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Author: Judio1999
Date: 10-12-2009, 11:31
Edited by: Judio1999
at: 10-12-2009, 11:32 | Both Liverpool and Everton are unseeded for the Last 32
of Europa League
The Rules say they must both play at home in 1st Leg on Feb 18th
The Police in Liverpool will not allow two matches on the same Thursday night
What are the new rules to get around this ??? |
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Author: executor
Date: 10-12-2009, 13:06
| I'll keep my opinion from Forum 2: the Police of Liverpool City will just have to make an exception. I just don't like these kind of stiffed rules. All of this happened because Liverpool FC screwed up, so they should assume some responsibility, not pass it around.
Besides, why is there so much anxiety? Stadiums in England are probably the only ones in Europe without fences, there was no trouble inside and English stadium for decades. Do these people transform into savages once they leave the stadium? If yes, then bring a lot of police forces.
When Steaua and Rapid met in UCQF, the Police of Bucharest mobilized more forces than for the NATO summit. The one from Liverpool could also ask help from neighbouring cities.
Anyway, this doesn't seem an insurmountable problem for me. |
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Author: spoonman
Date: 10-12-2009, 14:38
Edited by: spoonman
at: 10-12-2009, 14:46 | It's not a question of English police "making an exception". UEFA's EL regulations say that fixtures can and will be reversed in a case like Liverpool/Everton.
Match dates and fixture reversals
12.08 The UEFA administration decides on match dates and fixture reversals on a
case-by-case basis, according to the principles set by the Club Competitions
Committee. The UEFA administration reserves the right to impose a match
date in the event of clashes between domestic competition matches and
matches in this competition.
Automatic reversals
12.09 If more than one club from the same city, or within a radius of 50 km (31
miles) of each other, are taking part in any of the UEFA club competitions
and/or play in the same stadium, and if the national association and the clubs
concerned explicitly declare when entering the clubs that their matches
cannot be played on the same day, priority is given to UEFA Champions
League matches and UEFA Europa League matches are reversed in
accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee .
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/UEFACup/8
4/52/89/845289_DOWNLOAD.pdf
For me, the real questions are: Will they avoid a reversal by moving one match to Tuesday or Wednesday? And if this can't be done: Which fixture is going to be reversed - Liverpool's or Everton's? And what criteria will they use to decide that? |
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Author: Judio1999
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:05
| There is another problem as English clubs have never kicked off at 5 or 6 o clock for a home game
The solution will be to give Liverpool the 2nd leg at home so they can have one of those "Special Anfield nights" for TV !!!
I am sure their oponents will object though as Group Winners should have the 2nd leg at home |
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Author: Wak
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:22
| "There is another problem as English clubs have never kicked off at 5 or 6 o clock for a home game"
I don't understand. Mid-week games in England usually kick off around 8pm. Liverpool and Everton have played many games in the night. Were you talking about that possibility of having one match at 6pm ? |
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Author: Wak
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:39
| Also, I've found this in the regulations :
Kick-off time of the qualifying phase and play-offs
12.02 The home club fixes the kick-off time for all matches of the qualifying phase and the play-offs.
Kick-off time until the round of 16
12.03 As a rule, matches in the UEFA Europa League kick off either at 19.00 hours CET or 21.05 hours CET. On the basis of the draw, the UEFA administration will fix the kick-off times. Exceptions to this rule may be set by the UEFA administration.
I don't see why THIS (or the opposite) couldn't happen:
Round of 32, first leg
Thursday 18, February at 6:00pm BT : ______ v Everton at Goodison Park
Thursday 18, February at 8:05pm BT : ______ v Liverpool at Anfield
There's "just" an added number of cops needed to avoid any problem after the 1st match end where some supporters from the 1st match could move around the city's other stadium.
But that's a big issue! This is almost unfair to give Liverpool or Everton the right to host the last leg! |
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Author: Lusankya
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:47
| "But that's a big issue! This is almost unfair to give Liverpool or Everton the right to host the last leg!"
It's not really an advantage, often it's even a disadvantage. |
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Author: Wak
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:51
| Apart from extra-time, I don't see when ? |
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Author: hamlett
Date: 10-12-2009, 15:55
| I guess it depends on good will from one of the opponents. If noone wants to reverse the order of games, it can take place on tuesday or wednesday. After all, Liverpool would have played on tuesday or wednesday, if they had qualified for CL. It just has to be considered, from a TV standpoint, as a 9th CL game (and if it is Liverpool - Shakthiar, Hamburg, Bremen or PSV, the level might not be that different, as compared to a Bordeaux - Stuttgart, a Sevilla -Porto, or an Arsenal - CSKA). |
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Author: Overgame
Date: 10-12-2009, 16:19
| When Milan and Inter had to play the same day at home, UEFA ade one play one week later.
Since it cannot be done here, the simpliest solution would to play one game on Wednesday and one of Tuesday. |
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Author: searcher
Date: 10-12-2009, 16:21
| Apparently such Liverpool/Everton case is not unique for this draw, cause we have big Istanbul rivals G.Saray&F.Bahce as well, already securing the top spots in their EL groups. Both will be seeded and are supposed to play the return legs at home.
As stated above, UEFA regulations don't allow a certain city to host two European games at same night.
-quote-
Automatic reversals
12.09 If more than one club from the same city, or within a radius of 50 km (31 miles) of each other, are taking part in any of the UEFA club competitions and/or play in the same stadium, and if the national association and the clubs concerned explicitly declare when entering the clubs that their matches cannot be played on the same day, priority is given to UEFA Champions League matches and UEFA Europa League matches are reversed in accordance with the principles set by the Club Competitions Committee .
-unquote-
As past experience shows, I believe UEFA will have to move two games (one first leg and one return), to tuesday (or wed.) before the CL clashes. The agreement for a fixture reversal is not likely for the opponent teams, to my opinion. |
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Author: Judio1999
Date: 10-12-2009, 17:31
| 5 or 6 o clock kick offs
As far as I am aware this has hardly ever happened in England
In Europe its is quite common to play at 1700,1800 or 1900
The second match would have to have an early kick off as UEFA dont allow matches on at same time as Champions League
I cant see a solution which will work ??? |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 10-12-2009, 17:58
| "I cant see a solution which will work ???"
Well I'm sure there will be one. And that it will be far less dramatic than this topic might suggest.
At the end of the day UEFA can't turn round & say: "Two teams from the same city both scheduled to play at home. Far too inconvenient. One will have to drop out." If they could do that it would of course make the topic much more interesting!
Instead they will either reverse one of the fixtures (unjust on the group winner who should be at home second) or re-schedule one of the games to a different day probably (though I'm not sure how hard & fast the rule is about kick-offs clashing with CL games) at 5.30 or 6.00.
My bet would be on the latter. And if the early kick-off time is necessary I think the team involved will just have to "suck it up" - as they would have if they'd been scheduled to play a home game at 18.00 in the groups. I do remember Blackburn had at least one early kick off in the UEFA Cup a few years ago when they let schoolkids in very cheap & got a very decent crowd. |
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Author: executor
Date: 11-12-2009, 08:36
Edited by: executor
at: 11-12-2009, 08:38 | If more than one club from the same city, or within a radius of 50 km (31
miles) of each other, are taking part in any of the UEFA club competitions
and/or play in the same stadium, and if the national association and the clubs
concerned explicitly declare when entering the clubs that their matches
cannot be played on the same day
So, it all comes down to whether the FA declared BEFORE the start of the season that Everton and Liverpool FC can't play on the same day, otherwise this fact is equal to zero NOW.
If they did, I hope UEFA choses to move one of the games to another day. Switching one tie would be unfair. |
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Author: spoonman
Date: 11-12-2009, 15:48
| I don't know it for sure but I'm convinced that the English FA always declares a Liverpool/Everton clash as impossible. The same probably applies to Chelsea/Arsenal. |
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Author: mabo
Date: 18-12-2009, 15:16
| Everton fans have been dealt a blow with news they will have to play their home game against Sporting Lisbon in the knock-out stage of the Europa League at 5.45pm on a Tuesday.
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Sporting and Benfica were scheduled to be at home on the same night but Benfica's game has been moved for the same reasons as outlined above.
See:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/europa-kick-off-blow.html |
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Author: Wak
Date: 19-12-2009, 11:54
| Thanks for the article mabo!
18.45 CET kickoff which means that a TV could possibly broadcast:
1) at 18.45 CET Everton v Sporting Lisbon
2) at 20.45 CET Lyon v Real Madrid and/or AC Milan v Manchester United
The kickoff for the Galatasaray match on Tuesday 23th is 18.00 CET, because it takes into account the possible extra-time and p.s.o.
Well... I am sure that not a single channel will do so! Many channels have a 1/4 hour or 3/4 hour program to present the big CL matches to come.
You don't show a ACM v MU or OL v RM that has cost you millions as if it was on the internet! You need to warm up your fellow watchers, and not with a possibily boring EL match.
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Now, more specific. Where's the document Giulia Bould was talking about?
To her, the priority is 1) Liverpool 2) Everton 3) Fulham because Liverpool ended 4th and Everton 5th... Yet, "Had Everton won the FA Cup final against Chelsea, the situation would have been reversed and Liverpool would have been left with no option but to play on the Tuesday." |
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