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Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 05-03-2008, 21:55	Greek Cup quarter-final first leg: Thrasyvoulos - Larissa 1-0

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: eurosid Date: 06-03-2008, 04:24	Fortis Turkish Cup Semi Finals Genclerbirligi - Galatasaray Caykur Rizespor - Kayserispor First matcheson 18-19 March

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Edgar Date: 07-03-2008, 13:10	Romanian Cup SF Dacia Mioveni - CFR Cluj Unirea Urziceni - Gloria Buzau Neutral venue, April 16th. The final will take place on May 10th.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: dzomba Date: 10-03-2008, 08:37	It seems as England will have a second class team in Europe next year. Even if Portsmouth wins, they are not so good team. Semifinalists are Portsmouth (I), West Bromwich (II), Barnsley (II) and Cardiff (II).

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Michele Date: 10-03-2008, 20:12	Danish cup QF's played over the weekend: Næstved (II)- FC København 0-2 Skive (II) - Esbjerg 0-4 Vejle (II) - FC Midtjylland 1-2 (2 penalties for Midtjylland in the final 10 minutes) Brøndby - Randers 2-1 The semifinals will be played on a home/away basis 9th and 16th April and look as follows: FC København - Esbjerg Brøndby - FC Midtjylland

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: veteran-sjever Date: 13-03-2008, 12:52	Bosnian Cup 1/4 final first leg Zeljeznicar-Sarajevo 3:1 Sloboda-Leotar 6:1 Posusje-Laktasi 1:0 Zrinjski-Siroki Brijeg 1:0 second leg will play 19th March

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Guybrush Date: 13-03-2008, 14:05	Croatian Cup 1/4 final Hajduk Split-Inter Zapresic 2:1,4:0 Segesta Sisak(II)-Zagreb 0:0,2:3 Varteks-Cibalia 4:0,2:0 Slaven Belupo-Dinamo Zagreb 0:1,1:2 Semi-finals will be played on 9/23rd of April

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: pit Date: 14-03-2008, 05:57	Bulgarian Cup, qf (12/03) Loko Sofia - Botev 0-2 Kaliakra(2) - Loko Plovdiv 3-1 Cherno More - Blagoevgrad 1-0 Litex - Levski 0-0 4-3p semifinals due to be played on 16/04

Author: neill
Date: 17-03-2008, 12:38

Scottish Cup quarter-finals

P - Premier League
1 - First division

Aberdeen (P) 1 Celtic (P) 1
Queen of the South (1) 2 Dundee (1) 0
St Johnstone (1) 1 St Mirren (P) 1

Ties to be played this week

18.03 Celtic v Aberdeen, St Mirren v St Johnstone
19.03 Rangers (P) v Partick Thistle (1)

Semi final draw

Queen of the South v Celtic/Aberdeen
Rangers/Partick Thistle v St Mirren/St Johnstone

League Cup final

Dundee United 2 Rangers 2

After extra time - Rangers win 3-2 on penalties

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: neill Date: 19-03-2008, 10:19	Two shock results in the Scottish Cup quarter-final replays. Celtic 0 Aberdeen 1 St Mirren 1 St Johnstone 3 Rangers play Partick Thistle in the final quarter-final tonight, could it be four shocks out of four? Revised semi-final draw Queen of the South (1) v Aberdeen (P) Rangers (P)/Partick Thistle (1) v St Johnstone (1)

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: dzomba Date: 19-03-2008, 15:56 Edited by: dzomba at: 19-03-2008, 19:25	Serbian Cup QF: Cukaricki Belgrade - Red Star Belgrade 1-1 0-3 after penalties OFK Belgrade* - Javor Ivanjica 1-1 4-3 after penalties Zemun Belgrade* - FK Banat 1-0 Partizan Belgrade - Sindjelic Nis 5-1

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 19-03-2008, 16:30	Dutch Cup semifinals: Feyenoord-NAC Breda 2-0 Heracles Almelo-Roda JC tonight

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: spoonman Date: 19-03-2008, 22:33	German DFB-Pokal, semifinals: Borussia Dortmund v FC Carl Zeiss Jena 3-0 FC Bayern München v VfL Wolfsburg 2-0 Final on Saturday, 19 April, 20:00 CEST (live on ZDF): Borussia Dortmund v FC Bayern München

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 19-03-2008, 23:35 Edited by: seso at: 20-03-2008, 21:44	Greek Cup quarter-final results: Thrasyvoulos - Larissa 1-0 3-1 Atromitos - OFI 3-1 1-2 Olympiakos - Iraklis 2-0 2-2 Skoda Xanthi - Aris 0-0 0-1 So, Olympiakos, Atromitos, Aris and Thrasyvoulos (2nd division club) are the four clubs in the semi-finals. This probably means that the 4th placed team will get the UC2 spot...

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 19-03-2008, 23:57

French Cup - Round of 16

Sensational win of Carquefou (CFA2, i.e. 5th division) vs. Marseille 1-0. Useless to say that the stade de la beaujoire in Nantes was in fire.
Carquefou, a small city of the suburbs of Nantes, already defeated Nancy (2-1 aet) in the previous round.

Lyon, Bordeaux, Paris SG, Metz + 3 clubs of L2 (Sedan, Amiens, Dijon) + Carquefou are qualfiied for the quarters.
Draw on Sunday.

Details of the round of 16 in the forum 2, French season topic

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: veteran-sjever Date: 20-03-2008, 09:12	Bosnian national cup Sarajevo-Zeljeznicar 4:2 (1:3) Leotar-Sloboda 1:0 (1:6) Siroki Brijeg-Zrinjski 1:0 (0:1) Zrinjski won 2:3 after penalties Laktasi-Posusje 1:3 (0:1) So, in semifinals will play Zeljeznicar, Zrinjski, Sloboda and Posusje

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 20-03-2008, 10:06	Dutch Cup Feyenoord-NAC Breda 2-0 Heracles Almelo-Roda JC 2-2 pen 3-5 final (27 april, Rotterdam) Feyenoord-Roda JC

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: neill Date: 20-03-2008, 10:25	Scottish Cup quarter final Rangers 1 Partick Thistle 1 Nearly another shock as Partick were briefly 1-0 up. I have no idea how Rangers are going to fit in their remaining fixtures, they have a minimum of 14 games to play, it could be as many as 19 if they continue to progress in the Scottish Cup and UEFA Cup.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: yveske123 Date: 20-03-2008, 12:26 Edited by: yveske123 at: 20-03-2008, 12:29	Belgian cup semifinals (1st leg) Standard Liège 2 - 2 AA Gent R.S.C.Anderlecht 1 - 0 G. Beerschot 2nd leg 15.04 AA Gent - Standard 16.04 G.Beerschot - Anderlecht Final 17.05

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 21-03-2008, 09:54	Greek cup semi-finals: Thrasyvoulos-Olympiakos Aris-Atromitos

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: isidromv Date: 21-03-2008, 11:15	Spanish Copa del Rey semifinals: {b>Getafe{/b> - Racing 3-1 1-1 Barcelona - {b>Valencia{/b> 1-1 2-3 The final on April 16th. Getafe will play the second consecutive final, they've shown that they are good playing cups, also in UC. It may be the only possibility for Valencia to play in Europe next year, taking into account their irregularity in the league.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: dzomba Date: 21-03-2008, 12:08 Edited by: dzomba at: 21-03-2008, 12:10	It's Valencia's only possibility to play in Europe. I can't understand how they can play so different, so bad in the league and then eliminate Barcelona, (Atletico before). Interesting that no team from top did not get to final, so it's obvious final is not enough to secure a UC place, and loser has very small chances to earn it through league.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 21-03-2008, 15:50

Very annoying to me that so many "big teams" seem to have a great chance to qualify for Europe via the Cups this year despite having a sucky league campaign.

Dortmund in Germany - already qualified as finalists v Bayern.
Valencia - in the final against Getafe.
Lazio - in the Italian Cup semi-finals.
PSG - in the French League Cup Final. And Lens - the other finalists - are barely a better option.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: dzomba Date: 21-03-2008, 17:35	You forgot Tottenham

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 21-03-2008, 18:36

The French representant in the UEFA Cup (coming from the Cup) is likely to be a 'small team' (assuming that PSG is not a small team, which is a strong assumption

).

The L1 just has 4 representant in the quarters, out of them Lyon and Bordeaux are likely to qualify for the next CL and Metz who are almost already in L2.

So to get a 'decent' representant (if any),

- PSG need to be winner of the Coupe de France or runner-up (losing to Lyon or Bordeaux). Even better, if they could win the League Cup as well, I presume that the 5th of the league would then be qualified for the UEFA up as well.

- if not PSG, it will then be a team playing in L2 (or maybe CFA2

). Again ...

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Edirnespor Date: 21-03-2008, 21:17 Edited by: Edirnespor at: 21-03-2008, 21:18	Fortis Turkish Cup first legs: (semi finals) Gençlerbirliði-Galatasaray : 1-0 Çaykur Rizespor-Kayserispor : 0-3

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: gukfva Date: 22-03-2008, 11:32 Edited by: gukfva at: 22-03-2008, 11:34	Quarter-finals in HUNGARY (1st leg): Kazincbarcika BSC (2) 2 - 2 Budapest Honved DAC Gyor SE (2) 0 - 1 Vasas Budapest FC Fehérvár 2 - 1 Debrecen VSC Gyirmot SE (2) 2 - 4 Rakoczi FC Kaposvar 2nd leg will be played on 25 March.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Lyonnais Date: 23-03-2008, 13:53	French Cup quarters to be played on 15-16 April Lyon - Metz Bordeaux - Sedan (L2) Carquefou (CFA2) - Paris SG Amiens (L2) - Dijon (L2)

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Aliceag Date: 23-03-2008, 18:32	Portuguese League Cup final: Vitória Setúbal 0 - 0 Sporting (3-2 after penalties). Vitoria made it again, and won a cup. They're still in Portuguese cup semi finals and 4th in league. Our Liverpool is doing well.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 24-03-2008, 21:22	This is about the 2008/2009 qualification pages for Greece on this site. This year the system in Greece is: The club that finishes top in the regular season is the champion. The clubs that finish in positions 2-5 play play-offs after the regular season. So, none of Olympiakos, Panathinaikos or AEK are "qualified for european football" yet. They will probably be, but not yet...

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: bert.kassies Date: 24-03-2008, 22:09	Thanks seso. I didn't know that. Is the Greece playoff system similar to the Dutch playoffs?

Author: seso
Date: 24-03-2008, 22:19

I am also reading about the system; it is not explained very well in the Greek Football Association website. What is not clear is if the points of the clubs from the regular season will be taken into account. I guess not, they would have stated it. From what I read the programme will be like this:

1st matchday:
23 April 2008

4-3 (the positions of the club after the regular season)
2-5

2nd matchday:
30 April

5-4
3-2

3rd matchday:
4 May

5-3
2-4

4th matchday:
7 May

3-5
4-2

5th matchday:
11 May

5-2
3-4

6th matchday:
14 May

4-5
2-3

Author: amirbachar
Date: 24-03-2008, 23:51

That might help - from Wikipedia:

"The Super League is entitled to two entrants into the 2007-08 UEFA Champions League season. The Super League champion directly enters the 3rd qualifying round of the Champions League. The second through fifth place teams in the Super League enter a play-off for the second Greek entry. The play-off winner enters the Champions League's second qualifying round, a two-legged tie from which the winner advances to the 3rd round qualyfication of the champions league. The winner of the Greek Cup automatically qualifies for the UEFA Cup, as well as the runners-up of the Super League play-off.

In the play-off for Champions League, the teams play each other in a home and away round robin. However, they do not all start with 0 points. Instead, a weighting system applies to the teams' standing at the start of the play-off mini-league. The team finishing fifth in the Super League will start the play off with 0 points. The fifth place team’s end of season tally of points is subtracted from the sum of the points that other teams have. This number is then divided by three to give the other teams the points with which they start the mini-league."

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 25-03-2008, 00:08 Edited by: amirbachar at: 25-03-2008, 00:10	BTW, in Cyprus there is also a playoff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_First_Division_2007-08

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 25-03-2008, 10:15	Thanks amirbachar! So I guess Panathinaikos and AEK will have a 3 point advantage in the play-offs over the 4th and 5th placed clubs. It will be funny because the final standings will be sth like: Panathinaikos 10.77, AEK 9.41, Aris 9.40 etc

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 25-03-2008, 10:35	Thanks, interesting! play-offs arise through whole Europe now. I wonder if Cyprus will keep the same system next year, when there is another UefaCup spot iso the Intertoto spot(nr.5 gets a UefaCup spot, leaving nr.3 and 4. empty handed)

Author: badgerboy
Date: 25-03-2008, 11:40

I think one of the biggest weaknesses of these play-off systems is the desperation to give everyone something to play for.

In Holland (as far as I can recall) and Cyprus the regular league season has stayed the same (as regards the number of teams & hence games) after the introduction of the play-offs.

So why insist that the teams in the middle of the league - as well as the top ones - must also have some extra games? This just creates the ridiculous situation where a team finishing higher in the league in the regular season can miss out on Europe not because they lose on the pitch to the other team but because the other team has easier play-off opponents.

Surely at a minimum the winners of the "play-off for lesser teams" should have to play-off (again) against the worst team from the championship play-off to get a European place.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 25-03-2008, 12:15

badgerboy, I think the Dutch playoffs fulfil your criteria, in general.

If the cup winner is among the league top-5 (a common case: see 2006/07 and 2005/06) then:
1) #2-#5 play for one CL ticket and three UC tickets,
2) #6-#9 play for one UC ticket and possibly one Intertoto ticket,
3) #10-#13 play for possibly one Intertoto ticket.
The #6-#9 runner-up plays the #10-#13 winner for an Intertoto ticket.

So no team can just earn a ticket by beating some lower placed teams.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 25-03-2008, 12:32	That is indeed only IF the cupwinner is among the top-5. If not than it still is possible that nr2, by losing the play-offs ends up with nothing. I agree with badgerboy on this. play-offs should maybe rearrange the order a bit, but a winner of a lower-play off should not become higher then the loser of the higher play-off. In Cyprus I would say Apollon was 'clever' to end up on the 5th spot!

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 25-03-2008, 13:12	Seso said: "It will be funny because the final standings will be sth like: Panathinaikos 10.77, AEK 9.41, Aris 9.40 etc". I know it wasn't written but I guess the points will be rounded, so if the season ended today, the standing at the beginning would have been: Panathinaikos 6 AEK 6 Aris 2 Tripolis 0

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 25-03-2008, 13:38

Ricardo said: If not than it still is possible that nr2, by losing the play-offs ends up with nothing.

That's true. But only if they lose both play-offs in the group #2-#5, AND the final play-off against the winner of group #6-#9.

It's not my intention to defend the Dutch playoffs. But for a team from the #6-#9 group to grab the last UEFA Cup ticket it is still required to beat a team from the #2-#5 group.

So no team can just earn an easy ticket by beating some lower placed teams.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 25-03-2008, 13:42	Ricardo said: "That is indeed only IF the cupwinner is among the top-5. If not than it still is possible that nr2, by losing the play-offs ends up with nothing." Are you sure that this is the case? Doesn't top 5 get UC spots and if the cup spot is used then the 6th place gets the IT spot?

Author: badgerboy
Date: 25-03-2008, 16:01

Bert

I agree with you for the most part with regard to the Dutch system.

Although I still dislike it that the losers of the UEFA Cup play off semi-finals can be out of Europe without losing to a lower-ranked team.

It would seem fairer if the winners of the Intertoto play off first round had to play the losers of the UEFA Cup play off first round. But then I suppose this would just mean too many play-off games with the winner of the Intertoto spot (if coming from places 10-13) needing to play 8 games rather than the current 6 (which is still quite a lot).

I suppose I still think it's a bit artificial & unnecessary that the Dutch football authorities feel it's necessary to give the teams that finished 10-13 anything to play for at all.

I also think that the fairest play-off system - taking into account the effect of the whole season - would be to start with 4th v 5th - winner progresses to play the 3rd & the winner of that to face the 2nd. So if you're second you only have to play one game to make the CL rather than starting from the same position as the 5th team.

I know I suggested this before & it wasn't that popular - partly due to the reduction in the number of play off games (but then more interest might be retained in the later league games in the normal season if 2nd was more important) and partly because it might not be such a great advantage if the 2nd team had a big gap between their final league game & the play-offs - a fair point.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 25-03-2008, 19:00

badgerboy said: "Although I still dislike it that the losers of the UEFA Cup play off semi-finals can be out of Europe without losing to a lower-ranked team."

Well, my argument is just that this scenario is impossible. The loser of the UEFA Cup play off semi-finals has to play another play-off against the winner of the #6-#9 group for another chance on a UC ticket. And even losing this playoff again this club will still take the IT ticket. Which is another very good chance on a UC ticket (only one match in IT round 3).

So, they are not out of Europe without losing to a lower-ranked team. In fact a team of group #2-#5 cannot be out of Europe at all.

Some links (unfortunately in Dutch only): Eredivisie play offs voor Europese tickets 2007/'08, and
Reglement play-off voor deelname Europese clubcompetities betaald voetbal seizoen 2007/'08.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 25-03-2008, 20:43

Bert - but I think you mean the loser of the UEFA Cup play-off final?

So now (assuming the best placed league team wins):

6 v 9 (9 out)
7 v 8 (8 out)
6 v 7 (7 to play-off)

10 v 13 (13 out)
11 v 12 (12 out)
10 v 11 (10 to play-off & 11 out)

7 v 10 play-off for IT spot.

Practical considerations of too many games aside I think it should be something like:

6 v 9
7 v 8
6 v 7 (7 to IT play-off)

10 v 13 (13 out)
11 v 12 (12 out)
8 v 11 (11 out)
9 v 10 (10 out)
8 v 9 (9 out)
7 v 8 (in theory for the second time in the play-offs & 8 out if they lose again!).

Author: Ricardo
Date: 25-03-2008, 21:09

I understand badgerboy.
Assimung you can control it, it would be 'easier' to become 10th and then play 11,12 & 13 to get in the IT2-final, then to become 9th and then play 6, which you have to win to get to the IT1-semi final, which, if you lose it you get to the same IT2 final.
I agree, but 1- it's only a probably not given 2nd IT spot, and it will only be this year - next year will be the new format. No more IT2 and also no more IT1! SO sth will have to change in the format. I hope the last UC-spot/IT1 match will not become a UC4/nothing match, as then it will indeed become possible for nr2 to end up empty handed......

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 25-03-2008, 22:03

OK badgerboy I see your point, and in theory you are right.

But this can only occur in the fight for the virtual IT2 spot (never happens in practice), or (in case the cup winner spot is not used) only in the fight for the IT spot. Given that there are quite some countries where clubs are not so much interested in IT spots, I don't consider this really important. As said you're scheme is better at this point.

Anyway, the IT spot will be gone next season so the scheme will need to be adapted (if not completely abandoned).

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 25-03-2008, 23:38	@Ricardo, shouldn't the 2009/10 prediction be updated automatically as you update the current league standings?

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 26-03-2008, 08:43	Unfortunately I had to create a complete new excel file for it, as a team can not be UC3(for 09/10) and IT1(for08/09) at the same time. So the sample for 2009/2010 is not automatically updated. If you would like it to I can do it, though I actualy would like to change it to a real 2009/2010 prediction, that is to use the country ranking '07, that is to be used for the 09/10 qualification....

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 26-03-2008, 10:24	Yeah, it would be better to use the 2007 rankings. Please do that when you have time.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 26-03-2008, 10:55

Is there much indication from the authorities in Holland as to whether the play-offs are likely to continue?

I guess that if they did you would have to send teams 10-13 home early with nothing to play for (which I think should happen anyway).
I suppose that's still my main point about the current system. As Bert's says - a lot of people aren't too bothered about the IT Cup anyway so it seems overkill to feel the need to give just about every team in the league extra play off games - almost just for the sake of it.

So new system (not very different from the current one):

1. 2v5
2. 3v4
3. Winner 1 v Winner 2. Winner to CL. Loser to UEFA Cup.
4. Loser 1 v Loser 2. Winner to UEFA Cup. Loser to play-off.
5. 6v9
6. 7v8
7. Winner 5 v Winner 6.

In the event that the Cup Winner spot is used then Winner 7 plays Loser 4 for the final UEFA Cup spot.

If the Cup winner spot isn't needed then Loser 7 plays Loser 4 for the same spot. Although Loser 7 being out under all circumstances & match 4 only being needed when the Cup Winner spot is (or might be) used also seems reasonable.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 26-03-2008, 13:09
Edited by: bert.kassies
at: 26-03-2008, 13:14

badgerboy wrote: Is there much indication from the authorities in Holland as to whether the play-offs are likely to continue?

The news from last week is that only the big clubs (Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord, AZ, Heerenveen) are in favor to abandon the play-offs. So it seems likely that the play-offs will be continued. For me it's mainly about money. Money to gain in extra play-off games, potential money for an otherwise out-of-reach European ticket, etc.

According to Reker: ‘Play-offs kosten Nederland punten’ a decision will be made within two weeks.

Note: This article mentions the Dutch country coefficient as the main reason to abandon the playoffs!

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: veteran-sjever Date: 27-03-2008, 13:59	Bosnian national cup semifinal Zeljeznicar-Sloboda Zrinjski-Posusje first leg 9th April second leg 23rd April

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-03-2008, 20:18

Just when other countries are going to play play-offs (Greece, Cyprus and in a few years Belgium), in the Netherlands most play-offs will be abandoned from next season on.

There will only be a play-off for the last UEFA-cup ticket between the numbers 6 till 9. It's not clear yet what will happen if the Cupwinner (or runner-up) is not inside the top 5, but most likely the number 5 till 8 (or 9, depending what position the Cupwinner/runner-up is in) will then play in the play-offs.

So from next season on it will just be the number 2 of the league again that will play in the CL-qualifying, and the numbers 3, 4 and maybe 5 will qualify for UEFA-cup.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 28-03-2008, 21:22	What kind of playoff is going to be in Belgium and when?

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 28-03-2008, 23:20	What Forza-AZ writes is sofar only a proposal done by the clubs. It still has to be approved by the Dutch FA (KNVB). But it clearly shows the big clubs in Holland don't want the play-offs anymore, while the smaller do....

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 29-03-2008, 17:20

In Belgium they will most likely have play-offs starting in 2009/10:

-number of teams will be reduced from 18 to 16
-top 6 of the league take 50% of the points and play another leagueround (so 30 + 10 matches in total)
-numbers 7 to 14 have play-offs (format not yet clear, can be a knock-out or a half-league (so 30 + 7 matches in total)).
-winner of 7 to 14 play-offs will play nr.4 or 5 (depending on Cupfinal) of the 1 to 6 play-offs for last UEFA-cup ticket.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 29-03-2008, 17:53 Edited by: amirbachar at: 29-03-2008, 18:13	edited: thanks Forza-AZ

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: badgerboy Date: 29-03-2008, 17:59	But one of those spots might be for the Cup Winner - so ForzaAZ is right.

Author: Overgame
Date: 29-03-2008, 18:02

The plan was rejected by the club from the second league (Belgium).

but the "thing" was :

16 teams, after 30 MD, we split in 2.

1st-6th, the points scored in the first phase are halved. 10 more MD.
Champion : CL (GS or champion qRound)
Runner-up : CL NCq
Cup winner : UC
3rd-placed : UC
4th (or 5th if the spot from the Cup is not taken) : play-off with the "7th".

7th-14th : play-off. the winner play against the 4th (or 5th) for the last UC spot.

15th : play-off with 3 teams from the second league for a spot in the firsdt division.
16th : relegated.

Hopefully, the plan was rejected.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Kaiser Date: 29-03-2008, 20:01	Bert Please, activate my account on forum 2 It says it should be activated by you

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: biagio Date: 29-03-2008, 23:10	FRANCE League Cup final Psg-Lens 2-1 Psg goes to Uefa Cup.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 02-04-2008, 20:18	Greek cup semi-final first legs: Thrasyvoulos-Olympiakos 2-3 Aris-Atromitos 1-0 Return legs on the 16th of April.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: TimJohnson Date: 05-04-2008, 21:54	Cup Final from Wales Llanelli - Bangor City. Llanelli only need 3 points to win the league therefore Bangor City will be in the UEFA Cup

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: bert.kassies Date: 05-04-2008, 22:37	Tim, do you know when the Welsh cup final will be played?

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: pit Date: 05-04-2008, 22:44	4th May FAW Welsh Cup Fixtures

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Kaiser Date: 05-04-2008, 23:00	Bert, I suppose it's time for you to start Seeding Champions League 2008/09 or am I wrong? I'm just curious.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: bert.kassies Date: 06-04-2008, 12:11	Kaiser, you're right, time has come: see the link at the top of Qualification 2008/2009. Next week the info at the CL seeding page will be completed.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: kramelito Date: 06-04-2008, 23:17	{b>SWITZERLAND. Swiss Cup final: FC Basel-AC Bellinzona 4-1{/b> (ht 1-0) European spot in 2008-09 and second Cup in a row for swiss first level FC Basel (15x finalist, 9x cup winner) after their victory over AC Bellinzona (3x finalist but never won the cup), the club from the italian-speaking aera who currently leads the second level and try to reach the promotion in swiss first level.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 07-04-2008, 09:02	Due to the qualification of Cardiff, is Portmouth sure of a UefaCup spot? And if so can they still tak eiother the Cupwinner or the Cuploser spot?

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 07-04-2008, 10:04	This is from BBC on Cardiff's Euro hopes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/7294461.stm

Author: seso
Date: 07-04-2008, 10:14
Edited by: seso
at: 07-04-2008, 10:16

Crazy results in the Greek League this year... OFI - Panathinaikos 4-1. Also Aris Thessaloniki has qualified for the play-offs. Asteras Tripolis, a small club from Tripoli, Peloponnissos, is very close to get the 5th place and the last play-off spot. Tripoli is a city of 29,000 citizens, so it will be one of the smallest cities that have a club in Europe! Also this is the first year that Asteras Tripolis plays in the 1st division! It looks like AEK and Panathinaikos will have a 4-5 point advantage in the play-offs against Aris and the 5th-placed club.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: executor Date: 07-04-2008, 11:22	29,000 citizens in Tripoli, you say? Well, that's nothing compared to the 17,700 inhabitants of Urziceni, whose team is very close to qualify for UC on their 2nd ever season in top league.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 07-04-2008, 12:13	A wild card for Cardiff? hmm. I am not sure I like this. Something like they did with Liverpool a few years ago? But for waht country would they count cardiff then? Wales -as Cardiff is welsh or England, as Cardiff earned the wildcard by winning the English FA Cup..... This is getting messy

Author: badgerboy
Date: 07-04-2008, 12:46

Ricardo

Maybe they wouldn't count them at all?

They play their matches & then go home!

I suspect the English FA are going to end up looking pretty bad - to non-English fans at least - again.

The English FA already said they would "review the situation" themselves & I would have hoped that they would change the rules before the final to allow Cardiff into Europe. But now that UEFA have stated they might give Cardiff a wildcard, the English FA surely wouldn't be doing the best job for their clubs if they changed their own rules & possibly denied one of their clubs a place in Europe?

Author: amirbachar
Date: 07-04-2008, 17:06

There is also a question of what seeding will cardiff have?
If they are in europe because of winning the English cup, I think they should be seeded even in the 1st round of UC as any other English club.
Also now it is almost sure that the FA will decide to keep them from being in the UC (so they will have one more team in europe).
I believe UEFA will give them a WC for the 1st Q round and they will have the seeding of an English club and their points will count for England's rankings (so they might have 9 teams next year).

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: scroll Date: 07-04-2008, 17:27	if the co-eff points are given to wales, it will massively boost their ranking as cardiff would have a good chance of making the groups stages. i cant see the other minnows being happy about this.

Author: daggy
Date: 07-04-2008, 19:05

Doesn't the Dutch Cup loser get the Uefa spot if the winner is qualified for it in the playoffs? Or how would it change the playoffs if the winner is a top5 placed team (Feyenoord)?

And Let's say Roda JC wins the Uefa Cup, how are the dutch playoffs affected?
does it become like this:
#1 - Champions league
#2-#5 - CL playoffs
#6-#9 - playoffs for the 5th placed Uefa spot
Loser of #2-#5 playoffs and Winner of #6-#9 playoffs play each other: winner gets Uefa and loser gets Intertoto.

I must say it's a bit confusing

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 07-04-2008, 23:01	yes it is confusing, But it stays simple: a cuploser only gets a Uefa ticket if the cupwinner plays CL(-qualification). I don't understand it either but if Feyenoord wins the cup and plays CL-play-offs then #2-#5 play at least UC, othewise they can still fall back to Intertoto!

Author: badgerboy
Date: 08-04-2008, 10:00

I keep thinking I understand the Dutch play-offs & then I get confused again.

Surely, if Feyenoord win the Cup and then enter the CL play-offs - & actually win them - then Roda would still get one of the UEFA Cup spots as cup losers.

That only leaves three more places in the UEFA Cup. Assuming teams 6-9 are playing for one of them (or the right to enter a play-off for one of them?) then surely only two of the CL play-off teams can go directly to the UEFA Cup?

Of course if Feyenoord play CL play-offs & don't win them there is no problem as Roda wouldn't then "steal" one of the UEFA Cup spots.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 08-04-2008, 10:54

Yes badgerboy you are right. I thought it would be made impossible for Roda to fight in the 6-9 play-ffs for a ticket and at the same time wait to see if they don't get a ticket as cuploser. But also that scenario is forseen it can happen that Roda wins the play-offs and also gets a ticket as cup-loser. then tickets will be shifted downwards E5->E6->E7, etc. See this view in Dutch to see it graphically with the current standing in it, but not taking into account the cupfinal

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 08-04-2008, 12:36

Last 2 years it was easy to understand because both Cupfinalists were in the top 5, so 2-5 played for 1 CL and 3 UEFA-cup spots, 6-9 played for 1 UEFA-cup spot, with the runner-up of 6-9 playing the winner of 10-13 for the Intertoto spot.
But with Roda JC now not being inside the top 5 and also uncertain if Feyenoord is in the top 5, there are much possibilities:

-The simplest is if both Feyenoord and Roda JC are in 6-9. Then 2-5 play for 1 CL and 2 UEFA-cup spots, with the 4th teams playing the winner of 6-10 (10 is replacing the Cupwinner who already has UEFA-cup) for the last UEFA-cup spot with the loser getting the Intertoto spot. 11-13 can't get Intertoto any more in that case.
-The same will be the case if the winner of the Cup is at 6-9 (no matter where the Cupfinal loser is).
-It gets complicated when Feyenoord is at 2-5 and wins the Cup. Then 10-13 will also play for the Intertoto spot, but during the play-offs it can turn out that they played their matches in vain (when Feyenoord wins the 2-5 play-offs and Roda JC doesn't win the 6-9 play-offs) because Roda JC will then "steal" the UEFA-cup spot and the 4th team from the 2-5 play-offs plays the winner of the 6-9 play-offs for the last UEFA spot and the Intertoto spot.
If Feyenoord doesn't win the 2-5 play-offs or Roda JC wins the 6-9 play-offs, then all teams in the 2-5 play-offs are certain of at least UEFA-cup and the runner-up of the 6-9 play-offs will play the winner of the 10-13 play-offs for the Intertoto spot.

And it's also still possible that Roda JC drops out of the top 9, which gives yet another situation.
It should get more clear how the play-offs will be played after the last matchday (20 April), but some teams still have to wait who they play in the play-offs untill after the Cupfinal is played (27 April).

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 08-04-2008, 13:25	This is another interesting story from the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7335925.stm

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 08-04-2008, 16:32 Edited by: amirbachar at: 08-04-2008, 16:33	Forza-AZ, are you sure that if the cup winner doesn't finish in the top 5, it won't play the PO? I mean, it makes a lot of sense, since it is already in UC next year, but are you sure this is the case? Because the chart you gave doesn't show that. I have never seen such a complicated system - not even the Sammarian PO which is quite compicated too.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 08-04-2008, 18:37	I am sure it is like that

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: amirbachar Date: 08-04-2008, 21:09 Edited by: amirbachar at: 08-04-2008, 21:10	Israeli cup - semi finals: Beitar - Natanya Hapoel Ta - Shimshon TA so in the predictions Hapoel TA should be in UC instad of 4th place

Author: dzomba
Date: 10-04-2008, 08:40

Croatian Cup - SemiFinals

1st leg:

Dinamo Zagreb - Zagreb 3-1
30' 1-0
42' 2-0
58' 2-1
93' 3-1

Dinamo as a favourite made it clear. Since the Zagreb's ground is the easiest away ground for Dinamo, they shouldn't have any problems to pass to final. Although they are not in great form, they are much ahead of other teams.
Dinamo is already a champion, while Zagreb escaped relegation zone, but do not have a chance to do anything more (they are in lower part of table).

Varteks - Hajduk 1-1
26' 1-0
48' Red card for Hajduk
65' 1-1

This was much more important semifinal, since everybody expects Dinamo in the final, what means winner of this semifinal will secure Uefa cup. Although Hajduk played with 10 men whole second half, they made a draw and were better side. Great advantage before second leg.
Hajduk is in battle for 2nd place (3 teams fight for 2nd-4th place), but if they pass to final, that wouldn't matter. They are in great financial crisis. Varteks is in battle to escape relegation, although they play good now, they had disastrous Autumn.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: veteran-sjever Date: 10-04-2008, 09:27	Bosnian national cup semifinal 1st leg Zeljeznicar-Sloboda 1:1 Zrinjski-Posusje 4:0 second leg 23rd April

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 10-04-2008, 15:31	@amirbachar Yes, I'm sure about that. It is written in the regulations of the KNVB (Dutch FA). And it also makes sence, because why play in play-offs for something you already have.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Maluyaca Date: 15-04-2008, 23:33	Finalist in different countries Gent won second leg 4-0 against Standard Maffia Porto has won with 0-3 at Setubal Glencerbigly or how do you write that eliminated Galatasaray with a draw at 1 after winning the first leg 1-0.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: seso Date: 16-04-2008, 19:42 Edited by: seso at: 16-04-2008, 21:56	Greek cup semi-finals: Thrasyvoulos-Olympiakos: first leg: 2-3, second leg: 1-3 Aris-Atromitos: first leg: 1-0, second leg: 2-1 The final (Aris-Olympiakos) will be played on the 17th of May. Quite a good season for Aris; they have qualified for the play-offs and they are in the cup final. Since Olympiakos will probably be the league champion, Aris will take the UC2 spot.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: cyxapebpek Date: 16-04-2008, 20:22	Russian Cup semis: Amkar 1 - 0 Ural CSKA 2 - 1 Tom' CSKA - Amkar in the final played on May 17th.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 16-04-2008, 20:49	Bordeaux eliminated on penalties in the French Cup! So we have Lyon, Amiens and Sedan through. Tonight the last match Carquefou-PSG. Is the pairing alreay known for this? Will PSG(if they win tonight) meet Lyon in the final - and give the 5th in league an UC spot, or already before - giving Amiens or Sedan a UC spot (or Carquefou)

Author: Michele
Date: 16-04-2008, 21:26

Danish cup semi 2nd leg

Esbjerg - FC Kobenhavn 0-1

However, the first match in Copenhagen had ended 1-0 to Esbjerg, so extra time was needed. Right before half time, Esbjerg scored, but with 5 mins to go, FCK went ahead 2-1 on the night and looked to go to the final on away goals. That was until Esbjerg scored off a corner in the last minute and booked the place in the final. Very dramatic extra time, especially when you couldn't watch the game and had to follow it through a shout box...

Tomorrow, the other semi final return leg will be played, but Brondby look destined to join Esbjerg after beating FC Midtjylland 3-0 at home in the first leg.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: executor Date: 16-04-2008, 21:30 Edited by: executor at: 16-04-2008, 21:32	Romania Cup semifinals Dacia Mioveni - CFR Cluj 0-3 (played in Bucharest on Rapid's stadium) Tomorrow: Gloria Buzãu - Unirea Urziceni (will be played in Cotroceni, stadium of Progresul Bucharest)

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Lyonnais Date: 16-04-2008, 23:11	France - quarters Lyon - Metz 1-0 Bordeaux - Sedan (2) 0-0 pen. Carquefou (5) - Paris SG 0-1 Amiens (2) - Dijon (2) 1-0 Draw for the semi-finals tommorrow (to be played on 6/7 May)

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: putzeijs Date: 16-04-2008, 23:21	In Belgium Anderlecht reached the final after a 1-1 draw in the return after a 1-0 win at home versus GBA. Taking into account that Anderlecht is favourite for the second Champions League place, AA Gent seems to be almost sure to play European football next year. Gent played Intertoto several times and ended the League on a coulorless 6th place.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 17-04-2008, 10:47

My "love of Cups" is really being enhanced this year.

Valencia beat Getafe 3-1 in the Spanish Cup Final to ensure that a team that plays in Europe "almost every season" will do so again despite their rubbish form in the domestic league.

And Inter were held 0-0 at home by Lazio while Roma beat Catania 1-0 in the first legs of the Italian semis. My money is on Lazio (another "big club/European regular" playing badly) to at least get to the Final.

Elsewhere - in Ukraine there are only two big clubs & they will play each other in the Final. The good news here is that both Dnipro & Metalist Kharkiv will surely enter the UEFA Cup (a prize their league superiority over everyone outside the big two surely deserves).

In Israel it will be Beitar v Hapoel Tel Aviv. Oh look - aren't Hapoel yet another "European regular who have been crap in the league this year". And we also have Brondby who - as Michele says - are almost definitely in the Danish Cup Final.

The Bulgarian Final will be between Litex Lovech & Cherno More Varna. I hope (but don't expect) the team from Varna to win as Litex "always" plays in Europe & if they win the cup it will probably be them + all Sofia teams in Europe next year. Come on the provincials!

In Serbia the final is Partizan v Zemun. That one I don't mind too much. Zemun might be a "capital club" but aren't a European regular.
Wow - actually I just checked & they are now near the bottom of the second Serbian league. I didn't know that!

Author: Michele
Date: 17-04-2008, 19:06

@badger

At least Esbjerg will be the second team in that cup final and they are not Euro regulars. And when they have played in Europe recently, they have left before you even noticed they were there. However, we won't get the "funny" situation we could have had if FCK had beaten Brondby in the cup final and Brondby would then have to hope that FCK became champions in order for themselves to play in Europe next season. In that case, I would have had a lot of fun reading their reactions to that situation and guessing that the majority would rather FCK not win the title and Brondby not playing in Europe than the opposite.

On the other hand, it's probably a good thing that we won't have them play a Thursday afternoon on a notorious beer-drinking day with a lot of stuff going on right next to the stadium before and after the game. That would almost inevitably have led to a lot of trouble and arrested people.

Author: mt4e
Date: 17-04-2008, 21:03

ISRAEL:
Beitar Jerusalem Vs Hapoel TLV

Beitar suffers from a moral breakdown, after receiving a harmful punish of 6 radius games without audience in addition to lowering 4 points from the next year game season. (because more than a thouand beitaric fans broke up to the field at the 86th minuth' and disturbed the game). Hapoel TLV's isn't better. she lost her last league game 3-0 to Natanya, and hardly passed athird league team in the semi final's.
I expect Beitar to win because of the huge budget of 130 million nis ( 38 mil US $)in compare to the 35 million nis budget( 10 mil US $) of Hapoel, and because Beitar has 4 line-up players in our national team.
As a Maccabi TLV fan I hope both teams to lose LOL

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: executor Date: 17-04-2008, 21:32 Edited by: executor at: 17-04-2008, 21:32	And, as expected, Unirea Urziceni qualified for the Romanian Cup final (and also 99% for the UC) following a 1-0 win over Gloria Buzãu The final, CFR Cluj - Unirea Urziceni will be played in Piatra Neamţ on May 10th.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: cinebelul Date: 19-04-2008, 20:15 Edited by: cinebelul at: 19-04-2008, 22:30	Bayern - BVB 1-0 11th Luca Toniiiiiiii! LE Extratime in Berlin, Dortmund equalised in the 92nd !!! 103rd min 2-1 again Luca Toni The game over. 1ST TITLE FOR BAYERN THIS SEASON

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Kaiser Date: 21-04-2008, 17:49	And finally yesterday Rangers defeated St. Johnstone in FA Cup...

Author: dzomba
Date: 24-04-2008, 08:24
Edited by: dzomba
at: 24-04-2008, 08:26

Croatian Cup 2nd leg:

Zagreb - Dinamo 2-3 (1-3)
15' - 1-0
35' - 1-1 (own goal)
37' - 2-1
42' - 2-2 (own goal) (!!)
87' - 2-3

Dinamo won, but Zagreb scored two own goals (!!) (although not own goals like Riise - those were normal deflection own goals) in first half after leading, and it was over. Just a reminder, Zagreb's coach is legendary Blazevic (bronze France 98) and is doing great there (as everywhere he goes) with young and talented squad. Zagreb was better side in the whole game.

Hajduk - Varteks 4-0 (1-1)
15' - 1-0
32' - 2-0
45' - 3-0 (pen)
60' - 4-0

Easy win for Hajduk. They played good, Varteks bad, and that's it.

With this final Hajduk secured Uefa Cup place, so now 3rd place in championship is enough for third UC spot.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: executor Date: 24-04-2008, 08:41	Bert, just to let you know, Rapid and Dinamo also qualified for UC. Neither of these 2, nor Unirea Urziceni can drop below 6th spot.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: krdel Date: 24-04-2008, 10:58	dzomba, as far as i know, Blaževiæ is leaving after the season. And well, Pjesnici always lose important matches anyway. Quite simpatic club though.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: dzomba Date: 24-04-2008, 12:21 Edited by: dzomba at: 24-04-2008, 12:24	No, Zagreb do not lose all important games, but it's very hard to beat either Dinamo either Hajduk in Croatia. Right now, especially Dinamo. Remember, Zagreb is the only club which broke the dominance of great duo and won the title in Croatia. It's also very hard to be first club in a country, when they are second club in a town. In fact they always play 'away' vs Dinamo.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: veteran-sjever Date: 24-04-2008, 13:07	Bosnian national cup final match Sloboda-Zrinjski

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: bert.kassies Date: 24-04-2008, 16:36	executor, thanks.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: executor Date: 26-04-2008, 14:32	Politehnica ªtiinþa Timiºoara just qualified for UC for the first time, following the 1-0 win over Gloria Buzãu.

Author: 1923
Date: 28-04-2008, 15:11
Edited by: 1923
at: 28-04-2008, 15:15

Turkish Cup Final (7 May)
Gençlerbirliði - Kayseri

two matches to end of the league, Kayseri will finish the season 5th while Gençlerbirliði almost secured staying in top level after a bad season

Gençlerbirliði is a typical "cup team" who are in final for the 4th time in last 8 seasons. they won the cup in 2001 by beating Beþiktaþ in semis and Fenerbahçe in final, they were losing finalists in 2003 by beating Beþiktaþ in semis, and losing finalists again in 2004 by beating Fenerbahçe in semis. and this season they've beaten Beþiktaþ in crappy "group stage" and eliminated Galatasaray in semi final

both teams have qualified to UEFA Cup before. Gençlerbirliði played 4th round in 2003/04, beating Valencia 1-0 in Ankara and lost only 2-0 in extra time with 10 men. Kayseri were in UEFA Cup 2006/07 (via Intertoto), they eliminated Tirana in Q2, in R1 they lost AZ 3-2 away and drew 1-1 at home with an unlucky goal

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Ricardo Date: 30-04-2008, 20:17	@bert I just noticed, for Estonia you have Flora Talinn qualified for UC as UC2 and TVMK qualified for IC. But Flora Talinn just qualified for the CUpfinal, making it possible to get the CW spot, making TVMK taking the UC2 spot and Possibly Trans Narva taking the IC spot It can become Flora Talinn - Flora Talinn II in the Cup final ;-)

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: bert.kassies Date: 30-04-2008, 20:39	ricardo, thanks.

Author: Guybrush
Date: 01-05-2008, 12:51

I have a question regarding Legia Warsaw qualifying for UEFA cup via cup looser spot.I tought that Legia was banned for next season euro competition.If so,do they get replacement or does Poland loose that euro competition spot.I remember that some 10-15 years ago Dinamo Zagreb was banned from Europe for one year(after hooligans fighting with the police in Auxerre) and Croatia didn't get any replacement.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: badgerboy Date: 01-05-2008, 12:59	Legia aren't banned. Someone found a link the other day & the original punishment was changed so that the one year ban is "suspended" for five years. I guess that means that if there is any more "trouble" involving their fans the ban comes back - & most likely would be increased.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Guybrush Date: 01-05-2008, 14:09	Thanks.Didn't know that.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: cambiasso Date: 01-05-2008, 17:08	Brøndby wins the Danish cup after an emotional 3-2 win vs Esbjerg. Brøndby's coefficient is 18,748, thus they will be seeded all the way through the UEFA qualification.

Re: Domestic Cups 2007-08
Author: Pinkerton Date: 02-05-2008, 00:15	Artmedia Petrzalka won slovakian cup against Spartak Trnava 1:0. But it seems that Artmedia is going to CL, so Trnava for 90% to UEFA cup.