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Author: exile
Date: 12-11-2007, 21:33

Have a look at this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7090646.stm

As usual with the BBC, no details are given!

So this is complete guesswork.....

22 automatic qualifiers

tournament holder(1)

1st in nations 1 to 12 (12)

2nd in nations 1 to 6 (6)

3rd in nations 1 to 3 (3)

total - 22

plus

10 qualifiers

so - QR3 now becomes a round of 20. 40 teams in QR2 - 16 qualifiers
from a 32-team QR1 plus 24 byes

So

Nations 1 to 3 - 3 to Group stage, 4th to QR2
4 to 6 - 2 to Group stage, 3rd to QR2
7 to 12 - 1 to Group stage, 1 to QR2
13 to 15 - 2 to QR2
16 to 20 - 1 to QR2
21 to 50 - 1 to QR1

Applying this to 2007-8

Extra automatic qualifiers - Sevilla, Lazio, Liverpool,
Dinamo Bucharest, Celtic, Anderlecht

As it happens, the effect would have been to have
Dinamo Bucharest in the group stage instead of one of
the qualifiers. Dinamo were of course not seeded in QR3 - so
one of the seeded teams at QR3 (presumably, Levski) would now be unseeded.

Anderlecht would also now be in the group stage - which they SHOULD have been had they not lost to unseeded Fenerbnahce.

So hardly a revolutionary proposal! However it does reduce the chance of an unseeded team from QR3 making it to the group stage since there are now only 10 slots available instead of 16.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: LevskiFan Date: 12-11-2007, 21:42 Edited by: LevskiFan at: 12-11-2007, 21:49	im really geting confused now...

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: exile Date: 12-11-2007, 22:08	As I say, I'm not certain this is the plan, but it's based on my interpretation of the BBC article.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 12-11-2007, 22:20

I think you'll find that Platini's original proposal has gone through except that it no longer involves Cup Winners.

So - 22 teams directly qualified - as Exile says - but the qualification rounds otherwise split into Champions (from country 13 down) and non-Champions (last team from countries 1-16).

Exactly what I wanted! Although I was happy to "compromise" a little to appease our Dutch & Portuguese friends especially.

I love the fact that the BBC (and probably everyone else) is writing it up as a "defeat" for Platini & I reckon he got exactly what he wanted. Vive le France!

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: rbr Date: 12-11-2007, 22:46	could some one spell out exactly what has been agreed , many thanks

Author: badgerboy
Date: 12-11-2007, 22:53

See the other topic . My last post (at the bottom).

And bear in mind this hasn't been "agreed" yet. No "official announcements" are being made about today's meeting but whatever has been "agreed" will go to a vote at the UEFA Executive committee at the end of the month. What seems clear is that the "Cup winner plan" has already been discarded (yippee!) & wont even go to the vote.

Then I guess it will all be released into the public domain.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: rbr Date: 12-11-2007, 23:31	so no direct changes for scotlans then still 2 places

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: Ricardo Date: 12-11-2007, 23:37	yes, still 2 places, but 1 with a direct qualification in CL and the other one has a very hard - almost impossible - qualification route(4 non champions of top-16 qualify), so probably no more Celtic&Rangers in CL

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: bbi Date: 13-11-2007, 01:48 Edited by: bbi at: 13-11-2007, 01:50	would have liked it better with 4 to 9 1 direct and 2 in qr2 and maybe even take a place from the 3rd ranked league.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: LevskiFan Date: 13-11-2007, 02:49 Edited by: LevskiFan at: 13-11-2007, 02:49	so basicly....that means...the little chance that countries behind top 15 had to get a team in the CL(lucky draw)....now have become an illusionary ones. What the hell was the point of all this? or am i not getting something here??

Author: Nick
Date: 13-11-2007, 06:35

LevkiFan: You are really not getting it

This proposal has 2 parts:
1. Top countries are getting what they have now.
2. Subtop countries get guaranteed CL places.

Let's take Bulgaria for example. The champion won't get a direct stop just like now. But there is a great difference at what happens next! The bulgarian (swiss, norwegian etc.) champion will have to qualify against teams from countries ranked below 20 and not against the likes of Liverpool or Barca. Makes a great difference IMO. Of course it's also a great chance for the likes of Tampere United to qualify

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: Ricardo Date: 13-11-2007, 12:46	Short summary: I would say that from the 16 non champions normally would qualify about 8-9(can anybody check this for recent years?). Now only 4 can qualify. Those 4 spots are now taken by champions of rank 13 and lower.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: saras21 Date: 13-11-2007, 13:39	What does it mean about the 21th/22th place? any change?

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: badgerboy Date: 13-11-2007, 15:37	Saras For the Champions League - no change whatsoever. But if the UEFA Cup changes as they are perceived at the moment are accepted then 21st & 22nd will be irrelevant as the line for "four teams per country" will drop to No. 26. I refer again to Bert's provisional access list from the front page of the site.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: Aliceag Date: 13-11-2007, 15:40	The national TV just broadcasted the New proposal with a very interesting nuance: They said: 1-3 3 places + 1 QR 4-6 2 places + 1 QR 7-12 1 place + 2 QR This is very important for middle countries: TWO places in QR for 7-12, that means, that 7-12 can eventually achieve 3 teams in CL group stage which was impossible by now. Good news for Portugal, after our fall!...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 13-11-2007, 16:24

Hmmm, interesting...

There do seem to be some "misinterpretations" of yesterday's announcement - the Bulgarian one that it means direct access for 21 Champions being a prime one.

But this is at least slightly interesting.

I don't see it being 100% right - as I'd be a bit surprised if the "non-Champions qualifiers" were to contain more than 16 teams - and this Portuguese news suggests 18.

But certainly a 3rd team from countries 7 & 8 rather than a second from No. 15 & 16 or maybe 7,8,9 & 10 rather than 13,14,15 & 16 might make sense.

From a "diplomatic" perspective certainly countries 7 & 8 appear to be the biggest "losers" at the moment so giving them two teams in the qualifiers doesn't seem unreasonable. 9 & 10 (9 especially) - you could use the same argument. 11 & 12 I'd be very very surprised -since they are already gaining a direct CL spot.

Would countries 13-16 happily give up the "possibility" of a second CL spot for the much easier chance of at least one that the new format provides? Maybe they would.

Re: Champions League proposals
Author: putzeijs Date: 13-11-2007, 16:53	If this last idea would become reallity, .... . Then place 13 would be the worst place to have/ the gap between 12 to 13 would be exeptional big. No direct entrance, No second team. Where the 12th would have 1 fur shure, and 2 possible!! Guess wich coutry will be 13th at the end of this year? Mine ;(