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| New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 19-03-2009, 10:07 | I just got pointed to the Chelsea site (by Sam - thanks!)where it is stated that the Non-Champions qualification round(s) are done with an open draw. Can anyone confirm that no seeding will be used? Check the article here |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bbi
Date: 19-03-2009, 10:48 | cool |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 19-03-2009, 10:56 | I see that the new regulations are due to be approved by the Executive Committee next week. Does anyone recall how quickly UEFA tend to publish them to the site after this is done? This seems like another reason to view their release with a certain level of anticipation... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: playtony
Date: 19-03-2009, 10:59 | Ricardo, on which position in this article did you found that there is not going to be any seeding? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Joshuacht
Date: 19-03-2009, 11:11 | @ Playtony England's fourth team will go into a free draw for a play-off round in August with the fourth-placed sides from Spain and Italy, the third-placed sides from France and Germany, plus clubs who have made it through an earlier qualification round, feed by the leagues ranked 6th to 15th by Uefa (currently Russia, Romania, Portugal, Netherlands, Scotland, Turkey, Ukraine, Belgium, Greece and Czech Republic). |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: playtony
Date: 19-03-2009, 11:16 | Thanks Joshuacht. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Lusankya
Date: 19-03-2009, 12:01 | Is there a free draw in the CLQ for Champions? And why only in this stage, any reason for that? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 19-03-2009, 13:12 | I wouldn't count our chickens yet. The Chelsea site might have got it's facts slightly wrong. I'd wait for the actual regulations... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 19-03-2009, 15:50 | it won't be the first mistake by the English. They are great at footbal (currently) but often only know half of the regulations |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: panda
Date: 19-03-2009, 18:18 | Do we know from past experience roughly when the full regulations are issued? If there is no seeding in that draw then that actually changes the potential CL groups dynamic quite a bit, as the top 3 countries are used now to having 4 qualifiers in the GS. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: amirbachar
Date: 19-03-2009, 19:31 | It doesn't seem very likely to me. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 19-03-2009, 20:02 | As far as I know the new regulations will be approved by the Executive Committee next week, and subsequently rubberstamped by the UEFA Congress. In the past it could take several months before the regulations were published. But during the last years, as far as I remember, the regulations were available long before the start of the next season. And due to the many changes I expect it will not take long this time. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 20-03-2009, 08:24 | taken from uefa.com * Executive commitee meeting: Copenhagen, Denmark, monday 23-04 & tuesday 24-04. "No press conference after that" * UEFA XXXIIIrd ordinary congress: wednesday 25th from 10:00 to 18:00 CET, press conference at 18:15 CET |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 24-03-2009, 18:34 | From UEFA Executive Committee decisions from Copenhagen meeting: "The Executive Committee also approved new regulations for the forthcoming season for many of its club competitions including; the UEFA Champions League 2009/10, the UEFA Europa League 2009/10, the UEFA Super Cup 2009, the UEFA Women’s Champions League 2009/10 (updated due to the change of competition name and format by the UEFA Executive Committee at its meetings of 17 October and 11/12 December 2008) and the UEFA Futsal Cup 2009/10." |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: sari_laci
Date: 24-03-2009, 19:19 | @bert and what are the new details? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 24-03-2009, 19:49 | Yes, that's what I would like to know also. But I suppose the first opportunity will be the press conference tomorrow after the UEFA Congress meeting. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: sari_laci
Date: 25-03-2009, 17:07 | @bert I hope so |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 25-03-2009, 17:36 | Will the conference be shown live on the web or any TV channel? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: sari_laci
Date: 25-03-2009, 21:54 | hmm nothing,There is no news, (after the press conference) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: 2mas.NO
Date: 27-03-2009, 15:26 | The new club competition regulations will not be made public before by the end of April. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 27-03-2009, 15:26 | Upon request UEFA Media Services said that the club competition regulations (new calculation system included) for the next season 2009/10 have been approved this week by the UEFA Exceutive Committee in Copenhagen, but they will be made public by the end of April. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: 2mas.NO
Date: 27-03-2009, 15:27 | I guess they answered us almost at the same time, Bert. :-) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 27-03-2009, 19:27 Edited by: Wak at: 27-03-2009, 20:45 | We just can't wait those new regulations! How the draws will be prepared, what will be the financial changes... It is possible to contact, or shorter, to break & enter into a UEFA leader's house, so that we could know by the shortest time what is the text they've voted? UEFA has few links with politics, but the way it is done reminds me of the pages of history books which talk about democracy in USSR. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Olympiakos
Date: 28-03-2009, 05:57 | lol why don't you take it easy?  I'm sure you agree you can do lots of things in the meantime. It's not about the end of the world! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: sari_laci
Date: 28-03-2009, 19:58 | I think that the uefa are afraid of protest, therefore they don't publish the new calculation system (cause I think the new system will be very unfairly) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-03-2009, 13:41 | Protest? LOL! Who the hell is going to protest about a coefficient system. Come on! It was already discussed by the club forum & various UEFA bodies - voted on & agreed. And - much as I love this place - the vast majority of fans outside this forum probably wont even bother reading an article with the word coefficient in the title - let alone get worked up enough about it to "protest". UEFA always take ages to publish things like regulations. April is pretty good for them - not a delay to prevent potential street riots! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 30-03-2009, 23:32 | Ha, badgerboy, you're right. In France they don't say "coefficient UEFA" but "indice UEFA" (=UEFA index) which probably looks more simple. When I tried to rally people on a football fans' forum about follies in next season's calendar for French clubs, they were kind to me, agreed, but you really feel that somehow you can't change anything if there's something wrong, bar if you get your voice heard in the media. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: sari_laci
Date: 31-03-2009, 11:56 | badger I don't speak of street riots, I'am only saying that the new regulation/coefience stystem is unfair esepecially for the small countries, this is my opinion |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: scapulaire24
Date: 31-03-2009, 15:46 | "I'am only saying that the new regulation/coefience stystem is unfair esepecially for the small countries, this is my opinion" That's not mine. Before: country-ranking count for 33% in team-ranking Now: country-ranking count for 20% in team-ranking Before: team out in Qualification round win 0 point Now: team out in Qualification round win 0.25 0.5 or 1 point I think best team of small countries will progress in ranking. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 31-03-2009, 18:47 | I thought that some of the forumers here made simulations of next season's coefficient, and found out that rather than being really favourable or not to some leagues, the new coefficients will somehow tighten differences, make them stronger, between leagues. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 31-03-2009, 22:04 | ANother advantage to the smaller leagues (not smallest) is that Q3 drop-outs go to EL Q4. The top clubs of these countries are often too small for the CL and so get eliminated too sooon, while in EL they can go further! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Cirdan
Date: 01-04-2009, 10:42 | In the country ranking, the differences get bigger because small nations do not get more points than bigger nations for playing qualifying rounds (Denmark got almost 4 coef points just in qualifying rounds this season, for the top 6 nations, the maximum is ca 0.5 pts). Also, the IT Cup team is now an UEFA Cup team for smaller nations, so one good result has lesser effect. But is this really bad? Take Romania as an example, was it really such a good idea that they almost got 3 CL teams based on nothing but 2 UEFA Cup quarters? Like mentioned, there are also a lot of advantages now. Small teams get team points in qualifying, so seeding in early rounds will be based on team strength, not country strength, the IT Cup team gets directly into the UEFA Cup, earlier relegation from CL qualification to EL qualification results in more chances for big teams from small nations and of course and probably most importantly, more Champions in the Champions League. I really think for nations lower than #15 in the rankings, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: 2mas.NO
Date: 26-04-2009, 11:21 | Anyone heard anything? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Judio1999
Date: 26-04-2009, 13:48 | “In fourth it's an open draw. You can take in Valencia, anybody, so it might be very difficult for us. Quote from Arsene Wenger yesterday |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: amirbachar
Date: 27-04-2009, 00:00 Edited by: amirbachar at: 27-04-2009, 00:11 | I can't see any reason not to seed teams. Even if the seeding is "wrong" (good teams are unseeded), it is still at least as good as random open draw. (Unless UEFA want to give better chance to smaller teams, but I don't think they want Arsenal-Lyon or Arsenal-Seville already in the qualifing...) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: spoonman
Date: 27-04-2009, 10:58 Edited by: spoonman at: 27-04-2009, 11:20 | @amirbachar: That's exactly what I think, too. I can't see any sensible reason for abolishing the seeding. They've separated the champions from the non-champions (which I think is a good thing in principle) but then they should be interested in having the best teams qualify on both routes, instead of having them clash just before the group phase. There's only one explanation that I can think of: QR4 is now a part of the centralised TV rights package. And UEFA might want to create more "attractive" fixtures to suit the needs of international TV channels. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-04-2009, 12:36 | @spoonman, at the cost of having less attractive GS matches? I think they are already in trouble by losing 5 good candidates in this round, they better make sure they won't lose half of the top-5! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-04-2009, 13:19 | I don't know how well they follow the coefficients and placements for this NonChampions play off, but currently Valencia is 6th in ranking  We have Arsenal, Bayern, Lyon, Sporting, Shakthar, Valencia, Rangers, Fiorentina, Besiktas and Sparta Praha. Where Sparta Praha could still easilt be changed into Ajax or Panathinaikos, to get a complete fantastic group to have a play-off in (sorry for the fans) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: SHEV
Date: 27-04-2009, 15:16 Edited by: SHEV at: 27-04-2009, 15:17 | It looks like going to an open draw. That's very sad considering UEFA's "hot'n'cold balls" draw strategy |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-04-2009, 16:13 | implicating.....???? Will top 5 teams not be set to meet eachother? This draw will be a hard one to avoid diffficult opponents for the top 5. avoiding them to meet eachother might not be the best option...... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 27-04-2009, 16:24 | Some questions: 1) is there any proof for the quote of Arsene Wenger ("In fourth it's an open draw. You can take in Valencia, anybody, so it might be very difficult for us") 2) who can confirm other statements on seeding in the 4th qualifying round? (SHEV?) 3) does it concern only the non-champions group or also the champions group? 4) does it concern only the Champions League or also the Europa league? I still don't see the rationale if it is for commercial reasons. Attractive matches in the 4th qualifying round will potentially harm the need for attractive matches in the group phase. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 27-04-2009, 16:32 Edited by: bert.kassies at: 27-04-2009, 16:37 | OK, I should have looked better myself. The answer on question 1 can be found in this telegraph.co.uk article of April 26. And in this newspostonline.com article it is even more clear: "Our first target is to get even further away from Aston Villa. But then we want to get as close as possible to Chelsea and Liverpool. Third place is very important this time because it means automatic qualification for the Champions League next season. If you finish fourth you go into the qualifying round and this time it will be an open draw, which means you can get anyone. Third place can make a massive difference." But the question remains: Is Arsene Wenger the only source? |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: amirbachar
Date: 27-04-2009, 16:54 | Maybe he just mean that they can meet good opponents and not that it will really be an open draw (obviously it won't, because they can't meet all the champions...) |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 27-04-2009, 18:07 | I was thinking the same: Arsène may have said that just to stress the change next season, even if he'd be wrong. Like those who say that away goals are double and forget to say it's just in the case of a tie on aggregate. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Judio1999
Date: 27-04-2009, 18:08 | On the Arsenal website, Wenger used a Spanish club as a specific example. If it was seeded, Arsenal and Valencia could not meet each other |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 27-04-2009, 18:29 | Judio1999 First that's not strictly true. Not all Spanish clubs are seeded (it's done by individual team ranking - not country ranking). I think someone suggested above that - in theory at least - it's possible that Valencia wouldn't in fact be seeded. Indeed - Arsenal (or any of the other English top four), Bayern/Hamburg/Schalke, Lyon, any of the Portuguese top 3 and Shakhtar are all seeded higher than Valencia - as are Roma (though hopefully their qualification is a long shot). Second. I wonder if Arsene himself has seen the regulations or is just going on the fact that the qualifying section is going to be "much more difficult" than in the past. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Judio1999
Date: 28-04-2009, 15:30 | I understand what you are saying. It is strange to see Valencia as only ranked 26th after their strong performances In Europe in the last 10 Years !!! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: mauro77
Date: 28-04-2009, 15:41 | Why strange??? Valencia has not qualified for EC last year.. The others have... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Friesland
Date: 28-04-2009, 16:33 | Quote bert.kassies: "Upon request UEFA Media Services said that the club competition regulations (new calculation system included) for the next season 2009/10 have been approved this week by the UEFA Exceutive Committee in Copenhagen, but they will be made public by the end of April." Only two and a half days in April remain, still no rules to be found on uefa.com.  |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-04-2009, 16:47 | The number of times I'm checking in at the UEFA site as the 30 April draws closer is showing my obsessive compulsive tendencies. Pathetic really as I know it will only be about 3.5 seconds after publication before someone is talking about it here anyway! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-04-2009, 17:14 | @badgerboy, That's why I don't bother. Bert has(had?) a way to read all the news items even before they wer published, so I am counting on that any news will be published here as soon as it is there or before...... Fase 2 will be understanding what is written. I fear things could still be seen different. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: bert.kassies
Date: 28-04-2009, 18:42 | Mmm, uefa.com have apparently improved the security of the website In the past some web articles were readable (presumably intended for internal reading) before the link was published. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-04-2009, 17:03 | Perhaps it's getting closer. The regulations for the 2009/10 UEFA Women's Champions League are now online. These were agreed at the same meeting as the ones we are really waiting for... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: executor
Date: 29-04-2009, 17:39 | UEFA seems to enjoy stalling time. They said "by the end of April", looks like they'll put them 1 minute before the month ends  |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: executor
Date: 30-04-2009, 23:02 | Well, it's May 1st in my time zone I'd really like to stay and see if they'll publish them in the next hour, but I'm too sleepy. I'll leave it for the morning. Got to love UEFA... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 01-05-2009, 13:13 | May the 1st is not a holiday in the Vaud Canton, where are UEFA Headquarters (Nyon). Keep your fingers crossed! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 01-05-2009, 17:29 | I think it's about time someone with a bit of sway with UEFA (Bert?) told them to get a move on... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 01-05-2009, 18:04 | Now they will have to publish the results of the fair-play competition. I don't know how many days it takes to count every criteria of one match, last year they published it on May 9th. They may publish both, FP tables and EL regulations the same day. But with about 40 cup finals to be played this May, it becomes urgent to spread the news! |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: 2mas.NO
Date: 01-05-2009, 18:13 Edited by: 2mas.NO at: 01-05-2009, 18:13 | My gut feeling says we'll have to wait until Wednesday before either is published. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 01-05-2009, 18:31 | I assume once they have been agreed they can't be "fiddled with". If I wasn't such a trusting soul I might think they were waiting to see what Arsenal do before they publish the exact wording of the TH paragraph. Perhaps UEFA doesn't fancy 4 English teams direct to the group stage... |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: pit
Date: 01-05-2009, 19:43 | There should be some official information concerning CL and EL 2009/10 competition, sent out end of April to the FAs. BG Football Union published yesterday afternoon on its web site UEFA announced European Competitions' dates. It is announced which BG team enters when and in what round. As this information was available on the uefa.com for a long time, I assume it was official UEFA letter concerning access list, round dates and perhaps regulations?! So if someone has a good contact to some FA, we might have a chance to find the so long expected regulations before UEFA finally succeed to publish the documents. |
| Re: New regulations season 09/10 | |
| Author: Wak
Date: 01-05-2009, 23:09 Edited by: Wak at: 01-05-2009, 23:32 | The best would be a swiss guy on this Forum who could speed up his car until Nyon ! Personally I am in 20 minutes time in one of the french regional leagues headquarters. They won't tell me the rules voted in Copenhagen in March, that is for sure, but I if say that I seek them, I could still have some contact to the FFF Headquarters in Paris — they are on the web too. |