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Author: dzomba
Date: 11-11-2009, 08:02

Previous Topic is HERE

In the end Real was easily eliminated from Copa del Rey. Segunda team Alcorcon controlled the match, and conceaded only in 81st minute. 1-0 for Real in the end, but 1-4 on aggregate.

If you have any doubts about the squad, here it is: Dudek; 'Lass' (Marcelo, m.70), Pepe, Raúl Albiol, Arbeloa ; Mahamadou Diarra (Van der Vaart, m.46), Gago, Kaká; Raúl, Higuaín y Van Nistelrooy

Valencia was also in danger, but survived. Villarreal had some problems too.

Primera teams that were eliminated are: Sporting Gijon and Tenerife, but that's not a surpise as ex-Primera teams eliminated them, Celta and Recreativo.

Author: isidromv
Date: 12-11-2009, 08:14

Spanish Copa del Rey, last 32 round results:

2-0 Getafe          - Espanyol   1-1
2-1 Valladolid      - Mallorca   0-1
2-0 Rayo (2)        - Athletic   2-2
1-0 Salamanca (2)   - Racing     1-4
2-1 Hércules (2)    - Almería    today
1-1 Zaragoza        - Málaga     0-0
0-1 Murcia (2)      - Deportivo  0-0
1-1 Recreativo (2)  - Sporting   1-1(4-2)
2-1 Celta (2)       - Tenerife   1-0
2-4 Atl. Ciudad (3) - Sevilla    1-5
0-2 Cultural (3)    - Barcelona  0-5
4-0 Alcorcón (3)    - R. Madrid  0-1
0-1 Alcoyano (3)    - Valencia   2-2
1-1 Puertollano (3) - Villarreal 0-1
0-2 Marbella (3)    - Atlético   0-6
1-2 Xerez           - Osasuna    0-1

Author: Wak
Date: 13-11-2009, 01:01
Edited by: Wak
at: 13-11-2009, 01:19

Round of 32, last update:

2-1 Hércules (2)    - Almería    1-0

32 teams, 20 from First Division, 12 from Segunda and Segunda B.
16 fixtures, none between two non-elite clubs (probably a seeding ?)
4 fixtures between clubs from the First Division.
16 qualified, 11 from First Division (max was 16) : 5 matches out of 12 did not end according to the hierarchy.

Next dates with first then second legs (source: Wikipedia and own web research) :
* Round of 16: January 5-7 ; January 13-14
* Quarterfinals: January 20-21 ; January 27-28
* Semifinals: February 3-4 ; March 10 (different if there's a Spanish team in EL-R16)
* Final: May 26

Author: biagio
Date: 13-11-2009, 04:05
Edited by: biagio
at: 13-11-2009, 04:05

ITALY

finally they played the last game of round 3 (originally scheduled on 15/08/09) : Siena - Grosseto(2) 2-0

Round 4 25/11/09, 26/11/09, 01/12/09, 02/12/09

a) Chievo Verona - Frosinone(2) 25/11
b) Palermo - Reggina(2) 26/11
c) Napoli - Cittadella(2) 26/11
d) Sampdoria - Livorno 01/12
e) Siena - Novara(3) 25/11 or 02/12
f) Atalanta - Lumezzane(3) 26/11
g) Triestina(2) - Sassuolo(2) 01/12
h) Catania - Empoli(2) 02/12

1/8th finals 10/12/09, 15/12/09 and 13/01/10
One leg - first team plays at home

1) Fiorentina - winner a
2) Lazio - winner b
3) Juventus - winner c
4) Inter - winner d
5) Milan - winner e
6) Udinese - winner f
7) Roma - winner g
8) Genoa - winner h

Quarterfinals 20/01/10 and 27/01/10
One leg - first team plays at home (games can be reversed based on results from previous round)

a) winner 1 - winner 2
b) winner 4 - winner 3
c) winner 5 - winner 6
d) winner 8 - winner 7

Semifinals 03/02/10 - 10/02/10
Two legs - first team plays first game at home (games can be reversed based on results from previous round)

winner b - winner a
winner d - winner c

Final in Rome 05/05/10

Author: isidromv
Date: 13-11-2009, 07:47

@ Wak

The last 32 round of Spanis Cup was strongly seeded, I wrote something about it in the previous topic that was archived.

From last 16 onwards there was no seeding last year, but I'm not sure about this year because the teams from lower level did complain, they prefer to play against a big team and be eliminated (unless they face Real Madrid, of course) rather than playing another lower level team with the risk of also being eliminated.

Author: Wak
Date: 17-11-2009, 01:22

Thanks for the info isidromv.

I don't find Coppa Italia's formula fair, do you? I know that it isn't a cherished competition there, but now I see why.
To sum up :
- Too complicated, thus a little bit boring to follow
- Does not offer many possibilities to see Minnows vs. Giants
- Favours too much the biggest, who have a two-round bye (true!) AND cannot face before QF
- This is a french point of view, but it seems totally different from my good old Coupe de France where any registered team with a field can play (7000 teams participating, 9 preliminary rounds, 6 final rounds)

Oh, and in Coupe de France, the 7th round (8th if you count the "preliminary round" in some regions) will be played this weekend. 86 matches, with 19 Ligue 2 teams entering. Guingamp is in Ligue 2 too, but as Cup holder they start in Round of 64 (Round 9) like the other Ligue 1 team.
5 teams from National out of 20 (3rd division) are eliminated, after 2 rounds.
Istres-Nîmes is the only L2-L2 fixture.

Author: biagio
Date: 17-11-2009, 06:09

Wak wrote :
I don't find Coppa Italia's formula fair, do you? I know that it isn't a cherished competition there, but now I see why.
To sum up :
1) - Too complicated, thus a little bit boring to follow
2) - Does not offer many possibilities to see Minnows vs. Giants
3) - Favours too much the biggest, who have a two-round bye (true!) AND cannot face before QF
4) - This is a french point of view, but it seems totally different from my good old Coupe de France where any registered team with a field can play (7000 teams participating, 9 preliminary rounds, 6 final rounds)

ok here it is :
1) - here i disagree with you. it's not complicated at all. all the teams(and their supporters) know their path since august. it's a straight-elimination series of ties with preset matches based on seed. not complicated at all. maybe the tournament IS boring, but not because it's complicated. i wouldn't call it boring, but a lot of teams prefer the league and european cups to the national cup. 2 years ago milan lost in 1/8th at home against catania because they put 0(zero) usual starters in the field because the game was in between the club world cup final and an important league game.
2) - true to a point though. this year we'll see a 2nd league team go to the olimpic stadium to play against roma next month. and last year a 3rd league team went to play at the same stadium against lazio(eventually the cup winner).
3) - true. i guess the italian federation do that because they don't want a team like guingamp in el...
4) - the french and english cup model is different then a lot of other national cups. is it better? worse? i don't know. you can have nice stories like guingamp,nimes and calais, but then don't whine about the national coefficient...

Author: hamlett
Date: 17-11-2009, 13:39

Decades ago, there was a kind of magic in french cup. Amateur teams could meet with top first league teams, some good amateur teams could get as high as quarter finals, and that was a real event.

Coming into the nineties, best professional teams became less and less motivated, and even once, there was only one first league team in quarter finals. Third or even fifth division teams got to rounds of 16 and 8, beating teams like PSG or Marseille.

Imagine that only one seeded player would be qualified for Wimbledon quarterfinals, and semi-finals featuring Petzschner, Clément, Nieminen and Gonzalez. Not sure sponsoring would be there for long.

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: executor Date: 19-11-2009, 21:11	Romanian Cup QF FC Braşov - Gloria Bistriţa 3-0 SC Vaslui - Internaţional Curtea de Argeş 1-0 U Craiova - CFR Cluj (TH) 0-1 Astra Ploieşti - Dinamo 1-2 No surprises here. All the favourites won in regular time. At least this means we won't have a weak team in EL.

Author: AlanK
Date: 26-11-2009, 22:14

Spain: the draw for octavos, cuartos and semifinales of the Copa del Rey will be held Tuesday, Dec. 1, at 13:00 CET. Apparently the draw for octavos will be seeded--I reached this conclusion since marca.com reports that the cuartos will be a "sorteo puro" (pure drawing, that is unseeded).
The matchups previously reported on ESPN futbol were completely bogus--the listing has disappeared from the ESPN website.

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: amirbachar Date: 27-11-2009, 00:56	AlanK, the draw for the 1/8 finals is an open draw too. The only think that is fixed is that if two teams from different leagues play each other, the bottom team will host the 1st match (so the tie won't be over and it could make some money from TV and tickets...)

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: AlanK Date: 27-11-2009, 20:12	Thanks, Amirbachar, and I've now confirmed this on rfef.es.

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: isidromv Date: 01-12-2009, 16:36	The draw of the final rounds of Spanish Copa del Rey took place today: link on MARCA.

Author: dzomba
Date: 02-12-2009, 08:01
Edited by: dzomba
at: 02-12-2009, 08:06

Wow.

Barcelona - Sevilla in 8th finals, winner probably facing Valencia or Deportivo, who fight for 4th CL spot, and in semifinals winner the most likely faces Atletico or Villarreal !

EDIT: Ooh, now i see Mallorca is in Barca's half, while Atletico and Villarreal are in the opposite. It means Atletico still has a chance to earn European spot ...

My first impression was shock, but now it looks more balanced.

Author: biagio
Date: 03-12-2009, 06:18

ITALY

Round 4 25/11/09, 26/11/09, 01/12/09, 02/12/09

Chievo Verona - Frosinone(2) 2-0
Palermo - Reggina(2) 4-1
Napoli - Cittadella(2) 1-0
Sampdoria - Livorno 1-2
Siena - Novara(3) 0-2
Atalanta - Lumezzane(3) 0-1
Triestina(2) - Sassuolo(2) 1-0
Catania - Empoli(2) 2-0

wow, 3rd league team goes to san siro against milan, another 3rd league team goes in udine, 2nd league team goes to olimpico against roma and 2nd level serie a team to san siro against inter.
now, who said that coppa italia is not exciting?

ah, i forgot, the only "tough" game happens to be the one involving my juve... i guess is just bad luck...

1/8th finals 10/12/09, 15/12/09 and 13/01/10
One leg - first team plays at home

1) Fiorentina - Chievo Verona
2) Lazio - Palermo
3) Juventus - Napoli
4) Inter - Livorno
5) Milan - Novara(3)
6) Udinese - Lumezzane(3)
7) Roma - Triestina(2)
8) Genoa - Catania

Quarterfinals 20/01/10 and 27/01/10
One leg - first team plays at home (games can be reversed based on results from previous round)

a) winner 1 - winner 2
b) winner 4 - winner 3
c) winner 5 - winner 6
d) winner 8 - winner 7

Semifinals 03/02/10 - 10/02/10
Two legs - first team plays first game at home (games can be reversed based on results from previous round)

winner b - winner a
winner d - winner c

Final in Rome 05/05/10

Author: ryudi
Date: 16-12-2009, 16:09
Edited by: ryudi
at: 16-12-2009, 16:12

Bulgaria 1/8 finals .
12.12 Marek(2) - Kaliakra (2) 1:5
12.12 Minyor - Sliven 1:0
12.12 Chernomorec Pomorie(2) - Botev Vratsa (2) 1:0
12.12 Lokomotiv Sofia - Slavia 1:2
12.12 Maritsa(3) - Chavdar(2) 0:1 ET
12.12 CSKA - Litex 1:0
13.12 Lokomotiv Mezdra - Beroe 0:3
13.12 Cherno more - Levski 4:1

As you can see there are only 5 top-flight teams in the next round. Next round draw will be on 18.12 with no seeded teams. One match , with extra-time and penalties if needed , lower-division team play at home .

Author: biagio
Date: 17-12-2009, 04:59

ITALY

1/8th finals
One leg - first team plays at home

today inter beat livorno 1-0. the rest of the games will be played next year.

1) Fiorentina - Chievo Verona 14/01
2) Lazio - Palermo 14/01
3) Juventus - Napoli 13/01
4) Inter - Livorno 1-0
5) Milan - Novara(3) 13/01
6) Udinese - Lumezzane(3) 14/01
7) Roma - Triestina(2) 12/01
8) Genoa - Catania 13/01

Quarterfinals 20/01/10 and 27/01/10
One leg - first team plays at home (games with a * can be reversed based on results from previous round)

a) * winner 1 - winner 2
b) Inter - winner 3
c) * winner 5 - winner 6
d) * winner 8 - winner 7

Semifinals 03/02/10 - 10/02/10
Two legs - first team plays first game at home (games can be reversed based on results from previous round)

winner b - winner a
winner d - winner c

Final in Rome 05/05/10

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: ryudi Date: 18-12-2009, 13:00	Bulgaria 1/4 finals draw result Chernomorec Pomorie (2) - Minyor Beroe - CSKA Kaliakra (2) - Cherno more Chavdar (2) - Slavia Matches will be played in spring 2010 , no exact dates yet

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 22-12-2009, 11:07	Dutch Cup 1/8 finals: Yesterday Heracles Almelo-Go Ahead Eagles (2) 0-2 Today Baronie (3)-Sparta Rotterdam Feyenoord-AZ Tomorrow FC Groningen-NEC FC Twente-Helmond Sport (2) WHC (3)-Ajax SC Heerenveen-PSV De Graafschap 2 (R1)-NAC Breda

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 24-12-2009, 12:28	Tuesday Baronie (3)-Sparta Rotterdam 0-5 Feyenoord-AZ 1-0 Wednesday FC Groningen-NEC 0-2 FC Twente-Helmond Sport (2) 3-0 WHC (3)-Ajax 1-14 (!) SC Heerenveen-PSV postponed to 16 January De Graafschap 2 (R1)-NAC Breda 0-2 aet Draw for the quarterfinals (26-28 January): NAC Breda-Go Ahead Eagles (2) winner SC Heerenveen/PSV-Feyenoord Sparta Rotterdam-FC Twente Ajax-NEC

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: BBP Date: 24-12-2009, 17:10	Belgium: Club Brugge 2-1 Lokeren Standard 1-2 Kortrijk Z.Waregem 23/12 Cercle Brugge Westerlo 3-1 Bergen (II) Charleroi 2-5 KV Mechelen Racing Genk 1-2 Roeselare Anderlecht 3-0 Dender (II) AA Gent 1-0 Germinal Beerschot Quarter-Finals: Club Brugge - AA Gent Anderlecht - Z.Waregem/Cercle Brugge KV Mechelen - Westerlo Kortrijk - Roeselare

Re: Domestic Cups 2009/10
Author: nislija Date: 25-12-2009, 02:10 Edited by: nislija at: 25-12-2009, 02:10	serbia, 1/4 finals (matches played one mounth ago) only one leg red star - spartak 3:2 jagodina - partizan 1:2 vojvodina - smederevo 1:0 borac -ofk belgrade 0:2 draw for the 1/2; date is somewhere in april, also one leg partizan - vojvodina and red star - ofk belgrade final is in may