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| Your club's real position! | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 04-01-2008, 13:31 | CURRENT UEFA RANKING 1 AC Milan 2 Chelsea 3 Liverpool 4 FC Barcelona 5 Arsenal 6 Sevilla 7 Olympique Lyon 8 Internazionale 9 Real Madrid 10 Manchester United 11 Villarreal 12 PSV Eindhoven 13 Valencia 14 Newcastle United 15 Bayern München 16 FC Porto 17 AS Roma 18 Benfica 19 AZ Alkmaar 20 Werder Bremen 24 Steaua Bucuresti 28 Sporting CP Lisbon 30 AC Parma 35 Ajax 37 Celtic 39 Olympiakos Piraeus 44 Fenerbahçe 50 Celta de Vigo Try to compare it to the reality... |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: badgerboy
Date: 04-01-2008, 14:01 | If you're going to write a list why leave out teams like Juventus, CSKA Moskva etc? |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: gukfva
Date: 04-01-2008, 16:12 | Because I give you a chance to write their positions. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Kaiser
Date: 04-01-2008, 19:04 | And where's Zenit? Russian champions, current UEFA Cup participants? |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Aliceag
Date: 04-01-2008, 19:32 | This one is an easy one. Try to compute all results from past 5 years WITHOUT the country coeff (those 33% that boost a newbie). And you'll have a good answer. That way we simply add up the points each team really earned for itself and rewards for achieving Group Stages and QF, SF... |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Cirdan
Date: 04-01-2008, 19:52 | @Aliceag: I don't think a system that grants the same points for a win in the CL against Real or Milan as in the UC against Dnipro is really accurate... at least not if it isn't a round-robin league. Especially Newcastle and Sevilla are obviously overrated due to UC performances. But I don't know if an ELO-style ranking would work, since a lot of teams don't play enough games, and I don't see any other adequate method. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: exile
Date: 04-01-2008, 20:42 | Look up Jerome Fagueras on rsssf - he has a ranking system which has a few advantages over the UEFA system - it takes domestic leagues into account so in theory could include every club in Europe. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Dragonite
Date: 04-01-2008, 21:33 | I agree with Aliceag and Cirdan, There should be no 33% of country ranking, and CL games should count more than UEFA Cup games. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Lyonnais
Date: 05-01-2008, 12:44 | I did that ranking: - without country points - with a degressive factor (2007 -> 100%, 2006 --> 80%, 2005 -> 60%, 2004 -> 40%, 2003 -> 20%) 1. Milan AC 67.8 2. Liverpool 57.2 3. FC Barcelona 55.0 4. Chelsea 53.4 5. FC Sevilla 52.2 6. Arsenal 51.4 7. Lyon 51.0 8. Inter Milan 48.8 9. Manchester United 45.0 10. PSV Eindhoven 44.0 11. Real Madrid 43.2 12. Bayern Munich 42.0 13. Newcastle United 41.0 14. Benfica 39.4 15. AZ Alkmaar 39.2 16. FC Porto 38.6 17. Werder Bremen 38.4 18. Valencia CF 37.4 19. AS Roma 37.0 20. Espanyol 36.2 etc. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: cankanal
Date: 05-01-2008, 13:20 | Could you calculate first 50 please?  |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: exile
Date: 05-01-2008, 18:31 | That ranking suffers from UEFA Cup ties having the same points as CL games - hence Newcastle being in a false position. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: Dragonite
Date: 05-01-2008, 19:06 | And Sevilla, AZ Alkmaar and Espanyol too, not just Newcastle. These teams got ALL theirs points in the UEFA Cup (except Sevilla this season, and Newcastle in 2002/2003 season if it still counts for the ranking). |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: OMfan
Date: 12-02-2008, 11:29 | I think Lyon is in the top 8. Marseilles about the 20th place just behind all européan top teams (4-5 inthe top 3 and teams like porto,psv,bayern etc). Most of the french teams (bordeaux, lille, lens,monaco and several middle ranked teams ligue 1), could be ranked beetween the 25 and the 50 place.But it means nothings if they didn't manage to qualify UC or CL. In France there's lyon and the others. Any teams could qualify in champion's league and any teams could be relegated. The big problem is that when they are qualified they don't play like the year before. Ex toulouse qualified in QR3 eliminated by liverpool, win no match in UC and 18th in ligue 1. Nancy could manage to qualify in CL but next year? relegated? Auxerre is 17th today, perhaps could they be 2nd in 2008-2009? In fact i wrote several lines but i can't answer this question. I could say that each year we 've got teams who are in top 20 but they are not qualified in european cups lol. |
| Re: Your club's real position! | |
| Author: cobwebcat
Date: 21-02-2008, 21:37 | http://mancrank.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ |