL, just not sure about which phase they are entering. It depends also on the cup final result

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 05-05-2013, 14:44	Dila Gori from Georgia goes to EL Q1

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 05-05-2013, 19:14

@luckyluke

PSV is >99,9% sure of CL-Q3, because they are 3 points ahead of 3rd place with a GD of +37.
Feyenoord and Vitesse are certain of at least EL-Q3.
And AZ is >99,9% certain of at least EL-Q2 since they play the Cup final against PSV.

So only 1 European spot left in the Netherlands. 4 clubs will play for that spot in the EL-play-offs. Utrecht and Twente are already qualified for these play-offs. For the remaining 2 spots Groningen, Heerenveen, ADO Den Haag and AZ can still qualify. When AZ wins the Cupfinal on Thursday they won't have to play in the play-offs and the other 3 clubs will battle for 2 spots in the last matchday next Sunday.
When AZ will win the EL-play-offs the runner-up will also qualify for EL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 05-05-2013, 19:17 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 05-05-2013, 21:06	Arsenal and Chelsea both now qualified for international football. altogether 5 Tieckets ae sold: ManU, ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea and Swansea Four Clubs are fighting for the remaining two : Tottenham, Everton, Liverpool and Wigan Athletic. plus maybe fair play as ticket no #8. Edit: correction.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 05-05-2013, 19:57 Edited by: Lorric at: 05-05-2013, 19:58	@ Cloakmaster That's Wigan Athletic, not city. If Manchester City win vs West Brom on Tuesday, Wigan are in Europe for sure, and Manchester City are in the CL for sure. Tottenham can qualify for Europe if they win their next game which is that all important match vs Chelsea on Wednesday, which will drop Arsenal to 5th. If Chelsea win they'll be all but certain of CL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 05-05-2013, 20:32	Looks like Galatasaray are going to seal the title- they're 3-0 up with less than half an hour to go

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 05-05-2013, 21:01 Edited by: mjohnson1989 at: 05-05-2013, 21:20	Job done for Galatasaray, they won 4-1. FC Copenhagen have also secured the Danish title. 15 sides have now secured Group Stage places: Manchester United Barcelona Real Madrid Bayern Munich Borussia Dortmund Bayer Leverkusen Juventus Benfica Porto Paris Saint-Germain Shakhtar Donetsk Ajax Galatasaray Olympiakos FC Copenhagen

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 05-05-2013, 23:33	Birkirkara FC securing the CL in Malta. The enter CL-Q1 The Hibernians are 2ns and start in ELQ1 Third (and last) pasticipant will be determined by the cup. Birkirkara is already out there, so the losing cup finalist won't be qualified. If the Hibernians win the cup, then it will be Valetta (as they finished third in the league).

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 06-05-2013, 01:15 Edited by: luckyluke at: 06-05-2013, 01:16	wiki says: Birkirkara and Hibernians finished the season level on points. A play-off will decide the title. 11.05. 17:00 Valletta is 3rd by GD and they are sure for EL Q1

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: minha_galera Date: 06-05-2013, 07:59	Both Legia Warsaw and Lech Poznan qualified for European football (18 and 16 points ahead respectively above the 4th team with 5 matches to go)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: TP Date: 06-05-2013, 17:04	@luckyluke "Dila Gori from Georgia goes to EL Q1" If Dinamo Tbilisi wins the cup, then Dila Gori goes to EL Q2.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 07-05-2013, 22:46	Manchester City have sealed their place in the CLGS with a win over West Brom.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 08-05-2013, 00:37	...which means that Wigan Athletic is qualified for sure ! But they're struggling in the league, losing 2-3 at home vs. Swansea today and are now 3 points behind 17th, just 2 remaining games. Next one away at Arsenal, so that looks like a Championshipp-team (2nd league in England) will participate in Europe !

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 08-05-2013, 00:50	Just like Birmingham looks like. Qualify via cup, get relegated... I was watching the score for the Wigan match and it went 1-0/1-1/2-1/2-2/2-3. No! NO! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Please just win the FA Cup Wigan and skip the qualifiers. I don't think we'll get as lucky as we did with Birmingham.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: luckyluke Date: 08-05-2013, 10:35	bert when you moved cyprus cw to Q4, now there are 19 clubs in Q4 EL 2013/2014 access list?!

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 08-05-2013, 11:14	@luckyluke I'm guessing that is because one team will be moved from ELQR4 to ELGS, but we don't know which one at this point. If the ELTH isn't used, then it's the CW of 7th placed (Russia). If Chelsea wins EL, but finishes 5th and Wigan wins FA Cup, then it's Chelsea.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 08-05-2013, 18:44 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 08-05-2013, 18:59	Chelsea has an Entry to Europe secured, they will be at least 5th in Premier League. So no matter what will happen, the cup winners of Cyprus, cyech Republik, Ireland and Slowenia move up one Round each. I wonder why the cup winner of San Marino is missing. It does so on www.kicker.de as well. But the final was played on April 30th with SP La Fiorita winning over SS San Giovanni by 1:0

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 08-05-2013, 19:22	@Cloakmaster La Fiorita can still become champions and qualify for the CL. So that is why they aren't listed in EL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 08-05-2013, 19:39 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 08-05-2013, 19:40	Nevertheless they ARE Cup winner, and therefore qualyfied in EL. It is again about facts and options: The Cup is the fact, the possible Championship an option. In Case they will be champion as well it has to be changed, of course. And this explains not, why the kicker is not up to that cup final...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 08-05-2013, 20:35	Dinamo Tbilisi-Chikhura final in the cup, which means that Torpedo Kutaisi and Chikhura will play in the EL beside Dila Gori and obviously Dinamo Tbilisi in the CL as champions of Gruzia (Georgia).

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cloakmaster Date: 08-05-2013, 22:38	Austria Vienna has won the 2nd cup semi final. SV Pasching now qualyfied for Europe.

Author: SirHenri
Date: 08-05-2013, 23:34
Edited by: SirHenri
at: 09-05-2013, 00:08

Napoli secures their CL-Group-Stage place.

Inter misses out completely !

Odessa (Ukr) reach EL (by reaching cup final vs. Donezk)

So does Jagodina (SRB) (by winning the cup)

And Hapoel Ramat-Gan reaches ELQ3 by winning the cup in Israel !
(Although they are on bottom of the league and will surely be relegated to 2nd division !)

Similar for Pasching (Aus) who might even stay in third league. They reach EL for sure !

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 09-05-2013, 00:04	Could have a similar situation in England. Wigan look very likely to go down but are guaranteed a Europa League place and could win the FA Cup on Saturday!

Author: nemesys
Date: 09-05-2013, 16:08

@Bert
Juventus 86; Napoli 75; Milan 68;
Fiorentina 64; Udinese 60; Roma, Lazio 58; Inter 53.
- Milan should be sure to be at least 4th in Serie A, hence it is already qualified for European football I believe.
- Fiorentina probably needs one more point to be 100% sure of qualification (2 matches to the end), but I believe that if not qualified is forcedly about negative H2H.
Sure: Juventus (CLGS), Napoli (CLGS), Milan (CLQ4 OR ELQ4).
EL from Coppa Italia (ELGS): Roma or Lazio.
CL/EL from Serie A (ELQ4/ELQ3): Milan, Fiorentina, Udinese, Roma and Lazio are the only clubs left in race for the remaining CLQ4 spot and the 2 EL QR spots; with Milan and Fiorentina the only two clubs which can grab the CLQR spot.

Cheers!

- nemesys

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 09-05-2013, 20:04	After today`s games Neftchi Baki is practically champions of Azerbaijan, their lead is 6 points with 2 games left and their goal difference is better than Qarabag`s by 13 goals. In the cup final: Neftchi-Khazar Lankaran, so Khazar qualified to the EL, along with Qarabag and Inter Baki.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 09-05-2013, 23:16 Edited by: SirHenri at: 09-05-2013, 23:32	My source says Neftchi PFK has just a 1-point-lead with 2 matches to go. http://www.weltfussball.de/wettbewerb/aze-premyer-liqa/ edit : seems you are right, my source weltfussball just doesn't add the 6 play-off-games to the regular season (they rarely makes mistakes like this), but at FIFA, soccerway they all have Neftchi with that 6-point-lead

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: seso Date: 10-05-2013, 06:47 Edited by: seso at: 10-05-2013, 08:58	Greek play-off for 6th place: Panathinaikos-Xanthi 3-0 So Pana gets the 6th place which for the moment doesn't mean anything... Also the 6th place is (equally) the worst position that the club has finished at in its history in the Greek league.

Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 10-05-2013, 12:47

We could see a lot more CL qualifications secured this weekend

Chelsea: will secure top four finish if they win and Tottenham fail to win, although Chelsea's goal difference means that a win will realistically be enough

Barcelona: will seal title if they win, or if Real Madrid fail to win

Schalke: will secure fourth if they win and both Eintracht Frankfurt and Freiburg fail to win

AC Milan: will secure third if they win

Benfica: will seal title if they beat Porto
Pacos de Ferreira: will secure third if they win

Paris Saint-Germain: will seal title if they beat Lyon
Marseilles: will secure top three if they win, second if that is coupled with a Lyon defeat

Zenit St Petersburg: will secure top two finish if they win

Fenerbache: will secure second if they better Besiktas' result

Nordsjaelland: will secure second if they better Randers' result

Slovan Bratislava: will seal title if they better Senica's result

Gyor: will seal title if they win and Videoton lose

Zeljeznicar: will seal title if they avoid defeat

Maribor: will seal title if they win and Olimpija lose

Sheriff Tiraspol: will seal title if they win and Dacia Chisinau fail to win

Neftchi Baku: will seal title if they avoid defeat

Sutjeska: will seal the title if they win and Buducnost Podgorica lose

Plus there's the title play-off in Malta (if only they had one of those in England)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 10-05-2013, 14:19	@Bert Anzhi Makhachkala qualified for Europe, there`re in the cup final vs. CSKA Moskva (qualified to CL).

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Todor Date: 10-05-2013, 19:04	In Bulgaria, Levski secured European place, Ludogoretz did it previous week.

Author: NecmiMurat_Istanbul
Date: 10-05-2013, 22:57

-In my country Turkey, as 5th-placed Kasimpasa lost their game (and fell to 6th-place) and the new 5th-placed Kayserispor cannot climb to 4th-place, Bursaspor (whose president died this week) qualified for Europe 4th time in last 4 years (unlikely for Turkish teams except Besiktas, Fenerbahce, Galatasaray and Trabzonspor).

-After Metalist Kharkiv's win today, Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk lost their chance to be 2nd, thus they qualified for EL (Q4 or Q3 or Q2).

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-05-2013, 16:57	Chelsea beat Aston Villa so barring a 17-goal swing they're in the Champions League next season

Author: Nick
Date: 11-05-2013, 17:58
Edited by: Nick
at: 11-05-2013, 18:24

Ludogorets is already qualified in Bulgaria after todays win over Slavia.
Actually the main question is if Beroe will manage to make a huge upset in the Cup final and send Botev out of Europe.
CSKA needs 2 wins in 4 games (2 at home) to be unreachable for 4th placed Botev. And even that implies that Botev wins all 4 games until the end including the one in Razgrad.
The big question is what will happen if Botev qualifies for the EL. According to UEFA rules they should not get a license because they merged 2 1/2 years ago with Metalik Sopot in order to get their 3rd division license. If UEFA is sticking to it's own rules they should still be under the 3 year automatic ban for newly founded clubs.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 11-05-2013, 20:10	ELGS - Wigan Athletic ELQ4 - England 5th ELQ3 - Swansea City

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: duncshine Date: 11-05-2013, 21:07	Can't help thinking Wigan's win is good news for England's coefficient as being a great story. Wigan straight into the Group Stages should at least pick up some points, while 5th place (Spurs or Arsenal) should qualify comfortably. Only Swansea may still struggle but if Man C had won today there was the very real danger of England only having one team in the group stages.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 11-05-2013, 21:28 Edited by: Lorric at: 11-05-2013, 21:29	Yes, now I hope Wigan survive the Premier League. Don't like the new rule for the top 6 cup winners getting into the GS, but like Portugal with Academica last year, England has benefitted big time here. EDIT: Of course, Arsenal/Spurs could crash out and turn that on it's head...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-05-2013, 21:28	Are Swansea likely to be seeded with England's base coefficient?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 11-05-2013, 21:29	Currently, yes, the base coefficient will likely be enough.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-05-2013, 21:33	Pacos de Ferreira have secured third place in Portugal so they will enter the Champions League in the Play-Off Round Marseilles have secured a top three finish. If PSG beat Lyon tomorrow and claim the title, Marseilles will secure second

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 11-05-2013, 21:36	Porto/Benfica has begun! I'm watching it now!

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 11-05-2013, 21:44	Sorry guys, that I am not able to answer your questions and remarks these days. But be sure they are appreciated. It's difficult for me to find opportunities to update the website. Hope to do a better job next week.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-05-2013, 21:58 Edited by: mjohnson1989 at: 11-05-2013, 22:06	Birkirkara beat Hibernians in the Maltese title play-off Also, Zeljeznicar have secured the Bosnian title Birkirkara and Zeljeznicar will both enter the Champions League in the Second Qualifying Round

Author: ubik
Date: 11-05-2013, 22:09
Edited by: ubik
at: 11-05-2013, 22:13

10 Greece                               37.100
----------------------------------------------
   CL1=Olympiakos Piraeus               57.800 (ch/GS)
   CL2=                                        (ch/Q3)
   EL1=                                        (eu/Q4)
   EL2=                                        (eu/Q3)
   EL3=                                        (eu/Q2)
(CW=Olympiakos Piraeus, LC=Asteras Tripolis)
(PAOK Thessaloniki, Asteras Tripolis, Atromitos FC and
 PAS Giannina qualified for European football)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 11-05-2013, 23:27	Full Time from the Primeira Liga: Porto 2-1 Benfica 19-year-old Kelvin scored the winner with virtually the last kick, meaning that Benfica's unbeaten record is over and Porto have gone top with one round of matches to go

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 11-05-2013, 23:45	Yes. Although it means nothing in terms of qualification as they're both going to the GS, it looks like Benfica have thrown away what looked like a sure title win in the last 2 games. The pressure goes on Porto now though, they haven't won the title yet...

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 12-05-2013, 00:26	Motherwell are 2nd in Scotland. The Scottish Cup final will decide whether they start in ELQ2 or ELQ3.

Author: NecmiMurat_Istanbul
Date: 12-05-2013, 11:07

-Olympique Marseille secured top 3 so they will be in CL Q3 or CL GS.
-Greek cup winner is Olympiakos, runners-up is Asteras Tripolis.
-Maribor is Slovenian champions, so NK Celje will be in EL next year because they'll play the cup final with Maribor.
-Bosnia Herzegovina's part still includes "Zeljeznicar Sarajevo qualified for Europe", you can remove it.
-Sporting Braga can qualify for EL GS if Benfica win the Portuguese cup final.

FOR CL PAGE:

-Maribor is seeded with 9.941 as they became champion, so Hafnarfjardar became unseeded.
-Since Red Star and Partizan have a match between them, Vojvodina cannot be champion so the Serbian champions will have 8.425-17.425 coefficient which means Serbian champion is seeded.
-Since Vardar and Turnovo have a match between them, Rabotnicki cannot be champion so the Macedonian champions will have 1.050-2.300 coefficient which means Macedonian champions are unseeded.
-Paços de Ferreira is unseeded in CL Q4.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 12-05-2013, 16:39	Tottenham won 2-1 at Stoke, finally winning a game without a goal from Bale. Pressure's on you now Arsenal on Tuesday against the desperate Wigan...

Author: AnelZ
Date: 12-05-2013, 17:15
Edited by: AnelZ
at: 12-05-2013, 17:16

Željezničar are crowned Bosnian Champions, probably will be the highest unseeded team in CL QR2. Široki Brijeg have a guaranteed place in EL QR (1 or 2, depends if the win or lose the second leg of the final) as at least cup finalist as they are playing against Željezničar, while Sarajevo as second place team also have a guaranteed place in EL QR (1 or 2, depends on who wins the cup). The last EL QR (only QR1 available) spot is chased by three teams, namely Olimpic (third), Borac (-1 point) and Čelik (-3 points) with two round to go.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 12-05-2013, 18:14	Nordsjaelland have secured second place and will enter the Champions League in the Third Qualifying Round (co-efficient 12.640)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 12-05-2013, 20:52	Lokomotiva Zagreb secured their European debut next season. They will start from EL-Q2 as unseeded team. Split, Rijeka and Hajduk will fight for the remaining two Croatian EL spots. This means at least one of them will have a coefficient of 4.916, while the second one will have either 4.916 or 8.916.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 12-05-2013, 21:17	Gyor have won the Hungarian title and will enter the Champions League in the Second Qualifying Round (co-efficient 3.850)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 12-05-2013, 21:39 Edited by: bugylibicska at: 12-05-2013, 21:41	Gyor had been banned from UEFA competition in 2011 for 3 consecutive years, so are not eligible to play in CL or EL.

Author: Lorric
Date: 12-05-2013, 22:16
Edited by: Lorric
at: 13-05-2013, 03:14

Scotland's final European place will be decided on Sunday.

Inverness are away at Ross County, who were removed from the race today by Motherwell. Inverness only need match St. Johnstone's result at home against that same Motherwell. If they don't, then St. Johnstone will take the place.

After watching Porto/Benfica, another tempting match is on the card next week on Saturday. Partizan vs Red Star. Partizan have a 2pt lead over Red Star with 3 games to go. But as these two are the dominant force in that league like Porto and Benfica, it is likely the result of this match will decide where the title goes. I hope I can find a stream.

EDIT: Maybe not, Red Star still have to play the dangerous Vojvodina away. This is the top 4 in the table and thus why Vojvodina is significant:

Partizan - 64
Red Star - 62
Vojvodina - 55
Jagodina - 43

I wonder if this was done on purpose, Partizan away and Vojvodina away in the last 3 games for Red Star, since Partizan normally run away with the title.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: minha_galera Date: 12-05-2013, 22:41	Also in Poland next week Legia plays Lech with Legia having 2 points advantage over Lech and 4 matches to go.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 12-05-2013, 23:31	After the end of the regular season these are the Dutch CL/EL spots: CL GS: Ajax CL Q3: PSV EL Q4: AZ EL Q4: Feyenoord EL Q3: Vitesse Utrecht, Twente, Groningen and Heerenveen will play in the EL-play-offs (16, 19, 23 and 26 May) for the EL Q2 spot.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 12-05-2013, 23:39	Paris Saint-Germain have secured the Ligue 1 title, which in turn guarantees that Marseilles will join them in the Champions League Group Stage next season. Lyon, Lille, Nice and St Ettiene still have a chance of the third and final spot with two games to go

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: m-p3 Date: 13-05-2013, 00:13 Edited by: m-p3 at: 13-05-2013, 00:17	@ bugylibicska Consequently, Györi ETO FC have been disqualified from participating in one* of the UEFA club competitions for which it may have qualified in the next three seasons (2011/12, 2012/13 and 2013/14).* Link Gyor left suspension, he missed this season 12/13. So are eligible to play in CL 13/14.

Author: bugylibicska
Date: 13-05-2013, 00:35
Edited by: bugylibicska
at: 13-05-2013, 05:37

``On 19 June 2011 UEFA suspended the club for violations of licensing rules. As a consequence the club cannot participate in European competitions for three consecutive seasons.``
That`s how written on their official website, but I`ve searched more diligently and it seems you`re right. I`ve found the sentence you`ve quoted. Well, that makes me quite happy, because Gyor is about 150 km from my base in Hungary, so an easy 2 hours drive. Thanks for correction.
P.S. I`ve found this article in a newspaper from Gyor. Here`s it in original Hungarian:
``Győri ETO FC és az MLSZ félreértelmezte az UEFA határozatát, eszerint az nem 3 évre vonatkozik, hanem az elkövetkezendő 3 évben egy részvételre.``
Rough translation:``Gyori ETO and Hungarian Football Association misunderstood the decision of UEFA, so the club`s suspension is not for the length of 3 years, but during the next 3 years for one participation.``
I find this curious, I`d like to see the original text of the decision, how come it was misunderstood. The article says that the president of the club travelled to the UEFA headquarters in Nyon to clarify the context of the suspension. Weird.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: AnelZ Date: 13-05-2013, 03:06	@Lorric - just one correction. Vojvodina didn't won the Serbian Cup. It was won by Jagodina and it was played on a neutral field (JNA stadium - home stadium of Partizan) and the end result was Vojvodina 0-1 Jagodina.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Lorric Date: 13-05-2013, 03:12 Edited by: Lorric at: 13-05-2013, 03:15	Oops I have removed the misinformation.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: omonia Date: 13-05-2013, 07:54	In Cyprus, Anorthosis Famagusta have secured a spot in ELQ2. In the last matchday we have Omonia Nicosia vs AEKition, where Omonia needs not to lose and AEK needs to win to get a spot in the EL.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: ellinikos Date: 13-05-2013, 08:44	Olympique de Marseille/FRANCE is sure to finish 2nd now. That's mean they have direct access to GS of Champion's League. (there are still 2 match to play in France Ligue 1 and Marseille (2nd) is above Lyon (3rd) with +7 pts).

Author: TP
Date: 13-05-2013, 10:16

Why https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/qual2013.html says that:

32 Bosnia-Herzegovina 8.416
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CL=Zeljeznicar Sarajevo 4.566 (ch/Q2)
CW/CF=Siroki Brijeg 3.316 (eu/Q2) or (eu/Q1)
EL2=FK Sarajevo 5.066 (eu/Q1)
EL3= (eu/Q1)

It should be:

32 Bosnia-Herzegovina 8.416
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CL=Zeljeznicar Sarajevo 4.566 (ch/Q2)
CW/CF=Siroki Brijeg 3.316 (eu/Q2) or (eu/Q1)
EL2=FK Sarajevo 5.066 (eu/Q1) or (eu/Q2)
EL3= (eu/Q1)

Or am I missing something?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 13-05-2013, 10:42	I don't know if this is important, but the EL3 from Romania has this range: EL3 Rom 4.604 - 16.104 as CFR Cluj cannot finish above 5th. They can qualify for EL, but only as CW.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 13-05-2013, 18:01	@Bert Some minor corrections: England: Tottenham qualified for Europe Spain: Valencia and Real Sociedad qualified for Europe Belgium: Anderlecht qualified for Europe

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 13-05-2013, 21:10	Thank you all for your contributions (some also by mail). All remarks have now been considered for the Qualification and Seeding CL page (except the group stage). Hope to work tomorrow on the Seeding EL page.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 14-05-2013, 09:10	Fenerbache have qualified for the Champions League and will enter in the Third Qualifying Round (co-efficient 46.400) Bursaspor and Besiktas have qualified for the Europa League and will enter in the Second and Third Qualifying Round respectively (Bursaspor co-efficient 14.900, Besiktas co-efficient 34.900)

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: TP Date: 14-05-2013, 16:00	What are the rules for classification in Turkish league? I thought it was 1) points; 2) goal difference; 3) number of goals scored. What if on next weekend Fenerbahce loses and Besiktas wins? Besiktas have better goal difference or both teams have same. Besiktas' number of goals is bigger.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 14-05-2013, 16:08	Teams are ranked by total points, then head-to-head record, then goal difference, and then goals scored. So Fenerbahce is secured 2nd and so secured entry in CLQ3, where they could be seeded if Basel gets champion in Switzerland.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 14-05-2013, 16:30	The games just ended in Azerbaijan, so now it`s official: Neftchi are champions (4 points ahead and only 1 round to go), Khazar Lankaran go to EL for sure as cup finalist (Neftchi-Khazar final) with the already known teams Qarabag and Inter Baki.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 14-05-2013, 17:18	Another big game in England tonight with Arsenal playing Cup winners Wigan. Current standings: 3 Chelsea Pld 37 GD 35 Pts 72 4 Tottenham Pld 37 GD 19 Pts 69 5 Arsenal Pld 36 GD 31 Pts 67 If Arsenal don't win tonight then Chelsea are mathematically assured of a top four place, although Tottenham's goal difference means that realistically they'd be in the top three

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: TP Date: 14-05-2013, 18:16	@SirHenri Thanks for information! Someone should fix the wrong info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_S%C3%BCper_Lig#League_table

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 14-05-2013, 19:53	Well, I've got my informations from wiki as well, so that's quite contradictory... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCper_Lig If anyone knows for sure, if it's goal differende or H2H, please inform us.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Madeirense Date: 14-05-2013, 20:24 Edited by: Madeirense at: 14-05-2013, 20:28	t

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: jojo Date: 15-05-2013, 00:13	I wrote an email to footballseeding.com, because I know from sunday that they have added Fenerbahce to their Champions League seeding page sooner than wikipedia. So they probably know turkish league rules. So I'll see if/what they will say. Or some turkish fan visiting this forum can help us?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bugylibicska Date: 15-05-2013, 02:41	Turkey: 18 teams, 34 MDs, bottom 3 relegates. Tie-breakers: 1. Head-to-head points 2. Head-to-head goal difference 3. Overall goal difference 4. Overall goals scored 5. Overall games won

Author: AnelZ
Date: 15-05-2013, 03:12

Yesterday, the second leg of the cup final was played in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Široki Brijeg won on penalites (5-4 in 7 shootouts) against Željezničar. So know it looks like this in Bosnia and Herzegovina:

Željezničar - 2 QR CL (Champions)
Široki Brijeg - 2 QR EL (Cup Winner)
Sarajevo - 1 QR EL (guaranteed second place in league)
Third placed team in league - 1 QR EL (Olimpic, Borac or Čelik)

Author: Todor
Date: 15-05-2013, 08:41
Edited by: Todor
at: 15-05-2013, 09:15

Etar decided to stop its participation in the league, so Levski will be awarded a 3:0 win and thus can't fall below 2nd. As a result the coefficients of the Bulgarian participants in EL are as follows:

EL1 = 3.45 or 11.95 (Beroe, Levski or Ludogoretz)

EL2 = 2.45 - 11.95 (Botev, Ludogoretz, Levski or CSKA)

EL3 = 2.45 - 8.45 (Botev, Beroe, Litex or CSKA)

As a result the seeding of EL2 and EL3 is not known.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 15-05-2013, 09:06	For Romania: CW Rom 4.604 - 30.604 EL2 Rom 4.604 - 13.604 because SC Vaslui cannot finish above 3rd. It is true that the 3rd placed team can be EL2, but only if the CW is 2nd and right now the team on 2nd place is Pandurii, out of the Cup and unreachable by Vaslui.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 15-05-2013, 09:54	executor, thx for feedback. But I think Petrolul can finsish 2nd and win the cup, so Vaslui can still grab the EL2 spot.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 15-05-2013, 10:03	Yes, but if Petrolul finishes 2nd, that means Pandurii is at best 3rd and Vaslui can't go above Pandurii

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: bert.kassies Date: 15-05-2013, 10:46	Yes, you're right

Author: Lorric
Date: 15-05-2013, 15:22

There is the possibility of Chelsea and Arsenal requiring a playoff to decide who gets 3rd place...

Chelsea - 72pts, F73 A38 GD+35
Arsenal - 70pts, F71 A37 GD+34

Picture this, say a 0-0 draw for Chelsea and a 2-1 win for Arsenal or a 1-1 draw for Chelsea and a 3-2 win for Arsenal...

Chelsea - 73pts, F73 A38 GD+35
Arsenal - 73pts, F73 A38 GD+35

or

Chelsea - 73pts, F74 A39 GD+35
Arsenal - 73pts, F74 A39 GD+35

It says it here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22537372

It's weird they're not even going to consider head to head. They don't talk about it there, but Chelsea beat Arsenal 2-1 in both matches, so surely it would be easier to just give Chelsea the tie break.

But the playoff would be quite something, wouldn't it?

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 15-05-2013, 17:12	@Lorric It's weird they're not even going to consider head to head. They don't talk about it there, but Chelsea beat Arsenal 2-1 in both matches, so surely it would be easier to just give Chelsea the tie break. If there is no head-to-head in the regulations the English FA can't just give Chelsea the advantage. I assume a play-off match is mentioned in the regulations.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: mjohnson1989 Date: 15-05-2013, 17:34	Yes, a play-off match is mentioned in the regulations, apparently

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: SirHenri Date: 15-05-2013, 18:09 Edited by: SirHenri at: 15-05-2013, 18:10	yeah that's england, always something special in the rules ... or is there any other country where not both H2H and GD is used before they make a play-off-match ?!? But I'd like to see this scenario, one great extra match, why not.

Author: Mariusz
Date: 15-05-2013, 19:42

Only six clubs from Polish Ekstraklasa received a license for European competition from Polish federation.

These are: Lech Poznan, Legia Warszawa and four clubs with league coefficient: Korona Kielce, Lechia Gdańsk, Zagłębie Lubin and Piast Gliwice.
Other clubs with higher coefficient haven't satisfied financial criteria (Slask Wroclaw, Wisla Krakow, Ruch Chorzow and Polonia Warszawa) or stadium criteria (Jagiellonia Bialystok).

Clubs will probably appeal against this decision.

Polonia Warszawa didn't even get a license for the next season of Ekstraklasa due to serious financial problems.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 15-05-2013, 20:00	@SirHenri Netherlands also doesn't use head-to-head to determine the champions or relegation. However it has never happened before that 2 teams ended equal on points, GD and GS.

Author: Lorric
Date: 15-05-2013, 20:12
Edited by: Lorric
at: 15-05-2013, 20:12

@ Mariusz

So... That's interesting.

Legia Warsaw have taken the cup. If they go on to take the league title, that means runners up Slask will miss out on Europe.

Legia and Lech will finish top two. As it stands for the other clubs with licenses, Piast Gliwice are third. So no effect there so far, but then it's all the way down to 8th for Zaglębie Lubin.

Lechia are 10th, Korona 12th. Both these are 2pts behind Zaglębie Lubin. So we've got a little tussle lower down the table for the final European place, while Legia and Lech squabble over the title.

Slask will miss out anyway it seems. They are currently 5th.

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: Todor Date: 15-05-2013, 20:16 Edited by: Todor at: 15-05-2013, 20:16	Beroe won Bulgarian Cup, so now the situation with the Bulgarian qualification is as follows: CL1 : Ludogoretz or Levski - 3.45-11.95 EL1 : Beroe - 3.45 EL2 : Ludogoretz or Levski - 3.45-11.95 EL3 : CSKA or Botev - 2.45 - 8.45

Author: Madeirense
Date: 15-05-2013, 20:20
Edited by: Madeirense
at: 16-05-2013, 00:27

After analysing all 53 countries of Uefa, the following list which I made up, updated with the results of today?s matches, shows all the teams who either have already qualified for the European Competitions 2013-2014 or who still have mathematical possibilities of doing so. For better understanding, teams with names in capital letter show that these teams have already qualified for the specific competition and round, names of teams in small letters followed by (Q) show the teams who have qualified for European Competitions but still uncertain for which round or eventually for which competition and names in small letters show the teams who have not yet qualified but have mathematical possibilities of doing so.
If anybody thinks that some information is not correct, then I?ll be curious to hear from you.

1 Inglaterra      (falta 1 jornada)
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CN=CL/GS          MANCHESTER UNITED
N2=CL/GS          MANCHESTER CITY
N3=CL/GS          Chelsea(Q)/Arsenal(Q)/Tottenham(Q)
N4=CL/Q4          Arsenal(Q)/Tottenham(Q)/Chelsea(Q)
VT=EL/GS          WIGAN
N5=EL/Q4          Tottenham(Q)/Chelsea(Q)/Arsenal(Q)
VTL=EL/Q3         SWANSEA CITY

2 Espanha         (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça, Málaga interditado)
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CN=CL/GS          BARCELONA
N2=CL/GS          REAL MADRID
N3=CL/GS          ATLÉTICO MADRID
N4=CL/Q4          Valencia(Q)/Real Sociedad(Q)/Betis
N5=EL/GS          Real Sociedad(Q)/Betis/Valencia(Q)
N6=EL/Q4          Betis/Valencia(Q)/Real Sociedad(Q)/Sevilha/Getafe/Rayo
                  Vallecano/Espańol/Valladolid
N7=EL/Q3          Sevilha/Atlético Bilbau/Levante/Betis/Getafe/Rayo
                  Vallecano/Espańol/Valladolid



3 Alemanha       (falta 1 jornada + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          BAYERN MUNIQUE
N2=CL/GS          BORUSSIA DORTMUND
N3=CL/GS          BAYER LEVERKUSEN
N4=CL/Q4          Schalke 04(Q)/Freiburg/Eintracht Frankfurt
VT/N5=EL/GS       Estugarda(Q)/Schalke 04(Q)/Freiburg/Eintracht Frankfurt/Hamburgo
N5/N6=EL/Q4       Eintracht Frankfurt/Schalke 04(Q)/Freiburg/Borussia
                  Mönchengladbach/Hamburgo
N6/PT=EL/Q3       Freiburg/Schalke 04(Q)/Borussia Mönchengladbach/Eintracht
                  Frankfurt/Hamburgo/Estugarda(Q)

4 Itália          (falta 1 jornada + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          JUVENTUS
N2=CL/GS          NÁPOLI
N3=CL/Q4          AC Milan(Q)/Fiorentina(Q)
VT=EL/GS          Roma/Lazio
N4=EL/Q4          Fiorentina(Q)/AC Milan(Q)
N5/N6=EL/Q3       Udinese/Lazio

5 Portugal        (falta 1 jornada + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          FC PORTO/BENFICA
N2=CL/GS          BENFICA/FC PORTO
N3=CL/Q4          PAÇOS DE FERREIRA
VT/N4=EL/GS       Vitória Guimarăes(Q)/SC Braga(Q)
N4/N5=EL/Q4       SC Braga(Q)/Vitória Guimarăes(Q)/Estoril/Rio Ave
N5/N6/PT=EL/Q3    Vitória Guimarăes(Q)/Estoril/Rio Ave


6 França          (faltam 2 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          PARIS SAINT-GERMAIN
N2=CL/GS          MARSELHA
N3=CL/Q3          Lyon/Lille/Saint Étienne(Q)/Nice
VT=EL/GS          Bordeaux/Evian
N4/N5=EL/Q4       Lille/Saint-Étienne(Q)/Lyon/Nice
VTL/N5/N6=EL/Q3   Saint-Étienne(Q)/Lyon/Nice/Lille

7 Rússia          (faltam 2 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          CSKA MOSCOW/ZENIT ST PETERSBURG
N2=CL/Q3          ZENIT ST PETERSBURG/CSKA MOSCOW
VT/N3=EL/Q4       Anzhi(Q)/Dinamo Moscow/Rubin Kazan/Spartak Moscow/Kuban
                  Krasnodar/Terek Grozny
N3/N4=EL/Q4       Dinamo Moscow/Anzhi(Q)/Rubin Kazan/Spartak Moscow/Kuban
                  Krasnodar/Terek Grozny/Krasnodar
N4/N5=EL/Q3       Rubin Kazan/Spartak Moscow/Dinamo Moscow/Anzhi(Q)/Kuban
                  Krasnodar/Terek Grozny/Krasnodar
N5/N6/PT=EL/Q2    Kuban Krasnodar/Rubin Kazan/Dinamo Moscow/Spartak
                  Moscow/Anzhi(Q)/Krasnodar/Terek Grosny

8 Holanda         (faltam 4 jornadas do play-off para 1 lugar na Liga Europa)
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CN=CL/GS          AJAX
N2=CL/Q3          PSV
VT=EL/Q4          AZ ALKMAAR
N3=EL/Q4          FEYENOORD
N4=EL/Q3          VITESSE
N5/N6/N7/N8=EL/Q2 Heerenveen/FC Twente/FC Utrecht/Groningen

9 Ucrânia         (faltam 2 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS          SHAKHTAR DONETSK
N2=CL/Q3          Metalist Kharkiv(Q)/Dinamo Kiev(Q)
VT/N3=EL/Q4       Dinamo Kiev(Q)/Metalist Kharkiv(Q)/FC Dnipro(Q)/Chornomets
                  Odessa(Q)
N3/N4=EL/Q4     FC Dnipro(Q)/Dinamo Kiev(Q)/Metalist Kharkiv(Q)
N4/N5=EL/Q3       Metalursk Donetsk/FC Dnipro(Q)/Chornomets Odessa(Q)/
                  Krybas/Dinamo Kiev(Q)
N5/N6/PT=EL/Q2    Chornomets Odessa(Q)/Metalursk Donetsk/Illichivets/Krybas

10 Grécia         (faltam 5 jornadas do play-off)
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CN=CL/GS=         OLYMPIAKOS
N2=CL/Q3=         Paok(Q)/Asteras(Q)/Atromitos(Q)/PAS Giannina(Q)
N3=EL/Q4=         Asteras(Q)/Paok(Q)/Atromitos(Q)/PAS Giannina(Q)
N4=EL/Q3=         Atromitos(Q)/Paok(Q)/Asteras(Q)/PAS Giannina(Q)
N5=EL/Q2=         PAS Giannina(Q)/Paok(Q)/Asteras(Q)/Atromitos(Q)

11 Turquia        (falta 1 jornada e final da Taça)
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CN=CL/GS=         GALATSARAY
N2=CL/Q3=         FENERBAHÇE(??)
VT/N3=EL/Q4       Trabzonspor(Q)/Besiktas(Q)
N3/N4=EL/Q3       Besiktas(Q)/Bursaspor(Q)
N4/N5/PT=EL/Q2    Bursaspor(Q)/Trabzonspor(Q)

12 Bélgica        (faltam 2 jornadas do play-off e final para 1 lugar Liga Europa)
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CN=CL/GS          Anderlecht(Q)/Club Brugge/Zulte Waregem
N2=CL/Q3          Club Brugge/Anderlecht(Q)/Racing Genk(Q)/Standard Liége/Zulte
                  Waregem
VT/N3=EL/Q4       Racing Genk(Q)/Zulte Waregem/Club Brugge/Anderlecht(Q)/Standard
                  Liége
N3/N4=EL/Q3       Zulte Waregem/Club Brugge/Anderlecht(Q)/Standard Liége
N4/N5/N7=EL/Q2    Standard Liége/Zulte Waregem/Club Brugge/A.A.Gent

13 Dinamarca      (faltam 2 jornadas)
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CN=CL/GS          FC KOPENHAGEN
N2=EL/Q3          NORDSJAELLAND
VT=EL/Q4          ESJBERG
N3=EL/Q2          Randers/Aalborg/Midtylland
N4=EL/Q2          Aalborg/Randers/Midtylland

14 Suiça          (faltam 4 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q3          Basileia(Q)/Grasshoppers(Q)/St Gallen
N2=CL/Q3          Grasshoppers(Q)/Basileia(Q)/St Gallen/Sion/Zurique
VT/N3=EL/Q4       St Gallen/Grasshoppers(Q)/Basileia(Q)/Sion/Zurique
N3/N4=EL/Q3       Sion/St Gallen/Grasshoppers(Q)/Basileia(Q)/Zurique/Thun/
                  Young Boys/Luzerne
N4/N5=EL/Q2       Zurique/Sion/St Gallen/Grasshoppers(Q)/Thun/Young Boys/Luzerne

15 Austria        (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q3          AUSTRIA VIENA/RED BULL SALZBURG
N2=CL/Q3          RED BULL SALZBURG/AUSTRIA VIENA
VT/N3=EL/Q4       Rapid Viena/Sturm Graz/Ried/Pasching(Q)/Wolfsberger
N3/N4=EL/Q3       Sturm Graz/Rapid Viena/Ried/Wolfsberger
N4/PT=EL/Q2       Ried/Sturm Graz/Rapid Viena/Wolfsberger/Pasching(Q)

16 Chipre         (falta 1 jornada do play-off + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q3          APOEL NICOSIA
VT=EL/Q4          AEL Limassol/Apollon Limassol
N2=EL/Q2          ANORTHOSIS FAMAGUSTA/Omonia Nicosia
N3=EL/Q2          Omonia Nicosia/AEK Larnaca/ANORTHOSIS FAMAGUSTA

17 Israel
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CN=CL/Q2          MACCABI TEL AVIV
VT=EL/Q3          HAPOEL RAMAT-GAN
N2=EL/Q2          MACCABI HAIFA
N3=EL/Q2          HAPOEL TEL AVIV

18 Escócia        (falta 1 jornada do play-off + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          CELTIC
VT/N2=EL/Q3       Motherwell(Q)/Hibernian(Q)
N2/N3=EL/Q2       Inverness/St.Johnstone/Motherwell(Q)
N3/PT=EL/Q2       Hibernian(Q)/Inverness/St.Johnstone

19 República Cheça(faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          Viktoria Plzen(Q)/Sparta Praga(Q)
VT=EL/Q3          Jablonek/Mlada Boleslav
N2=EL/Q2          Sparta Praga(Q)/Viktoria Plzen(Q)
N3=EL/Q2          Slovan Liberec/Jablonek/Sigma Olomouc/Dukla Praga

20 Polónia        (faltam 4 jornadas)
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CN=CL/Q2          Legia Varsóvia(Q)/Lech Poznan(Q)
VT/N2=EL/Q2       Lech Poznan(Q)/Legia Varsóvia(Q)
N3=EL/Q2          Gornik Zabrze/Slask Wroclaw/Piast Gliwice/Jagiellonia/Polonia
                  Varsovia/Wisla Cracóvia/Legia Gdansk/Korona Kielce/Zaglebie/
                  Ruch Chorsow/Widzev Lodz
N4/PT=EL/Q2       Gornik Zabrze/Slask Wroclaw/Piast Gliwice/Jagiellonia/Polonia
                  Varsovia/Wisla Cracóvia/Legia Gdansk/Korona Kielce/Zaglebie/
                  Ruch Chorsow/Widzev Lodz

21 Croácia        (faltam 2 jornadas + 2Ş măo final Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          DINAMO ZAGREB
VT=EL/Q2          Hajduk Split/Lokomotiva Zagreb
N2/N3=EL/Q2       Lokomotiva Zagreb/RNK Split/Rijeka/Hajduk Split
N3/N4=EL/Q2       RNK Split/Lokomotiva Zagreb/Rijeka/Hadjuk Split

22 Roménia        (faltam 3 jornadas + 1/2 finais e final Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          STEAUA BUCHAREST
VT/N2=EL/Q2       Cluj/Astra Giurgiu/Otelul/Petrolul/Panduri/Dinamo Bucharest
N2/N3=EL/Q2       Astra Giurgiu/Petrolul/Panduri/Dinamo Bucharest/Vaslui
N3/N4=EL/Q1       Petrolul/Astra Giurgiu/Panduri/Dinamo Bucharest/Vaslui

23 Bielorrússia   (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          BATE BORISOV
VT=EL/Q2          Dinamo Minsk(Q)/FK Minsk
N2=EL/Q2          SHAKHTIOR SALIGORSK
N3/N4=EL/Q1       Gomel/Dinamo Minsk(Q)

24 Suécia         (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          ELFSBORG
VT=EL/Q2          Djugarden/Gotenburg
N2=EL/Q2          HACKEN
N3=EL/Q1          MALMO
FP=EL/Q1          GEFLE

25 Eslováquia     (faltam 3 jornadas)
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CN=CL/Q2          Slovan Bratislava(Q)/Senica
VT/N2=EL/Q2       Senica/Slovan Bratislava(Q)/Ruzombrok/Trencin/Kosice/
                  Spartak Myjava
N2/N3=EL/Q2       Kosice/Zilina/Senica/Ruzombrok/Trencin/Zlate Moravce/
                  Spartak Myjava
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    Zilina/Senica/Ruzombrok/Trencin/Kosice/Zlate Moravce/
                  Spartak Myjava

26 Noruega
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CN=CL/Q2=         MOLDE
VT=EL/Q2          HODD
N2=EL/Q2          STROMSGODET
N3=EL/Q1          ROSENBORG
FP=EL/Q1          TROMSO

27 Sérvia         (faltam 3 jornadas)
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CN=CL/Q2          Partizan Belgrade(Q)/Estrela Vermelha(Q)
VT=EL/Q2          JAGODINA
N2=EL/Q2          Estrela Vermelha(Q)/Vojvodina Novi Sad(Q)/Partizan Belgrade(Q)
N3=EL/Q1          Vojvodina Novi Sad(Q)/Estrela Vermelha(Q)

28 Bulgária       (faltam 3 jornadas)
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N1=CL/Q2          Ludogorets Razgrad(Q)/Levski Sofia(Q)
VT=EL/Q2          BEROE STARA ZAGORA
N2=EL/Q1          Levski Sofia(Q)/CSKA Sofia/Ludogorets Razgrad(Q)
N3=EL/Q1          Botev Plovdiv/Levski Sofia(Q)/CSKA Sofia

29 Hungria        (faltam 3 jornadas e final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          GYOR ETO
VT/N2=EL/Q2       Videoton/Mtk/Ferencvaros/Debrecen(Q)/Kecskemet/Honved
N2/N3=EL/Q1       Mtk/Videoton/Ferencvaros/Debrecen(Q)/Kecskemet/Honved
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    Debrecen(Q)/Videoton/Mtk/Ferencvaros/Kecskemet/Honved

30 Finlândia
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CN=CL/Q2          HJK HELSINKI
VT=EL/Q2          HONKA ESPOO
N2=EL/Q1          INTER TURKU
N3=EL/Q1          TPS TURKU
FP=EL/Q1          MARIEHAMN

31 Georgia        (falta 1 jornada do play-off + final da Taça
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CN=CL/Q2          DINAMO TBLISI
VT/N2=EL/Q2       Chikhura(Q)/Dila Gori(Q)
N2/N3=EL/Q1       Dila Gori(Q)/TORPEDO KUTAISI
N3/N4=EL/Q1       TORPEDO KUTAISI/Chikura(Q)

32 Bósnia-Herzegovina  (faltam 2 jornadas)
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VT=EL/Q2          SIROKI BRIJEG
CN=CL/Q2          ZELJEZNICAR
N2=EL/Q1          SARAJEVO
N3=EL/Q1          Olimpic/Borac Banja Luka/Celik

33 Irlanda
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CN=CL/Q2          SLIGO ROVERS
VT=EL/Q2          DERRY CITY
N2=EL/Q1          DROGHEDA UNITED
N3=EL/Q1          ST. PATRICK?S

34 Eslovénia      (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          MARIBOR
VT/N2=EL/Q2       CELJE/Olimpija/Koper
N2/N3=EL/Q1       Olimpija/Domzale/Koper/CELJE
N3/PT=EL/Q1       Koper/Domzale/CELJE

35 Lituânia       (falta final da Taça)
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CN/VT=CL/Q2       EKRANAS
VT/N2=EL/Q1       ZALGIRIS/Siauliai
N2/N3=EL/Q1       SUDUVA/ZALGIRIS
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    Kruoja/SUDUVA

36 Moldávia       (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
      ----------------------------------------
CN/VT=CL/Q2       Sheriff Tiraspol(Q)/Dacia Chisinau(Q)
VT/N2=EL/Q1       FC Tiraspol/Veris
N2/N3=EL/Q1       Dacia Chisinau(Q)/Sheriff Tiraspol(Q)/FC Tiraspol/Milsami Orhei
N3/N4=EL/Q1       Milsami Orhei/FC Tiraspol/Dacia Chisinau(Q)/Rapid Ghidhigici

37 Azerbeijăo     (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          NEFTCHI BAKU
VT/N2=EL/Q1       KHAZAR LANARKAN/QARABAQ
N2/N3=EL/Q1       QARABAQ/INTER BAKU
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    INTER BAKU/KHAZAR LANARKAN

38 Letónia        (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          DAUGAVA

VT=EL/Q1          VENTSPILS/METALURGS LIEPAJA
N2=EL/Q1          SKONTO RIGA
N3/N4=EL/Q1       METALURGS LIEPAJA/VENTSPILS

39 Macedonia      (faltam 3 jornadas e final da Taça)
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N1=CL/Q2          Vardar(Q)/Turnovo(Q)/Metalurg
VT=EL/Q1          Shkendija/Teteks
N2=EL/Q1          Turnovo(Q)/Vardar(Q)/Metalurg
N3=EL/Q1          Metalurg/Vardar(Q)/Turnovo(Q)/Rabotnicki

40 Cazaquistăo
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CN=CL/Q2          SHAKHTYOR KARAGANDA
VT=EL/Q1          ASTANA
N3=EL/Q1          IRYTYSH
PT=EL/Q1          AKTOBE

41 Islândia
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CN=CL/Q2          HAFNARFJARDAR
VT=EL/Q1          REJKJAVIK
N2=EL/Q1          BREIDABLIK
N3=EL/Q1          VESTMANNAEYJAR

42 Montenegro     (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
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N1=CL/Q2          Sutjeska(Q)/Buducnost Podgorica(Q)
VT/N2=EL/Q1       Buducnost Podgorica(Q)/Sutjeska(Q)/Celik Niksic
N2/N3=EL/Q1       Celik Niksic/Buducnost Podgoric(Q)/Rudar PLjevlja/Grbalj/
                  Sutjeska(Q)
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    Grbalj/Buducnost Podgorica(Q)/Rudar PLjevlja/Celik Niksic

43 Liechtenstein
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VT=EL/Q1          FC VADUZ

44 Albánia        (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          SKENDERBEU KORÇE
CW=EL/Q1          Laçi/Bylis Ballshi
N2=EL/Q1          KUKESI
N3=EL/Q1          TEUTA DURRES

45 Malta          (faltam semi-final e final Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          BIRIKARA
VT/N2=EL/Q1       HIBERNIANS/VALLETTA/Qormi/Lija Athletic
N2/N3=EL/Q1       VALLETTA/HIBERNIANS
N3/N4=EL/Q1       Sliema Wanderers/VALLETTA

46 País de Gales  (falta 1 jornada play-off para 1 lugar na Liga Europa)
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CN= CL/Q2         THE NEW SAINTS
VT= EL/Q1         PRESTATYN TOWN
N2= EL/Q1         AIRBUS UK BROUGHTON
N4/N7=EL/Q1       Port Talbot Town/Bala Town

47 Estónia        (falta final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          KALJU NOMME
VT/N2=EL/Q1       LEVADIA TALLINN/FLORA TALLINN
N2/N3=EL/Q1       FLORA TALLINN/LEVADIA TALLINN
N4=EL/Q1          TRANS NARVA

48 Irlanda da Norte
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CN= CL/Q2         CLIFTONVILLE
CW= EL/Q1         GLENTORAN
N2= EL/Q1         CRUSADERS
N3= EL/Q1         LINFIELD

49 Luxemburgo     (faltam 3 jornadas + final da Taça)
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CN=CL/Q2          Fola Esch(Q)/F91 Dudelange(Q)/Jeunesse Esch
CW/N2=EL/Q1       FC Differdange 03/Jeunesse Esch/F91 Dudelange(Q)/Fola Esch(Q)
N2/N3=EL/Q1       F91 Dudelange(Q)/Fola Esch(Q)/Jeunesse Esch/FC Didderdange 03/
                  Hamm Benfica
N3/N4/PT=EL/Q1    CS Grevenmacher/Differdange 03/Jeunesse Esch/F91 Dudelange(Q)/
                  Fola Esch(Q)/Hamm Benfica

50 Armęnia
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CN=CL/Q1           SHIRAK GYUMRI
VT=EL/Q1           PYUNIK YEREVAN
N2=EL/Q1           MIKA ASHTARAK
N3=EL/Q1           GANDZASAR

51 Ilhas Faroe
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CN=CL/Q1           STREYMUR
VT=EL/Q1           VIKINGUR
N2=EL/Q1           FUGLAFJOROUR
N3=EL/Q1           TORSHAVN

52 Andorra         (faltam semi-final + final Taça)
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CN=CL/Q1           FC LUSITANOS
VT/N2=EL/Q1        FC SANTA COLOMA/UE Santa Coloma/UE Sant Julia
N2/N3/PT=EL/Q1     UE Santa Coloma/FC SANTA COLOMA/UE Sant Julia

53 San Marino      (faltam 4 jornadas do play-off)
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N1=CL/Q1           Libertas/Tre Penne/Folgore/La Florita(Q)
VT/N2=EL/Q1        La Florita(Q)/Libertas/Tre Penne/Folgore
N2/N3/PT=EL/Q1     Tre Penne/Libertas/Folgore/San Giovanni

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: biagio Date: 16-05-2013, 06:12	in italy you forgot N5=EL/Q3 Udinese/Lazio

Re: Qualification 2013/2014 Bert (cont'd)
Author: executor Date: 16-05-2013, 08:23	Wow! Now that's a 1 square meter post For Romania: Vaslui can't be N2 (see my previous post) And it's Pandurii, with 2 'i's.