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Author: Kaiser
Date: 11-01-2008, 12:04
| Last time I talked about bonus coefficients points to champions.
This time I have a new idea.
Let's imagine an example. Last season in Premier League top 4 teams finished in such a way:
Man. United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
But they were ordered by ranking non-this order.
Liverpool 112.618
Arsenal 104.618
Man. United 99.618
Chelsea 99.618
So my suggestion is to give the champion of the country (for one season) the highest coefficient of all teams of that country. Runner-up - second coefficient and so on.
And what would we get:
Man. United 112.618 (on loan from Liverpool)
Chelsea 104.618 (on loan from Arsenal)
Liverpool 99.618 (on loan from Man. United)
Arsenal 99.618 (on loan from Chelsea)
And it's with all teams. Anderlecht with coefficient 41.594 became champion of Belgium and accordingly take the highest coefficient of teams of Belgium - Club Brugge's 45.594 . Fenerbahce became champion of Turkey and take Besiktas' coefficient because Besiktas was the most high ranked from all Turkish teams.
So I hope you got the core. And do you like this idea? (I hope that wasn't discussed before) |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 11-01-2008, 13:20
| It's a really bad idea.
It's like using only the country coefficients.
But not the average of all team - the best team(s) coefficients. |
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Author: bbi
Date: 11-01-2008, 16:39
| nope sorry kaiser. this is not a good idea. this way a club that only concentraites on the internal competition and thus maybe becoming the champion will take points from some other team that played on more fronts and consumed more energy. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 12-01-2008, 16:08
| Actually, on a second thought, it might not be such a bad idea, but the re-ordering should be only from the teams that compete in a specific stage, so teams from other countries won't be infulenced.
But there is also problem with that, because then teams will want the highest ranked teams to qualify and they could give the game to them if they need to and stuff like that. But it might be a good idea. |
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Author: Zona
Date: 12-01-2008, 17:06
| What if champions received a higher percentage of the country coefficient. The champion could get 40%, the runner-up could get 35%, third could get 30%. I am not sure if those are the best numbers, but something like that. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 12-01-2008, 23:14
| That sounds a really good idea.
I say champions get 50%, CW 40% and all other teams 33%.
But It won't make such a huge difference so maybe it's better to keep the system simple as it is now. |
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Author: Kaiser
Date: 12-01-2008, 23:27
| I remember I created such topic but someone said I'm dummy and changes are low |
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Author: Zona
Date: 12-01-2008, 23:33
| I don't know, ten percent of a hundred points (10 points) could make a big difference in how teams are ranked. |
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Author: Kaiser
Date: 13-01-2008, 00:18
| But not in pots - 1-2 changes between pots and that's all. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 13-01-2008, 00:46
Edited by: amirbachar
at: 13-01-2008, 00:47 | Actully, that's something Platinti should like, so if someone will suggest it to him, I guess we will see it in 2 to 3 years...
It will also make the cup more important, even for the big clubs in Europe |
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Author: Zona
Date: 13-01-2008, 07:06
| Another change that I feel makes sense (but arguably is not important) is a decrease in the weight of coefficient points as time progresses. This means, instead of simply taking 33% of the country coefficient and 100% of the team's coefficient, we would have 100% of 33% of last year's coefficient, 80% of 33% of the coefficient from two years ago, 60% of 33% of the coefficient from three years ago and so on. Combine this with a decreasing percentage of the country coefficient from first to second to third, and we have an unbelievably complicated system of calculating coefficients. The reason I want coefficients to count for less as time goes on is because results from five years ago are not as relevant to current rankings as last years results because more time has elapsed, allowing for more changes in the teams. |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 13-01-2008, 13:20
| But that may also be true for team coefficent too.
I think that the current stability is good. |
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Author: Zona
Date: 13-01-2008, 17:16
| Alright, my "unbelievably complicated" coefficient system isn't really that complicated. This is how it would work:
"A" is the number of points earned by a team in Season 1 in Europe.
"B" is for Season 2, "C" for Season 3...until "E" in Season 5.
"a" is the country coefficient from Season 1, "b" is the country coefficient from Season 2...so on.
"k", "j", "l", "m", and "n" are multipliers based on league position for each season. The higher a team finished in its league, the higher their multiplier is.
The formula for a team's coefficient would be:
.2(A+ka)+.4(B+jb)+.6(C+lc)+.8(D+md)+(E+ne) |
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Author: amirbachar
Date: 13-01-2008, 23:05
| It's not complicated to us, the statistics enthusiasts, but believe me, it is way too complicated to the the "regular" fans.
Even today, a lot of fans can't understand the system. |
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