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Author: OMfan
Date: 27-11-2006, 14:41

I'm french and in my country, nobody talks about uefa country ranking or team ranking.My friends don't care but they are footballs fans.
In the most popular french newspaper they're talking about this twice a year.
The Fans are not interest in anymore (except severals of them on this forum like lyonnais).
Is it different in other countries?Romania for example.Probably if i look at the romanian on this forum.
Second issue:
I don't think coeff has any influence on matches.I mean the teams never wants to win a match cause they could help their country to climb or try to be seeded the year after.They don't care and just want to qualify.
Referee don't care too etc.

Author: antonio62tr
Date: 27-11-2006, 14:52
Edited by: antonio62tr
at: 27-11-2006, 15:22

Similar in Turkiye too...Anybody knows anything about coefficients including players, coaches, journalists etc...Maybe 1 or 2 journalist know and write 1 or 2 times a year...Actually european cups is thought far away things from Turkish clubs...so domestic games are more popular here...
Fenerbahce-Galatasaray game is this weekend and it is spoken everywhere, although there are UC games this week...

Author: lazio
Date: 27-11-2006, 15:14
Edited by: lazio
at: 27-11-2006, 15:15

Two years ago nobody seem to be interested in coeficients issue. All the madness started with the unusual rising of our coeficient. Normally this issue was debated once a year in sports press. Now the "thing" is put on paper once a month...with titles like: "we are still firsts" above England, Spain and Italy. - made more impact if put in the titles those countries below us...etc. In fact, it started to be boring...all I care right now is a victory from Rapid over Panathinaikos, cause I think Rapid have a strong team for european spring. And I still hope...

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: dragos_popa17 Date: 27-11-2006, 15:40	Spain, Italy, England or France are Europe's top teams and it's not likely they could lose those positions. Germany was strong too, but with their position threatned, they're starting to talk about it. I think the more it affects you, the more you talk about it.

Author: izztupido
Date: 27-11-2006, 16:03
Edited by: izztupido
at: 27-11-2006, 16:10

I think that people who are football fans here in Portugal, care about this matter. As i say in other posts, our country will never be in a confortable position. I believe that we always be in ups and downs (scoring good points with less teams) and struggling to stay in a position with more teams, because apart from the "Big Three" (Benfica, Sporting and FC Porto) there is no real team that can perform in a consistent way in UEFA Cup, year after year. Well they can, but losing all games... Thats consistent, but in the wrong way.

Because we had our National League Winner in CL-QR3 (and failling to reach group stage of CL. Sporting was eliminated by Inter Milão), some years ago, i think that football fans, are pretty aware of what could happen with bad results in European competitions, i.e. Domesctic Champion in CL-QR3, runner-up in UEFA Cup, 3rd spot the same and Cup Winner getting the forth place (and also at UEFA Cup), and thats all. This was the scenario in turn of the century and, i think hardy we go lower than that. And our position now, is as far as we can get, in my opinion.

With 3 daily sports newspappers (although i have some difficulty in calling that to 2 of them) UEFA renkings are often mentioned (usually after a round of European games) and in this moment, i think that football fans are pretty aware of the fact that Romania can (and probably will) overtake us even before the end of the season, and to stay where we are, i think the only solution is to overtake Germany, and thats not an easy task at all, to a small and poor country. But in football everything is possible

Author: badgerboy
Date: 27-11-2006, 16:08

"I think the more it affects you, the more you talk about it".

I think that's probably about right though I still don't recall much coefficient talk in England after the ban in the eighties - when club numbers increased with our rise back up the rankings.

On the other hand I was surprised when I was in Portugal (five or six years ago now) that a few people I met were well aware of the significance of their 10th place in the rankings (with regard to the identity of the CL winner affecting their automatic group stage spot).

In England noone appears interested in coefficients. The odd article along the lines of "how the hell do they work this out" once or twice a year in what used to be the broadsheet press. I've been a subscriber to World Soccer magazine for over 10 years now too & even they very rarely mention coefficients - I do recall a number of "explaining the system" articles in the early years though. I'll be interested to see if they report (or comment on) Rummenigge's recent criticism of the system.

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 27-11-2006, 16:35
Edited by: Lyonnais
at: 27-11-2006, 18:16

OMfan makes the assumption that football fans are not interested in coefficients in France. Well, that's true to some extent, but:
- update in UEFA coefficients is mentioned in France Football after a European week (ok, it's written in little characters in the middle of the resuts of the CAF or the CONCACAF Champions League results, but it's available).
- and every year, most football fans ask why this or that team is seeded or not and the issue of coefficients is raised. They are not interested in how the coefficients are calculated but they clearly see the effect of coefficients in the next European campaigns.

Typical example: after OM was defeated in UEFA Cup 1st round this year, most Marseille fans were truely pretty satisfied (at least not annoyed), saying that their squad was not not deep enough to play everything and that it was better to concentrate on the league.

I disagree with that analysis but I might understand the logic.
However, when you explain them that being eliminated in UEFA 1st round might send OM in the 4th spot in the next Champions League (should Marseille be able to qualify), most of them understand how annoying it can be.

Author: ubik
Date: 27-11-2006, 19:28

Greece:
After each european match day papers publish the current UEFA country ranking. Some athletic websites (e.g. sport-fm.gr, supersport.gr)have a link in their homepage to this site. Even during the european matches some radio stations talk about the current position of Greece in the rankings. Most of the journalists and people don't know the way of the calculation, but this is another story...

Author: modano
Date: 27-11-2006, 20:44

In Belgium, people are starting to get interested in the rankings.

I remember a few years ago, when we had 2 teams in the CL prelim. for the first time, that a Belgian newspaper (for those interested Het Laatste Nieuws) wrote an article about the qualifying chances of Bruges and Genk to the CL GS.
For Bruges they wrote: "it is hard assume that Bruges will be seeded in Q3, as they have little or no history in the CL". By that time however it was clear that Bruges would be seeded.

On the Bruges-forum, there is a whole topic about the rankings (of course just focused on Bruges and Belgium). I notice a lot of fans are really curious about the rankings and calculations, but they know little about the subject (bonus points, how to calculate the team-ranking of country-ranking, etc.).

Also my colleague visits and posts often on this forum. It is thanks to him that i registered, because i was just a frequent visitor in the past. Oh yes my colleague's name is 'Yveske123'.

Author: porto-1978
Date: 27-11-2006, 22:44
Edited by: porto-1978
at: 27-11-2006, 22:47

In Portugal people know that there are a ranking but almost nobody really knows how it works and pay atention to that. coefficient is not a usual word to be used in football here. And ranking meaning is always country ranking, we never heard about the clubs ranking and the possibilities of being or not seeded. Sometimes people and even people related directly to football say things showing they know nothing about coef?s. But in one sport e-magazine the news about the updated ranking became normal in last 2 seasons, showing more interest in the matter. Still, referee decisions are still the favourite subjects and other stuff i get sick of...

Author: SHEV
Date: 27-11-2006, 22:56
Edited by: SHEV
at: 27-11-2006, 22:56

In Ukraine coef mania started about 2 years ago. Now after each matchday you can find fresh rankin in most of sports press, after several you will find analysis of current situation. In the end of the season press following seeding position for clubs next year and what kind of results should happen for Dynamo or Shakhtar became seeded in 3-rd CL round.

I suppose that Romania and Ukraine are most obsessed of UEFA rankings. At least for ukraine I can say for sure. Lately of course this obsession turned down a bit because it wasn't really much points to count =) Now we back on track =)

Author: walter-wade
Date: 28-11-2006, 01:17
Edited by: walter-wade
at: 28-11-2006, 01:23

In Turkey;people who think they interest in football including journalists,coaches,players or anybody who eats bread from this sector even don't know what the coefficient means.Me, as a person whose life is depanding on these things don't regard to the television's sports programs only and only for the unconsciousness of people.For instance 3 days ago by making zapping on my television, i did hear an important and shaming saying from one of the best journalists of Turkey whose name is not utile.He said that Kayserispor that came from Inter-Toto cup to the Uefa cup this season even made gain many points to Turkey in its Inter-toto games so things that it did in Uefa wasn't too important thanks to these points in Inter-Toto

))))))Another one said that Turkey's national teams games are very important in the way of 2008 qualification because these all points will impact our club teams in Europe so that we will be able to participate with more teams to CL in the previous years. After these sentences, i thought one moment to move from this country by imagining i don't fit here

)
tu comprends la situation de Turquie Marseillaise?

Author: OMfan
Date: 28-11-2006, 08:28

@dragos
You're right, i think it's the Key,the more you're affected by the coeff the more you are interested in.
I guess that every country who make an important progress in the ranking would talk about it(for exemple the fantastic rise of romania).
Between the places 1 to 5 there is not al lot of change since the actual system exist so people are not interest in.
If france overtake italy(i don't think so,it's just an example), in those country sport newspaper will probably make important noise about it cause there is a big difference between the third end fourth place.
Let's see what will happen in germany, if they lose their third spot in CL QR3 coeff will probably become an important issue!!
Is there a german here?Newspaper still talk about it?
@Lyonnais you can't really say that coeff are mentionned cause there is one line in "france football" at the end.It become a real issue if there is an half page in lequipe or FF for exemple.But yoou're right if you want to know you can find the information.

Author: antonio62tr
Date: 28-11-2006, 08:45

walter-wade

Nice to see one more guy from Turkey..He write similar things with me and i can add some more...Here sport programs became comedy shows by the time because spokesman does not know anything about european football...Only some young ones good at this point...For old ones you can see they always comparing Istanbul teams with Chelsea, Man Utd or Milan...Thats stg we want but it is still far far away from current situation...

Author: executor
Date: 28-11-2006, 08:53

The first time I heard about coefficients was in the autumn of 2003 right after the game Shakhtar-Dinamo 2-3 (2nd leg). At the end of the game the comentators said something like: "Not only the qalifying is important but also the victory of Dinamo, because we desperately need points in the UEFA ranking". Short time after that my room mate found Bert's site and I saw for the first time the "famous" coefficient ranking

. At that time we were fighting for 26th spot with Hungary and we were losing

. But despite of that I started visiting this site regulary.

The newspaper I'm subscribed to for more than 10 years never had anything about coefficients untill the fabulous performance of last year. Ever since then after each European MD they show tables with our position and, form this year, the results of the Dutch and Portuguese teams. The headline of the article is usually "The gap between us and Portugal is decreasing" The TV sport journals focus on the fact that we are first in this year's ranking and Steaua, Dinamo or Rapid are placed higher in the Team Coefficients List than teams that are CL regulars (when was the case).

Also noteworthy: before the 2nd leg of Nacional Madeira-Rapid, Viorel Moldovan, said that they want to win in order to help Romania overtake Portugal in the rankings!! Plus the coaches of Rapid, Dinamo and Steaua have expressed many times the desire to win points for the country. Don't know if they really belive that, but at least they're saying it.

In the end I must write about the irritation of Steaua's owner when he sees that Dinamo is close to the direct qualifying in CLGS. He knows that Steaua had a large contribution to that (doesn't know how but he knows they have) and it's killing him: "I lay the table and Dinamo just come, sit and eat". Someone should tell him Rapid also contributed significantly...

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: ignjat63 Date: 28-11-2006, 09:04	In Serbia people and the media are cofficient-aware but would not bother with the details, what-if analysis or predictions. It is absolutely impossible that anyone would ask "What would it take so that Serbia has 2 teams in CL?" That would be too much of a bother. So everybody is content to wait for UEFAs official announcements.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your count
Author: thomas Date: 28-11-2006, 11:16	In Germany it is a matter of interest only for few people, who are interested both in football and in maths (like me ;-). In the sports section of the main newspapers the coefficients are nearly never mentioned, but the main football magazine Kicker publishes the country ranking 4 or 5 times a year with an analysing article.

Author: apw
Date: 28-11-2006, 11:30

I think badgerboy sums up the apathy in England.

The situation is not helped by the ignorance of the popular press (ie) tabloids.
I have spent hours trying to explain coeffients to friends and work colleagues but at the end of the day they prefer the quicker option of reading those papers etc.

All people see is things like How can Chelsea not be in pot A ?
I am a Chelsea fan yet i realise it takes a lot of years to achieve those objectives, although as i have said before even the system baffles me when Arsenal who before last year were perennial failures continued to make POT A.

Obviously they benefitted from a season in UEFA CUP maybe that is what Chelsea needs, even we can't win CL then drop in Uefa Cup, win that and earn enough points to reach Pot A.

Author: panda
Date: 28-11-2006, 12:08

In England (maybe island mentality still), we can be pretty unclear about foreign COUNTRIES, let alone their CITIES where the football teams come from. Therefore, as badger and apw are saying, because England is static in the top 3, so the same numebr fo teams qulaify each year in the same positions, no-one knows a thing about co-efficients.

I mean, look at posters on this forum- relative to the population, there are more Scots than English. Relative to the importance of the football, there are very few Italians and Spanish members; as I've said before, one reason I got deeply in this forum is that it IS in English, so v easy to write on it!

Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-11-2006, 12:15

"Also noteworthy: before the 2nd leg of Nacional Madeira-Rapid, Viorel Moldovan, said that they want to win in order to help Romania overtake Portugal in the rankings!! Plus the coaches of Rapid, Dinamo and Steaua have expressed many times the desire to win points for the country. Don't know if they really belive that, but at least they're saying it".

Executor - I'm not sure if it was you or someone else who wrote something similar in the past. I do find it fascinating that club officials in Romania even notice such things. Assuming Dinamo do enough against Leverkusen to be qualified it would be fascinating to see the affect such an attitude might have on the Tottenham game. For English clubs I'm sure it's a case of - "We're qualified. That's it" Maybe a bit of "We want to win the group" - though more in the CL than the UEFA Cup & even then I don't think the commitment can be as intense once qualification is achieved.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: panda Date: 28-11-2006, 12:31	@badgerboy. Interesting - let's say an English club WANTED to help the co-efficient; the perceived gain would be much smaller than the cost of not resting key players etc. Because England would have to have some terrible results to drop to 4th, and there's no advantage being 2nd rather than 3rd, or 1st rather than 2nd.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-11-2006, 13:34

In Holland it is sometimes mentioned, though not really with a lot of context. Sometime whe a CL or UC match is being played the commentator says it's good to win to get points for the Uefa ranking. But it's not mentioned where we are and what the possibilities are. This season it was mentioned that PSV win over Galatasaray was good because Turkey was a direct opponent for the Netherlands, so they are also not up to date.
On the website of a popular footbalmagazine(vi) after each week of european matches the coefficients are published, with some comments on it.
And finally I see once or twice a year in an opinion magazine(Elsevier) an article about the coeficents, that is up to date and correct, with headings like " will Netherlands lose their 6 teams in Europe", etc.

With my colleaguesand friends, the ones that are also interested in football, I never talk about the coefficients, they know they exist, but don't follow it closely.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-11-2006, 14:21

"Interesting - let's say an English club WANTED to help the co-efficient; the perceived gain would be much smaller than the cost of not resting key players etc".

Panda - I wasn't really thinking about the country coefficient. Any gain there would indeed be so small as to be irrelevant. And even in the case of team coefficients in England (and everywhere else except it seems possibly Romania) it wouldn't even be an issue.

But take for example Tottenham - very borderline right now for seeding in CLQR3 (should they get there). One more win would put them above Rosenborg for example. Imagine they field a reserve team against Dinamo & lose to a more "coefficient hungry" team. They finish second in the group & draw Werder in the last 32. Two narrow defeats follow. They go on to finish 4th in the Premier League (they are only two points behind Liverpool so this is quite feasible) but miss the seeding line by a couple of points. Then of course they draw a team like Milan or Sevilla & it's curtains...

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: walter-wade Date: 28-11-2006, 17:10	antonio62tr, which team do u support?i am asking just because of my curiousity (sorry if i go remote from the main topic)...

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your count
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 28-11-2006, 21:20 Edited by: 5UCLGSteams at: 28-11-2006, 21:22	I wonder would it be a fair ranking if we would just count how many registered(not necessarily active) users/country there are on this forum? I do not think that we would have an error of more than 1-5% and it would also give one more answer to this interesting question. Anyone has some statistics about this?

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: Ricardo Date: 28-11-2006, 22:47	I guess that's a bit teporary - I mean 2 years ago this forum hardly kneew any Romanian mamber, and now it looks like half of the members are... But maybe looking at it taking into account the last 5 years of this forum might be interesting, though I don't thinkn it is known where all members come from (every now and then a topic appears about this subject)

Author: krasste
Date: 29-11-2006, 02:58

Still no comment from any German here, so ill do now

Im Coef interested for a couple of years now and im very(!) interested in romanian football since 1994. I was waiting for a lil breakthrough of the romanian teams quite a long time and last year after the 5:0 (?) victory of Dinamo over Everton i talked to some football interested friends about a possible rising of Romania. I was maybe even more optimistic than some romanians here

Though nobody was interested. Today i was out and people asked me the first time how all this works and if Romania will overtake us etc and if we will lose the 3rd CL-Spot. After the interview of Rummenigge everybody knows whats going on, but the papers still do not report about it. But you may read comments from players like: "We will fight for the 5-year-ranking" or similar, mostly from Frankfurt

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your count
Author: OMfan Date: 29-11-2006, 08:02	Krasste Interesting, I guess more and more german would look at the coef this season if germany fight to keep his 3rd spot in CL!

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: executor Date: 29-11-2006, 08:15	Interview in today's paper with Rudi Voller, executive manager of Bayer: "Reporter: Romania and Germany are engaged in a tight duel in the UEFA coefficient ranking R.V.: I know that and that's why the game with Dinamo it's a good opportunity to get some points for that ranking as well" So the Germans are really starting to pay attention to the coefficients.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: blackbull Date: 29-11-2006, 09:34	In Scotland the journalistic knowledge of the co-efficents is pathetic. The fact we are in 11th spot battling it out with Belgium and Ukraine for 10th spot never gets a mention. I believe that they don't even know the significance of 10th spot. People i know myself are now asking how the rankings are going after every Euro week but as for the Scots media woosh! Way over their heads.

Author: panda
Date: 29-11-2006, 12:07

Of course it will be the case that if the co-eff a) affects you more and/or b) you are rising in the ranking table, you will be drawn to this site as an effect of your co-eff interest. So it's reasonable to expect a lot of Romanians here during these seasons- also, as I said on an old thread somwhere, it's a good place to celebrate your coefficient rise.

Overall however, outside this forum, (and this is also kind of a reply to badgerboy) I suspect that for a team, the success of 1 game or 1 tie is far more immediate and emotional (as well as practical) than any calculation about future co-efficient.

Again, as often, I can draw the analogy with tennis.

During the tennis season you hear all the time stuff like 'If X wins Y match, then s/he is seeded in the next Grand Slam tournament / gets to No 1 / gets to the top 10 etc etc. But here, the rankings are published each week, and they are personal only. And they immediately affect seedings in the next tournament. So all the time, a player will be checking where they are. Here, Man U, for example, will not give a stuff if they have suddenly gone below Newcastle in UEFA team ranking; the one they check is the EPL league table

Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-11-2006, 13:04

Panda

I totally agree with your comments.

My only question is if in a few, purely team ranking related instances, clubs should pay more attention than they do.

Of course coefficients aren't a good reason to motivate players (much less so even than the importance of finishing positions in a group once a team has qualified) though they might give the fans a bit more reason to care if they only understood a bit better.

The press coming out of Germany on the Dinamo/Leverkusen game is fascinating. The game is live on DSF (still available on analogue satellite the last time I checked) so I'll definitely be giving it a look.

Blackbull - actually I was a bit surprised with regard to your comments about Scotland. There are a few pretty good articles in the news section of this site which originated from "The Scotsman". These all show a fair understanding of the system & it's possible affect on Scottish teams.

Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 29-11-2006, 16:29

Badgerboy / Blackbull

I also remember reading an article last year, as Scotland was in danger of losing its 10th position, about the importance of the spot. So I was also under the impression that people in Scotland were quite aware of how the coefficient system works.

Talking about Moldova, I presume that the only people that are actually interested in coefficients are me and Serge, but I try to keep my friends updated on Romania's status, as Moldova's does not change much.

So, I guess, once a country's position change affects the number of teams (or the Cups that they qualify to, and rounds) of that country, more people would get interested. This was proven by Romania, due to there progress, as well as Germany, due to their potential decline.

Author: ferdi
Date: 30-11-2006, 10:53

executor wrote:

{i>Interview in today's paper with Rudi Voller, executive manager of Bayer:

"Reporter: Romania and Germany are engaged in a tight duel in the UEFA coefficient ranking

R.V.: I know that and that's why the game with Dinamo it's a good opportunity to get some points for that ranking as well"

So the Germans are really starting to pay attention to the coefficients.{/i>

Well, what would you expect Völler to answer?

The true answer has been given by the team yesterday. I don't see any deeper interest in the coeffs in Germany. There have been some notes in the press about the Romanian threat in the context of yesterday's match, but this was only what Germans would call "driving another sow through the thorpe".

Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 30-11-2006, 11:37

@ ferdi

i think the same way but maybe its the fact that hertha and schalke are in good shape NOW and not 2 months ago when they lost in the uefa cup, while HSV did nothing in UCL and leverkussen is a very bad team this year (until now)

romania has a uefa cup coeficient that propulsed us on 7 th place but i dont know if germany should blame the sistem they got hertha, eintracht, schalke and leverkussen in uefa cup and did nothing, is is exclusevly theyr fault. if bayern or werder would play in the uefa cup germany would probably do the same thing gaining lots of points in this competition but very few in UCL with the other teams....

Author: macles
Date: 30-11-2006, 12:07

In Germany there is tremendous interest. I don't understand some of the earlier comments stating the opposite. German tv are perfectly aware of the situation and understand that if portugal and Rumania get by germany, that Germany has 2 CL places instead of 3. Every football match in the UEFA Cup or the CL is preceeded by a discussion of the coefficients, and usually a table showing the standings.

Last nights game (Bayer vs. Bucharest) led to a long debate about the situation. Following the game, the commentator spent 2 minutes lamenting the state of the Bundesliga in international games and quoting that out of 9 games in the UC so far, the German teams have won 1. And also saying that the Bundesliga clubs have to look long and hard at themselves to address the problems they have.

I'm english (though I live in Germany). In England, I doubt 0.01% of football fans even know what the club coefficients are. But then with the current standings, they won't have to worry about them for a good 4-5 years at least. In any case, they are NEVER mentioned there (except perhaps occasionally to note the difficulties of the Bundesliga - the UK press has never been able to resist Schadenfreude).

Author: ferdi
Date: 30-11-2006, 12:38
Edited by: ferdi
at: 30-11-2006, 13:24

{i>Every football match in the UEFA Cup or the CL is preceeded by a discussion of the coefficients, and usually a table showing the standings.{/i>

What a strange statement. It is true, but only since last week. In other words: It is true so far for exactly one match, the match Dinamo vs. Leverkusen. Those tables have never been showed before, and I can assure you that the whole topic will be forgotten as quick as it came up.

Moreover, the only aspect that is currently discussed in the media is that more bad results for the German teams may lead to the loss of one CL place. This is more or less trivial and easy to understand. But I wouldn't call that an interest in the coefficient system itself.

In other words, the discussion is more about the bad results from German teams, and not about the coefficient system. The potential loss of a CL spot is just the right occasion for a discussion about the quality of the Bundesliga.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: saras21 Date: 30-11-2006, 14:39	In Israel nobody talk about this...sometimes on tv they say something

Author: macles
Date: 30-11-2006, 15:03

ferdi, there has been discussion of the ongoing coefficient situation throughout the CL group stages. And what else can the discussion be about other than where a country is placed and how many spots in european competition it can expect to receive?

Anyway, German tv is worried by the fact that a CL place may be lost. Quite right too. And yes, this certainly is the right time to discuss poor quality performances from the Bundesligisten ....

Author: krasste
Date: 30-11-2006, 15:07

Word @Ferdi here. It was the first time i have seen this :D Though the commentator did not really know what he was talking about... One win in UC so far? I maybe dont remember all the scores but Schalke, Frankfurt and Leverkusen too had one win each for sure :P
But I think this will not be a temporal phenomenon. Next year it will be about the fall to P9 maybe? ;D At least it was mentioned the first time, because the situation is very close and Germany in a bad position to keep a top 6 spot.

Author: ferdi
Date: 30-11-2006, 15:47
Edited by: ferdi
at: 30-11-2006, 15:48

macles wrote:

{i>And what else can the discussion be about other than where a country is placed and how many spots in european competition it can expect to receive?{/i>

You are obviously new in this forum.

krasste wrote:

{i>But I think this will not be a temporal phenomenon. Next year it will be about the fall to P9 maybe? ;D At least it was mentioned the first time, because the situation is very close and Germany in a bad position to keep a top 6 spot.{/i>

Believe me, once the Germans start a discussion that they have to improve, they will improve. There are promising teams with young players like Berlin and Stuttgart, maybe Dortmund, and last but not least, FC Cologne will be back in Europe 2008/2009.

Author: huette
Date: 30-11-2006, 16:41

In Germany, the people are more and more interested in the ranking because they are near to lose the third champions league place. Some weeks ago there was a big report in a newspaper. And as you all know, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge critisized the coefficients. Yesterday during the match of Dinamo vs Leverkusen, the commentator speaked about the ranking very often and said that the Germans don't have to wonder about their position, if the performances are so bad as this time.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your count
Author: ferdi Date: 30-11-2006, 17:04	huette wrote: {i>And as you all know, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge critisized the coefficients.{/i> Well, indeed, Rummenigge criticized the coefficients. But he was so far the only one. Everybody else criticizes the German teams. See the difference? It should really be pointed out again that Rummenigge's job is in Germany commonly regarded as to produce hot air. The boss of Bayern is Uli Hoeneß.

Author: huette
Date: 30-11-2006, 18:03

Yeah, you're right. He really produces only hot air...but with his statement he caused attention and suddenly a lot of newspapers reported about the country ranking. But as you said correctly, all criticism concentrates on the bad performances, especially by Hertha Berlin and Schalke. But in my opinion, it's not enough attention. It must be more, that the teams recognize, what they're doing with their poor performances. I think, the german teams recognize it till the third champions league place is lost...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 30-11-2006, 18:19

Do people in Germany really think Schalke played that badly in the UEFA Cup?

For me they just came across a pretty decent team who were having a good day & lost. This happens sometimes.

I'd say Frankfurt are in a similar situation. They're not playing that badly (at least in Europe) just happen to have a very tough draw.

All criticism of Hertha, Leverkusen & Hamburg on the other hand is pretty well deserved.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: oxtales Date: 30-11-2006, 18:29	In Denmark people are only interested in the coefficients when it have consequence for the number of teams in the European tournaments. Otherwise it's too complicated for the average footballfan to understand the system. This autumn there have been a lot of focus on the coefficients because of the actual national ranking.

Author: huette
Date: 30-11-2006, 18:37
Edited by: huette
at: 30-11-2006, 18:38

@badgerboy: Well, I also think, that Schalke were very unfortunate to play against Nancy in the first round. You're right, that they came across a pretty decent team.
But the people in Germany are often very arrogantly in such themes. They thought: "Nancy - I don't know them. They were some years ago in the second french league -> Schalke must beat them easily".

Nobody really recognizes, that european cup football is more balanced then 10 or 20 years ago...So I criticize only Hertha, Leverkusen and Hamburg. Moreover Schalke reached last years UEFA Cup semifinal and catched many points in that season.

Frankfurt doesn't play bad this european season. You must see that they only reached the UEFA-Cup because of their participation in last years cup final. In the league, they fight against relegation and don't have the quality to win a lot of games in Europe. For them, the only aim was to reach the group stage. And against Palermo, they lost very unfortunate. Maybe they can beat Newcastle tonight, but I don't think so.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: badgerboy Date: 30-11-2006, 23:15	Huette I didn't see much of tonight's game but it seems that Frankfurt were extremely unlucky again. Newcastle seem to be living a charmed life in Europe this year.

Re: Are people interested in coeffic in your countrie?
Author: huette Date: 01-12-2006, 12:11	Yeah, Frankfurt played very well, but they missed to score goals ;-) They had some great chances particularly by greek forward Ioannis Amanatidis and german midfielder Albert Streit. Newcastle nearly defended the whole game and had only chances by some counter attacks. Maybe Frankfurt can reach the next round but it will be very tough to win at Fenerbahce.