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UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: Nick Date: 17-06-2009, 06:40	Bulgarian site Sport1.bg writes today that according to romanian newspaper Prosport there is a chance that UEFA will ban all romanian teams from Europe due to false licensing. I guess it's a fake or just a wrong translation, but can some romanian friends give more details if there is something like that in reality?

Author: blue_shark
Date: 17-06-2009, 07:18

uefa did a secret double check on the licensing of romanian clubs and, as it turns out, 6 top clubs weren't supposed to get a license for the 2008-2009 championship. it appears the romanian federation will loose it's licensing authorization and future licenses will be issued diretly by uefa. for the moment frf has been given a fee. the papers talk about a possible dropout of the continental qualified teams, but i doubt it.

i hope i was clear, if not please proceed with the questions.

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: zax Date: 17-06-2009, 10:03 Edited by: zax at: 17-06-2009, 10:07	I don't understand how romanian teams could have problems with the license while everyone knows spanish and english team have debts of hundreds of milions of euros and nothing happens to them. Manchester Utd alone has over 650 mil euros debt ! http://www.joinmust.org/thefacts/theirdebt.php

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: badgerboy Date: 17-06-2009, 10:58	For the moment at least the English clubs don't have the sorts of debt that are subject to licensing - which I believe are limited to paying taxes etc. on time. It might also be players/ staff wages & transfer fees now but I'd have to look that up & can't be arsed right now.

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: bert.kassies Date: 17-06-2009, 10:58	Just for curiosity see below for some links. The Google translation is not easy to understand and the status of the news is unknown to me. prosport, prosport2, cotidianul

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: badgerboy Date: 17-06-2009, 12:36	cska wrote: "So, BFU really lost licensing authority. This year they really shut their eyes for everybody and issued licenses to all clubs - even to those with tax and social security debts". So - if this is true - the BFU are currently on their knees praying that they don't come up for any kind of UEFA audit any time soon or they could be in the same trouble as their neighbours.

Author: moro
Date: 17-06-2009, 15:56

Nick wrote: "there is a chance that UEFA will ban all romanian teams from Europe due to false licensing."

From what I saw in Uefa rules, this is not true: the spot of a punished team will be given to the next ranked, if that team has a licence for european cups. This time only top 6 was investigated and all teams had problems. In the worst scenario, with all 6 teams suspended, then Vaslui should take the CL direct spot, then Brasov the CLqr one. If they're clean

wich is possible, especially for Brasov.

Author: moro
Date: 17-06-2009, 16:00

Zax wrote an intelligent thing for once: "I don't understand how romanian teams could have problems with the license while everyone knows spanish and english team have debts of hundreds of milions of euros and nothing happens to them. Manchester Utd alone has over 650 mil euros debt!"
This means Zax went to school this year, but nobody cares, he has many many years of school to accomplish, then needs to go to the common sense college. We'll talk more about Zax in 2016.

In fact Zaxy boy those debts are legals, the guys went to the bank, asked for money, with legal papers. And a bank will never give you money if you dont have a house, a dog, a wife, something to give them if you fail to pay debts.

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: Tirion Date: 17-06-2009, 16:18	"And a bank will never give you money if you dont have a house, a dog, a wife, something to give them if you fail to pay debts." If that were true we wouldn't be in such a big financial crisis right now.

Author: moro
Date: 17-06-2009, 16:39

They estimated the houses prices, but the prices are lower now (in theory). Well, this only works in USA, because frankly I dont see any difference in my french town. The share prices of banks rose a lot last month, so they're not in trouble as they said they were. Main french banks ended T1 with + billions or at zero. Many american banks want to pay back the billions they borrowed from gouvernement earlier then predicted.
This is maybe the result of that money machine working 24h/24 (didn't you observed that each paper coming out from the cash mashine is brand new?). I expect a big inflation in few years. Of course, I'm everything but an economist

Author: digit
Date: 17-06-2009, 20:00

In this moment only for sure the Romanian Fotball Association (FRF) was punished with 200,000 euros fee for serious problems with his licensing duties regarding teams involved into european cups.
Excrepts from prosport website:
"Department of the UEFA Club Licensing has prepared an audit of compliance on 11 March 2009, which concluded that the FRF has implemented Regulation UEFA club licensing (RULC) in terms of financial criteria, with subdivisions: financial, lack outstanding financial commitments, written statements and budgets for the clubs said."
Mr. Kemal Kapulluoglu sent a report asking UEFA to amend the Romanian Football Federation to the sum of 200,000 euros as a licensed club CFR Cluj, FC Dinamo, FC Timisoara, FC Rapid, FC Steaua and AFC Unirea Urziceni, although not fulfilled all requirements for participation in European competitions in the last year.
BUT On the other hand, the report stated that the main subject of his investigation was the work carried out by FRF, not the clubs, so that there is jurisdiction to impose sanctions in respect of the six groups audited.
"According to art. 5, paragraph 2 of RULC, and Disciplinary Body Control holds also the power to punish clubs who have breached the UEFA club licensing (Article 56 of RULC). It should be stressed however that, as clubs involved have not made the subject of investigation by UEFA, in which case only entity FRF was investigated. In these circumstances, the aforementioned clubs are not covered by these disciplinary measures" it is writed in the above report.

Author: cska
Date: 18-06-2009, 09:09

And a bank will never give you money if you dont have a house, a dog, a wife, something to give them if you fail to pay debts.
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Moro

The idea that "a wife" is "something to give the bank..." is intriguing...

Badger

BFU are really in big sh** right now. If UEFA perform an audit, there will be big problems for BFU. I support the decision of last year that CSKA should have been deprived from license. However, the criteria should be equally aplicable to all clubs, which is not true at present.

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: moro Date: 18-06-2009, 09:34	CSKA, the ideea is to show them the wife as a guarantee, not to give her. This way some will get hundreds of thousands, others only hundreds...

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: badgerboy Date: 18-06-2009, 10:57	Dare I ask what sort of loan you'd get with Mrs Moro as collateral

Re: UEFA to ban romanian teams?
Author: moro Date: 18-06-2009, 11:17	Less than without me for sure.

Author: Nick
Date: 18-06-2009, 11:37
Edited by: Nick
at: 18-06-2009, 11:39

Thanks to all romanian friends for the swift response. It's really weird. CSKA is right that at least 2 bulgarian A Grupa teams shouldn't have been licensed this year and the scandal with Botev is really HUGE because all their bank accounts are frozen by the Revenue agency and they are being sued by the state for huge sums of outstanding taxed. Almoist all Botev players will visit the Arbitrage next week because of outstanding salary payments (2 or more months according to BFU regulations!)...but somehow they still got licensed.