This forum is read-only now. Please use Forum 2 for new posts
| xml | No replies possible in the archive |
| The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: 2ko
Date: 01-10-2006, 00:16 Edited by: 2ko at: 01-10-2006, 00:18 | Finally UEFA allowed international matches to take place in Israel. This year we have two very strong teams ( Maccabi Haifa and Hapoel Tel - Aviv ), with home matces in Israel all the fans expect great results. A small remainder about past achievments of those two teams : MACCABI HAIFA : 1/4 CWC in 1998 beating PSG, SV Ried and losing to Lokomotiv Moscow. 1/8 CWC in 1994 beating Torpedo Moscow and win over Parma away - eventually we have lost on penalties. Group Stage of UCL in 2003 beating MAN UTD 3-0 ! and Olimpiacos with the same resut, only lack of luck prevented the qualification to the 1/8 finals. HAPOEL T.A: 1/4 UEFA Cup in 2001 beating along the way teams like Chelsea,Parma, Lokomotiv and eventually losin to AC Milan 2-0 at San Siro after 1-0 win in Cyprus.( Then was a ban of playing is Israel so Hapoel played in Cyprus ). EUROPE GET READY THE ISRAELY TEAMS ARE BACK AGAIN !!! |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: vladyslavo
Date: 01-10-2006, 08:55 | Yes indeed a very good results for the israeli teams (especially haifa). Yet, the way for restoring the coef. to put israel in a position of battling for the 15th place, as it was after hapoel reached the 1/4 final in uefa, is VERY long. The key is consistency. Hopefully, hapoel will take one of the places leading to uefa cup this year as well. (for haifa im sure they will) |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 01-10-2006, 11:28 | Beitar Jerusalem is a very strong team also and if it had played Dinamo Bucarest at home, it would have won and I am sure that Dinamo fans who saw the game would agree with me. Even if Israel finishes lower than 21 this year, it doesn't mean that our football is not in progress. We are a very little country, sports has no money because everyting goes to security. We will be back fighting for than 15 place in couple of years... |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: nitsansh
Date: 20-10-2006, 00:04 | Stop Whining! Israel is by no means among the small nations in Europe, nor it's among the poor countries. Israel's resources are no less than Croatia for example. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: CSKA-SOFIA
Date: 20-10-2006, 00:10 | Israel is NOT in Europe at all!!! |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: cska
Date: 20-10-2006, 09:40 | @cska-sofia Don't just exclaim like that only for the sake of exclaiming. Geographically, Israel is not in Europe, but for political reasons it's sport teams play in Europe due to the unwillingness of their Arabic neighbors to maintain any contacts with them at sport level. Anyway, 75% of Russia is in Asia and 97% of Turkey is in Asia, but in political and sports terms they are considered parts of Europe. As for the resources, Idon't think Israel will ever be considered small or poor due to the big Hebrew populations (and funds) in Europe. Many descendants of the Sepharad (Spanish) and Ashkenaz (German) Hebrews still live in Europe and America. Anyway, being with or without Europe has nothing to do with this thread. I can only comment that Maccabi and Hapoel have all chances to win 2 home matches each. And if they do so, their 3rd places are guaranteed. Only 2 months ago, Israel had 0,500 for this year and Hapoel was on the verge of elimination after 1-2 versus Domzale at "home". But gradually, they recovered. And now Israel has 2,750 with all chances to get 1,500 more and additional points in knock-out stage. By the way, we can look in the atlas and see where Canaries, Azores, Madeira, Cyprus or Kazahstan are located. They are not in Europe, but historically, politically and sportly they are in. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 20-10-2006, 09:59 | @cska Again, good comment I think that our chances to finish 21 is higher now, because Haifa and Hapoel are both good teams, and Hapoel has 2 home games left, and Haifa another one. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: CSKA-SOFIA
Date: 20-10-2006, 20:27 | Ya why not Israelis clubs we shoud have Iraqis to,dont forget N.Korea or Sumalia,Cuba is not very confident with its nighburs to!!! P.S. lets not talk obaut Turks cos they will stop me for chating for anather 2-3 weeks az it was before Turkey not in Erope Russia DA YES |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: Ferdydurke
Date: 20-10-2006, 22:17 | Cuba not is very confident with its neighburs??? USA is not very confident with its neighbours i think |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: ron
Date: 20-10-2006, 22:20 | Mentality, Israel is more europe then Bulgaria. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: CSKA-SOFIA
Date: 20-10-2006, 23:00 | @ ron where are u from? |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 20-10-2006, 23:25 | @ ron what a harsh remark, may i remind you that geographically you are not 100% european following what u say i can presume tha australia is more "european" than europe itself  )) |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 20-10-2006, 23:28 | This is not about what this thread is talking about |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: ron
Date: 21-10-2006, 00:33 | My mother from Bulgaria (Hayde maccabi yaffo!!!), I was in Sofia 5 times and i keep say - Israel is more Europe then Bulgaria, not geografi of course, just mentality. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: CSKA-SOFIA
Date: 21-10-2006, 02:34 | thanks for the suport Dinamo fan . Yes Ron the mentality of the people in Bulgaria is not like in western europe cus our lands are still clean not like in w. europe COLORFUL . And u call ure selfs European Killing inesent people in Lebebon is defenetley NOT European!!! |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 21-10-2006, 08:56 Edited by: levski.bg at: 21-10-2006, 09:00 | CSKA-SOFIA, you are racist ? |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: mikabuka
Date: 21-10-2006, 09:30 Edited by: mikabuka at: 21-10-2006, 09:35 | CSKA_SOFIA:Dont be so naive and stupid..The blood on hands of Europe is much bigger...I should remember you about the France and Algeria?Spain and basks?England and Ireland,Iraq,Afganistan?Geramany in the WW2?And it is only the last big conflicts...You want me to remember you about the Crusades in Middle Ages?So dont talk about the "peacefull" Europe,cause your hands are not cleaner...In addition,i wish you to have your own opinion and not what you see on TV... Anyway,i think in sports there is no place for politic.... |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: ron
Date: 21-10-2006, 09:55 Edited by: ron at: 21-10-2006, 10:02 | My dear CSKA-SOFIA! I hope that one day Romenian/mecadonian/greeks/or turkish people will send u 2000 roccets in the middle of the "peacefle moments" of your continent. Becuase you are from Europe u probebly will not reacte... just 100 years ago was the Balkan wars. read about it something and then response. and thank's to king Boris. without him this comment would never writhen. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 21-10-2006, 11:05 | Ron, you know that I have the same opinion like you but let's try not to react to pepole like cska sofia? |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 21-10-2006, 16:30 Edited by: dinamo_fan_4_ever at: 21-10-2006, 16:31 | seems australia is more and more europe... "not geografi of course, just mentality." |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: cska
Date: 23-10-2006, 14:46 | Hmmmmmmmmm, interesting, I would neither support, nor scold CSKA-Sofia and Ron. I understand that Ron has been to Bulgaria and is right that we here are different from Western Europeans. Bur in his posts Ron described events with Germany, France, Spain... and not with Bulgaria. So, if the mentality of Bulgarians is to be peaceful and tolerant to save all Hebrews during WW2 (Ron, our King Boris didn't save your mother alone - that was the whole nation and even the orthodox patriarch, who opposed Hitler and the last agreed to our terms. Bulgaria is the only Axis country, which increased its territory after WW2 and which saved ALL its Hebrews). Ron, if this is Bulgarian mentality - then I'm proud to have it and to be different from the Western nations which you quoted (no offense, I pick them just as his examples). And I bet you, Ron, that if now we had the same situation with another like Hitler, we would again save our Hebrews, Armenians or Turks. Few nationalist ignorants cannot kill the fact that Bulgarians are not racists in general. Even 1325 years ago, when Bulgaria was created, people were free and not discriminated regardless of ethnicity or religion. And the taxes were lowest of all-Europe (it's hard to believe that such times existed... ).CSKA-Sofia, I'm happy that although our fascist and nationalist Siderov came 2nd in presidential elections yesterday, he was smashed with 22:64% by the current president. Instead of complaining when foreigners disdain Bulgaria, be proud and happy that we are not Iraq, Afganistan or Kosovo. Wars in all-Yugoslavia (from Slovenia to Macedonia) broke out because of nationalists and their madness. I'm proud that Bulgarians did not and will never put such pigs in power. Ron, remember that our nation may seem un-European, but that was the one who provided for your birth And no other "European" nation did... |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: mikabuka
Date: 23-10-2006, 16:58 | cska : A little remark..Ron didnt speak about France,Germany and England..It was me |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 23-10-2006, 18:10 | I would say that the mentality in the countries who play in europe is different. The part of Israel, Greece and Turkey has "warmer" people, and that why the fans in these countries are warmer than another countries. In countries in the west or in the east of europe the people are "colder". I don't know much about Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovenia and etc, but I think it is a bit similiar to the middle east's mentality. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: levski.bg
Date: 23-10-2006, 18:11 Edited by: levski.bg at: 24-10-2006, 22:10 | cska: very good post, specially in the "nazi" part. My compliments. Btw, there is another nation who save their jews too. Danemark and the danish people. It's very good for us, to be proud with such human act, but dont forget our friendship with Hitler and our side to Hitler, Japan, Italy union. Most of the western people cannot save their jew's, but most of them was in war with Hitler and not support him. So, lets forget this thread and "who can be proud" things. Saras21: this is a legends, depending from subjective people view and definition. There is alot of "myths" claim the german people is colder for example, but they are not I also dont agree with CSKA-1948 who claim Israel and their people for "not-europeans". But this is only one subjective opinion and not every bulgarian think like him. No need to "fight back". And of course, alot of people in here is far away from the "definition of ordinary european". |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: bigriazor
Date: 23-10-2006, 19:08 | @saras i understand you are israeli no?can you tell help me with something pls? there is a team in your 1 league named Hakoah Maccabi Amidar Ramat Gan - according to UEFA.IS this the same team that played in the uefa cup 4-5 years ago?it played against levski i believe |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: saras21
Date: 23-10-2006, 19:46 Edited by: saras21 at: 23-10-2006, 19:48 | @bigriazor Yes I am Israeli. The team who played against Levski was the other team of Ramat- Gan, Hapoel Ramat Gan. It is a very sad story. Hapoel RG played in uefa cup becasue it won the Israeli cup by a big surprise in 2002-2003 season, while playing in the 2nd division. But there was no money for this team so it fell to the 3rd division. It is a pity for a team with so many fans... Keep watching the Israeli league |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: ron
Date: 24-10-2006, 19:52 | dear levski.bg, you are absulutly right, exept that king Boris, send as a "tax" to Hitler the macedonians jews to Aushwiz. beside, I have a Bulgerian pasport, so I love this country a lot. |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: cska
Date: 25-10-2006, 12:25 | Ron, It's admirable that you know so well the facts of our mutual history. Macedonian Hebrews were not "tax" to Hitler - he insisted that they were not Bulgarian citizens (at that time Macedonia was divided by Greece and Yugoslavia). It was very hard to drive bargains with Hitler with 500 000 Germans waiting at the bank of Danube with the question if they are entering allied country or a country to be conquered. King Boris preferred the status of "allied" country. However, Bulgaria was not forced to send Bulgarian citizens (especially Hebrews) to Auschwitz and also Bulgaria did not send any soldier to fight with Germans against the Russians. I don't think Bulgaria would have been a hard target for Hitler, but he was in a hurry to conquer Greece and to prepare for USSR invasion before Stalin could invade Germany. So, he preferred a fake ally instead of the risk to be spoiled all his blitzkrieg plans. By the way, Greeks did not fight against the sending of Macedonian and Thracian Hebrews to German camps. At that time Saloniki was 90% Jewish populated and especially after the Balkan war (1912-13) Bulgaria counted very much on the support of Jewish population for the annexation of the city to Bulgaria, while the Greeks disliked them due to the fact that both Greek and Jewish nations are skilled in banking and trade and were hard competitors. So, in fact Hitler helped the Greeks for the ethnical purging of Macedonia and Thrace from their hardest competitors. Anyway, I see that many threads now contain a lot of history remarks on various nations and events. Football is really making people closer to one another... |
| Re: The Israeli football is back... | |
| Author: ron
Date: 25-10-2006, 16:38 | cska! I ecsept your explanation. |