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Author: SunnyD
Date: 01-08-2008, 04:04
| Does anybody know what the tiebreaker system is for countries that have the same coefficient?
Northern Ireland and the Faroe Islands both are finished for this season with coefficients of 2.165, in 47th and 48th position. The champion of country 48 plays in Q0 while the champion of country 47 goes through to Q1. How is it decided which of these countries is which? Does it depend on most recent results, coin flip, or what? |
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Author: executor
Date: 01-08-2008, 07:38
| Tie-braker is "higher coefficient is the most recent season". However, since both countries have the same no of points this year, I guess Northern Ireland takes 47th spot because of higher coefficient in 07/08. |
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Author: SunnyD
Date: 01-08-2008, 08:55
| Thanks! |
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Author: pit
Date: 01-08-2008, 14:29
| Officially only the last year's result is the tiebreaker, so NIR and FRO should share the 47 place and UEFA should "invent" new rule to rank them "correctly". I believe, I have seen some UEFA country ranking where (with same 5-years coeff and same last year's coeff) the country with smaller year-before-last coeff was ranked higher - but the position in the table was not an important one (did not give any advantages). I would expect that in 2010/11 it will be again just theoretical dispute, who should be ranked 47th, as most probably the CL TH spot will never be used and only the champions of the last two countries will play in CL Preliminary round. |
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Author: SunnyD
Date: 01-08-2008, 14:37
| I agree with that last statement especially - although it isn't stated anywhere I assume that will be the case if the TH spot is not used and there would only be four teams in Q0, which would moot this point. |
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Author: pit
Date: 01-08-2008, 16:37
| indeed if TH spot is not used, I expect that the champion of country #13 will get direct GS entry and then instead of:
Q0: 6 teams
Q1: 3 + 31 teams
Q2: 17 + 3 teams
Q3: 10 teams
5 winners enter GS
it will become
Q0: 2 teams
Q1: 1 + 35 teams
Q2: 2 + 18 teams
Q3: 10 teams
and again 5 winners
I do not see any other possible reaction if TH spot is not used because of the following limitations:
21 direct entrants
10 teams competing in Q3, 20 teams competing in Q2 (number of teams moving to UEFA Cup GS and Q4 resp. after loosing)
10 teams competing in NQ3, 10 teams competing in NQ2 (same as above)
so from Q3 and NQ3 only 10 teams can enter GS
=> one team should receive direct GS access
unclear is however how UEFA will proceed should TH is a team playing in NQ2/NQ3: TH should receive direct access, and they either should be replaced in NQ round by the team finished one position higher in the ranking (e.g. if we speak for one of the top three countried and TH finish 4th, the 3rd to be downgraded to play in NQ3) or less teams should enter UEFA Q4/GS through NQ2/3 rounds. The latter however will imply additional changes in UEFA Cup to allow additional team to be added in GS/Q4. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 01-08-2008, 18:48
| Another option for the last scenario - the 16th country RU get another team. That is actually what will probably happen IMO. |
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Author: pit
Date: 01-08-2008, 19:24
| If your guess is correct, it would mean that the RU from country #16 will not know where they will play: as 2nd team in UEFA Cup (after the CW) or in CL NQ2 before the CL final and the last round of the CL TH's league. Also it implies uncertainity of wheter country #16 will have 2 CL and 2 UEFA participants or 1 + 3, and in the first case again it would cause rearrangements in UEFA Cup Q3 schedule.
So I consider it hardly to be the "right" option. |
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Author: SunnyD
Date: 02-08-2008, 05:08
| The other possbility would be this, correct?
*13th champion moves up to group
*16th champion moves up to Q2, which is still 3 new teams plus 17 qualifiers
*32 champions 17th-49th (minus Liechtenstein) plus two qualifiers in Q1
*4 champions 50th-53rd in Q0 |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 02-08-2008, 12:22
| SunnyD's option looks fine to me too.
Although I'm sure when I looked before there was only one solution that seemed feasible. So maybe I'm missing something?
Actually I like SunnyD's option better as it follows the current pattern of the Champion of country 16 moving to a later round.
The question of what happens in the NCQ section, if the CL is won by a team from England, Spain etc. that doesn't qualify directly for the group stages via the league, is far more difficult to answer.
The easiest solution by far would be for the last "direct qualifier" to drop into the qualifiers.
If that doesn't happen then the NCQ section should logically have 8 teams in NCQ2 and 6 teams in NCQ3. I'd be very surprised indeed if amirbachar is correct in thinking that the runner-up of country 16 would be "promoted" to the CL.
I suppose though that all this would mean is a slight adjustment to the UEFA Cup access list to take account of the fact that one less team would be entering from the CL at the QR4 stage. And all this would be known at the conclusion of the previous season, so wouldn't really be any different than the adjustments that have to be made in the case of the UEFA Cup TH spot not being needed. |
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