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Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: psw Date: 08-06-2007, 14:21	The Scottish Premier League will oppose plans to allow cup winners into the Champions League at the expense of league-qualified teams. http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_2174919,00.html

Author: Francisco
Date: 08-06-2007, 15:03

I think Scotland is right. Right now they have 2 spots that are given to the best 2 teams in the league (i think these teams are 99.99% sure to be Celtic and Rangers every season) and if they lose one of these places to a Cup Winner (that could be a very low-ranked team in the league, like could've had happened this season) that may be a very low-ranked team in UEFA teams ranking, they could lose their present seeded status for both teams.

Anyway, in any case I think it's ridiculous to put a cup winner ahed of 2nd placed team in any league. (Also in my opinion the Cup winner should be always the lowest entry for europe, since it's in the league that you see who's been good the entire season, while in the cup luck's factor is more important).

If Platini is going to give a shot for Cup Winners at CL entrance, than it shouldn't be done at the expense of current qualified teams. It should be an extra! Maybe cup winners could enter in the 1st or 2nd qualifying round, but this shouldn't take out other teams that worked the entire season to grab a got place in their leagues.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: psw Date: 08-06-2007, 15:34	I think that such centralized UEFA support of national cup winner is rather actifical. It seems to me that NFA should range their teams within the country quote. The precise meaning of this ranging can be different in different countries.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: skivaz Date: 08-06-2007, 15:51	maybe the best solution is leaving to each country the decision if alowing the Cup winner to the spot in CL, maybe in the qualification round. In Italy for example would be nice if the cup winner would replace the 4th team in the Serie A.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: moro Date: 08-06-2007, 17:00	Didnt they (FIGC) announced it like that (cup-winner in CL in 2009) two months ago?

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: nelster Date: 08-06-2007, 17:17	I don't see how UEFA can stipulate the CL entry regulations (even though it is their competition :-)) At the moment proposing teams for the UEFA Cup is the responsibility of the Domestic FA. For example in England the league cup winners enter the UEFA Cup In Scotland they do not. It is the associations choice.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: eldaec Date: 08-06-2007, 18:45	Hopefully after a few more months in the job Platini won't feel the need to keep on spouting rubbish every time someone puts a microphone in front of him. This is what happens when people elect a celebrity into an administrator's position. I don't think anyone here really needs telling that this proposal will not happen any time in the foreseeable future.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 08-06-2007, 19:11

nelster, that's not true. See art. 1.03 of the UC regulations:

"In special circumstances, the winners of another official domestic competition may be entered for the UEFA Cup instead of the lowest ranking top domestic league championship representative, provided such a competition has been approved by UEFA before the start of the season in question."

Otherwise, under current law, UEFA determines the rules.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: abzpablo Date: 11-06-2007, 10:52	This rule makes sense for countries with 3 or more CL slots. It would certainly help the cup competitions in England, Italy, Spain etc gain much more prestige. But please, WINNERS only - no runners-up

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 11-06-2007, 11:04

It would certainly help the cup competitions in England, Italy, Spain etc gain much more prestige

yes and this was apparently more a request from local FAs rather than UEFA to include cup winners into the Champions League.
In most countries, if not all, a qualification to the Champions League becomes much much more important than a win in the local cup. This doesn't mean that local cups were not prestigious anymore, but some teams could be tempted to give the priority to the league, rather than on the cups.
Giving access to the Champions League to the cup winner would definitely be a huge incentive for all clubs and thus would help local FAs re-gain (or simply gain in some countries) some prestige.

This is obvious to me too that runners-up shouldn't get that priviledge.

Author: moro
Date: 11-06-2007, 13:22
Edited by: moro
at: 11-06-2007, 13:24

Here my point about why Cups lost (partially) interest and prestige:
1 - the main one, most of the time cup-matches are intercalated wednesday, between two ch-ship rounds; for teams playing european cups also, (25-33% of teams from principals countries) this is embarrassing, little teams are very concerned about relegation, dont want to risk an injury.
2 - because of reason 1, top teams arent playing best players.
3 - it's a good reason to explain failures. When you lost, you say the cup wasnt interresting; if you win it's ok. Most of times it's a ridiculous explanation, because if one team dont want to win the cup, they just have to play first round with junior team.

So the cup became like a prostitute that everybody wants if free, only few are deperates enough to pay something for it. You can understand that such kind a woman lost some of her prestige

but is still out on the market.

Of course, if Uefa invest something in esthetic surgery, the "lady" will be so attractive, that mens will lose their brains.

Re: Scotland vs Platini proposal
Author: SHEV Date: 12-06-2007, 10:43	UEFA shouldn't have canceled CWC. In the end it didn't make UEFA Cup more attractive like they planned, and made national cups even more boring.

Author: abzpablo
Date: 12-06-2007, 14:46

I loved the CWC - hey my team even won it once!

However when Aberdeen did win in 83, the other quarter-finalists were...

Bayern Munich
Real Madrid
Austria Vienna
Inter Milan
Waterschei (now Racing Genk)
Barcelona
Paris Saint Germain

Compare that with the QFs in the latter years e.g. 97-98

Roda
Vicenza
Slavia Prague
VfB Stuttgart
AEK Athens
Lokomotiv Moscow
Real Betis
Chelsea (the pre Abramovich version)

The tournament died due to CL expansion, with runners-up and sometimes semi-finalists become much more common entrants.

Merging into the UEFA Cup wasn't ideal - but now they have groups in the UEFA Cup, you could argue that would become more attractive to clubs financially than any new version of the CWC.