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UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: luksus Date: 03-10-2006, 15:24	SURVEY: 1. Which group is the strongest? 2. Who will take 1st place in each group? MY ANSWERS: 1. Group H (Newcastle, Celta, Palermo, Fenerbahce, Eintracht) 2. Auxerre (a), Tottenham (b), Sevilla (c), Osasuna (d), Blackburn (e), Ajax (f), Panathinaikos (g), Palermo (h) THANK YOU FOR VOTING IN ADVANCE ;>

Author: Ricardo
Date: 03-10-2006, 15:37

1. H
2. Auxerre, Tottenham, Sevilla,Parma,Blackburn,Ajax,PSG,Palermo

Dutch teams:
AZ: Has as Dinamo B. last match away against strongest (already qualified) team. Braga best chances for qualification. First match =....AZ-Braga!
Heerenveen. Their hopes are that before last match Lens is qualified. This is possible as Lens receives Parma and Osasuna. Heerenveen needs to get a point agaisnst either of these 2 away.
Feyenoord:Blackburn is my favorite in this group. Feyenoord has to visit Basel and Nancy, the other 2 contenders (I don't think Wisla can), so has to score points in away games. Hard, but the teams are not the greatest.
Ajax: receives Espanyol, the greatest rival for the first spot. Zulte might benefit from a not inspired Ajax.

Author: TzarSamuil
Date: 03-10-2006, 15:41

IMHO the strongest group is group H

My predictions for the outcome of the groupstage is
Group A
1.Auxerre
2.Maccabi
3.Partizan
4.Rangers
5.Livorno

Group B
1.Tottenham
2.Besiktas
3.Dinamo B
4.Leverkusen
5.Brugge

Group C
1.Sevilla
2.AZ
3.Liberec
4.Grasshoper
5.Braga

Group D
1.Lens
2.Osasuna
3.Parma
4.Odense
5.Heerenveen

Group E
1.Nancy
2.Blackburn
3.Feyenoord
4.Basel
5.Wisla

Group F
1.Ajax
2.Sparta
3.Austria
4.Espanyol
5.Zulte

Group G
1.Rapid B
2.Hapoel
3.Mlada Boleslav
4.Panathinaikos
5.PSG

Group H
1.Palermo
2.Fenerbahce
3.Celta
4.Newcastle
5.Eintracht

Author: galatasaray
Date: 03-10-2006, 16:14

My Predictions

Group A
1.Auxerre
2.Livorno
3.Maccabi
4.Rangers
5.Partizan

Group B
1.Tottenham
2.Dinamo B.
3.Beţiktaţ
4.Leverkusen
5.Brugge

Group C
1.Sevilla
2.AZ
3.Grasshoppers
4.Liberec
5.Braga

Group D
1.Lens
2.Parma
3.Osasuna
4.Heerenveen
5.Odense

Group E
1.Feyenord
2.Blackburn
3.Basel
4.Nancy
5.Wisla

Group F
1.Ajax
2.Austira Wien
3.Espanyol
4.Sparta
5.Zulte

Group G
1.PSG
2.Rapid B.
3.Mlada Boleslav
4.Panathinaikos
5.Hapoel

Group H
1.Palermo
2.Newcastle
3.Celta
4.Frankfurt
5.Fenerbahce

Author: spartaan
Date: 03-10-2006, 16:38

Group A
1.Auxerre
2.Livorno
3.rangers
4.Maccabi
5.Partizan

Group B
1.Tottenham
2.Brugge.
3.Leverkusen
4.Besiktas
5.Dinamo

Group C
1.Sevilla
2.AZ
3.Grasshoppers
4.Liberec
5.Braga

Group D
1.Lens
2.Osasuna
3.Heerenveen
4.Parma
5.Odense

Group E

1.Blackburn
2.Basel
3.Nancy
4.Feyenoord
5.Wisla

Group F
1.Ajax
2.Austria Wien
3.Espanyol
4.Sparta
5.Zulte

Group G
1.PSG
2.Rapid B.
3.Mlada Boleslav
4.Panathinaikos
5.Hapoel

Group H
1.Newcastle
2.Celta
3.Frankfurt
4.Fenerbahce
5. Palermo

Author: noppenaaldhakken
Date: 03-10-2006, 16:38
Edited by: noppenaaldhakken
at: 03-10-2006, 17:07

I did some calculations based on previous results (domestic and european), current form and my own expectations.
*home-away characteristic not yet included
This was the outcome:
Chances of progressing

Group A
Auxerre 75,9%
Rangers 67,6%
Partizan 59,6%
Livorno 56,3%
M Haifa 40,6%

Auxerre seems sure. Results are not too optimistic for M. Haifa

Group B
Leverkussen 59,1%
Cl Brugge 56,8%
Besiktas 59,8%
Din. Bucarest 62,5%
Tot. Hotspurs 61,8%

Most equal group I have ever seen in the (short) UC group stage history.

Group C
Sevilla 83,0%
AZ Alkmaar 69,0%
Sl Liberec 57,9%
Grasshoppers 45,4%
Sp. Braga 44,6%

Seems pretty straightforward. Sp. Braga could however create an upset.

Group D
Parma 65,7%
Lens 73,0%
Heerenveen 60,1%
Osasuna 62,7%
Odense 38,4%

Odense will be the key factor. Despite Danisch football is on the rise (e.g. Kopenhagen win against Ajax) dropping points against them will probably be lethal.

Group E
Feyenoord 67,2%
Basel 70,4%
Wisla Krakow 48,4%
Blackburn 61,6%
Nancy 52,4%

In my head Nancy has a better chance. But that is statistics for you

Group F
Ajax 79,0%
Sparta Prague 62,7%
Espanyol 66,8%
Austria Wien 54,6%
Zulte Waregem 36,9%

Group G
Pananthinaikos 67,4%
PSG 67,1%
Rap. Bucarest 71,7%
HT Aviv 43,4%
Mlada Boleslav 50,3%

Group H
Newcastle Utd 62,8%
Celta de Vigo 61,6%
Palermo 68,5%
Fenerbahce 62,4%
Eintracht Frank 44,8%

Do these results seem plausible to you?

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 03-10-2006, 16:48	dinamo and rapid surely don have the first chance as u said BUT: dinamo - b leverkussen and rapid - PSG are the most important games

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: saras21 Date: 03-10-2006, 16:48	I don't understand why everybody ranks Rapid so high. I know that they reached last year's quarterfinal, but they have very difficult games away, specially agaisnt Hapoel, so i wouldn't say that Rapid are favorites.

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: badgerboy Date: 03-10-2006, 16:54	noppenaaldhakken Do the results seem plausible? Well as for the pure numbers. I always think they should add up to 100% not 300%. I know there are three places available but still I think the overall percentage should be 100. Ignoring that fact. At first glance I'd say Basle are very overrated & Partizan & Rapid at least a little overrated.

Author: iceblu
Date: 03-10-2006, 17:03

Rapid beat last year, Hamburg, Hertha, Rennes, Shacktar, Paok, and get eliminated by Steaua after a 2leg draw, they lost one single player, (but a very important one, the striker Daniel Niculae who went to Auxerre)they bought 4 important players, among them the top goalscorer of the romanian championship(Mazilu)..in the current season they had a lot of injuries (the striker Mazilu, the keeper Coman, the medfilder Maldarasanu) but I think with all their players available are a strong team

Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 03-10-2006, 17:04

i think rapid's group is one of the weakest if not the weakest but the level of teh 5 teams is aprox the same

facing the fact that the chances for a qualification are 300% i
think :

Group A
AJ Auxerre 80%
Rangers FC 65%
FK Partizan Beograd 50%
AS Livorno Calcio 35%
Maccabi Haifa FC 70%

Group B
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 65%
Club Brugge KV 60%
Besiktas JK Turkey 45%
FC Dinamo 1948 Bucuresti 60%
Tottenham Hotspur FC 70%

Group C
Sevilla FC 80%
AZ Alkmaar 60%
FC Slovan Liberec 60%
Grasshopper-Club Zurich 60%
SC Braga 40%

Group D
Parma FC 60%
RC Lens 80%
SC Heerenveen 65%
CA Osasuna 70%
Odense BK 25%

Group E
Feyenoord 70%
FC Basel 1893 70%
Wisla Krakow Poland 35%
Blackburn Rovers FC 65%
AS Nancy-Lorraine 60%

Group F
AFC Ajax Amsterdam 90%
AC Sparta Praha 75%
RCD Espanyol 70%
FK Austria Wien 55%
SV Zulte Waregem 10%

Group G
Panathinaikos FC 65%
Paris Saint-Germain FC 65%
AFC Rapid Bucuresti 60%
Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC 55%
FK Mlada Boleslav 55%

Group H
Newcastle United 60%
RC Celta de Vigo 60%
US Citta di Palermo 60%
Fenerbahce SK 60%
Eintracht Frankfurt 60%

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 03-10-2006, 17:10	has any1 a link to the entire shedue of all groups ?

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: saras21 Date: 03-10-2006, 17:15	5 years ago Hapoel beat Ac Milan, Lokomotiv Moscow, Chelsea, Parma, Gaziantepspor. And the following years they did not even reach the third round. So Rapid's success of last year does not mean anything.

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: badgerboy Date: 03-10-2006, 18:11	Dinamo Fan It's here

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: byl Date: 03-10-2006, 18:15	pffft maybe Waregem makes it to the semi-final. they did it 1986 after beating aarhus, osasuna, ac milan, and hajduk split, and losing to Kôln in the semis. so why not twenty years later

Author: jessica-alba_81
Date: 03-10-2006, 20:53

Group A
1.Auxerre
2.Livorno
3.rangers
4.Maccabi
5.Partizan

Group B
1.Leverkusen
2.Brugge.
3.Tothenam
4.Besiktas
5.Dinamo

Group C
1.Sevilla
2.AZ
3.Liberec
4.Grassopers
5.Braga

Group D
1.Osasuna
2.Lens
3.Heerenveen
4.Parma
5.Odense

Group E

1.Nncy
2.Basel
3.Blackburn Rovers
4.Feyenoord
5.Wisla

Group F
1.Ajax
2.Espanyol
3.Austria Wien
4.Sparta
5.Zulte

Group G
1.Rapid
2.Pao
3.PSG
4.Hapoel
5.Mleda Boleslav

Group H
1.Celta Vigo
2.Palermo
3.Newcastle
4.Fenerbahce
5.Frankfurt

Author: noppenaaldhakken
Date: 03-10-2006, 21:58
Edited by: noppenaaldhakken
at: 03-10-2006, 22:41

@ Badgerboy

when determining the winner the percentages should indeed ad up to 100%. I however stated that I calculated the chances to progress for each team. At the beginning of a group (assuming the teams are equal) each team has a 3/5 (60%) chance to go to the next round. Making it a total of 300% per group. I know it may look weird but unless you know a better method this is the most valuable way to present information.
I agree with you that Basel feels overrated in my prior post however Basel beat Feyenoord 1-0 in their last meeting in 2004 (does anybody know of other matches in this years group stage that have history?) and reached the quarter finals last year. Both Feyenoord, Blackburn and Wisla lost in their last appearance in the 1st round respectively against Rapid Bucarest, Genclerbirligi and Vitoria Guimaraes. Their recent european history therefore speaks in their favour see the european results of the last 5 years (this year included) of group E
P G W D L GF GA GD PPG
Feyenoord (Rotterdam Ned 5 24 9 7 8 27 24 +3 1,42
FC Basel Sui 5 50 22 12 16 75 69 +6 1,56
TS Wisla Kraków Pol 5 32 15 6 11 65 44 +21 1,59
Blackburn Rovers Eng 3 8 1 4 3 10 13 -3 0,88
AS Nancy Lorraine Fra 1 2 1 0 1 3 2 +1 1,50

Maybe we both don't see FC Basel as a major threat. The statistics however say otherwise (also to my surprise!).

@ others

It seems a lot of people are surprised by the high percentage for Rapid Bucarest. So was I as I can still remember sitting in front of the TV in unbelieve watching the unknown Rapid eliminating (former?) giant Feyenoord. Rapid fans will probably not admit it but Feyenoord was the better team over 2 games despite playing very badly. Psychologists are still researching Serginho Greene over what happened that night as he dove at the ball in the penalty box like Gordon Banks in his best days. All this with no apparent reason. Since Greene is a defender and not a goalkeeper this caused a totally unneccesary penalty which was converted by Rapid. Greene later claimed he slipped and landed on the ball while everybody could see he thought he was MJ for a moment. Why he thought that is still a mystery. If it had remained 0-0 Rapid would have been eliminated. Rapid's european run therefore almost didn't happen. But it did and a good run it was. None of the teams in it's current group has achieved something like this in the last couple of years. Even the list of the last 5 years EC-results shows no evidence to think that Rapid is overrated.

P G W D L GF GA GD PPG
Panathinaikos FC Gre 5 36 13 9 14 43 54 -11 1,33
Paris Saint-Germain Fra 3 14 7 3 4 14 10 +4 1,71
UFC Rapid Bucuresti Rom 4 28 17 6 5 47 16 +31 2,04
Hapoel Tel-Aviv Isr 3 14 7 2 5 21 13 +8 1,14
FK Mladá Boleslav Cze 1 6 2 2 2 12 12 +0 1,33

Personally i think Panathinaikos and PSG will be stronger. Maybe my calculations for the percentages are based too much on recent european results.

Question: why are a lot of people so optimistic about the israeli teams? In my calculations they have the lowest chance of surviving apart from Zulte and Odense.

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 03-10-2006, 22:48
Edited by: Lyonnais
at: 03-10-2006, 23:05

Israeli teams had good results in the first round (vs. decent opponents); it is thus logical that some believe in them.

Same for Rapid. Reaching the quarters last yer was a great performance, and although they struggled in the first round vs. a team that is not very known, Rapid fans have some perfectly valid arguments to believe in their chances.
By the way, Niculae scored a very beautiful goal for Auxerre last week-end. His first goal which will help favour his adaptation.

And don't forget the Czech team too. They scored 4 goals to Marseille. As much as Marseille's last 8 opponents in the French League!

In other terms, Pana and PSG will have to play their best football to advance in this group.

Generaly speaking, I find the UEFA Cup pretty interesting this year. Groups B and H are terrible.

Otherwise, your stats are interesting. I admit that it is a bit weird to sometimes see the 5 teams get more than 50% chances to advance (e.g. group B), but I agree that it is difficult to do in an other way.

Author: antonio62tr
Date: 04-10-2006, 09:21

Giving percentage seems better for me so my credit goes like this

Group A
AJ Auxerre 70%
Rangers FC 70%
FK Partizan Beograd 50%
AS Livorno Calcio 56%
Maccabi Haifa FC 54%

Group B
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 65%
Club Brugge KV 53%
Besiktas JK Turkey 58%
FC Dinamo 1948 Bucuresti 54%
Tottenham Hotspur FC 70%

Group C
Sevilla FC 80%
AZ Alkmaar 70%
FC Slovan Liberec 57%
Grasshopper-Club Zurich 53%
SC Braga 40%

Group D
Parma FC 61%
RC Lens 80%
SC Heerenveen 59%
CA Osasuna 70%
Odense BK 30%

Group E
Feyenoord 70%
FC Basel 1893 55%
Wisla Krakow Poland 45%
Blackburn Rovers FC 60%
AS Nancy-Lorraine 70%

Group F
AFC Ajax Amsterdam 80%
AC Sparta Praha 65%
RCD Espanyol 65%
FK Austria Wien 45%
SV Zulte Waregem 45

Group G
Panathinaikos FC 65%
Paris Saint-Germain FC 70%
AFC Rapid Bucuresti 55%
Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC 60%
FK Mlada Boleslav 50%
.

Group H
Newcastle United 65%
RC Celta de Vigo 61%
US Citta di Palermo 65%
Fenerbahce SK 59%
Eintracht Frankfurt 50%

Almost every group is tigh and at most group guessing first two position seems easy...Third positions will depend on form of teams at matchday...
..

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: timbo Date: 04-10-2006, 10:21	zulte against ajax Long time ago that there was a battle between the lowlands (It's always something special) Looking forward to it

Author: bigriazor
Date: 04-10-2006, 10:24

Group A
Auxerre 80%
Rangers 80%
Livorno 50%
M. Haifa 47%
Partizan 43%

Group B
Leverkusen 70%
Dinamo 65%
Tottenham 65%
Brugge 50%
Besiktas 50%

Group C
Sevilla 90%
Alkmaar 80%
Grasshoppers 50%
Liberec 45%
Braga 35%

Group D
Osasuna 75%
Lens 75%
Heerenveen 60%
Parma 50%
Odense 40%

Group E
Nancy 70%
Blackburn 70%
Basel 65%
Feyenoord 55%
Wisla 40%

Group F
Ajax 85%
Espanyol 80%
Sparta 55%
Aus. Wien 53%
Waregem 27%

Group G
PSG 65%
Rapid 65%
Panathinaikos 62%
Hapoel 62%
Mlada Boleslav 46%

Group H
Newcastle 73%
Palermo 70%
Celta 64%
Fenerbahce 60%
Eintracht 33%

Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 04-10-2006, 10:43

I don't understand how you can say that Rapid's performance last year doesn't mean anything. It is true that they are struggling at the moment, but they reached the group stage with two wins in the end, which is better than last year. Don't try to compare Israel to Romania, you just cannot! Israel had probably one good performance in their entire history at European level and stayed in the top 15 for a couple of years. However, their best country coefficient was less than half of Romania's coefficient last year. AFAIK, Israel has never even been involved in the battle for 10th place, let alone 6th, so it was really no surprise to anyone that their teams were weak again soon after. You seem very confident that Hapoel will win against Rapid, but maybe you should now that here in Romania everyone considers Hapoel the weakest team in the group by far and Rapid will surely go for the 3 points against them. Everyone respects Mlada Boleslav very much and knows that it is a much stronger opponent than the coefficient shows, but Hapoel is considered a sure bet for 5th place. There are even voices who are saying that the match could be played on neutral ground, which is always a question with Israel. This is not another post that hails the Romanian teams, it's just about a few facts. My personal view is that Rapid will have a very difficult trip to Israel, against a decent team, but I think at least a draw is perfectly possible for the Romanians.

Author: doctor
Date: 04-10-2006, 11:12

Group A
Auxerre 99%
Rangers 99%
Livorno 99%
M. Haifa 1%
Partizan 2%

Group B
Leverkusen 99%
Dinamo 99%
Tottenham 99%
Brugge 1%
Besiktas 2%

Group C
Sevilla 99%
Alkmaar 99%
Grasshoppers 99%
Liberec 2%
Braga 1%

Group D
Osasuna 99%
Lens 99%
Heerenveen 2%
Parma 99%
Odense 1%

Group E
Nancy 2%
Blackburn 99%
Basel 99%
Feyenoord 99%
Wisla 1%

Group F
Ajax 99%
Espanyol 99%
Sparta 995%
Aus. Wien 2%
Waregem 1%

Group G
PSG 99%
Rapid 99%
Panathinaikos 99%
Hapoel 1%
Mlada Boleslav 2%

Group H
Newcastle 99%
Palermo 2%
Celta 99%
Fenerbahce 99%
Eintracht 1%

Author: badgerboy
Date: 04-10-2006, 12:34

Doctor

Nice to see someone so confident in their "percentages".

My own predictions.

Group A

I think will be extremely close. I give Auxerre a fractional edge in the group and make Partizan a slight outsider.

Auxerre, Rangers & Haifa to progress. Livorno close though. It might come down to goal difference from 2nd to 4th.

Group B

If there's going to be a "weak link" in the group it will be Club Brugge.

Leverkusen, Spurs & Dinamo to progress as long as Spurs avoid defeat in Turkey. If Besiktas win that it could be very tight between those two & Dinamo for 2nd & 3rd behind Leverkusen.

Group C

Easy for Sevilla & AZ. I fancy Slovan Liberec to grab third - either with two draws to open or a narrow win in Portugal.

Group D.

I take Heerenveen (who are becoming seasoned UEFA Cup campaigners) to edge Parma out of the top three. Lens & Osasuna also to qualify. Odense can help Heerenveen by starting with a surprise win against the Italians.

Group E

I can't fancy Basle or Wisla on current form. Nancy might prove the best team in the group. Feyenoord can be third with a couple of draws & a last match win.

Group F

Comfortable for Ajax & Espanyol. Less comfortable for austria Wien but they can edge third ahead of Sparta.

Group G

Another close group - though Hapoel may be a slight underdog.

I have PSG, rapid & Mlada Boleslav edging out Panathinaikos but it'll go down to the wire.

Group H

Despite this looking very tough on paper I have Palermo, Newcastle & Celta Vigo qualifying fairly comfortably. I have the feeling the Germans might not be as good as people think (a deceptive score against the 9 men of Brondby) & the draw has been unkind to Fener. Newcastle or Celta at home I'd give them a win & a fair chance of being in the mix - but I see Palermo as the best team in the group, home or away.

Author: gabriel1
Date: 04-10-2006, 14:00

Group B
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 60%
Club Brugge KV 40%
Besiktas JK Turkey 40%
FC Dinamo 1948 Bucuresti 50% ...last year 5th place in their UC group ,but now Dinamo are in great shape( 16 matches=15 wins + 1 draw..in RO ch. and UC this season)
Tottenham Hotspur FC 50%

Group G
Panathinaikos FC 50%
Paris Saint-Germain FC 50%
AFC Rapid Bucuresti 75% ...last year 1th place in their UC group
Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC 40%
FK Mlada Boleslav 40%

Author: Overgame
Date: 04-10-2006, 14:24

Group A : Auxerre, Rangers and Livorno. But Livorno needs to get some point in Belgrade to qualify.

Group B : Tottenham, Brugge and Leverkusen. The 3 teams are winning their 2 matchs at home, Besiktas draw 2 time at home, and Leverkusen get 1 point in Bucarest.

Group C : Sevilla, AZ and Braga : Sevilla is strong enough to qualify, even with their bad home-away. AZ and Braga are playing Sevilla away, that's why they'll make the difference.

Group D : Osasuna, Heereveen and Parma : Odense seems a bit too weak, and Lens plays at home versus Parma and Osasuna, that's why i don't see them qualifying.

Group E : Blackburn, Basel and Feyenoord. Well, Blackburn and Basel should qualify, and the battle will be close between Nancy and Feyenoord. But playing the last match at home is probably a big advantage for the dutch.

Group F : Ajax, Espanyol and Zulte. I want tomake my 'romanian'

Ajax seems stronger than the 4 others teams, but Zulte playing at home versus ajax (probably already qualified) could give them a chance to win, and qualify

Espanyol is playing the é 'weak' teams at home, that's why they should qualify.

Group G : PSG, Panathinaikos and Rapid. Well, the 3 teams seem stronger, but Hapoel and Mladá Boleslav could be surprises in 1 match, and change the cards.

Group H : Celta, Newcastle and Palermo. Tough group, Palermo needs to get points away to qualify, but they are able to do it.

Author: gabriel1
Date: 04-10-2006, 16:51
Edited by: gabriel1
at: 04-10-2006, 16:54

@saras21

in the clubs world ranking by IFFHS(1st October 2005 - 29th September 2006),pls look where are placed Rapid Bucuresti and then you may supose things about this team:

1. (2.) Sevilla FC Espańa/4 287,0
2. (1.) FC Barcelona Espańa/4 281,0
3. (5.) Milan AC Italia/4 271,0
4. (7.) Liverpool FC England/4 269,0
5. (8.) Arsenal FC London England/4 262,0
(6.) Olympique de Marseille France/4 262,0
7. (12.) FC Rapid Bucureţti România/2 250,0
8. (9.) AS Roma Italia/4 245,0
9. (11.) Olympique Lyonnais France/4 244,0
(3.) FC Internazionale Milano Italia/4 244,0
11.(3.) SC Internacional Porto Alegre Brasil/4 240,0
...............................................

...for exemple, last year in UC, Rapid Bucuresti played 10 matches at home = 9 wins and 1 draw with Steaua in Quarter finals...(last year , they are home record in UC)...so I still remind you this matches :

OR1 Rapid - Saint Julia 5-0
QR2 Rapid - Vardar Skopje 3-0
R1 Rapid - Feyernoord 1-0
Groupe Stage:
Rapid-Rennais 2-0
Rapid - PAOK 1- 0
R2 Rapid - Hertha 2-0
R3 Rapid - Hamburger SV 2- 0
QF Rapid - Steaua 1-1

so, they are unbeaten last year on home stadium (17-1)...

...and this season, until now:

QR1 Rapid - Sliema Wanderers 5-0
QR2 Rapid - FK Sarajevo 2-0
R1 Rapid - Nacional Madeira 1-0

...now ,I hope you accept that Rapid are a very strong team ,specialy on home stadium in UC competition...

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: Giuseppe Date: 04-10-2006, 17:29	Give me a break... the IFFHS standing doesn't make a team good or bad and quite frankly any kind of ranking like that is worth zero. I find it laughable that someone might think Sevilla is the best team in the world and that Marseille and Roma have any place being in the top 10.

Re: UEFA Cup Groups - after draw
Author: cinebelul Date: 04-10-2006, 23:51 Edited by: cinebelul at: 05-10-2006, 00:13	A: 1Rangers; 2Auxerre; 3Maccabi B: 1Leverkusen; 2Tottenham; 3Dinamo - strong group C: 1AZ; 2Sevilla; 3Grasshopper D: 1Osasuna; 2Lens; 3Parma E: 1Nancy; 2Blackburn; 3Feyenoord F: 1Ajax; 2Espanyol; 3Sparta G: 1Rapid; 2Panathinaikos; 3PSG H: 1Celta; 2Palermo; 3Newcastle - strongest group

Author: Rox
Date: 05-10-2006, 23:41

Group A
1.Auxerre
2.Livorno
3.Rangers
4.Maccabi
5.Partizan

Group B
1.Leverkusen
2.Tottenham
3.Dinamo
4.Brugge
5.Besiktas

Group C
1.Sevilla
2.Alkmaar
3.Liberec
4.Grasshoppers
5.Braga

Group D
1.Osasuna
2.Parma
3.Lens
4.Heerenveen
5.Odense

Group E
1.Blackburn
2.Nancy
3.Basel
4.Feyenoord
5.Wisla

Group F
1.Espanyol
2.Ajax
3.Sparta
4.Austria
5.Waregem

Group G
1.Rapid
2.Panathinaikos
3.Mlada Boleslav
4.PSG
5.Hapoel

Group H
1.Palermo
2.Newcastle
3.Celta
4.Fenerbahce
5.Frankfurt

Author: bcpcd
Date: 06-10-2006, 04:16

I think are too many opinions like"I wish this, I wish that.."
...I wish all ro teams in semifinals of UC.OK?
But let's see what predict those that care about money, bookmakers.

Outright 19 Oct 06 17:00 CET
Winner

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group A
Auxerre 3.20
Livorno 3.20
Rangers 3.50
Partizan 7.50
Maccabi 11.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group B
Tottenham 2.75
Bayer 3.00
Besiktas 4.50
Club Brug 7.50
Dinamo B 7.50

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group C
FC Sevilla 1.90
AZ Alkmaar 3.50
Liberec 7.50
Grasshoppers 9.00
Braga 13.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group D
Osasuna 3.00
Lens 3.50
Parma 3.75
Heerenveen7.50
OB 9.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group E
Feyenoord 3.25
Blackburn 3.50
Basel 4.50
Nancy 5.00
Wisla Krakow 9.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group F
Ajax Amsterdam 2.00
Espanyol 3.50
Sparta Praha 5.00
Austria Wien 11.00
Zulte Waregem 21.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group G
PSG 2.50
Panathinaikos 3.00
Rapid Buchurest 6.00
Mlada Boleslav 7.50
Hapoel Tel-Aviv 11.00

UEFA Cup 06/07 - Group H
Palermo 3.00
Newcastle 4.00
Celta de Vigo 4.00
Fenerbahçe 5.50
Eintr. Frankfurt 9.00

Winner/ Rank 1 - 2

FC Sevilla 6.00/ 2.67
Tottenham 10.00/ 4.00
Ajax Amsterdam 13.00/ 5.00
PSG 17.00/ 6.33
Osasuna 17.00/ 6.33
Newcastle 21.00/ 7.67
Bayer Leverkusen 21.00/ 7.67
AZ Alkmaar 21.00/ 7.67
Palermo 21.00/ 7.67
Celta Vigo 26.00/ 9.33 Espanyol 26.00/ 9.33
Rangers 26.00/ 9.33
Blackburn 26.00/ 9.33
Auxerre 34.00/ 12.00
Feyenoord 34.00/ 12.00
Parma 34.00/ 12.00
Fenerbahçe 41.00/ 14.33
Eintracht Frankfurt41.00/ 14.33
Panathinaikos 41.00/ 14.33
Livorno 41.00/ 14.33
Lens 41.00/ 14.33
Nancy 51.00/ 17.67
Basel 51.00/ 17.67
Club Brugge 51.00/ 17.67
Besiktas 51.00/ 17.67
Sparta Praha 67.00/ 23.00
Heerenveen 81.00/ 27.67
Grasshoppers 81.00/ 27.67
Rapid B.81.00/ 27.67
Braga 81.00/ 27.67
Partizan 101.00/ 34.33
Dinamo Bucuresti 101.00/ 34.33
Maccabi Haifa126.00/ 42.67
Austria Wien 126.00/ 42.67

Author: bcpcd
Date: 06-10-2006, 10:03

I saw another bookmaker, most convenient for Ro teams fans:

Winner Group A

Auxerre 2.70
Livorno 3.50
Glasgow Rangers 3.60
Partizan Belgrade 7.25
Maccabi Haifa 12.50

Winner Group B

Bayer Leverkusen 2.55
Tottenham Hotspur 2.90
Dinamo Bucharest 6.25
Besiktas 6.75
Club Brugge 9.75

Winner Group C

Sevilla 1.80
AZ Alkmaar 3.60
Slovan Liberec 5.45
Braga 14.50
Grasshoppers 14.50

Winner Group D

Lens 2.70
Osasuna 3.00
Parma 4.15
Heerenveen 7.25
Odense 14.50

Winner Group E

Blackburn Rovers 3.10
Nancy 3.80
Feyenoord 3.95
FC Basel 5.10
Wisla Krakow 8.75

Winner Group F

Ajax 1.95
Espanyol 2.80
Sparta Prague 5.80
Austria Vienna 14.50
Zulte Waregem 29.00

Winner Group G

Paris St Germain 2.15
Panathinaikos 3.00
Rapid Bucharest 6.75
Mlada Boleslav 7.25
Hapoel Tel-Aviv 14.50

Winner Group H

Palermo 3.35
Newcastle United 3.60
Celta Vigo 4.15
Fenerbahce 5.10
Eintracht Frankfurt 7.25

Author: AristotelCostel
Date: 06-10-2006, 10:18

A: 1 Rangers; 2 Partizan; 3 Auxerre; 4 Maccabi; 5 Livorno.

B: 1 Brugge; 2 Dinamo; 3 Leverkusen; 4 Besiktas; 5 Tottenham 0p.

C: 1 Alkmaar; 2 Sevilla; 3 Slovan; 4 Braga; 5 Grasshopper.

D: 1 Osasuna; 2 Odense; 3 Lens; 4 Parma; 5 Heerenven.

E: 1 Feyenoord; 2 Nancy; 3 Basel; 4 Blackburn; 5 Wisla.

F: 1 Ajax; 2 Sparta; 3 Espanyol; 4 Austria; 5 Zulte.

G: 1 PSG; 2 Panat; 3 Rapid; 4 Hapoel; 5 Mlada.

H: 1 Celta Vigo; 2 Eintracht; 3 Palermo; 4 Fenerbahce; 5 Newcastle 0p.