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6-th spot race continues
Author: aladdin Date: 01-10-2009, 20:36	(I'm unable to post to the old thread, so I'm just starting a new one.) @ssrree: If there is to be a Russian team in Spring I'd rather prefer that one to be Rubin, not CSKA. Obviously, because that'll imply Kiev to have ended their European season by then.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 01-10-2009, 21:25	Shakhtar won.....cluj lost,steaua draw.

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 01-10-2009, 22:01

seems a disaster for romanian teams...

steaua lost after a good first half but an awful 2nd one and with 2 points has few chances to qualify. i still think twente is a weak team but even a win against them in ghencea is not enough.

CFR played a great 2nd half with PSV and even if they lost they feel strong and in control. cfr's games against sparta are decisive for the qualification.

halftime timisoare 0-1 zagrem with timisoara playing virtually nothing

halftime dinamo 0-0 panathinaikos with the greeks clearly the better team and dinamo fighting not to concede a goal. a draw would be a great result. a win a miracle.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 01-10-2009, 22:14	Timisoara 0-2..... Well Rom needs a win from Dinamo.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 01-10-2009, 22:14	Timishoara 0-2 получайте суки!!!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 01-10-2009, 22:21	0-3????lol.....

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 01-10-2009, 22:21	0-3 вот цена вашему чемпионату и стране!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 01-10-2009, 22:42	And Pana scores. Well 3 defeats,2 draws for Romania this week? Russia better,Ukraine the same points.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: niti_rapid Date: 01-10-2009, 23:01	YES BUT WHEN YOU (UKR) WILL PLAY WITH 6 TEAMS, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE ,,SCORE" WOULD BE. ASK YOUR NEIGHBOURS, THE RUSSIANS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA AND STOP! THIS YEARS'S MATCHES AREN'T FINISH.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: aladdin Date: 01-10-2009, 23:05	Yep... After today's results it would be damn hard to have any Romanian presence in the Spring. Maybe CFR? Or Unirea? But both are long shots.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 01-10-2009, 23:14	Russia: 40.125 Ukraine: 37.950 Romania: 37.491 CFR are still in a very good position to qualify. Urziceni depends on the games with Rangers. Steaua would be in a decent position if they wouldn't have lost against Serif.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 01-10-2009, 23:26	niti_rapid in your opinion teams from 3 to a 6 place in Ukraine weaker then Romanian?? I do not consider so...we have Dnepr, Metalist and Metalurg Donetsk also very strong!!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 01-10-2009, 23:52	Ukraine hasn't played with 6 teams yet (not in the last 5 years at least). btw Metallica you know I could ask you were are those wonderful teams from 3 to 6.

Author: ssrree
Date: 02-10-2009, 00:18

It was a vey bad day for Romania,and Shakhtar made 2 more points like we expected.Timisoara-Dinamo 0-3 didnt soprise me,because Dinamo Zagreb is much beter team then many people think.
Dinamo Bukurest-Panatinaikos 0-1,I didnt expect that,I thought Dinamo will win.
Twente-Steaua 0-0 and PSV-Cluj 1-0 are expected results.
After this week Russia has even big distanse than before!It will not be easy to catch Russia for Ukrainne and Romania!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: niti_rapid Date: 02-10-2009, 08:54 Edited by: niti_rapid at: 02-10-2009, 08:57	Metallica, Be quiet, please. In Ukraine is Kiev and ROMANIAN'S Donetsk... NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!! What did Metallist Harkov last year was pure haphazard!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Alin Date: 02-10-2009, 09:16	Pentru romanii de aici: sunt innebunit dupa acest coeficient, urmaresc de multi ani discutiile si am zis ca ar fi frumos sa avem si un forum in romana, daca va intereseza veniti, http://coeficientul.comlu.com/

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: uartem Date: 02-10-2009, 09:31	In a long run Ukraine and Russia will be in top 5, which place from 10th to 15th will Romania occupy does not actually matters too much to me.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 02-10-2009, 10:18

Steaua is in the same position as Ajax: 2 draws against teams that looked very much beatable, and now 2 tough encounters (Fenerbahce/Din.Zagreb - OK Fener sounds better, but DZ should not be underrated). I still have high hopes that Ajax will qualify, and so don't give up hope. Though of course I hope you eliminate Fener in the next 2 ties and not Twente in the last MD

. For coefficient, Turkey is a real danger for Holland this and even more next year, while Romania is still less

My opinion about 6th spot race:
Russia: 40.125
CSKA and Rubin both are still in the race for 3rd spot and so plays after winter
Ukraine: 37.950
Shakthar is in KO round, Kiev still has it in their own hands to get there
Romania: 37.491
Unirea will have interesting ties with Rangers to show what place they will end up. 3rd is surely possibly.
Cluj now has to show vs. Sparta with at least 4p that they should be there. I think they can.
Steaua has less chance vs. Fenerbahce, but Twente showed that Fener is not unbeatable
Dinamo looks out in group with Gala and Pana
Timisoara also seem not able to be in top-2

In the mean time they will crawl in the direction of Russia, especially in the next 2 MD's as ManUtd and Barca are the 2 opponents for the Russians!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 02-10-2009, 10:37	niti_rapid Metalist,Dnipro,Metalurg = Unirea,Steua,Cluj budget UKR teams >>>>>> budget ROM hahahahaha romanians Shakhtar?? are you in the mind? Lucescy and Razvan Rat only Ukraine will be 6th along a few time=)) and Romania 15-20 places)))

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 02-10-2009, 10:52	I think the IQ in this topic is very low and we shouldn't participate anymore. Sometimes I think kids of 14-16 years are debating. How come romanians are answering to Metallica? Anyway, I'm The battle for 6th spot can be followed without reading stupid remarks about a nation, a race, ot a team.

Author: ssrree
Date: 02-10-2009, 11:03

After second day match,my opinion is

RUSSIA
CSKA has 40% chance to pass group and about 40% for EL
Rubin has about 10% to pass group and 20% for EL

UKRAINNE
Dinamo K. has 50% chance to pass group and 30% for EL
Shakhtar has 95% chance to pass group

ROMANIA
Unirea has a 30% to pass group and 40% for EL
Timisoara has a 30% to pass group
Dinamo B. has a 50% to pass group
Steaua has a 60% to pass group
Cluj has a 60% to pass group

So,probably after GS,Russia will have only CSKA,Ukrainna bouth clubs and Romania Unirea,Cluj,Steaua and maybe Dinamo B.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 02-10-2009, 11:53	ssrree you are a bit optimistic or romanian teams chances.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 02-10-2009, 12:01	bbi@ Romanian clubs have a very bad day yesterday,but they didnt forget to play! I think they will have about 3 clubs in the spring! Dont forget that Timisoara through out Shakhtar from CL/Q,so Romanian clubs are dengerous for everybody when they have a good day!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: mihaialexgl Date: 02-10-2009, 12:03 Edited by: mihaialexgl at: 02-10-2009, 12:04	steaua and Cluj played well,and could have gained more,but it's ok for away matches. timisoara and dinamo were disappointing,to say the least.The absence of fans,for different reasons,played a part in those defeats as well.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 02-10-2009, 12:05	4 teams in the spring???? hahahaha romanian teams in group stage 10 plays 4 goals Timishoara during 5 plays cannot goals

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: vavact Date: 02-10-2009, 16:11	I guess Bert isn't reading this topics anymore, else I can't explain why Metallica is still here.

Author: Axel
Date: 02-10-2009, 17:05
Edited by: Axel
at: 02-10-2009, 17:27

Russia: 40.125 (/6)
Ukraine: 37.950 (/5)
Romania: 37.491 (/6)

a decent winter prediction:

Russia:

CSKA 3rd->EL : +3 points
Rubin 4th/3rd->out/EL : +3 points

=> 6 / 6 = 1.0

Ukraine:

Dynamo K 3rd/4th->EL/out : +2 points
Shakhtar 1st->pass EL : +6 points

=> 8 / 5 = 1.6

Romania:

Unirea 4th->out : +2 points
Timisoara 4th->out : +2 points
Dinamo B. 3rd->out : +3 points
Steaua 2nd->pass EL : +5 points
Cluj 2nd/3rd->pass/out : +4 points

=> 16 / 6 = 2.666

altogether:

Russia: 41.125
Ukraine: 39.550
Romania: 40.158

note: you see, my general presumption is that neither Dynamo nor CSKA nor Rubin nor Unirea were in CL Last 16

What happens after winter ???
We'll see...

Ukraine will have a chance only if Shakhtar and/or Dynamo will go at least to the EL quarters. (possible)
Same counts for one (or maybe two) of the Romanian teams. (possible)
Plus, CSKA/Rubin must fail early. (50-50)

While thinking defensively about the final standings and what happens in spring, I'd say that Russia is still in good a position to hold place 6, unless both teams totally fail from now on, but I don't expect it from what I've seen so far.

Edit:
the Romanians have many possibilities
maybe: Unirea +1, but also Steaua -1; Timisoara? +1 but idk...
well, it doesn't change the whole thing too much

Author: zenit
Date: 02-10-2009, 20:35

Where did the old Forum 1 go with thick, lower-case, non-provocating posts & intelligent discussions? It really seems to me that the forum has become something like a chat-rooms for dregs of Ukrainian & Romanian society to clear up who has bigger ahem...

It's really amusing & yet pitiful to notice - at least I don't remember - that after Russia overtook Portugal & Romania in the ranking, the forum didn't really consist of pure 'Russia the best, the rest sux' or smth like that posts. By now, we see quite the opposite by our dear neighbours' participation...

Better days have been over. Hopefully, it will last till Bert's come & Metallica's subsequent ban. I fully agree with vavact's, bbi's & SHEV's points on this matter. Some users can really make a misery from a good forum.

Sorry for my English. Due to the long absense here, I seem having really forgot the half of the language.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 02-10-2009, 22:29	Yeah,Metallica is a disgrace and i am a dynamo kyiv supporter.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: niti_rapid Date: 02-10-2009, 22:47 Edited by: niti_rapid at: 02-10-2009, 22:50	Ricardo, Perhaps you should read some more about our history. Never crawling from our side and in any case NOT TO A FORMER COMUNIST COUNTRY as they ,,bought" us in Yalta in 1944... From the point of view of your's powerfull P.S.V. you were lucky not get some goal(s) from C.F.R. The crowd in ,,Phillips Stadium" was happy that the match came to an end.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Overgame Date: 02-10-2009, 22:56	Are we in the 2nd part of the romanian talk : 'our opponents were lucky" after the first part "we will be 6th zasily for sure, we are better than Russia and Ukraine" ? Timisora was lucky to pass Shaktar, Dinamo lucky to not have been kicked by UEFA. If I was romanian, I wouldn't be complaining about "luck".

Author: cinebelul
Date: 02-10-2009, 23:14

Why should Dinamo have been excluded by UEFA?
There are rules and Dinamo didn't fulfiled any criteria to be excluded.
If we talk about wishfull thinking, I prefere also an expulsion for Dinamo Zagreb because they did a lot of trouble in Timisoara yestarday..
And not, our opponents weren't by all means lucky, I think some of us poited already out that MD2 was a tough one for Romania. But there will still follow games vs Rangers (Unirea) or Sparta Prague (CFR Cluj) + some draws here and there we will do about 1.0/MD, while Russia have to face ManU and Barcelona. I would say Russia will feel our breath in their nape around MD5

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 02-10-2009, 23:16	niti_rapid, I don't understand where the historic remark comes from. There is no relation to anything I said, so I will ignore it further. PSV-Cluj should have been 5-0 at half time. It wasn't and indeed PSV almost was punished for it with an equalizer. I also wrote that I think Cluj will now get major points from Sparta and will be a candidate to qualify.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: niti_rapid Date: 04-10-2009, 21:03	Ricardo, What do you meant by saying ,,In the mean time they will crawl in the direction of Russia"? ???????????????

Author: JPV
Date: 05-10-2009, 07:33
Edited by: JPV
at: 05-10-2009, 07:41

He means Romania will shrink the arrears coefficient-wise. So, instead of Russia leading Romania by 3 points, it will become 2 or less.

And history has nothing to do with football. If so, we would have to hate the Dutch, French, Spanish, German, Austrian, Hungarian, Latin(/Italian) and Norwegian teams as a Belgian citizen. Would be to hard to do. So please, (some) Romanian & other supporters: stop referring to history and accept a defeat by grace, not by referring to 'luck' of the opponent.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 05-10-2009, 09:53	Yes indeed JPV, that's what I meant with crawling: slowly getting closer to Russia. The crawling meant that you wouldn't be there in 1 big step, but get closer in a few small steps. No intention of the used word to say anything about the (historical) relationship between (the people of) these countries. Sorry if you read it like that.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: softer_lviv Date: 06-10-2009, 15:48	At the winter break Romania will passed Ukraine, but at the finish of this season Ukraine will be 6-th, Romania 7th and Russia 8-th.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 06-10-2009, 18:46	In the winter break,all three countries will be very close about 41,000 coef.So,it will be very important which champion will pass group in CL because its brings 5 bonus points(about 1,000 coef). Off course,very important is also with how much clubs,this countries will play in the spring!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: hamlett Date: 06-10-2009, 20:27	By the end of GS, Romania might be close to Russia, and Ukraine still behind. Then, logically, Russia will have one team left, Ukraine two, and I would say Romania only one (maybe two). The main question is : can Ukraine with two teams come back from a 1.5 or 2 pts deficit ? My guess is still 6. Russia, 7. Ukraine, 8. Romania. But it might be very very close.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 06-10-2009, 20:51	@ssrree I'm not sure I agree that passing CL GS is the most important. Getting 5 bonuspoints, but then losing both matches, or going to EL GS and pass there 2 or more rounds.... I think that just passing the GS itself is already reason to probably get at least 5 points

Author: ssrree
Date: 06-10-2009, 21:25

Ricardo@ Are you sure that Dinamo Kijev,Rubin,CSKA or Unirea,if they pass CL/GS,will lose bouth match in 1/16 finals? I dont think so.
And do you realy think that is easy to take a 5 or more points
when you start from 1/32 in EL?
Last season parachutes from CL/GS was very successfull in the EL(Shakhtar and Werder- finals,Dinamo Kiev-semifinals,Marseille-quarter finals,Zenit and Aalborg-round 4,just Fiorentina and Bordeaux finished in round 3.But its happend sometimes,usually parachuts from CL/GS are much more successful!
I am sure that this year parachutes from CL/GS will not have a three semifinalist in EL!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Axel Date: 06-10-2009, 21:40	depends on the opponent in the Round of last 16, of course...

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 06-10-2009, 22:05	All oponents in 1/16 are very strong in CL,but also in EL. Now,when is 5 bonus points in CL for passing group,no chance that parachutes from CL/GS can make all together more points then second clubs from CL/GS all together. So,its very important to pass CL/GS for coefficients.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: uartem Date: 07-10-2009, 15:47	If you are second in CL GS it means that you got more points in GS than if you were third. So, it is more than 5 points to pass the GS, simple math.

Author: softer_lviv
Date: 09-10-2009, 01:33

If to take into account only prospect of takes points to rating, not prestige, then I think that its hard to say what look better: to play in EL, or play in PO CL with 5 bonus points. From one side, if for example, Dynamo Kyiv will be 3rd in group and will play in EL there is greater probability to takes more points, because the teams in EL is not so strong like in CL. But PO CL get 5 points... and strong opponent.
Of course, much depends on drawing, but now, in October, it hard to answer the question: what is better to takes more points?

Author: ssrree
Date: 09-10-2009, 02:31

Parachutes from GS/CL usualy takes average about 4 points in EL.
Last season parachutes made a record with 3 clubs in semifinals(Dinamo Kiev,Shakhtar and Werder),and bouth finalist was from CL.
But,I dont think that this year again parachutes can make it again.So,its much beter to take 5 bonus points and try to catch some points more against Barcelona or Chelsea.In EL 1/32 club can stay without any points!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 09-10-2009, 02:55	In 1/16 EL will be also many great clubs like Valencia,HSV,Werder,Shakhtar,Roma,Everton,Benfica,Sporting,Lille,Villareal,Lazi o,Genoa,Ajax,Fulham,Panatinaikos,Galatasaray,PSV,Atletic Bilbao,Steaua,Fenerbahce,Anderlecht,Celtic,Brugge,Cluj and so on. Against such clubs is not easy to make 5 points.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: babasol Date: 09-10-2009, 21:05	6.Russia 7.Ukrainne 8.Romania Russia have about 2,000 coef. more and its too much for Ukrainne and Romania.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 10-10-2009, 22:32	Serbia-Romania 5-0!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! thanks Serbia! slavs forever!!!! PS. i cannot register on forum2 that's why i am read this here!!!!!

Author: executor
Date: 11-10-2009, 11:53

Special dedication for Metallica:

1996/97 UCR1: Chernomorets Odessa - FC Naюional 0-0 0-2
2001/02 CLQR3: Steaua - Dynamo Kiev 2-4 1-1
2003/04 UCR1: Dinamo Bucharest - Shakhtar Donetsk 2-0 3-2
2005/06 UCGS: Shakhtar Donetsk - Rapid Bucharest 0-1
2006/07 CLGS: Dynamo Kiev - Steaua 1-4 1-1
2009/10 CLQR3: Shakhtar Donetsk - FC Timiєoara 2-2 0-0

Total games: 11
Ukrainian wins: 1 (!!!)
Draws: 5
Romanian wins: 5

Ukrainian goals: 11
Romanian goals: 18

Now, find a cork and place it over one of your openings!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 11-10-2009, 13:35	and what?? force of countries is determined not on the separately taken matches, only on the seasons!!! from 1997 to 2006 Ukraine was higher than Romania and from 2009 Ukraine is higher again!!!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: JPV Date: 11-10-2009, 20:47	Metallica and others, this isn't a forum about fighting whose country is the best. Would be quite hard for someone from Andorra or San Marino. So, keep thoses discussions out of here and have some genuine discussions.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 20-10-2009, 23:01	Rubin might just make all of those Rom/Ukr disputes useless.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 20-10-2009, 23:07	Rubin will be 4th...

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: babasol Date: 20-10-2009, 23:34	Rubin destroyed Barcelona,but Unirea was great too,Dinamo Kijev draw with Inter! So,all clubs in fight for 6-th place for Country ranking was just great tonight!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Dray Date: 20-10-2009, 23:34	Metallica - inadequate! It is a lot of them in our countries... Play football, not war.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 21-10-2009, 01:06	i now find it interesting..romania-ukraine-russia can be battled in UCL all 3 countries have a chance to pass a team in UCL last 16 and a 5 point bonus that means 0.8->1.0 pt. inter seems out of shape and if they loose against dynamo they are out ! how would it be ? : 1 rubin 2 dynamo 3 barca 3 inter ))

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 21-10-2009, 03:35 Edited by: kleber at: 21-10-2009, 05:25	Well insane result for Rubin. Good for Dinamo. But romania might get the 5 points from unirea qual,looks like that.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 21-10-2009, 08:41	due to the matches of yesterday I have in my sheets now Unirea ending on 2nd spot due to their 2 home matches to come, but in F no changes (yet): (Kiev 3rd, Rubin 4th). Romania has fully come back in the fight for 6th spot: Russia 42.458 Romania 41.991 Ukraine 41.750 This is a great fight!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 21-10-2009, 12:14	how can you say there are no chances for dynamo or rubin ? if dynamo beats inter in kyev its over for the italians.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 21-10-2009, 20:29	Cska looked horrible today. They will not get second place,better for bRussia to wish Wolsburg to beat Besiktas in the next two games.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 21-10-2009, 22:51	Wolsburg-Besiktas 0-0

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 21-10-2009, 23:47 Edited by: dinamo_fan at: 22-10-2009, 10:57	indeed cska played bad..if they continue than they might loose even the 3rd spot and that would be a great handicap for russia in the race. let us hope romania does not crash the chances for all 3 team in UCL tomorrow because if any of them looses maybe except CFR, it means they are out of the spring. sahtior should take 2 easy points so romania needs about 4-5 to keep the pace.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 21-10-2009, 23:56	Russia 40.458 Ukrainne 38.550 Romania ? Romania has chance to catch Ukrainne tomorow or to come very close! Russia still have about 2 points more,but Ukrainne and Romania comings closer.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 22-10-2009, 11:01	romania has now 37.824 and can tie ukraine tonight but if any of the 4 romanian teams looses, its almost sure they loose the qualification and than means a clear advantage for russia and ukraine in the spring. i think after tonight we can really start speculating on how many teams romania can pass on into the spring and how many points they need to catch russia.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 22-10-2009, 17:16 Edited by: moro at: 22-10-2009, 17:17	I've checked and re-checked, cant find russian teams playing today at 19h and 21h CET. Do they start earlier, like in CL ?

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Overgame Date: 22-10-2009, 18:41 Edited by: Overgame at: 22-10-2009, 18:53	I checked and re-checked, I don't see Romania in top6 in the current country ranking.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 22-10-2009, 18:50 Edited by: kleber at: 22-10-2009, 18:51	Ukraine have Shakhtar and Dinamo. Cska needs now to beat wolfsbug at home and draw in turkey to have europe next february. And why not inter ends in 4 th place?

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 22-10-2009, 21:04	Cluj and steaua lost. Shakhtar demolish Toulouse,4-0. Shakhtar 12 goals in 3 games.

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 22-10-2009, 21:08

the 6th place is lost..lets just hope we get some more points so next year we remain in top 13. the difference between sahtior, rubin, dynamo and the romanian teams is obvious and we should be glad those results 3-4 years ago still keep us high.

i watched a highlight from sahtior-toulouse .. magnificent footbal played by the ukrainians..super class, sahtior should be favourite to win the Europa League.

Author: ELECTRIC
Date: 22-10-2009, 21:18
Edited by: ELECTRIC
at: 22-10-2009, 21:21

Interesting fight continues. I expected Romania to overcome Ukraine already after first group matchday, but Steaua and Cluj struggled again, maybe they don`t get EL seriously after CL, and trying to do their best in League to get into CL next year. Anyway, I am pissed with Dnipro last year and Metalist /Metalurg this year, what is the reason to have 6 teams in Eurocups if they lose to Bellinzona in qualifying rounds.
Still, I remember the times when Shachtar was humiliated with Aystria 5-1 at home not so long time ago, and now they play such a nice footie, you never know what will be the next move of Villian, Fernandinjo, Jadson. Every time I watch their game, I simply cannot stop and laugh how easy and beatifully they work with the ball. It really does not matter if Shachtar wins or draws, it simply good to watch and learn new tricks. Especially, I like Villian, hope he will become a top player, he has smt sticky and I have never seen the ball going further then 50cm from him even after long passes 45-50m from Chigrinski last year
to dinamo_fan: I still favour Romania before Ukraine to catch Russia, Cluj just was too confident with Sparta and will play in spring as well as Unirea, and Steaua or Dinamo can improve too

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 22-10-2009, 21:52	Galatasaray-Dinamo 2-0,ht. 3 defeats for Romania today so it is now all about Timisoara-Anderlecht,0-0 ht. On other hand Twente result helps Romania.

Author: bbi
Date: 22-10-2009, 22:38

Interesting fight continues. I expected Romania to overcome Ukraine already after first group matchday, but Steaua and Cluj struggled again, maybe they don`t get EL seriously after CL, and trying to do their best in League to get into CL next year.

nope there really can't be that. For that you would need to get in CL last 8 last 4 to disconsider EL. Unfortunately Steaua is in very hard times at the moment some very bad "managerial" decisions. CFR loss is not that bad because it was in an away game and the teams are very close.

agreeing to Dinamo_fan I believe we came back to normal and we can't fight for 6th. we probably need to get as many points as we can for the battle with Scotland for 13th place in 2 years. We just past them unless Celtic will bring enough points to overcome us again.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 22-10-2009, 22:42	Romania good-bye!!!!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 22-10-2009, 23:03	just 1 point today. and to think in CL with one team we got 2 points.

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 22-10-2009, 23:13

yup.. it seems that EL is finished for the moment and all we can hope for is that urziceni qualifies in UCL and brings another 7-8 points for us + some give or take from the 4 EL mock teams.

after tonights events EL spring seems most improbable for dinamo and timisoara while steaua needs to beat both twente and sheriff and hope that 8 points are enough...slight chances there. the 4th team: CFR also needs to win at least 4 poins on hopme ground with sparta and PSV and hope that 7 points is enough.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 22-10-2009, 23:17	So Russia lost very few points to Rom and ukr this week. Another bad week for Rom but everything can happen.

Author: Overgame
Date: 22-10-2009, 23:25

Hmm, the romanian teams are killing themselves.

When I look at the at the groups and the last games, I'm wondering how many romanian teams will be here in spring :

-Unirea shouldn't end 4th, they might even take a really big option to be 2nd if they win next week.
-Timisora hasn't won a tie this year, and haven't scored a goal since the 1st leg vs Shaktar and now they need a few wins, but they have already played 2 games at home.
-Dinamo isn't out yet, but they will probably need a 7/9 to qualify, and I have high doubt about them getting something in Greece.
-Steaua is a shame for the potA teams. 0 goal scored ! If they don't win in Greece, they will need to hope for some good scores to keep a chance.
-Cluj has won at home and lost away. Nothing bad, but that might not be enough to qualify.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 22-10-2009, 23:32 Edited by: bbi at: 22-10-2009, 23:34	Steaua won't be winning in Greece even if we could transfer in this 2 weeks Kaka Pirlo Essien Drogba Robben Sneijder Nesta Rio Ferdinand Lham Alves and Czech and that's for sure. oh technically all Steaua needs is a draw between Fener and Twente(or Fener win)

Author: moro
Date: 22-10-2009, 23:33

I think Fener is better than Galata and Dinamo better than Steaua and next round Dinamo can win. Anyway, Dinamo is a miracle-baby (after Slovan), so any point is like a gift.
Unfortunately, Steaua's loss means that Twente and Fener will be happy with a draw in MD5 and qualify hand in hand.
CFR lost as expected against a czech team, but still have decent chances to pass.
Timisoara is a joke. 9th match in a row without a win in Europe.

We sucked again, but it's not over. In fact we can only join Russia if russians fail + Unirea gets to CLKO. But for the moment they dont.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 22-10-2009, 23:34	Is Fenerbahзe playing in Greece now?

Author: uartem
Date: 22-10-2009, 23:41

0.6 for Ukraine
0.333 for Russia

I hope Ukraine will make 0.6 next matchday and I hope Russia will do less than 0.6 ))) Afterwards we will have a face to face game in Kazan. Dynamo is clearly better for me, but Rubin plays some strange football, you never know what to expect. It looks like every team in this group can be 1st and can be 4th. But, as I know Ukrainian and Russian clubs quite well, it does not seam that they can fight strong at the moment when you have to decide who goes through. I think Barca will win in Kazan. Dynamo has good chances against Inter at home. However, they should have won already away game already and than they would have already solved their task for 2 games with Inter - to not let them pass Kiev. A very interesting group we have

I do not know what happens with Romania. They need 6th place this season, otherwise they will not have this chance soon again.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 22-10-2009, 23:44 Edited by: dinamo_fan at: 22-10-2009, 23:44	i think it is not important where they play as long as WE play nowhere, nothing..

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Overgame Date: 22-10-2009, 23:50	"I do not know what happens with Romania. " Nothing unusual. Last 2 seasons, most of their teams were out in the 1st round.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: ssrree Date: 23-10-2009, 00:04	One more a bad day for Romania today,well I think Romania cannot catch Russia anymore,maybe just if Unirea pass group in CL.Fight for 6th place will probably be between Russia and Ukrainne.

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 23-10-2009, 00:47

@ overgame

indeed if you compare it with last year its is slightly better but 2-3-4 years ago when a romanian team played uefa cup group they really did it well and against stronger teams and leving the chance to qualify until the last min of the last game (remember OM-dinamo or panathinaikos-rapid) + steaua as a pot A/B seeded really played well (steaua 4-0 lens), steaua even had something of a record on home ground in uefa cup GS

now on the other hand they play nothing but defence and even so they defend awfully with lots of mistakes and make the game so easy for the opponent team. if you watch the match you know from min 1 that the probable result would be a 0-0 or a 0-1 and a goal scored only by miracle.

the only exeption is urziceni but i dont think it will last long...we simply lack positive mentality.

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Date: 23-10-2009, 01:46

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Author: hamlett
Date: 23-10-2009, 08:08

Two weeks ago, I said :

"By the end of GS, Romania might be close to Russia, and Ukraine still behind. Then, logically, Russia will have one team left, Ukraine two, and I would say Romania only one (maybe two). The main question is : can Ukraine with two teams come back from a 1.5 or 2 pts deficit ?

My guess is still 6. Russia, 7. Ukraine, 8. Romania.

But it might be very very close."

Now, Kazan winning in Barcelona has a huge effect. If Kiev doesn't beat Inter, then probably Kazan could end up third by winning his home game against Kiev. So, this Kazan - Kiev might decide whether Russia or Ukraine is sixth.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Metallica Date: 23-10-2009, 10:26	FuckMetallica It all your envy and helplessness. Now, suck you pidaras together with other rOMANIAN teams! Ukraine will be 6 and will reconcile oneself to with it GIPSIES!

Author: babasol
Date: 23-10-2009, 10:39

Shakhtar is too strong for EL! Very easy they beat all teams in the group with gol deferents 12-2,and Shakhtar allreday pass a group!
Dinamo Kijev doing a great job,with home win against Inter he will 90% pass group in CL.I dont belive that Inter can beat Barca in Barcelona,and also that Rubin can make a 4 points more!
CSKA and Rubin are not so strong like Dinamo Kijev and Shakhtar,but they are strong!I think bouth Ukrainnian clubs will be in the game on the spring,about Russian clubs is hard to say,they can pass the group in CL,but also they can finish the last!
So I think Ukrainne will come closer to Russia,but is very defecult to say if Ukrainne can catch the 6th spot!
Romania has no chance for 6th spot anymore,in last two MD they didnt take much points and after GS they will lose few clubs!

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 23-10-2009, 12:23

my option is ukraine. romania is clearly out of the race even if on paper at least it seems not. the match between rubin and dynamo is the match than can solve the race. if dynamo beats or at least draws they can disqualify the Russians. but even if rubin qualifies and dynamo doesn't i still think sahtior can do the job for ukraine. at the moment at least sahtior is definitely one of the best 3-4 teams in EL and should normally play at least the semis.

so my vote goes to ukraine.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 23-10-2009, 12:43	My favorites remain the Russians. First and foremost they have the points already and not virtual points like the rest. Second CSKA and Rubin are very close to Dynamo and Shaktar. I don't see why Rubin can't qualify and leave Dynamo Kiev in 4th place. Also why shouldn't CSKA be able to get in EL quarter?

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 23-10-2009, 17:19	But in what kind of form will be Shakhtar in february with the winter stop? And they can get Liverpool,Bayern for example in the last 32? It all depends on the draw,if they got a easy draw for the last 32 and 16 they can win the competition.

Author: Krys
Date: 23-10-2009, 20:00

CSKA are only a shadow of the team they were last season.
They have lost Zhirkov and Vagner and all their creativity in attack with them.
Probably defence and goalkeeper are satisfactory but only Krasic and possibly Dzagoev can do smth in offence at the CL level.
I have much doubt they progress even to EL.
They need at least a win vs Wolfsburg or a draw at Besiktas.
I hardly see how they gonna do that.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: mihaialexgl Date: 23-10-2009, 20:38	---I still favour Romania before Ukraine to catch Russia, Cluj just was too confident with Sparta and will play in spring as well as Unirea, and Steaua or Dinamo can improve too--- Cluj has a very,very,very,very,very,very,very poor coach and very good players,the rest of the teams,are as good as their result show so far.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Dray Date: 23-10-2009, 23:57	to FuckMetallica about Metallica It is awful that this guy writes If I was a moderator, I will ban him ( God will forgive. You still wish to visit Ukraine in 2012? =) Russia still have bad position. But still ahead. Only hope in spring for Rubin and CSKA. Shakhtar cuts coefficient while Romania slips. It wiil be very interesting and maybe tragical in the end.

Author: ssrree
Date: 24-10-2009, 10:25

Lets see all next matches from Russian,Ukrainnian and Romanian clubs.
My prediction

Rubin- Barca 102
Inter-Rubin 10
Rubin-Dinamo 102
Manch.-CSKA 10
Beљiktaљ-CSKA 102
CSKA-Wolfsburg 10

Dinamo K.-Inter 10
Dinamo K-Barca 102
Rubin-Dinamo K.102
Toulouse-Shakhtar 2
Partizan-Shakhtar 2
Shakhtar-Brugge 1

Unirea-Glasgow 1
Stuttgart-Unirea 102
Unirea Sevilla 102
Anderlecht-Timisoara 10
Dinamo Z.-Timisoara 1
Timisoara-Ajax 02
Dinamo B-Galatasaray 102
Panatinaikos-Dinamo B 10
Dinamo B-Sturm 10
Fenerbahce-Steaua 10
Steaua-Twente 10
Sheriff-Steaua 102
Cluj-Sparta 10
Cluj-PSV 102
Kobenhaven-Cluj 10

Lets say Russian clubs will make about 6 points more in G/S,Ukrainnian about 9 points more,and Romanian about 12 points more.
So,it would be after G/S

Russia 41.658
Ukrainne 40.710
Romania 40.391

+ bonus points for pass CL/GS!
I think Unirea and Dinamo Kijev have a very good chance to pass a CL/GS,for Rubin and CSKA I would say they bouth can pass a GS,but maybe they bouth can finish on the 4-th place!
So,if bouth Russian clubs pass a CL/GS it will be very defecult to catch them,if they bouth take a third place,it will be interesting fight for third place in the spring!If Russian lose just one club probably they will lose 6th spot in the spring!

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 24-10-2009, 12:27

@ssrree

in football almost everything is unpredictable.. even timisoara or dinamo can beat the odds and win 2 maches and qualify but that is just not going to happen. the only real chances are for cfr and for steaua if they beat both sheriff and twente (they are capable of doing that). even with 2 teams in the spring, romania cannot keep the pace with ukraine. if russia is reachable because they can loose both teams or even with 1 team in the spring, sahtior is at the moment a team that will probably reach the semis and they can win even over liverpool or bayern at the moment while on the other hand there are few teams that would have problems to qualify against unirea or CFR in a knock out phase.

after the group stage i preadict:
timisoara +1 pt
CFR +3 pt
dinamo +2 pt
steaua + 3pt

that should be +1.5 pt for romania + whatever urziceni does

if they manage to get another 3 points they can qualify on 2nd spot cand get an extra 5 pts to a total of 8 pts so romania can total a maximum of 3 points and 2 teams in the spring, 1 in UCl and 1 in EL and that should be a pretty little miracle for romanian football.

Author: ssrree
Date: 24-10-2009, 14:15

UNIREA can pass a group in CL with just one domestic win with Glasgow!But they have another two matches with Sevilla at home and Stuttgart away.So,Unirea has a very big chance to pass CL/GS!
CLUJ has also good chances to pass group,if they win two domestic matches they will pass!
DINAMO B.,STEAUA and TIMISOARA needs two more wins to pass GS,its not easy but its posiblle!
I would say that 2 or 3 Romanian clubs will pass groups and Unirea will get 5 more bonus points!

SHAKHTAR allready passed group and they will take 6 or minimum 5 points more in GS!
DINAMO KIJEV has a great chance to pass group,same like Unirea,home win against Inter can be enough to pass,but they also have 2 more matches with Barca at home and Rubin away!
I would say bouth Ukrainnian clubs will pass group and Dinamo will get 5 bonus points more.

RUBIN and CSKA-I dont know what to think about them.CSKA is not so strong like last season with Ћirkov and Wagner Love,Rubin is stronger but they play in the group of death.Bouth of them have chances to pass,but not so big chances like Dinamo Kijev or Unirea.
I would say one of them will pass CL group and take a 5 bonus points!

So,fight for 6-th pot will be decided in the spring!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: softer_lviv Date: 24-10-2009, 15:18	My prediction doesn't change: At winter break: 6. Russia 7. Romania 8. Ukraine After season: 6. Ukraine 7. Romania 8. Russia

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: spartaan Date: 24-10-2009, 17:20	Bert, gooi FuckMetallica en Metallica aub uit de lijst. Ik word zo moe van die gasten, totaal geen respect!

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Othello Date: 25-10-2009, 08:23	I agree. I prefer a decent language in this forum. Kick both the Metallica?s out.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-10-2009, 18:23	Cska is a completely joke at the moment.

Author: Overgame
Date: 25-10-2009, 21:13

What's funny with ssrree is his habit to say "it's possible, you'll see" about every game, and he will brag if, once in a thousand times, he's right.

Unirea will probably needs more than 1 win to qualify for CLR2. Probably a draw in Stuttgart, or a win vs Sevilla.

Cluj, whatever he says, needs probably 7 points out of 9 to qualify, and could be (almost) out if they lose their next game. Same goes for Timisora.

Steaua and Dinamo are a joke. Even a 6 out 9 (with 2 away games for Steaua) could not be enough to qualify, and the next MD could see them already out if they lose.

The odds are against all of them, except Unirea. And after seeing them play, that's even more than simply the odds. Timisora hasn't scored a goal in 5 games and Steaua in 3 games, and you expect them to take 7 points out of 9 ? Hopes are nice, but don't hope too much.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: executor Date: 25-10-2009, 22:35	@Overgame You are wrong about Steaua. Even if they lose in Istanbul they still have decent chances for qualifying. 2 wins vs. Twente and Sheriff and hope that Twente doesn't beat Fener. I'd say it's plausible.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 25-10-2009, 22:40	Steaua with 6 points and Cluj with 5 points and Uriziceni with 3 points are 80% qulified. Just do some maths and stop the provocations.

Author: Overgame
Date: 26-10-2009, 11:16

Eh, BOY, do the math yourself !

8 points is FAR to be enough to be 2nd at 80% ({== seen this number ?) in most groups. You said it yourself : may Twente wins 2 games, and Fener one, Steaua is out if they don't take at least 7 points, and Twente has 2 games at home left, Steaua and Fener one.
With 2 wins, they have hopes, nothing else.

Now, the funniest one : Cluj. From 6 points (at home) you're back to 5 (better score, since a direct opponent, Coppenhagen, only takes one points vs them). With 5 more points, yes CLuj has 80% chance to be qualified, with 6, I'd say 50/50 (Coppenhagen can win at home vs PSV if Cluj can do it, win vs Cluj at home and take one point in the last game vs Sparta, already out while PSV wins vs Sparta too).

And Unirea is the summum :p Do you expect Sevilla to take 18 points ? And see a team qualified with 7 points ? Right now, Sevilla is 99.99% qualified with a draw. May you win vs Rangers, if you lose both games, Stuttgart only needs to wins vs Rangers, something Unirea did.

You teams are qualified with the number of points you said IF AND ONLY IF the 4th team of the group takes several points and/or the top team wins vs the rest. Well, that's exactly why, usualy, a team needs 10 points to be in the top2.

Author: moro
Date: 26-10-2009, 17:37

Unirea only needs 2 points to qualify IF all other games end with normals results (no away win except Sevilla): one against Rangers + one against Stuttgart (but not 0-0).
Steaua wont qualify because they wont win against Sheriff. they're waiting for a draw between Twente and Sheriff, wich is a normal result considering the qualities of both teams (Twente never scores more than 1 goal...). The problem is also that Fener will play loose MD5 in Holland.
CFR is better then Sparta but as I've said it many times, romanians dont win (or do it rarely) against czech, serbian, portuguese and french teams. I dont consider Kopenhagen in the battle because they're weak. And as they're weak, CFR could play the last card in Denmark, where they are able to win rather then winning over Sparta at home.
Timisoara is out, but Dinamo not. Win over Galata is possible, also a good result in Athens (Dinamo plays well outside), plus some draws to come in Graz.

Author: Overgame
Date: 26-10-2009, 18:33

moro : 2 points could be enough for Unirea, and 2 points are a better result than 3 (if your loss is against Sevilla) since Suttgart will not take the 3 points against Unirea

But only 2 points (or even 3) in the next 2 games is dangerous : if Stuttgart wins vs Rangers (well, Rangers seems so weak this season), we will have a game for the 2nd spot in the last MD.

A possible scenario :
Unirea : draw vs Rangers, loss vs Sevilla : 5 points.
Stuttgart : loss vs Sevilla, win vs Rangers : 5 points.
Rangers : draws vs Unirea, loss vs Stuttgart : 2 points, out.

Last MD : Unirea qualified with a win, Suttgart qualified with a win.
0-0 : Stuttgart qualified, 2-2 or more : Unirea, 1-1 : GD, and Unirea just won 1-4 while Stuttgart lost 1-3

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 26-10-2009, 19:24	Yep, that's how I see things, only Stuttgart not winning in Glasgow. If Unirea draw Rangers and Rangers beat Stuttgart + Sevilla beat everybody, Unirea could pass with 5p!!

Author: aladdin
Date: 26-10-2009, 21:24

I'm not too good at prognosis but it costs me nothing to make one more :-), so here it goes...

My crystal ball says Unirea will draw vs. Sevilla (home game) and loose vs. Stuttgart (away game). It says nothing about the game vs. Rangers. (And only suggests that Sevilla will win both their home games.) In such a scenario, I guess the second spot in the group will still be up in the air -- even Rangers may grab it (with two wins: one against Unirea in Bucharest, one against Stuttgart in Glasgow).

While the second spot in the group for Unirea will be a God-sent gift for Romanian coefficient, I am much more inclined to believe that in the end Unirea will be on the third spot (and, if Petrescu will still be in Urziceni next Spring, may produce a couple more surprises later).

---

Otherwise, I don't see too much hope in EL for the Romanian teams:
- Timisoara is surely out (it will great if they can gather three points in the remaining games, but honestly any point will be a little miracle).
- Steaua is also out (Twente will beat Fener in thei direct game, and that should pretty much settle things in the group).
- Dinamo B., you should have guessed it by now, is out as well. Maybe a couple more points than Timisoara, but not much else.
- Cluj may qualify if they are REALLY lucky and stop throwing away good chances. However, at this moment, I'd give them less than 50% chances to see the European Spring.

---

Finally, another prediction: Kiev will end up in the 4th spot in their group.

So I guess, the Russians will keep the 6th spot in the end.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-10-2009, 12:17

"Steaua wont qualify because they wont win against Sheriff. they're waiting for a draw between Twente and Sheriff, wich is a normal result considering the qualities of both teams (Twente never scores more than 1 goal...). The problem is also that Fener will play loose MD5 in Holland."

Hmm Twente last 2 domestic league matches:
Twente-AZ 3-2
Twente-???(sorry, don't remember) 4-0

I would count on Twente to win at home against Sherriff and Fener at home against Steaua. and then? A draw in Twente might be interesting for both...

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 27-10-2009, 12:55	I was talking about Twente's european matches: 0-0 and 1-1 vs Sporting, 1-0 vs Fener, 0-0 vs Steaua, 0-2 vs Sheriff, 0-0 at Garabag (plus a 3-1 at home wich I didn't count, convenient for my post )

Author: executor
Date: 27-10-2009, 14:31

@moro

Twente won 2-1 in Istanbul. And saying "Team X doesn't score more than a goal, therefor it's weak", even though Ricardo just proved you wrong, it's a statement made by an amateur, who doesn't watch football. How many goals/game does Steaua score?

In this group I still say Steaua has good chances of qualifying. I just don't see Twente beating Fenerbahce twice. So it's all up to Steaua.

I also don't understand, moro, why you so horribly underestimate FC Copenhagen. They already beat Sparta and lost 0-1 to PSV, just like CFR. You base your analysis on the way the Danes played in Cluj, but they still looked better than CFR in Prague. Does this mean CFR is weak? In this group, apart from PSV, all teams look strong at home and weak away. I don't see how CFR can walk undefetead from Copenhagen... Especially after seeing how they played in Prague.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 27-10-2009, 14:43	Well, wait and see. You're the pro, I'm not...

Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-10-2009, 15:11

Don't be too harsh executor, we are all just stating opinions here. I keep being surprised as people here - and on forum2 - call Twente weak. But they are leading, and deserve, the Dutch league. The 2-0 defeat, which sounds terrible, but the 2nd fell in extra time when Twente was pushing all forwards.Fenerbahce is leading clearly in Turkish league Steaua isn't leading theirs so my expectations are lower for Steaua. Also I rate these leagues pretty much the same. Maybe one is sleightly better as the other, but opinions will differ and the differnece is not that great.

And so I expect Twente and Fenerbahce to pass, but I can be wrong, very wrong, as I also thought that Twente would snatch a win in Moldova and certainly not be defeated there. Maybe they can surprise us another time? If they manage to get some more points vs. Twente and(/or?) Steaua, they can get points maybe vs. an already qualified Fenerbahce and become second.. Wow that would be a MD: if by a draw in Bucarest Sheriff could get the 2nd spot by a win.....

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 27-10-2009, 16:37	{offtopic>Ricardo don't you know every opponent Steaua has in Euro Cups is very weak.{/offtopic>

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 27-10-2009, 16:55	I can only judge Twente after the game they played against Steaua. Steaua actually has the weakest team in last 10 years but they were all over Twente. Then I saw Twente lost against Sheriff. I dont know why is Twente leading in Holland because Ajax and PSV were much better (in the games I saw). bbi, sorry, I forgot Seaua allways has "groups of death".

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: executor Date: 27-10-2009, 18:09	In the same manner, I guess people also wonder how FC Timiєoara, a team that hasn't score in the last 6 international games and has no Euro win, is on top of L1...

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 27-10-2009, 21:07	@executor, Actualy yes. Apparently Domestic league and European matches are something completely different: You start to convince me: Timisoara and Twente will be eliminated. All that rest are the matches to be played...

Author: dinamo_fan
Date: 01-11-2009, 23:18

just judging by the way the teams played until now: CFR has slight chances to qualify while urziceni has about 50/50. the other 3 teams have 1% chances to qualify and maybe steaua 2% because they really play awful and a win would be a surprise for any of them..more than that would be a total miracle. i would be glad if cfr, dinamo and steaua get 2 more coeff pts and timisoara 1 more + 8 from urziceni if they qualify UCL last 16. another 2.5 country coeff would be more than enough for the football level we have presented.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: cinebelul Date: 03-11-2009, 23:26	Crucial MD for Romania. If they won't be able to do about 1.0 this MD (and next MD too), then this battle is so good as over for them. Winners at Cluj and Bucharest (Unirea) are a must this week

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 03-11-2009, 23:46	Rusians were close to make another shocker on away ground. Still the favorites for 6th. Rubin Dinamo could decide it.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 04-11-2009, 01:04	Yeah,Cska could have sealed the third place today and even with a chance to get second place if they won. Now Cska is fav to get third place,likely they only need a draw with the germans. As for second place they need to beat wolsfbug 2-0 and go win in turkey.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 04-11-2009, 10:27	i think cska is clearly the 3rd team of the group. far better than besiktas and a bit weaker than wolfsburg. still if they beat the germens, everything is possible.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 04-11-2009, 23:13	Second half performance by Dinamo was shameful. Playing this way in kazan and at home against Barcelona,bye bye eurocups.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 05-11-2009, 20:53	Timosoara and Dinamo are 99% out. Steaua will join them after 2 hours if a miracle doesn't happen. Only Cluj and Unirea may proceed, but that's not enoygh to catch up Russia. I suppose Rubin - Kiev will be a crucial match in this race.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 05-11-2009, 21:00	oh cmon..cant you see how well we play ??? we can score 5 goals / team in the last 2 matches and qualify with all 4 teams of the EL.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 05-11-2009, 23:20	this thread can be closed after Rubin Dinamo I think. That will decide the 6th spot.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 05-11-2009, 23:40 Edited by: Krys at: 05-11-2009, 23:41	Absolutely not. If Rubin wins - still there is Shaktar in EL If Dynamo wins - there's a gap. It is crucial bur that it's not the end.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: executor Date: 05-11-2009, 23:52	6-th spot race continues... but without Romania. Our EL teams failed us miserably. We might still get Urziceni and Steaua after winter break, but even if Steaua reaches the final and Unirea gets 1 win in CL last 16, the gap it's just too big. And the Russian teams will score points. Bye-bye nice thread, I had a great time, but there's nothing of interest here for me anymore...

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 06-11-2009, 03:39	Just miserable by the romanians clubs the group stage. 2 wins in 16 games?!!! Well it equals Russian clubs perfoermance in the qual round. Rom is out,so it is up to Dinamo/Shakhtar to keep this thread alive.

Author: SHEV
Date: 06-11-2009, 04:51

Shakhtar got more points then 4 Romanian teams altogether. That's something I couldn't expect. Shame Dynamo missed their big chance. But I wouldn't end battle even if Dynamo will finish 4-th. Gap is 1.800 now. 9 points. Let's say Russia will get 3-4 points until the break. Ukraine should get 4-5 even with Dynamo losing to Rubin. 8 points gap and Shakhtar vs CSKA and Rubin. Not impossible.

Other way if Dynamo win in Kazan it would mean something like 3-4 points gap and Dyanmo-Shakhtar vs CSKA. That would be fun.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 06-11-2009, 05:35	kleber, at least other Russian clubs defeated CL winners away and almost defeated runners-up away. And what did "other romanian clubs" do?

Author: hamlett
Date: 06-11-2009, 08:26

SHEV : I didn't expect Shaktiar to go this high, they can get 12 pts (I only expected 9). And, in Toulouse, they were really impressive (they could have easily scored 6 goals).

But still things seem pretty much linked to Rubin - Dinamo result.

CSKA can gather 3 pts, but probably won't get to last 16. Rubin can get 2 pts (win over Dinamo). Up to 41.6. In the meanwhile, Dinamo might score 1 and Shaktiar 4. Up to 39.95.

Let's say Russian teams could get 7 pts altogether (42.8), Shaktiar would need 15 pts, and be runner-up for the least. I don't believe too much in that. In EL, you might have Benfica, Everton, Bayern or Juventus, Liverpool, Ajax, PSV, Marseille. Not an easy task, winning four ko in a row (even if they did it last year, and Sevilla also won two consecutive seasons, I would bet on that).

On the other way, Dinamo in and Rubin out would result in at least 2 pt difference in GS games, then maybe 3-4 pts less in ko rounds for Rubin, and Shakhtiar + Dinamo would only need 10-11 pts.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Overgame Date: 06-11-2009, 09:40	Well, some of you seem to forget that Rubin AND Dyanmo can pass the groups. Barcelona isn't qualified yet, and I suspect Mourinho to park the bus vs Barcelona and hope for a draw in the other game. Inter isn't qualified yet too. MD5 will of course decide many things. The loser(s) of this MD are going to find very difficult to qualify, but not impossible.

Author: SHEV
Date: 06-11-2009, 12:01
Edited by: SHEV
at: 06-11-2009, 12:02

hamlett, I remember in 2004/2005 season when there was Russia vs Ukraine issue, Ukraine had 3 teams in the spring and Russia only one. Still ended 17-6 in favor of Russia. So it's not that crazy. Play off rounds are pretty unpredictable. Yeah Russia can collect some points, but also easily can end up with 1 or 2 points

Also 3 points for CSKA until the break is very optimistic I think. Surely if Dynamo will lose to Rubin it would be like 80/20 for Russia to save 6-th place, but not like 99/1

Author: JPV
Date: 06-11-2009, 12:10

BATTLE FOR PLACE 6-8

RUSSIA 40.791

CSKA Moscow (CL Group B, 3rd): 3 points less than 2nd place, but could still reach second, due to easier path than Wolfsburg
Rubin Kazan (CL Group F, 3rd): Group of death. Hopes of ending second or third are real.

Prediction: CSKA Moscow to CL-knock out, Rubin Kazan to EL-knock out

UKRAINE 38.950

Shakthar Donetsk (EL Group J, 1st): Qualified
Dynamo Kyiv (CL Group F, 4rd): Group of death. Might win the group, might as well fail completely. Has rather hard last 2 remaining games.

Prediction: Dynamo Kyiv eliminated, Shakthar to EL.

ROMANIA 38.158

Unirea Urziceni (CL Group G, 2nd): in pole position for CL-knockout, but has already had some easy games vs Rangers.
Steaua Bucuresti (EL Group H, 4rd): virtually eliminated
CFR Cluj (EL Group K, 4rd): almost eliminated
FC Timisoara (EL Group A, 3rd*): virtually eliminated
Dinamo Bucuresti (EL Group F, 3rd): virtually eliminated

* if Dinamo Zagreb keeps its punishment

Prediction: Unirea Urziceni to EL-knockout, 4 other teams eliminated.

RICARDO:
Russia: 10 points (6 teams) => 42.458
Ukraine: 14 points (5 teams) => 41.750
Romania: 14 points (6 teams) => 40.491

Conclusion: Romania failed, Ukraine still holds on, but difficult.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 24-11-2009, 21:44	Looks like Dinamo Kyiv is out of europe.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Ricardo Date: 24-11-2009, 23:52	I shouldn't say so. Inter likely to win from Rubin, as they can not afford to lose, while Barca can afford a draw or even a small defeat... That would mean Dynamo Kiev continues and Rubin not. In my sheets I now got Russia on 42.458 and Ukraine 24.350 counting on above to happen... with Dyn Kiev into 1/8F EL Shakthar 1/4F EL Rubin 4th CL-GS CSKA 1/8F CL

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 00:19	I think Rubin will finnish in third. If cska draws at least tomorow Cska and Rubin in the europa league.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 25-11-2009, 20:02	rusia looking good at the moment. let's see if cska can hold on.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 20:25 Edited by: kleber at: 25-11-2009, 20:26	Well cska won and unless besiktas wins in manchester cska european football next year. And they have a chance for second place,but man unt will put the reserve team in wolsburg. looks good for russia.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 20:26 Edited by: Krys at: 25-11-2009, 20:28	CSKA and Shaktar in play-off. Have to wait for the end of the group F. Above all for Dynamo - Barcelona. If Barca wins, I guess no chance for Ukraine.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 20:27	How are Besiktas playing? Do CSKA have a good chance to win at Turkey?

Author: Overgame
Date: 25-11-2009, 20:30

Well, the win of CSKA is almost killing Romanian's chances. The difference is like 2.8 points and 4 teams are almost out (they all need 2 wins and hope), and doesn't seem good enough this season to score some points.

Ukraine's chance are not different. Kiev missed the chance to kick Rubin out of Europe and now to win vs Barcelona (or draw and hope for a win of Inter) to continue in spring. If Kiev fails, everything is over for the 6th spot.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 20:45	Have some patience to stop talks about Romania until Thursday evening. Perhaps we may well exclude Romania from this race tomorrow.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 25-11-2009, 21:06	ha. Romania is out from at least last matchday. if not 2 matchdays. CSKA didn't change anything in this respect. I say CSKA has good chances for continuing in CL and that means a good bonus. Barca is the one that can end all calculations and I think they will try to win the group.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: executor Date: 25-11-2009, 21:28	@Krys EL is played next week. But I agree with bbi, we left this race long ago.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 21:37	Besiktas winning by now,so race still open.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 21:39	Sorry, didn't know abou EL.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 21:40	@bbi they can win a grou with a draw cause Rubin win at Milan seems unreal to everyone.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: bbi Date: 25-11-2009, 21:52	ah right. I didn't knew the exact points I thought Inter could still catch them. Still it would be pretty dangerous to play for a draw. A long distance shot could come at any point and have inter on 1st. maybe they won't risk injury and stuff but I don't think they'll go with a Man U stile squad either

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Krys Date: 25-11-2009, 22:37	I was too early about CSKA. Nothing is decided yet

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 22:48 Edited by: kleber at: 25-11-2009, 23:08	Besiktas winning at manchester. Well bad for cska regarding europa league chances but good for second place option. Will man unt risk to lose the first place in the group playing with a b squad in germany?

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 23:10	In the end of the day Rubin and cska can end in 2,3 or 4 place in the groups. the race goes on.................

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: moro Date: 25-11-2009, 23:11	Sounds pretty desperate, but if both russians will lose next round + if Unirea wins in Stuttgart (I'm "all in") + romanian teams making 8 points in last two EL rounds (even without a single EL qualification), we could be back in the battle.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 25-11-2009, 23:49	It is realy open no doubt.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: Lusankya Date: 26-11-2009, 08:51	It was somehow arrogant of Manchester, only using their B-squad when they haven't secured 1st place yet.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: cinebelul Date: 26-11-2009, 19:27	@moro you forgot one condition: Kiev and Shakhtar should be eliminated in EL so early as possible. but this is unlikely to happen, they are rather favourites to go very far in spring

Author: ssrree
Date: 27-11-2009, 03:20

After 5th MD in CL,and before 5th MD in EL situation is:

6.Russia 41.291
7.Ukraine 39.150
8.Romania 38.491

In the 5th MD in EL we have matches:

Timisoara-Ajax
Dinamo B.-Sturm
Sheriff-Steaua
Kobenhavn-Cluj
Shakhtar-Brugge

I would say 2 more points for Ukraine and 4 more points for Romania.So,situation before 6th MD will probably be:

6.Russia 41.291
7.Ukraine 39.550
8.Romania 39.158

Russia will still have a nice advantage,about 2 points more then Ukraine and Romania.If bouth russian clubs pass CL group, race for 6th spot will be over,because with bonus points Russia will have more than 44.000 points and two clubs still in the game.I think 44.000 is unposiblle mision for Romania,and very defecult for Ukraine too.Shakhtar and Dinamo K. needs together about 12 victories more to pass 44.000 points without bonus points.

Author: moro
Date: 28-11-2009, 10:43

@cinebelul
I was out of this topic few weeks ago because I thought Romania was out of the race. We're still 80% out, but who knows, we still have some chances. In fact the Besiktas win in Manchester changed the battle because now Russia, in theory, could remain blocked.
We need two gifts: a draw or a win in Stuttgart + a little miracle for one of the 3 teams still in the EL battle (order of miracle "possibility": Steaua, Dinamo, CFR).
Then I'll check Ukraine. And I'll ask permission to draw Shakhtar against Liv'pool or Bayern.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 02-12-2009, 23:03 Edited by: kleber at: 02-12-2009, 23:04	Timisoara and steaua eliminated..... Cluj and Unirea to win the europa league and cl?

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: dinamo_fan Date: 02-12-2009, 23:23	cfr wins the europa league and urziceni the UCL.. and that wont simply compensate the amount of brainless idiocy of the romanian football. i hope romania -> 1 team in europe: unirea urziceni. the other should try find another competition..maybe one intended for persons with disabilities so they start on same level.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: hamlett Date: 03-12-2009, 08:34	Cluj needs two wins to be qualified.

Re: 6-th spot race continues
Author: kleber Date: 03-12-2009, 23:35	Shakhtar draw,bad for ukraine. Dinamo still fights for qual but they need to score 2 goals in greece. Cluj out.