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Author: biagio
Date: 21-03-2008, 22:18
Edited by: biagio
at: 21-03-2008, 22:23

i was studing the new access list and i realized that we will probably see a reshuffle of the last 6 position every year.
that's because of the 6 games in CL Q0 between them. that's 6 points that they have to gain between them. each nation will have the opportunity to make up to 2 points against lower ranked teams compared to now when they are paired with middle ranked nations(like croatia,sweden and so on).
all this while the nations #40-#47 will be paired with high-middle nations(norway,serbia,...).
so there is a good possibility that nations #48 and beyond will gain couple of points, and nations immediatly above them will not. so there will be a shuffle with nations going up and down. every year.
how you like that?

ps of course those 2 points will be divided by the number of teams of the naton but it's still a big help.

Re: yearly reshuffle at the bottom of uefa nation
Author: amirbachar Date: 21-03-2008, 22:25 Edited by: amirbachar at: 21-03-2008, 22:27	I'm sure the matches of q0 (anctually they called pre-qualifing) won't counts for the rankings, bacause of the reason you said. Otherwise q0 would have been called q1. Maybe the teams won't count as a team of that country unless it qualifies.

Author: dzomba
Date: 21-03-2008, 22:55

I think it will be counted, but that will not influence coefficient so much. Usually every country gets a few points every year, so those countries 49th-51th need something bigger to escape from bottom.

Remember that this year for example, Luxembourg's team beated Norwegian. San Marino and Andora also earned a point or two. In fact, those countries are not paired vs much stronger countries. They can beat all those teams under 40th place.

Re: yearly reshuffle at the bottom of uefa nation
Author: amirbachar Date: 21-03-2008, 23:26	It will make a huge difference actually - even 2 more points in total. But anyway, it won't count, because otherwise it would have been called q1 and not pre-Q.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 22-03-2008, 10:39
Edited by: badgerboy
at: 22-03-2008, 10:40

Could someone explain to me why this situation is any different to any other situation where some teams have to play more qualifying rounds than others?

This year Dinamo Zagreb got one & a half (potentially two) "easy points" because they got to start in QR1 as highest seed while poor old Debrecen had to wait until QR2. Austrian teams had less chance than Serbian to make points in the UEFA Cup qualifiers and Israeli than Norwegian.

I don't really get why the points wouldn't count. What difference is it really likely to make to the rankings except that a few teams move from positions 48-50 to somewhere between 41-47 one year & then drop back down again when they don't get to play in the pre-qualifying round the next year?

I can't see these "hugely lucrative" extra points being enough to raise them above 35th - which they would have to just to affect where their highest ranked team enters the UEFA Cup.

And surely the advantage gained by the losers if they didn't count - of having any points your UEFA Cup team(s) gain divided by one less to get the coefficient - is a far greater advantage. And especially so for Andorra & San Marino - on the very rare occasion they might actually get any points.

Re: yearly reshuffle at the bottom of uefa nation
Author: amirbachar Date: 22-03-2008, 12:14	The difference is that those county almost never gain points, so if they compete eachother they will make a lot of points. And in some year only 2 countries will compete there (if CL winner spot is not used) so it will make distortion in the rankings. Anyway, as I said it won't count, and probably the team will count as a team from that country.

Re: yearly reshuffle at the bottom of uefa nation list
Author: bert.kassies Date: 22-03-2008, 14:16	amirbachar said: as I said it won't count, and probably the team will count as a team from that country. Do you have any information or are you just guessing?

Re: yearly reshuffle at the bottom of uefa nation
Author: amirbachar Date: 22-03-2008, 14:25	My information is that "q0" is called Preliminary and not qualifing, so I assume it won't count, just like the IT now.