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| THE BIG DERBY..... | |
| Author: kyriakoulis
Date: 08-03-2008, 13:25 | In my oppinion the best derby to watch is Barcelona-Real M. I would like to learn Which s ur favourite derby to watch in their league? TOP-5 1.barca-real 2.liverpool-arsenal 3.man utd-arsenal 4.chelsea-liverpool 5.chelsea-arsenal ............... |
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| Author: Edirnespor
Date: 08-03-2008, 14:06 | Fenerbahçe-Galatasaray |
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| Author: Zhund0r
Date: 08-03-2008, 14:28 Edited by: Zhund0r at: 08-03-2008, 14:30 | Dortmund - Schalke @ kyriakoulis: London, Manchester and Liverpool are far away from each other. You can't call them a "derby". Same with Real - Barca. |
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| Author: Tirion
Date: 08-03-2008, 14:41 | I think the most exciting derby at least if you are in the satdium is the Roman derby Lazio - Roma. In Germany it would be Schalke - Dortmund, followed by Bremen - Hamburg, Bayern - 1860 and Rostock - St. Pauli. The latter is quiet dangerous outside the stadium because the political background of most of the Fans. Pauli fans are left wing and the Rostock Fans are right wing. Ther quiet some more Derbys in the Bundesliga between Clubs which have a long term enmity e.g. Karlsruhe - Stuttgart, Nürnberg - Fürth, Kaiserslautern - Mainz, Bremen - Hannover or Nürnberg - Bayern |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 08-03-2008, 16:44 | Strange list. As Zhund0r says none of the games listed (or almost none) are really "derbies". Even Chelsea-Arsenal - though a London derby - is considered less of one than Arsenal-Tottenham (North London) or Chelsea-Fulham (West London). Between the "big four" English clubs the game most considered a "derby" is probably Manchester United - Liverpool. Different cities but geographically very close. Both clubs have more traditional local derbies though - with Manchester City & Everton respectively. Real Madrid-Barcelona is a bit different. Because of geography - in England it wouldn't be considered a derby but in Spain it is "El Clasico". Perhaps partly because of the relative disparity in quality between the teams in the traditional English derbies in recent years I'd consider Celtic-Rangers the biggest derby in British football. There's a strong argument for saying it was even in the days when Liverpool & Everton were competing with each otrher for Championships rather than local pride & 4th place. |
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| Author: Kaiser
Date: 08-03-2008, 16:54 | Zenit St. Ptersburg - Spartak Moscow |
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| Author: Cirdan
Date: 08-03-2008, 17:00 | @Zhund0r: big rivalrys are sometimes considered Derbys even when the participating teams are from far away, fixtures like Barca vs Real or Inter vs Juve are derbys because these were the 2 most successfull Spanish/Italian teams for a long time, and there is a big rivalry and media attention on the fixtures, not because the teams are from the same region. However I don't think every meeting between the EPL big 4 would be a derby... you could call pretty much every match between 2 strong teams a derby otherwise. Fan excitement, media buzz and the players determination make a big part of an interesting, big derby for me, I wouldn't consider any of the fixtures kyriakoulis mentioned among the biggest derbys in Europe, maybe except for Real - Barca, but others spring to my mind first... Rangers - Celtic (Old Firm) Borussia Dortmund - Schalke 04 (Revierderby) Roma - Lazio (Derby della Capitale) Olympiakos - Panathinaikos (Derby of the eternal enemies) Galatasaray - Fenerbahce |
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| Author: Zhund0r
Date: 08-03-2008, 18:08 Edited by: Zhund0r at: 08-03-2008, 18:10 | I don't have this opinion. The original meaning of "derby" is not like you explained. Have a look at the following page: http://www.footballderbies.com/ You can speak of "city derbies", "local derbies" or "rivalry" |
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| Author: Aliceag
Date: 08-03-2008, 19:06 | We call derbies to rivalries in the same city and Classics to big games, between rivals outside the same area. So, Sporting - Benfica is a derby (Lisboa), Porto - Boavista (Porto) a derby also. BUT Porto - Benfica and Porto - Sporting we call a Classic. A big game, but not from same city. |
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| Author: Cirdan
Date: 08-03-2008, 19:13 | It's a fact, not an opinion that the term "derby" is sometimes used for non-loval rivalries in some countrys, eg the "Derby d'Italia", and Real-Barca is also often referred to as a derby. |
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| Author: nelster
Date: 08-03-2008, 21:16 Edited by: nelster at: 08-03-2008, 21:17 | I agree with Aliceag's interpretation of "derby", it has to be a city thing. Rangers - Celtic will always be my number 1 :-) The history of Rangers - Celtic for me will always make it the very best for all the ingredients that a derby needs. The working man going into his work on a Monday morning (having won or lost) in amongst fans of both clubs is what makes a Derby special for fans. I get the feeling the Rangers - Celtic match may make some big headlines again shortly. At the moment we have definitely 3 (maybe 4!) Rangers - Celtic fixtures scheduled for March 29th April (2 matches with dates yet to be confirmed) May 24th Scottish Cup Final (should both teams win through their ties) Everything is at stake, Rangers have won 11 League matches in a row, Celtic have won 9 in a row. So, it will be very crazy around Glasgow shortly :-) (or more crazy than normal :-)) I would say that Liverpool - Everton is special, it's got a lot of history, the whole concept of families being divided gives it a different angle that Rangers - Celtic doesn't have. But then the hatred of Rangers - Celtic makes it possibly more appealing to an outsider. Others that I immediately think of are Dortmund - Schalke / Gala - Fener and Roma - Lazio |
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| Author: vukephalas
Date: 09-03-2008, 03:48 | It's got2be PAOK vs Aris...From da neutrals point of view, I'd love2watch Barca-Real. Even smth like River Plate vs Boca Juniors I think it wud be a huge match2watch. |
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| Author: dzomba
Date: 10-03-2008, 09:06 Edited by: dzomba at: 10-03-2008, 10:01 | My list: 1. Roma - Lazio Reasons: politics included, extreme funs (hate between them), big quality, strong league. 2. Real - Barcelona, politics included (Katalonia vs Spain), top quality, strong league, huge tradition 3. Celtic - Rangers, big rivalry, same city, hate between funs, huge tradition 4. Olympiacos - Panathinaikos, (i'm not very well informed about Greek league) but it's a big rivalry (rich vs poor or something like that), hate between funs 5. Betis - Sevilla, same city, hate between funs, strong league 6. Liverpool - Manchester, tradition, strong league, big quality 7. Juventus - Milan - Inter (triangle) each game is a derby, tradition, top quality, strong league 8. Besiktas - Galatasaray - Fenerbahce (triangle), because Turkish funs are passionate, tradition, rivalry, same city 9. Partizan - Zvezda, hate between funs, tradition 10. Marseille - Paris SG, hate between funs, north vs south In Germany i think Bayern is much above others (1860 is much below), so no real derby, maybe only Schalke - Dortmund, but not enough for top 10. I think first three are much above others (Roma-Lazio, Real-Barca, Celtic-Rangers). From fourth down there is a little difference. |
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| Author: executor
Date: 10-03-2008, 09:24 | FootballDerbies Note that these are split between: - city derbies - local derbies - rivalries |
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| Author: dzomba
Date: 10-03-2008, 09:57 | I do not distinguish local derbies from others. That's not decisive. But i don't know what a word 'derby' means in other languages. In my language, there is no distinction with word 'derby' if is it local or not. If it's local we say it's a 'city derby', otherwise only 'derby'. ONLY MEASURE i take are FUNS: how much do they want that their team win. For example, some funs would rather lose a championship, and won a derby, than opposite. If that's the case then it's a big derby! I take into account number of funs x their wish to win. Sponsors, press, players, etc do not make some match a derby. But off course, top teams have more funs. |
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| Author: saras21
Date: 10-03-2008, 12:29 | I have no doubt that the biggest derby to watch is Olympiacos and Pao. Maccabi Tel Aviv and Hapoel Tel Aviv is deffinately the second in the least, together with the derbies of Istanbul and Belgarde. I don't think that the derbys in Spain and Engalnd or any other place are emotional like the derbys I mentioned before. |
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| Author: gukfva
Date: 13-03-2008, 17:16 | TOP 10 City Derbies: Crvena Zvezda - Partizan Inter - Milan Panathinaikos - Olympiakos Slavia - Sparta Galatasaray - Fenerbahce CSKA - Spartak Benfica - Sporting Celtic - Rangers Lazio - Roma Widzew - LKS Lodz |
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| Author: Cirdan
Date: 13-03-2008, 17:59 | @dzomba: I think you are underrating Schalke-Dortmund by your own method... Both Schalke and Dortmund are among the clubs with the highest attendance in European football leagues (see here, Dortmund #3, Schalke #6) and winning a derby is often as important for their fans as league performance, a win in the derby can save a bad season and put a huge shadow on a good season. It's kind of an unusual derby, since both clubs have a similar background and fanbase, but it's nevertheless very fierce. There some other notable derbys in Germany (especially HSV-Werder Bremen, VFB Stuttgart-Karlsruhe, 1860-Bayern), but I'd agree none of them is big enough for a top 10 Europeanwide, let alone worldwide. And I doubt Liverpool-ManU is really that important to the fans, since with Liverpool-Everton and ManU-ManCity there are huge city derbys with more tradition for both of the clubs (Badgerboy was of the same opinion) |
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| Author: Lyonnais
Date: 13-03-2008, 18:12 Edited by: Lyonnais at: 13-03-2008, 18:13 | I didn't know that for a Liverpool fan, a Liverpool-Everton game was more important than a Liverpool-ManU. I would have bet for the opposite. @ dzomba: OM-PSG is not a derby (even as per your large definition). No historic rivalry (nothing before the 90s) and currently much lower rivalry than it used to be say between 1990 and 2000 when those teams were at their top in France. I don't think that any derby in France should be listed as one of the top European derbies, but should we mention one, it is undoubtely Lyon vs. Saint-Etienne. |
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| Author: badgerboy
Date: 13-03-2008, 18:49 | "I didn't know that for a Liverpool fan, a Liverpool-Everton game was more important than a Liverpool-ManU. I would have bet for the opposite". Traditionally I would say that the "same city" derbies were by far the most important. In recent years of course Everton haven't been much of a contender for domestic honours (like Manchester City). Perhaps it's fair to say that this has made the City derbies far more important to the fans of Manchester City & Everton than United or Liverpool simply because these clubs are more desperate for something to brag about than their rivals. Similarly Liverpool-Manchester United probably has more relevance for the former than the latter because - domestically at least - Liverpool haven't even looked like having much else to hold over their rivals. It also perhaps depends a lot where you come from. Liverpool & Manchester United both have a lot of fans around the UK (as well as around the globe of course) & probably for them Liverpool-United is bigger. But for the fans within the city itself - even Liverpool ones - I'd say Everton-Liverpool was still at least a match. |
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| Author: FR-Rinaldo
Date: 14-03-2008, 21:38 | Feyenoord-Ajax |
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| Author: exile
Date: 14-03-2008, 22:46 | Edinburgh derbies (Hibernian v Hearts) don't hit the headlines these days - but the record crowd for such a derby is 65,000 (1950). |
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| Author: walter-wade
Date: 15-03-2008, 04:15 | TOP 5 DERBY ACCORDİNG TO THE LEVEL OF VİOLANCE: 1)aris-paok (thesaloniki derby) 2)karşıyaka-göztepe (smirne derby) 3)redstar-partizan (beograd derby) 4)olympiakos-panathinaikos (athens derby) 5)lazio-roma (roma derby) |
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| Author: joaopeixoto
Date: 16-03-2008, 09:26 | benfica - sporting!! im a benfica suporter ,is te peoples club(benfica) versus the rich ones(sporting lisbon)!! benfica forever |
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| Author: oksijen
Date: 22-03-2008, 04:00 | Fenerbahçe vs Galatasaray vs Beşiktaş (İstanbul) Karşıyaka vs Göztepe (İzmir) |
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| Author: marto193
Date: 03-04-2008, 12:36 | In Bulgaria there some derbies CSKA - Levski (rivarly derbies),this is the famous derby,but in the last years a Plovdiv derby is more better than Levski - CSKA (Plovdiv is the third biggest city in Bulgaria) City derbies Sofia Levski - Lokomotiv Slavia - Lokomotiv Lokomotiv - CSKA CSKA - Slavia Plovdiv Botev - Lokomotiv Varna Cherno More - Spartak Local derbies Vihren - Belasitsa Pirin - Marek Vidima - Liteks Beroe - Botev (the derby for Trakia) Cherno More - Chernomorets Spartak - Chernomorets |
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| Author: abzpablo
Date: 04-04-2008, 03:29 | The Glasgow village idiot contest is getting boring these days - the police always make them kick off at 12.30 and that dilutes the atmosphere. In Scotland, the best derbies are.... Ayr United vs Kilmarnock Peterhead vs Fraserburgh Auchinleck Talbot vs Cumnock |
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| Author: marto193
Date: 06-04-2008, 12:36 | Botev - Lokomotiv 1:2 |
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| Author: daniel
Date: 08-04-2008, 18:00 | Hapoel Tel-Aviv - Maccabi Tel-Aviv Hapoel Tel-Aviv - Beitar Jerusalem is also a big game. |
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| Author: tokyoblue
Date: 14-04-2008, 11:38 | Rangers v Celtic has to be the biggest derby in Europe for history, tradition, cultural impact etc. I doubt any other derby has a 119,000 attendance record for a league game. Maybe some of the South American matches are bigger. |
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| Author: executor
Date: 14-04-2008, 12:45 | tokyoblue, I don't want to rain on your parade  , but attendances of over 100.000 were in Romania also. In March 1985 there were perhaps 120.000 people at 2 games: Steaua-Rapid and Dinamo-Sportul Studentesc (these were played one after another on the same stadium). There were so many people that the athtletic track around the pitch was occupied by spectators, some standing between the reserve benches. There were also people right behind each goal (some threw snowballs at GKs  ). And players had difficulties throwing the ball in from out, because there was little space...After that year, because of this huge attendance, it was decided to give up this "coupling" system, for safety reasons. |
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| Author: veteran-sjever
Date: 18-04-2008, 15:11 | Tommorow 6 pm biggest 91st Bosnian derby , FC Sarajevo-Zeljeznicar. Both clubs from Sarajevo. |
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| Author: nelster
Date: 18-04-2008, 17:46 | The Celtic - Rangers match on Wednesday was pretty hateful. Rangers doctor hit by a coin Rangers players nearly hit by a mobile phone (! Sony Ericsson ;-)) celebrating the goal Rangers fans busses had bricks put through the windows. A pretty hateful arena is Celtic Park when Rangers come calling. Still nothing ever changes, no matter how often Rangers complain, people just say "Yes but everyone has idiots". Rangers players and officials have now been struck by coins 5 times in the last 10 seasons. I'm taking the brave decision of making Sunday 27/04/08 at Celtic Park my first ever away trip to Celtic, I was brought up not to give Celtic FC my money, but needs must :-), my blood is pumping already and we still have Fiorentina to come first.. Just thought I'd post this for the benefit of abzpablo who thinks Rangers - Celtic is dull and boring..... |
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| Author: mbs
Date: 24-04-2008, 00:03 | Neister has just highlighted why Celtic v Rangers is the best derby game in the world (not the best football). The passion for football in Glasgow in just incredible. For a city of just over 600,000, 60,000 attend Celtic park and 50,000 attend Ibrox on each home game and the quality of the opposition is limited. If these teams were to play attractive opposition, then you could double the attendence. Celtic took 100,000 fans to Seville for the UC final of 2003 and Rangers had 25,000 aprox at barcelona this season for a UCL group match (both a record by the country mile). The tension, passion and the feeling of "life or death" grips you every time these two teams play and to be in the stadium is a privellege. At the Barca v R Mad game (probably best football), the loudest noise is at half time when the fans open their bocadillos. |
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| Author: abzpablo
Date: 24-04-2008, 03:43 | nelster - an evening kick off under the floodlights made all the difference |
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| Author: martinjt
Date: 25-04-2008, 21:28 | Newcastle United v Sunderland is a big derby in England. Two cities 15 miles apart, and the rivalry goes past that of football. |
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| Author: pollymac
Date: 30-04-2008, 13:53 Edited by: pollymac at: 30-04-2008, 14:01 | Celtic fan allegedly killed by r*ngers fans at the weekend. Boring it aint. Sad it most definitely is. |
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| Author: nelster
Date: 30-04-2008, 15:21 Edited by: nelster at: 30-04-2008, 15:24 | pollymac, I'm sad to hear this, however I would doubt that the people in question (certainly the attacker) were at the match. Scotland has an inherent problem with Alcohol abuse, the night of Scotland - Italy EC qualifier was the most frightening night I've ever seen in Glasgow, my friend was attacked leaving the pub where we watched the match, people were fighting in the street, people were smashing busses with wine bottles, I was then in an "upmarket" nightclub and saw someone get their ear bitten off - I left and went straight home. The Scottish National Team are now banned from evening kick-offs as a consequence of that day. I'll guarantee you that the person who committed murder was NOT at the football match, they were in a pub or in an alley getting drunk. And believe me I know that there will have been many more incidents than the one which was reported in the Scottish Media.... My first trip to Celtic Park on Sunday was a safe one, no trouble in or outside the ground. |