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Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 28-09-2008, 01:08

I was interested to see who will benefit and who will be harmed by the changes in calculating club coefficients from next season. The only changes I took into consideration was the switch from 33% to 20% of national coefficient, because it's very unlikely that any other retroactive changes will be made for Team ranking 2009.

I compared the positions of clubs in old Team ranking 2009 and new Team ranking 2009. I discovered that the biggest winners from these changes are - Dinamo Zagreb.

They would overtake 19 clubs in the table + all clubs from Spain, Italy and Germany who hadn't collected any points in the last 5 years.

The biggest losers are three German clubs - Mainz, Wolfsburg and Bochum who lost 17 and 16 places respectively.

In the next post I will copy the full table.

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Olympiakos Date: 28-09-2008, 01:13	Hey mate, can you make a rough calculation for Olympiakos? We are currently at 38th position but next year we are loosing 16.000 points

Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 28-09-2008, 01:16
Edited by: Cro_nogomet
at: 28-09-2008, 01:19

The numbers represent how many places a team has gone up or down in the team ranking 2009 table.

Dinamo Zagreb 19
Petrzalka Bratislava 16
Ferencváros 15
Partizan Belgrade 14
Red Star Belgrade 14
SK Brann Bergen 13
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 13
Wisla Kraków 13
Hapoel Tel-Aviv 12
Helsingborg IF 12
IF Elfsborg 11
Austria Wien 10
Slavia Praha 9
FC København 9
Maccabi Haifa 9
AaB Aalborg 9
CSKA Sofia 9
Slovan Liberec 9
Grazer AK 9
Anorthosis Famagusta 9
Amica Wronki 9
Sparta Praha 8
OB Odense 8
Zulte Waregem 8
Brøndby IF 8
Besiktas 7
Anderlecht 7
Rosenborg BK 7
Levski Sofia 7
Celtic 6
Club Brugge 6
Galatasaray 6
Litex Lovech 6
FC Basel 5
FC Zürich 5
Panionios 5
Mladá Boleslav 5
PAOK Thessaloniki 5
Egaleo Athens 5
Viking Stavanger 5
Tromsø IL 5
Rapid Wien 5
Glasgow Rangers 4
Shakhtar Donetsk 4
Panathinaikos 4
Olympique Marseille 4
AEK Athens 4
Stade Rennais 4
FC Thun 4
Dinamo Tbilisi 4
Fenerbahçe 3
Rapid Bucuresti 3
Girondins Bordeaux 3
Heerenveen 3
Lokomotiv Moscow 3
Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 3
AS Nancy Lorraine 3
Grasshoppers Zürich 3
Aris Thessaloniki 3
Standard Liège 3
Lokomotiv Sofia 3
Baník Ostrava 3
Kalmar FF 3
Djurgårdens IF 3
Hammarby IF 3
Malmö FF 3
Halmstads BK 3
NK Domzale 3
PSV Eindhoven 2
Olympiakos Piraeus 2
Dinamo Kiev 2
Feyenoord 2
Aberdeen 2
Hearts FC 2
SK Beveren 2
FC Salzburg 2
AC Milan 1
Olympique Lyon 1
Sporting CP Lisbon 1
CSKA Moscow 1
Steaua Bucuresti 1
AJ Auxerre 1
AS Monaco 1
Sporting Braga 1
Lazio Roma 1
Dinamo Bucuresti 1
Maccabi Petah-Tikva 1
BATE Borisov 1
-----------------------------------------
Liverpool 0
Chelsea 0
Sevilla 0
Arsenal 0
Manchester United 0
Bayern München 0
Werder Bremen 0
Villarreal 0
AS Roma 0
AZ Alkmaar 0
Benfica 0
Zenit St. Petersburg 0
FC Porto 0
Bayer Leverkusen 0
Ajax 0
AC Parma 0
Fiorentina 0
1.FC Nürnberg 0
Eintracht Frankfurt 0
Racing Genk 0
Derry City 0
Shelbourne 0
FK Ventspils 0
Nova Gorica 0
NK Maribor 0
FH Hafnarfjardar 0
Rabotnicki Skopje 0
------------------------------------
FC Barcelona -1
Internazionale -1
Schalke 04 -1
Juventus -1
Espanyol -1
VfB Stuttgart -1
Palermo -1
Spartak Moscow -1
Alemannia Aachen -1
Trabzonspor -1
AE Larissa -1
Iraklis Thessaloniki -1
AIK Stockholm -1
Ethnikos Achna -1
MSK Zilina -1
SCP Ruzomberok -1
Legia Warsaw -1
Groclin Grodzisk -1
Tampere United -1
MyPa-47 -1
Real Madrid -2
Lille OSC -2
Hamburger SV -2
Paris Saint-Germain -2
RC Lens -2
RC Strasbourg -2
FC Sochaux-Montbéliard -2
Germinal Beerschot -2
Everton -3
Udinese -3
Vitória Setúbal -3
Xanthi FC -3
Newcastle United -4
Valencia -4
Bolton Wanderers -4
Osasuna -4
FC Sion -4
Young Boys -4
Norway -4
Tottenham Hotspur -5
Middlesbrough -5
Sampdoria -5
Livorno -5
NEC Nijmegen -5
FC Twente Enschede -5
FC Utrecht -5
Getafe -6
Hertha BSC -6
Racing Santander -6
CFR Cluj -6
Hibernian -6
Vålerengen IF -6
Molde FK -6
Bodø/Glimt -6
Maritimo Funchal -7
União de Leiria -7
Metalurg Donetsk -7
FK Teplice -7
Atlético Madrid -8
Real Zaragoza -8
Blackburn Rovers -8
Celta de Vigo -8
Real Betis -8
Napoli -8
Empoli -8
Chievo Verona -8
FC Groningen -8
Metalist Kharkiv -8
Metalurg Zaporizhia -8
Kayserispor -8
Gençlerbirligi -8
Athletic Bilbao -9
Millwall FC -9
Toulouse FC -9
Vitória Guimarães -9
Deportivo La Coruña -10
Manchester City -10
Aston Villa -10
Portsmouth FC -10
Paços de Ferreira -10
Terek Grozny -11
Krylia Sovetov Samara -13
FC Vaslui -13
Unirea Urziceni -13
AS Saint-Étienne -14
VfL Wolfsburg -16
VfL Bochum -16
FSV Mainz 05 -17

Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 28-09-2008, 01:30
Edited by: Cro_nogomet
at: 28-09-2008, 01:40

Italian, German and French clubs who did not collect a single point in the last 5 years are biggest losers from these changes. They are overcome by 23 and 20 clubs respectively. It's interesting to see that England is not so affected - only 8 clubs will overcome English teams with no individual points, while Cypriot clubs will lose 10 positions!

Italy -23
Germany -20
France -20
Russia -15
Romania -14
Spain -12
Belgium -11
Denmark -10
Cyprus -10
Ukraine -9
England -8
Greece -8
Slovakia -8
Turkey -7
Austria -5
Serbia -5
Sweden -5
Norway -4
Scotland -3
Switzerland -3
Czech Republic -3
Bulgaria -2
Israel -2
Finland -2
Croatia -1
Poland -1
Lithuania -1
Ireland -1
Latvia -1
Slovenia -1
Bosnia-Herzegovina -1
Hungary 0
Belarus 0
Georgia 0
Iceland 0
Moldova 0
Liechtenstein 0
Macedonia 0
Azerbaijan 0
Estonia 0
Albania 0
Kazakhstan 0
Armenia 0
Wales 0
Northern Ireland 0
Faroe Islands 0
Luxembourg 0
Montenegro 0
Andorra 0
Malta 0
San Marino 0

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Olympiakos Date: 28-09-2008, 01:34	What's strange with Cypriot clubs??

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 28-09-2008, 01:39	What's strange with Cypriot clubs?? If I had asked you who will be more affected by these changes - English or Cypriot clubs - how many of you would say Cyprus?

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Olympiakos Date: 28-09-2008, 01:47 Edited by: Olympiakos at: 28-09-2008, 01:49	Mate, I have no idea how the new calculations will affect the countries, so I guess you find strange the fact the low ranked Cypriot teams will fall another 10 places?

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 28-09-2008, 01:57	Exactly.

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: wisla_krakow_fun Date: 28-09-2008, 16:24	I think the new calculation is very good. PS : In this ranking is Amica Wronki - this club not exist ... now it's Lech Poznañ ...

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Lusankya Date: 28-09-2008, 18:35	"The biggest losers are three German clubs - Mainz, Wolfsburg and Bochum who lost 17 and 16 places respectively." It's very unlikely that Mainz and Bochum will participate in Europe again. And Wolfsburg just startet to collect their own points. Well, could be all over next week though.

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: amirbachar Date: 28-09-2008, 19:48 Edited by: amirbachar at: 28-09-2008, 19:50	The rankings themselves mean nothing. You should look at the seeding barriers in each round instead.

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 29-09-2008, 01:30	The rankings themselves mean nothing. Not true. For example, if you are in Top 16 of team ranking then you're 100% sure that you'll be in the first or second pot of CL, no matter what. You don't have to worry about seeding thresholds.

Re: Effects of coefficient changes on team ranking
Author: amirbachar Date: 29-09-2008, 17:25	Of course, but there is also a different number of seeded teams in each round.