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| battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 15-02-2013, 11:43 Edited by: Luka at: 15-02-2013, 11:43 | A continuation of this topic. Here is an update of the situation among the CL Pot A & B contenders after this week: Format - courtesy of nemesys Rk = Ranking For Pot A: Arsenal is still 4 points behind the play-off spot, meanwhile Inter has almost closed to the gap to the third place in Italy. Inter is now 8th in Europe meaning they only have to bother about league in order to secure Pot A spot. Atletico's loss means that Valencia can still dream of Pot A if they make it in the league. If the leagues stay as for today the eight spot would be decided between Shakthar, Lyon and less probably Milan. Pot B: Pretty stable mostly. The usual suspects are in, being quite secure in their leagues. Milan is big question mark - direct fight with Inter for the last spot in Italy. Schalke, Liverpool, Sporting rather won't make it, whereas Dyn. Kiev very likely will. That means that both PSG and Juve must fight very hard to avoid Pot C. Both Dutch teams rather in Pot C, as well as Tottenham if they make it to CL at all. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 15-02-2013, 15:20 | Valencia are currently on course to qualify for the Champions League next season due to Malaga's European ban. Their tie against PSG is intriguingly poised and they have a chance of getting through, so they may end up in Pot A, especially if Arsenal miss out |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: AlanK
Date: 15-02-2013, 15:56 | @mjohnson1989: True, but Málaga has appealed. I don't think they'll prevail, but until the punishment is confirmed, going by the actual league standings seems to be a reasonable way to proceed. Anybody got an * ? |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mavano
Date: 15-02-2013, 22:57 | Ajax and PSV are tied atm. And that could mean 1 gets the last spot in pot B and the other the 1st in pot C if both teams finish top 2 (and the #2 survives the QRs) in the Netherlands. What's the tiebreaker? I'm assuming the team that would win the league and thus enters the competition as NED1 while the other is NED2? Or is there a different method? It's likely that Ajax will get at least 1 more point so I don't think it will matter, but still. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 15-02-2013, 23:51 | you already explained it perfectly mavano :-) If PSV wins the dutch championship, they are above Ajax in case of a tie - and otherwise. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 16-02-2013, 09:45 | That's not true. The tie breaker is the best coefficient in the most recent season. Ajax has 9,8428 and PSV has 5,8428. So Ajax will be ranked above PSV in any case. It doesn't matter what position in the Dutch league they end on. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 26-02-2013, 12:31 Edited by: Luka at: 26-02-2013, 17:17 | update after last week games in Eurocups and league:Rk Club @ LP QGS QPO ATM Great battle in England for spots 3 and 4 in the league: one of the three Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal may be out of CL next season. that would influence a lot on the shape of the top pot. Also interesting battle in Italy where both Milan and Inter are back in the game for the last CL spot. As Lyon is out of EL, they will probably drop out of the Pot A, either with Shakthar getting at least a draw in Dortmund or Milan grabbing the third spot in Italy and two more points in CL. One more observation - Zenit, PSG and Juve with a win each can assure the place above Man. City which will put City again in pot C, if Milan/Inter qualifies. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: m-p3
Date: 26-02-2013, 12:40 Edited by: m-p3 at: 26-02-2013, 12:42 | - |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 26-02-2013, 16:24 | You have Ajax and PSV joined 26th. PSV should be 27th behind Ajax since PSV got a lower coefficient in the most recent season. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 26-02-2013, 17:08 Edited by: Luka at: 26-02-2013, 17:09 | @Forza-AZ: I put both clubs as 26th as the number of points is the same. As for the tie-breaker, you are right that the coeff from last season decides who goes first, and that is why I have Ajax before PSV. Funny enough, for now it means being in either pot B or C. I suppose it won't be necessary at the end of the season when we probably see both clubs will ending up in Pot C (in case they qualify for CL). |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 08-04-2013, 15:39 Edited by: Luka at: 08-04-2013, 16:05 | update after last week games in Eurocups and league:Rk Club @ LP QGS QPO ATM Update after weekend games (although two interesting clashes in England and Italy are scheduled for tonight). Three teams already qualified to the next year CL: Barca, Bayern and Benfica. The biggest winner of the last month is Benfica, still in play in EL, that with two more points in Europe may significantly increase their chances to be in Pot A next year. Great battle in England continues: the trio is within two points and one of the teams must be out of CL next year. Things look rather resolved in Italy, where Milan joined the top three and Inter seems to be out of the race. In Spain the fourth place is still open with Real Sociedad, Valencia and Malaga fighting for the last spot. Looking into the current form La Real is the favourite. Changes in Pot B, Lyon is out for now (they are levelled on points with their arch-rival St.Etienne, who is currently third). Schalke is back in the game in Germany, currently 4 points off third Leverkusen and building the advantage over the teams behind them. With Milan, Schalke and Zenit all in (after qualification phase) there is no place for Man City in Pot C. Add Lyon to that and you may be pretty sure to see a "group of death" again next year. All thanks to recent advances of Juve and PSG who can still score points in Europe. Tottenham may avoid that fate, if they score at least two more points in Europe (and of course finish within top 4 in England). |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B (& C) in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 29-04-2013, 18:49 Edited by: Luka at: 29-04-2013, 18:56 | Ranking update after this weekend, before the 2nd leg of semifinals. Actually, adding two teams that are still alive in Europe we complete also a potential Pot C for the next season. Very few dropouts in the first 30 teams in the UEFA ranking:Rk Club @ LP QGS QPO ATM Big battle in England is down to Chelsea-Tottenham to be played on May 7th. Therefore, Arsenal despite having played one more game is still in the control of their fate. For now it looks Arsenal plus Chelsea unless Tottenham win their direct game. That would leave Atletico de Madrid out of the first pot. Benfica is almost sure in Pot A now, when Valencia lost their direct clash with La Real for the 4th spot in Spain. Inter is too far away to be the real threat. In Italy the third spot is still in play, with 4 games to go, Milan has just one point over Fiorentina (who has the tie-breaker). They both have yet to play against 5th Roma to decide who takes the third spot. In Germany, Bayern and Borussia secured their spots, with Borussia being pretty sure to keep their spot in Pot C (teams above them who are currently out of CL spots may only shift with the other teams who are currently in - so no harm for them). Schalke looks to take control in the race to 4th spot. Interesting battle in France, three teams in play for two spots. Olympique Marseille second so far is yet to play fourth St. Etienne in an away game. The Greens drew at Lyon last weekend which leaves them two points behind third Lyon and six behind Marseille. Lyon yet to play first PSG. For now both Olympiques are in. Still interesting battles in Netherland where second PSV lost ground and now is four points behind Ajax and levelled with third Feyenoord with two more games to go. Finally Ukraine, where Dynamo Kiev are now equal on points with Metalist who drew with Shakhtar on an away game last weekend. Next matchday will decide the second spot as both teams meet in Kharkiv (first game in Kiev ended 1-3). |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 29-04-2013, 19:25 Edited by: bugylibicska at: 29-04-2013, 19:26 | @Luka ``Big battle in England is down to Chelsea-Tottenham to be played on May 7th. Therefore, Arsenal despite having played one more game is still in the control of their fate. For now it looks Arsenal plus Chelsea unless Tottenham win their direct game. That would leave Atletico de Madrid out of the first pot.`` That`s not quite true, because if Tottenham beats Chelsea and both of them win their remaining games, Arsenal will end up as 5th, even winning their last 3 games. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 29-04-2013, 19:50 | Bizzarely Manchester United could go from harming Arsenal's top four chances one week to helping them a week later as we play Chelsea at home on Sunday. Could be key for Chelsea |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Nixda
Date: 29-04-2013, 21:07 | "with Borussia being pretty sure to keep their spot in Pot C" If they dont loose big tomorrow and afterwards win the final they will not stay in Pot C  |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 30-04-2013, 12:32 | @bugylibicska: of course you are right that is possible, but if and only if Tottenham wins at Chelsea. As I wrote, for now it seems that Chelsea and Arsenal are the top horses in this race. And as mjohnson1989 pointed out Chelsea has the most difficult schedule. @Nixda: thanks for reminding me about TH option. Sometimes it is hard too see the most obvious options. If BVB gets there that would ruin Benfica's Pot A dreams if both Chelsea and Arsenal are in. More interestingly it could also push PSG back to Pot C! |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 02-05-2013, 13:20 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 02-05-2013, 13:25 | @Bert: Actually i think, Porto is not 100% secure Pot A, as you entered in the seeding list. According to that very list Pot A could look like this: 1. Dortmund (possible Title holder) 2. FC Barcelona Esp 157.605 . 3. Bayern München Ger>144.865 . 4. Real Madrid Esp 136.605 . 5. CL2 (Chelsea) Eng >69.449 >132.449 6. Manchester United Eng>130.449 . 7. CL3 (Arsenal) Eng >25.449 >113.449 8. CL2 (Inter) Ita 41.829 -105.829 --- 9. FC Porto Por>104.733 Imagine having more than 100 Points and still not good enough for Pot A... |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 02-05-2013, 15:20 | plus Benfica could reach the same coeffient as Porto and if they get portuguese Champions they will be head for their better league position. So Porto really isn't secured at all. Actually Barca, Real, Bayer and Manchester United are the only 4 teams which will definitly be in Pot 1 of the next season. All others still can fail to qualify or their coeff could be to low. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 02-05-2013, 15:57 Edited by: Luka at: 02-05-2013, 16:07 | @Cloakmaster: to be a candidate for Pot A next season Inter has to re-cut the 9 point deficit to the third spot in the remaining 4 games. Not impossible, but very difficult indeed. Even under assumption that past performance is not a reliable indicator of the future gains... All and all, Porto is not 100% sure of Pot A, but to have them out of Pot A, 4 out 5 following events must happen: - Borussia to win CL - Chelsea to qualify to CL - Arsenal to qualify to CL - Benfica to win EL and Portuguese championship - Inter to qualify to CL |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: nemesys
Date: 02-05-2013, 18:27 | @Luka Format - courtesy of nemesys Thank you for keeping this list alive and updated!   Cheers! - nemesys |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 02-05-2013, 18:37 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 02-05-2013, 18:38 | Sure, it is nearly imposible. But Bert repeats and repeatd that he includes in his listung only 100% secured facts, not options. And so, Porto should not be set as a secured Pot A at this time. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-05-2013, 19:43 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-05-2013, 19:45 | @ Cloakmaster I checked back to see if it had happened before, but it hasn't, being a member of the 100 club has always been sufficient to take a place in the top pot. The closest is AC Milan missing out with 99.531 in 2004/05. This was the year they met Liverpool, the team seeded directly behind them with a coefficient of 90.510 in the final, and where Liverpool made history with the greatest comeback in Champions League history. The top seeds didn't live up to their coefficients in this one, Chelsea were also pot 2 in the semis, and PSV Eindhoven were in the semis as a pot 3 team. Even the quarters only contained a single pot 1 team in the 6th seed Bayern Munich! Inter Milan, Juventus and Lyon were all there from Pot 2! EDIT: Spain was what England were set to become that year, with all 4 teams in the top pot. Porto, Manchester United and Arsenal were the other teams. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: gogu
Date: 02-05-2013, 23:28 | Benfica coach just said in the flash interview that with this win Benfica will be in pot 1 next season. It is not yet quite true, but I was surprise that he knows about that. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 02-05-2013, 23:34 Edited by: Lorric at: 02-05-2013, 23:35 | Yes, it is refreshing someone knows about the rankings. But he's forgetting (or doesn't know about) Dortmund getting elevated to Pot A if they win the CL and putting an end to that. I think we can forgive him for not taking the possibility of Inter getting CL football seriously, it's very unlikely. Inter might not even qualify for Europe. Surely him telling his players this would motivate them. If Benfica win the final without penalties, they'll have the same coefficient as Porto... |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: gogu
Date: 02-05-2013, 23:56 | I don't think he follows the rankings himself. Someone told him or read in the paper. Neverless... |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 05-05-2013, 23:41 | six clubs with 100+ points are already qualyfied for CL-GS. four more are still able to do so, too. With 8, possibly just 7 spots open in Pot A it's getting likley that 100 Points won't be enoght to guarrantee Pot A entry. I think all the points hve risen with time. Some years ago ManU was #1 seed with ~120 Points, now Baca have more than 150. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: nemesys
Date: 06-05-2013, 01:06 Edited by: nemesys at: 06-05-2013, 01:23 | Just because nobody else pointed it out yet: losing tonight against Napoli Inter mathematically lost the chance to grab the 3rd place in Serie A this season, hence cannot qualify anymore to the next CL. Inter is in a pretty bad position now also for an EL qualification. As a folklore note, the majority of Inter fans, once understood the missed opportunity of a CL qualification, wish the club to fail also an EL qualification (even doing it in purpose) in order to face better and with less distractions the next Serie A (and try to finish it in the top 3 in the next season to get a CL qualification instead). --- Edit: ...not too far from De Laurentis (Napoli president) opinion expressed in a recent interview: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/europa-league-de-laurentiis-abolish-europa-l eague-131857734.html //Edit --- Few more OT notes about Serie A: Juventus is champion today; Napoli and Milan winning confirmed to be favorite for the remaining 2 CL spots (GS direct qualification and QR4-NCPO), while Fiorentina losing against Roma is now a bit more distanced from the 3th place and followed a bit closer by Roma, Udinese and Lazio. Roma and Lazio will also play (in a really interesting derby in Rome) the Coppa Italia final. In case of victory it would be for Roma the 10th success in its history (and would be first club winning 10 Coppa Italia), and the club intend celebrate the possible achievement adding (in case of success) a silver star on the shirt in the future seasons. Cheers! - nemesys |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 06-05-2013, 01:28 Edited by: Lorric at: 06-05-2013, 01:35 | @ Nemesys Yes, I created a thread on the Inter fans thing. The "kiss goodbye to pot A" one. Inter have fallen into 8th now, 4pts off 6th. The thing about Roma putting a star on their shirts if they take the cup is interesting, I don't think I've heard of a team doing that for national cups before. Since (if they win) they'll be the first one to take the cup 10 times, they'll probably set a precedent. It was a fine day for individual scorers in serie a. Cavani netted a hat trick against Inter in Napoli's 3-1 win. Bergessio scored all 3 Catania goals in their 3-0 win over Siena. But these two were eclipsed by that goal machine Klose, scoring 5 goals in Lazio's 6-0 win over Bologna. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: nemesys
Date: 06-05-2013, 01:40 Edited by: nemesys at: 06-05-2013, 01:41 | I noticed your thread about Liverpool. By the way, you also give up on a chance to help out the country ranking refusing to play in the competition where you actually have reasonable chances to score good points. It is probably a thing about nobles in decadency to be a bit arrogant about adapting to a dimension a bit more humble. Just to make sure, I've nothing personal against Liverpool, Inter, neither their fans, but this concept itself it is at least arguable to me. But these two were eclipsed by that goal machine Klose, scoring 5 goals in Lazio's 6-0 win over Bologna. He's like Scholes. One of the most underestimated players of the last 20 years. Those guys are part of the history of football the way Beckham and Matthaus are, but people speaks of them with lot less regards. Cheers! - nemesys edit: spelling corrections |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 06-05-2013, 01:45 | And Di Natale. He bagged himself a couple of goals in Udinese's 3-1 win over Sampdoria. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Cloakmaster
Date: 06-05-2013, 10:53 Edited by: Cloakmaster at: 06-05-2013, 11:06 | so one is out, 9 contenders of the "club100+" remaining for max. 8 Places in Pot A. And Bert did it again: right now i see neither Porto nor Benfica as 100% secured Pot A. With the possbilityy of Dortmund moving into Pot A one of the two still can drop to Pot B. And you can't tell 100% sure who will be the one dropping. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 06-05-2013, 11:43 Edited by: Luka at: 06-05-2013, 11:57 | Update after the weekendRk Club @ LP QGS QPO ATM After this weekend 11 teams are sure to play CLGS next season. With Inter definitely out of CL next season, Porto is still not sure of Pot A spot - see my previous post. So, if Borussia DOrtmund wins CL and Benfica wins EL (with 2 points to the ranking) and claims the championship in Portugal nearly 105 won't guarantee Pot A spot. On the other end, we can still see Atletico de Madrid in Pot A (below 100 points mark) if Bayern claims the CL title and Arsenal or Chelsea fails to qualify and Valencia does not manage to finish in top four in Spain. Two decision were made in other leagues this weekend: Metalist won the direct game against Dynamo Kiev and now with 3 games to go is second, 3 points ahead of Dynamo and having also the head-to-head in their favour. In the Netherlands Ajax won the title claiming the direct CL spot, whereas Feyenoord loss took the pressure off the PSV who claimed the second spot. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 06-05-2013, 15:08 Edited by: SirHenri at: 06-05-2013, 15:23 | @ Forza If it is true, that Ajax would have been ahead of PSV, even if they finished below in the league, then it's already clear, that if Benfica makes two more points, they are ahead of Porto in the ranking, no matter who get's champion in Portugal? I always thought league position is the first tiebreaker, where do you find this in the rules, that recent season counts first ? Thanks for answer, Greetings Henri ok, I found it, ANNEX II, page 48, number 8 "In the case of equal coefficients, the UEFA administration takes a final decision on the order of the rankings, taking into consideration the individual coefficients of the most recent season. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 06-05-2013, 16:30 | Wednesday night's Premier League game is massive- Chelsea v Tottenham. If Chelsea win they are as good as assured of a top four finish as their goal difference is already 16 better than Tottenham's. However, if Tottenham win then the three teams battling for a CL place will be separated by just one point with two matchdays left |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: nemesys
Date: 06-05-2013, 17:15 Edited by: nemesys at: 06-05-2013, 17:19 | Yes, the title race was kind of early decided this season in Premiership, but the CL spots race was really interesting and unpredictable, and this can last up to the end. I cannot really say who between Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham deserves less a CL spot. I guess that at the end (Manchester City,) Chelsea and Arsenal will make it, but really nothing is for sure yet. Cheers! - nemesys |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 06-05-2013, 17:37 | Personally I was delighted the title race was over very early :P |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 06-05-2013, 17:51 Edited by: Lorric at: 06-05-2013, 17:59 | I would have it finish Chelsea/Arsenal/Tottenham if given a choice. Chelsea are England's top European performer two years running now. Could win back to back European titles. Always reliable for a ton of points. Arsenal are to a lesser extent Chelsea. Always good for a CL last 16 appearance and reliable points. Spurs just not done enough for me, even though they did well. Simply outperformed by Chelsea snd Arsenal this season in Europe. Also, they're screwed if anything happens to Bale. They STILL haven't won a match this year without Bale scoring. Either that or it was a match at the very start of the year, I'm not sure. But it's basically 4 months and a bit since they won a match without Bale scoring. Weakest link. Put them in the Europa League again please. Earlier in the season I wanted them to get CL, but Arsenal's resurgent charge has changed my mind. They seem to want it badly. Of course if Tottenham do get it, good luck to them. And Arsenal are the masters of qualifiers. Of course, I'd like to nudge Manchester City right out of the way with their European ineptitude, but even though they haven't quite secured CL, I don't think they're going anywhere. Getting KOd by the likes of Sporting CP, Dynamo Kiev and Ajax offers little hope of any meaningful contribution. Those teams are all good European regulars, but they're not CLGS calibre teams, and neither are Manchester City. I fear they'll bomb out again. They've never impressed me in Europe except when they beat Porto. Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham have impressed me in countless matches. Chelsea have time and time again reached semis and better and taken down Europe's best, Arsenal have handed numerous beatings out and always get to the KO stage and always go down swinging. Tottenham were very impressive in their one CL campaign and this year mauled Inter at White Hart Lane and won a tough tie with Lyon. Manchester City seem only good for CL exits and Europe League last 16s. In the Europa League slot they'd be one of our key contributors likely, English teams generally don't pass the EL last 16 and City regularly reach it. Good enough coefficient now for an EL group top seed. But they're not welcome in the CL spot for me. Groups of death aside, which I sypathise with, and would have sympathised with if they'd finished third behind two superior sides, but they not only finished behind Ajax, Ajax made them look like fools. And last year they had a crippled relegation-bound Villarreal to beat into last and while the Napoli team was impressive, Napoli, unlike Real Madrid and Dortmund were not a favourite. They were a strong but wholly beatable opponent and City failed. They just don't have the same passion and drive as the other English teams who will run themselves into the ground and go down swinging, City seem to get by against lesser sides, but can't contend with anyone good never mind very good or great, with the exception of Porto where they looked great. Here's a list of teams KOd by City in the last 3 seasons: 2010/11 Timisoara Juventus (but 3rd in an EL group, this is before their revival, and you know what Italians think of the EL, and City didn't actually beat them in a match either, just finished above them to KO them.) Red Bull Salzburg Aris Lost to Dynamo Kiev EDIT: Note: they traded 1-1 draws with Juventus and traded 3-1 wins with Lech Poznan. City won the group. 2011/12 Villarreal (on their way out of the top league, 0pts in group) Porto (excellent in both legs) eliminated by Sporting CP 2012/13 Nobody. Eliminated from Europe by Ajax. Didn't expect to create such a long post! Make of it what you will |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: mjohnson1989
Date: 06-05-2013, 18:12 | City will secure a top three place if they win tomorrow night so I can't see them being caught, as much as it would amuse me |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 06-05-2013, 18:41 Edited by: Lorric at: 06-05-2013, 18:44 | Now I shall compare with the other clubs in their last 3 years: Chelsea: 2010/11 MSK Zilina Spartak Moscow (bettered Marseille 2-1 on agg and won group) Copenhagen Lost to Manchester United Let's compare the other three teams over the last three seasons (I picked three seasons btw because City were not in Europe 4 seasons ago, and before that got in by a fair play entry before the money and players began flowing in.) 2011/12 Genk Valencia (bettered Bayer Leverkusen 3-2 on agg and won group) Napoli Benfica Barcelona Bayern Munich 2012/13 Nordsjaelland Sparta Prague Steaua Bucharest Rubin Kazan Basel Benfica? Arsenal 2010/11 Partizan Braga (They managed a remarkable 5-1 win over Shakhtar Donetsk, yet still lost the group to them.) Lost to Barcelona. 2011/12 Udinese Dortmund Olympiakos (Bettered Marseille 1-0 on agg and won group) Lost to AC Milan 2012/13 Montpelier Olympiakos (2nd in group to Schalke) Lost to Bayern Munich Tottenham 2010/11 Young Boys Werder Bremen Twente (Bettered Internazionale 6-5 and won group) AC Milan Lost to Real Madrid 2011/12 Hearts (3rd in group ahead of Shamrock Rovers, lost to PAOK and Rubin Kazan.) 2012/13 Maribor Panathinaikos (came 2nd to Lazio, shared a pair of 0-0 draws.) Lyon Internazionale Lost to Basel. EDIT: Points Earned: Chelsea: 23+30+25 = 78 Arsenal: 19+21+18 = 58 Tottenham: 22+8.5+16 = 46.5 Manchester City: 15+17+7 = 39 |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 07-05-2013, 01:12 Edited by: Luka at: 07-05-2013, 01:25 | update after Monday games in Iberia:8 Porto 104.833 - 2 +0 +19 !A7Benfica only drew with Estoril making the next weekend Porto-Benfica game, the game of the season in Portugal. The last CL spot in Portugal is practically sealed by Pacos de Ferreira, with two games to go (one being away against Porto) they have four point advantage and the tie-breaker over Braga. Meanwhile in Spain, La Real lost at Getafe 1-2, leaving some hope for Valencia in the race for the fourth place. Now R. Sociedad have two point advantage and a H2H tie-breaker, meaning that they can only draw once in the remaining four games, if they are to keep their tickets to CL for the next season. All and all, very unfavourable scenario for Dortmund that would see them as the top team in Pot D is still possible, but very unlikely. For that to happen we need Bayern to win CL and both Valencia and Braga to qualify, first via leagues and then via QR. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 07-05-2013, 03:47 Edited by: Lorric at: 07-05-2013, 03:50 | Pot D for Dortmund, imagine that... Porto/Benfica that's one to tune into. Benfica only need a draw, but Porto are at home. The title and two undefeated streaks are on the line. Excellent news for Chelsea, this fixture will wear Benfica down nicely just a few short days before the Europa League final. Porto home record W13, D1. Benfica away record W12, D2. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 07-05-2013, 14:16 Edited by: SirHenri at: 07-05-2013, 15:16 | Dortmund is definitely not in Pot D (maybe you mean Bayer Leverkusen ?) because there are already more than 8 qualified clubs who are below : Olympiacos, Galatasaray, Kopenhagen, Leverkusen and all 5 clubs out of the CL-Play-Offs (Champions path) who are worse than Dortmund's coefficient. Plus the belgian Champion. Plus Napoli (not 100% atm). For Leverkusen there are just 7 : Kopenhagen, Napoli (assumingly), the belgian Champion and 4 clubs out of the CL-Play-Offs (Champions path) (Basel is better, so not 5). So they need to find an 8th club with smaller coeff. who manages to reach Groupstage. That might be Nice (not Nancy^^:-)) in France, Grasshoppers in Switzerland (both have a game left vs. Lyon/Basel) or one surprise in the Play-Offs. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Nixda
Date: 07-05-2013, 14:40 | @SirHenri: correct. Problem with Lukas list is: it doesnt show that some teams have to eliminate each other in CL PO (NC-Path): currently the unseeded include PSV and Metalist. Both in ranking higher than Dortmund, but if they survive the PO then an even higher ranked must fail. So those two are not taking additional places in the pots. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: bugylibicska
Date: 07-05-2013, 15:03 | @SirHenri You mean Nice not Nancy, of course. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: scapulaire24
Date: 07-05-2013, 15:33 | It would not be so nice... |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: SirHenri
Date: 07-05-2013, 16:54 | Yeah I meant Nice of course (it's called "Nizza" in Germany), though I just recognized they don't fight for 2nd (7 ponits behind) but "just" for 3rd place (3 oints behind). So even if they finish ahead of Lyon, that's not that useful for Leverkusen, that would be only 1 more oppotunity for a surprise in the play-offs. So Grasshoppers are the only chance to get that 8th team before Play-Offs are starting. All other chances for a direct GS-place like Nice, Anzhi, Fiorentina or Real Sociedad are only theoretical (or not even that). |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 07-05-2013, 17:01 Edited by: Luka at: 07-05-2013, 17:02 | @SirHenri, Nixida: correct. Dortmund cannot fall to Pot D any more. It is actually shown in the last column of the table I provided. You just need to count the first five ? signs (the worst case) - this is how many non-CH entries you have from qualification. The only CH entering qualification round in the table is Basel that is already below Dortmund. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Luka
Date: 09-05-2013, 18:46 | 2-2 in England yesterday - status quo maintained. Now it will be very difficult for Tottenham to grab any CL spot. |
| Re: battle for Pot A & B in CL 2013/14 | |
| Author: Lorric
Date: 09-05-2013, 19:41 | Run in: Chelsea (69pts): Aston Villa (A), Everton (H) Arsenal (67pts): Wigan (H), Newcastle (A) Tottenham (66pts): Stoke (A), Sunderland (H) |