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Author: bcpcd
Date: 08-09-2006, 18:37

-"Doctor may be right-Romania closes the gap to 5th" topic make me curiously..very curiously..
-let say,from start, i'am romanian, i wrote about that in "poll" replytopic
-so, with a pencil and a paper, and with my mind and football aknowledges(maybe smalliest than others) i calculated this:
UEFA Country Ranking 2007(final)
........
6.Portugal 43.416
7.Holland 39.949
8.Russia 37.900
9.Romania 37.832
........

I hope much more for my country, but this is it...
Sorry for bad english.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: shrike Date: 08-09-2006, 23:43	Could you please explain how did you get to this result? Not that I wouldn't sign for such result, just curious.

Author: bcpcd
Date: 09-09-2006, 07:10

-Portugal:
-in CL
-in CLGS:
-Sp.Lissboa:4pts(for EuroCups coeff.)3rd place
-Benfica:7pts and 2nd place(if MU and Celtic will haven't an agreement in 5th day (deh..romanian conspiracy teory..or don't forget last year betwwen MU and Benfica..or MU vs CG friendly matches)) + 1pt bonus
-Porto:5pts 3rd place
-R2:
-Benfica:1pt
-Total in CL:18pts
-in UC:
-1stR:
-Sp.Braga:3pts
-Setubal:3pts
-Nacional:1pt
-GS:
-Sp.Braga:3pts and 4th place (with in Newc.,Odessa/HTA,Gl.R, Celta group)
-Setubal:3pts and 4th place (Sevilla, Bes/CSKA Sofia,OM, Grass)
-R2 & R3 & QF(it's QF too much for one between follow two teams?):
-Sp.L:4pts(3pts in R2)
-Porto:7pts(3pts in R2,2pts in R3, 1pt bonus, 1 pt QF)(I choose Porto, but may be Sp.L)
(i think is reasonable medium for both)
-Total in UC:24pts
-Total Portugal from now:42pts, what means 7,000pts UEFA coef.+ 36,416=43.416
..will be next with,now 7th place, Romania

Author: bcpcd
Date: 09-09-2006, 07:28

let see Romania:
-in CL:
-CLGS:3pts(for UEFA coeff.)that means 1 W and 1 Draw and 4th place
-in UC:
-inR1:
-Rapid & Dinamo = 6 pts
-in GS:
-Rapid:3pts(with Osasuna, Basel,WHU/Palermo, Feyenoord)and 4th place
-Dinamo:2pts(with Brugge, Bayer, Partizan, Spurs - depends by home/ away matches draw)and 4th place
This year for Romanians teams are more important domestic league for CL by next year
coming up Russia

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: bcpcd Date: 09-09-2006, 07:47	Russia: -CLGS:maybe more 1-2 pts) -Spartak:3pts and 4th place -CSKA:4pts and 4th place -UC:maybe less 1-2 pts) -R1: -Kazan:1pt -Lok:4pts -GS(Sp.Praha, Fener, Rovers,Schalke)+last32+last16(it's too much for a russian team?)=5+3+1=9pts so with the more/ less average:21pts from now, which means 5,250 UEFA coeff.+32,625=37.875 (sorry, i was wrong)

Author: bcpcd
Date: 09-09-2006, 08:28

Holland:
-CL:5 pts(they'll be have bad start, with 1-2 pts(1-2 draws) in first 3 matches)and 3rd place
-in UC:
-R1:
AZ:3pts
Heer:1pts
Fey:3pts
Gron:1-2pts and out
Ayax:3-4pts(let's say 5pts for Gron and Ayax)
-GS:
AZ(Lens, Slovan/Red Star, Parma, Eintracht):4 or 5 pts
Fey(Rapid,Osasuna,Basel,WHU/Palermo)4 or 5 pts, let's say 9pts for AZ and Fey and 2nd or 3rd place at least for each)
Ayax(Espanyol,Wisla,Livorno,AJ):5pts(did u see home match with FC Kop? was an big accident.I think must be 5,6,7 to 1 for AA)
so 4 (biggest) teams from Ned in R2 of UC.What next?
-last 32: let' say 1 or 2 teams out and 2-3 goes in R3: 9pts
-last 16: 1-2 teams out and 1-2 in QF: 6pts +1 =7 pts
-QF+SF:surely 1 team:4pts+1=5 pts
Total, from now:52pts(i know i said 57)=7,428+31,807=39,235(my mistake)

Author: shrike
Date: 09-09-2006, 12:17

Well that was a very detailed answer. You already know the draw for the GS.
I agree with you that a 5th place for Romania is a joke, but I think you are quite optimistic about Holland and Portugal. In your example, where Romania has two teams in GS UC, I cannot imagine that they won't get 7th or 8th place. R1 will give us a better look at all their chances. Holland can be in real danger of losing two UC spots if they lose Feyenoord and/or AZ in R1 (I don't think Ajax will, but you never know with scandinavian opponents)
AZ and Feyenoord don't have an easy draw and will have difficulties to qualify for the GS. Feyenoord haven't even score a goal in the league this year and the game against Lok. may come to soon.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: bcpcd Date: 09-09-2006, 12:56	tell me if i wrong for example winners from follow matches will not formatt 1 group?: Chernomorets Odesa Ukr- Hapoel Tel-Aviv Isr Sporting Braga Por -Chievo Verona Ita Levadia Tallinn Est -Newcastle United Eng Molde FK Nor Glasgow -Rangers Sco Standard Liège Bel -Celta de Vigo Esp

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: shrike Date: 09-09-2006, 16:24	As far as I know there will be new draw on 3 october. ranked 1-8 will draw one from the 8-16 ranked, 17-24, 25-32 and 33-40. For example if Tallin beats newcastlle they still are te lowest seeded for the groupstage and will get a 1-8 ranked team in the groupstage.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: bcpcd Date: 09-09-2006, 17:40	i din't contradict u, but why make UEFA, at draw from 25 aug, 8 groups with 5 matches with seeded and unseeded teams?

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: shrike Date: 09-09-2006, 18:06	At a pre draw they make this groups of 5 seeded and 5 unseeded. But they also make sure that there aren't any teams from the same country in a group. So they haven't to make any changes at the actual draw.

Author: Osirius
Date: 10-09-2006, 05:38

to bcpcd

I may say that your prediction may be right,Russia takes 5.250 total 37.875,but want to remind you that last 2 season Russia took 10.000 each season.
Two of portuguese teams in CL play against russian and both will take 3rd place(russians take 4th.place).Two years ago russian CSKA beat in UEFA Cup Benfica 2-0.1-1 and Sporting Lisbon 3-1 in the final.Last year Zenit beat portuguese team 2-1 in UEFA Cup.Only Porto could play better in CL games against CSKA 0-0.1-0.Several years ago Sporting lost to Spartak 0-3.1-3.As you can see I want to teell that russian teams lately beat portuguese and you say that Porto and Sporting will be higher.(where is logic?)
Certainly Sporting and Porto may be higher but I really doubt about it.
Time will tell.

Author: bcpcd
Date: 10-09-2006, 09:32

i understand
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i can't do right and certainly prediction
i just try to find an answer at question "Ro 5th place?"

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: bcpcd Date: 10-09-2006, 09:38	and Osirius.. i said 5,250 for Russia from now, which means 8,375 coeff this season isn't reasonable for them?

Author: Osirius
Date: 11-09-2006, 08:05
Edited by: Osirius
at: 11-09-2006, 08:06

to bcpcd
That's clear,I ususlly do not do prediction according to coeff. espesially when it's concerned about russian teames,they are still underestimated in Europe,but as I think right now the level of russian teames are the same as in Portugal and Holland,or soon even will be higher cause of much money.
Time will tell how it will end up,Porto soon will be playing on its home ground against CSKA,will be interesting game.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gabriel1 Date: 11-09-2006, 15:13	ha,ha..."Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke..."....but 6th place isn't a joke,that means ,same like 5th place, no more than 3 tems in CL... Romania will past over Portugal(6)...you will see that next thursday at Rapid(Rom) - National(Por) in uefa cup 1th round...

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: shrike Date: 11-09-2006, 15:41	I cannot imagine that a win for Rapid will decide this battle for 6th place. Portugal still has 3 reasonable teams left in CL, who all can (at least) reach 3rd place in the GS. Romania can be 6th at the the end of the season, but I won't bet on it if I were you.

Author: bcpcd
Date: 11-09-2006, 17:06

6th place..i think no way gaby1.Next year i say 75%.
so i'm glad and proud,as an romanian, to show you top before next season after my (if u consider) poor prognosis:
....
6.Romania 35,666 4 teams (and one more QR matches for a team than Russia which maybe means more 0,187 coeff)
7.Russia 34,250 4
8.Holland 33,069 6
9.Portugal 32,666 6
and just because Ro 'll lose only 2,166 coeff, as time Portugal 10,750.
Personally i wish Steaua to finish second in domestic league because they'll be surely an seeded team and qualify in groups.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: SHEV Date: 11-09-2006, 20:55	Becali predicted 9 points in first three games. I think he's a bit pessimistic.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gabriel1 Date: 11-09-2006, 21:28	I want 5 points...3p with Kiev, 1p with Lyon, 1p with Real Madrid...

Author: cska
Date: 11-09-2006, 22:06

Too many forecasts based on simple arithmetic add-ups of points.
What we are seeing now is that Romania really is closing the gap to 5th. My topic "Romania closes the gap to 5th" was not a joke. I did not say that Romania WILL BE 5th, but that Romania is closing the GAP. So, Romania can still finish 6th or 7th, but the GAP to 5th will be smaller than the one at the beginning of this season.
However, Romania has one team in a group that allows 3rd place at least and 2 teams with easy draw for UC. On the other hand, Portugal has 3 teams that will have hard battles in CL, while the other 3 are pretty mediocre for UC. So, 3 Portuguese teams in hard CL groups will have to bring points for 6 teams, while all 3 Romanian teams have the possibility to earn points. Also, one win of a Romanian team counts twixe as much as a win of a Portuguese team. So, 3 Romanian point earners can earn more than 3 Portuguese good teams. And it's much easier for 2 Romanian good teams to earn points in 6 matches in UC R1+GS than for 2 Portuguese teams in CL GS, while I assume it's the same for 1 Romanian and 1 Portuguese team in CL GS.
This makes me think that Romania will beat Portugal for 6th, but 5th requires also a lot of bad luck for Germany.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 12-09-2006, 08:36	3 hard groups for Portugal? 1 group with at least 3rd spot for Romania? To compare the 4th teams: Dynamo Kiew is hard Spartak Moskou, Lokomotiv Moskou and Kopenhavn are hard? To compare the top-2 teams: Real Madrid&Lyon are easy Inter&Bayern, ManUtd&Celtic, Arsenal& HSV are hard? I think Steaua has a harder group than all Portuguese teams!

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: psw Date: 12-09-2006, 08:48	Ricardo "Spartak Moskou, Lokomotiv Moskou and Kopenhavn are hard?" Not Lokomotiv Moskou but CSKA Moscow. I don't think that CSKA would be easy for any Portugal team.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 12-09-2006, 08:58	neither will Dynamo Kiew be for Steaua. I don't want to say that the Portuguese teams are not hard, but compared with Steaua's opponents, they are at least as 'weak'. (and yes, it should be CSKA, sorry.)

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Overgame Date: 12-09-2006, 09:33	Romania close the gap ... When the 3 romanian teams are playing (and winning) a lot of qRounds while Germany isn't, that's not hard to close the gap. Like i've said, if ONE romanian team fails to qualify, their score will not be high enough to be even 6th.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Francisco Date: 14-09-2006, 10:47	I don't want to enter in a discussion about Portugal vs Romania (since I'm portuguese I would be biased ), but I want to know how many teams will ROmania have next season? Currently they have 3, but I think they finished at least 8th last year, so that means 6 teams, right?

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: padoura Date: 14-09-2006, 10:51	Romania finished 10th last year, so they will have 4 teams next year.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: uiu Date: 14-09-2006, 10:54	@Francisco Due to fact that Romania ended season 2005-2006 on the 10th place (view here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2006.html ) there will be 4 teams involved in European Cups,2 in UCL and 2 in Uefa Cup.

Author: Francisco
Date: 14-09-2006, 11:47

@uiu, Thanks for the link.

So this means that if Romania climbs to 6th this year, considering that they have yet another year before "getting" 6 teams in the competition I'd say Romania could have guarantees of having 6 teams for at least 3 or 4 seasons. After that it will depend on the quality of the new Romanian teams in European competitions. I see it 2 ways, if Romania has the same problem of Portugal, than like us there will be cycles in time with 3 or 4 years having 6 teams, and them more 3 or 4 years with 3 or 4 teams, because our 2nd line of teams isn't good enough. However if Romania's 2nd wave has actually good quality I think that like Russia they may make a stand between 5th and 8th positions (the ones with 6 teams outside of the stronger countries: England, Spain, Italy and France - I'm still questioning if Germany really belongs in this group or if they will for a long time stand between 5th and 6th positions)

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: frosty Date: 14-09-2006, 15:39	fransisco we have many good teams in romania,not only the big three.There is CFR CLUJ,POLI TIMISOARA,OTELUL GALATI,and others who cam make a very god performance in the european cups,only the lack of experience may be a problem

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 14-09-2006, 15:48	otelul galati

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 14-09-2006, 15:55	Mital Steel Galati(otelul) :D.. Ce gluma buna... HAHAHAHAHAHA

Author: STK
Date: 14-09-2006, 16:15
Edited by: STK
at: 14-09-2006, 16:32

No, Otelul Galati is not a solution, but Farul Constanta may be.

let see Romania:
-in CL:
-CLGS:3pts(for UEFA coeff.)that means 1 W and 1 Draw and 4th place
-in UC:
-inR1:
-Rapid & Dinamo = 6 pts
-in GS:
-Rapid:3pts(with Osasuna, Basel,WHU/Palermo, Feyenoord)and 4th place
-Dinamo:2pts(with Brugge, Bayer, Partizan, Spurs - depends by home/ away matches draw)and 4th place

@bcpcd, sorry i do not agree with your pesemistic analyse regarding romanian teams final coeffs. Doctor made a more realistic one than yours. It may not be 5th, but at least 6-7th for Romania. I do not care so much for this prophetic calculations, but comme one, Steaua last in the group? I think you lack the reality sense, Steaua has a team to reach at least 3rd place and go further in UEFA. And are you sure you don't mistake Real from now with the "galactic" team few years back (when they won game through opponent panic). No one fear Real like they fear in the past.

And congratulation to Lyon for debute, but Real had ony 2 half of goal opportunities, i don't think it is wise to dream that they are already trophy winners how some declaration sounded. Barca and 3 british teams are the target to beat for current season.

Author: Knallie
Date: 14-09-2006, 16:33

Romania will be in top 8 for atleast 3 seasons, I think.
However, it will be alot harder next year. Romania had 4.33 points only in qualifying, even before the proper rounds started. They will miss those points in the next few years, bnecause they won;t start in those rounds. They will have to earn their points in CL Groupstage and UEFA Cup R1, which is alot harder than gaining points in CL and UC QR1 and QR2.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: frosty Date: 14-09-2006, 16:38	in mortii matii de prosti,veti vedea voi ce poate otelul,mah dinamovostul lui peste ai uitat de 0-3 la in groapa?? Otelul has 3 consecutive wins now,and will win the next 4 matches we`ll talk then sclavilor...

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Overgame Date: 14-09-2006, 16:50	Rofl, talking about Real now is stupid. New coach, new players. Give them 2 months, and we'll talk again. And Inter Milan is in the same case. About Romania, we'll see tonight. And doctor prevision is not 'realistic', but 'optimistic'.

Author: STK
Date: 14-09-2006, 16:51

@Knallie,

The only reason for having a high coefficent is to avoid qualification rounds, so why to miss 4.334.33 in q, when you had guarantated points in CLGS (that came with guarantated games)? Or just one double round game before UCGS?

Stop presenting q points like a blessed gift because it isn't so. They represent only half of normal, and they should be double than normal, because a elimination in these rounds affect more a team's coeff than a elimination after the CLGS or UCGS or higher stages.

Author: Knallie
Date: 14-09-2006, 17:01

I'm not saying it's a gift, nor that I wish Holland had qualifying rounds. I don't. I mean, look at Ajax. What I'm saying is a simple fact though.

Let's say Romania have a 10.000 coefficient this year (THIS IS A COMPLETELY RANDOM NUMBER, SO DON'T SAY YOU WILL GET MORE OR LESS.). If you have exactly the same results next year, you will have approx. 5.700 points. Big difference wouldn't you say?

Again, I'm not disputing the fact that playing q-rounds is unfair, or risky, even for big teams. I'm also not saying that q-rounds are an easy way to collect points. I'm simply saying that this year you are starting with 4.333 more than you will the next few years.

Author: STK
Date: 14-09-2006, 17:36
Edited by: STK
at: 14-09-2006, 19:14

This is corect, a fact. But also a fact that in 2000-2003 period, especially, romanian teams was seriously obstructed by q rounds; meanwhile other teams lets say with the same value were dirrect entrants in competition and their coefficient wouldn't suffer same as much. And what we assist now is a seeding system exploit who ALLOW (not give us, ... like an ipotetical bonus for direct entrants) us to take back some points, that the system dennied then, but offer to others with dirrect access.

I didn't saw no one to came and say then : look a romanian team eliminated again in q rounds another low country coefficient for Romania; What would have happen if the dirrect entrants would have played also q-rounds? A better coeff for then or a european season break?

Let's list what u actually want:
1) direct access for my team so no risk, no elimination chance;
2) a starting points bonus same as high as the maximum points that can be taken in q rounds, even my team didn't play them;

So this calculation seem fair recived from a specific angle, both a direct entrant and a q team may have the same coeff in the start. But that qualification coeff which currently the direct entrant can't access it, represent in fact: extra games and extra risks, and like i said i think is even small.

I can see how we can start with 4,333 more than this year, because this year we started the season in middle July, when Roberto Carlos was on some island vacantion. When the season started, we had 0p, same as next year eventually.

There is a more interesting fact that you may take a look to:

1. Steaua Bucuresti Rom CL 1 5 6.6500, 5 matches
2. Arsenal Eng CL 1 5 5.9900, 3 matches
3. Chelsea Eng CL 1 5 5.9900, 1 match (!!!)
4. Manchester United Eng CL 1 5 5.9900, 1 match (!!!)

Author: badgerboy
Date: 14-09-2006, 17:51

Knallie

Just to clarify the maths. Actually Romania gained a coefficient of 3.333 from the qualifying rounds this year. 1 coefficient point came from the "Group Stage bonus" which they will still get - assuming direct qualification. Of course 1 point this year will be 0.75 next (because of the extra team).

In addition they will still have a maximum (excluding IT team) of 1.5 coefficient points available through the qualifying rounds (6/4). The lowest scoring teams this year scored 4.5 between them. Perhaps 4 (so 1.00 coefficient point) is a more reasonable target next year, dependent on the teams playing the qualifiers.

So next year perhaps 1.750 (or 2.500 if the second team makes the CLGS) at this stage as opposed to 4.333. Still down 2.583 (or 1.833) but not as severe as you suggest - particularly when you note that they only have 2.166 points to protect for the whole of 2002-03.

Of course the change in team numbers next year - especially if the IT team (which should be seeded) qualifies - will make life harder. 30 points giving a coefficient of 10.000 and 30 points giving a coefficient of 6.000 is quite a difference.

Then the year after 6 - and perhaps even 7 teams with IT. I previously thought Romania might just miss out on the top 8 this year - for six places in 2008-09. Now, unless UEFA R1 is a complete disaster for them, I'd have to revise that prediction.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: moro Date: 14-09-2006, 21:50	You guys forgot that Romania in 2008 ranking has already +5 in front of Germany (I don't care for 5, but 6-th place), so next year a little 6.000 coef. should be OK. In 2009 we'll loose only 5, need another 5-6 coef. for keeping 6-th place or better. It's almost sure. We just need Rapid to go through (Dinamo is done) and we'll get the 6 at the end of this season.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gluer Date: 15-09-2006, 00:05 Edited by: gluer at: 15-09-2006, 02:37	Al three Romanian teams won... so we add 2 points more... Romania have now 35.165 if i'm not wrong... P.S. "It's not the end, it's the begining" P.S.2. Thanks shrike for correction... my mistake

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Maluyaca Date: 15-09-2006, 00:15	I don't think there is the smallest chance of that Romania will get spot 5. Position 6 can if they continue performing like they did this week.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: shrike Date: 15-09-2006, 00:24	@gluer, 3 wins for Romania means 6/3=2,000 a total of 35,165 Top 8 place looks secure now. 6th is in range.

Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 15-09-2006, 00:26

@ frosty

shh, dont speak like that;

otelul, frosty

otelul is mediocre team, face it, as for that 0-3, accidents happen, u were better than but in europe otelul is not strong enaugh even in uefa cup Qr2, actually romania has only 5 competitive teams for now,
steaua, dinamo, rapid and cfr play well, timisoara is a bet but i dont see a 6th team that can win even 1 pt in the UC R1 if it can pass the qualifiers

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 15-09-2006, 00:28 Edited by: dinamo_fan_4_ever at: 15-09-2006, 00:30	@stk farul may be a solution if they dont play like now, all the other are very very long shots

Author: Ricardo
Date: 15-09-2006, 08:24

I would even say a top-7 place is guarenteed (though it does not really matter top-8 or top-7)
What really starts me wondering is what happened 2 years ago(and the year before) How come this sudden outburst of Romanian talent(As that is what I like too, they are mainly Romanian players that do the trick!) Is there a Romanian wonderdocter? Did an asteroid fell down(are these players aliens?)? Or should I just say 'welcome back in the top - where you belong'?
or is this just a big conspiracy to break down the Uefa-coefficient system? There must be some evidence to find for that!

Author: frosty
Date: 15-09-2006, 08:56

ok,dak nu ma credeti uitati-va va rog la meciul nostru cu jiul sambata dak puteti si-mi spuneti cum joaca otelul,va spun eu k veti fi impresionati...in ultimele 3 meciuri a jucat mai bine meci de meci,iar otelul este o echipa sa faca fata in uefa..iar meciurile de anul trecut cu 7 victorii din 8 meciuri in deplasari cum se poate numi accident?sau k a scos 30 de puncte in retur dupa ce in tur avea 9...asta e accident??!normal k atunci cand ati vazut k otelul a pierdut in primele 3 etape ati spus k retrogradam,dar ala a fost un accident...
Steaua will reach the semifinals in the UCL,Dinamo will reach the semifinals of the UC,and Rapid maybe the last 32 or 16

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 15-09-2006, 09:06	@frosty Do you know at home I can receive a local network called 'frosty' (does this not make any sense? neither does your text)

Author: Edgar
Date: 15-09-2006, 09:08

Gigi Becali (Steaua's owner)happened. Although I don't like him, I respect what he did. Before he came along, Romanian clubs were selling their players pretty quickly for very low prices. Becali opted to keep his players and give them higher wages. Dinamo and Rapid had to keep up in order to challenge for the title. Oh, on top of that, Romania failed to reach the finals of the last 3 major tournaments (WC 2002, EURO 2004, WC 2006). So no shopping window oportunities for the Romanian players.

Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 15-09-2006, 10:06

@ frosty
1. try to plz write english
2. grigoras is a very good coach, he had results everywhere he went
3. last year 2nd part was great for otelul, they won away matches in half an year as in last 4 years summed
4 this year thay played bad 3 matches, well 3 matches, they are in the first half of the standings and thats ok, but what if they go to wefa and play 3 bad matches, they get eliminated and dont have a chance to play the 3 good games and show what they can
5 next year u wont be in europe more than sure as u are not strong enaugh to play constantly
6 2 years from now u can get a uefa spot and believe me i will want otelul to win all the matches they play in uefa, but u need consistency, stop selling 20 players/year and geting 20 new ones, grow up a winner mentality, try to beat dinamo, steaua and rapid and u will reach hy, we need more than 4-5 good teams in romania, good luck

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: TzarSamuil Date: 15-09-2006, 11:57	It doesn't sound like a joke anymore.Romania already has 6,333 coef. and it will have 2 teams in the groups of UEFA

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: SHEV Date: 15-09-2006, 13:13	Yeah. No jokes now. I would even question France position next year from this point.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gluer Date: 15-09-2006, 13:17 Edited by: gluer at: 15-09-2006, 13:18	@SHEV Agree with you... for now on is no joke... is the reality. Dinamo Buc. and Rapid Buc. will qualify for UEFA Cup Groups and Steaua will finish at least on 3rd place in CL group E (then in UEFA Cup)... so 5th place is not a joke anymore. 6th place very easy to achieve and with a bit of luck 5th place.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: frosty Date: 15-09-2006, 13:45	dinamo fan,we lost only 1 player this summer,which wasn-t even our player,he was borrowd from farul and they didn`t want to sell him,and the reason we bought 18 players last winter,is because we had very bad players,we kicked out 14 players and brought 18 very good players pls give me your id to tell u more...if u want...

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 15-09-2006, 15:13	@SHEV ofcourse, nobody thought Romania on 5th was possible, now it appear to be possible, let's get the next target: France next year. They are only 12 points behind France. France 'only' got 11 points the last 2 years, so Romania will only have to get 17 this and next year to pass France. If that is accomplished next year than in 2008/2009 Romania will pass Spain!

Author: lazio
Date: 15-09-2006, 16:42
Edited by: lazio
at: 15-09-2006, 16:45

I think it's too much...I'm not that sure Rapid will pass Nacional Madeira (although they have about 60% chance). The portuguese team played a good game and they are dangerous. But, even if they go to UC groups, it's not sure they and Dinamo will achieve points. Steaua isn't qualify for the next round - they have only one win - well, an impresive one - but we've got to wait. Of course, Romania could get 20 points this year, but they can also make only 8. (We have inconsistency in the genes

) - so let's be quiet and see what happen next. Spain, Italy and England are untouchable...so let's do not talk rubbish...We deserve it Top 10. Frankly, top 5 is already to much...but we can dream...we have that right, don't we?

Author: exile
Date: 15-09-2006, 16:50

On the basis of "highest ranking team progresses" I have Romania to finish 7th

5 Germany 45.506
6 Portugal 42.416
7 Romania 41.498
8 Netherlands 41.236
(then big gap to Russia in 9th)

To get 5th would mean not only Romanian teams doing better than their seeding position, but the Germans and Portuguese having a very bad season as well. As for France, they should finish with 53.406, 12 points ahead of Romania.

Next season Romania will go up to 4 teams - and for 2008-9 it will be 6. A good thing, but not necessarily good for coefficients.

Author: STK
Date: 15-09-2006, 17:07

@Ricardo. Edgar is right. There are so little people who invest in football for passion, and so many who want to make another legitimate bussiniss. Before 2000 all the romanian teams (including Steaua) have been parasitated by the second category of "investors" and Moggi type player agents. They have been very clever covered by the persons who lead the romanian football, FA president Mircea Sandu and Proffessional League president Mitica Dragomir, who give credit to the ideea that NO romanian team will ever reach CL groups at least in the next 30 years (and the fans to not expect too much), and is better to sell our young romanian players at the first opportunity. Currently Steaua's owner who decided to be me the major shareholder from 2001, came with other mentality, keeping players to become homogenous, foreigner coach, big salary and bonuses for Romania, no player agent like his cousin (Ion Becali) to blackmail to use x player or he came an take him to Inter (like Zicu from Dinamo), etc. So when Steaua showed that the things are not quite how the romanian football leaders present them, the other clubs fans begin to pressure for better results in Europe, so other clubs begin to invest more. And maby more important, clubs from outside Bucharest like Poli Timisoara and CFR Cluj have been taken by rich people or importannt trusts and them are now in the reconstruction phase same as Steaua in period 2000-2003, so in the future we will assist to competitive teams from that cities.

So the conclusion is that good results can be obtained with unbeliveble lesser money than expected. The only thing that must be acomplished is to put performance first and profit second, and of course a good club managment and scooting department (or youth school).

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 15-09-2006, 18:32	zicu is so a wasted talent, we play far better without him , good luck rapid, with zicu u will need it ...

Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 15-09-2006, 18:43

dinamo_fan, let's leave aside the internal rivalry. good or wasted Zicu is going to prove it himself. Now I am very excited about the 3 Romanian wins and really looking forward to future ones from all the teams. maybe Piturca should switch towards local players more? Dinamo's attack, Steaua's midfield for now looks best. Sorry to Rapid fans, but for the moment they need to fix certain things. I really liked them last year.

in the end, we are all hoping for the best for Romanian football, so my call is for peace

Author: edieseb
Date: 15-09-2006, 18:51

Just for the sake of calculating probabilities:
Last year, at this time, after the first matchday (CL groups) / first leg of first round (UC), Romania had a coefficient of 3.833 if I'm not mistaken, with 5 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses in the QR and 2 wins and 1 draw in the first round.
This year, 9 wins and 2 draws in the QR and 3 wins in the matchday 1. Definetly a better performance. To surpass last year's results it would be great to match last year's results following matchday 1.
So, matchday 2, Romania had 2 wins and 1 loss: Dinamo should be able to win at home and then, either a win from Steaua at home or Rapid in Portugal, either a draw for both. I think it's quite possible.
Matchday 3 to matchday 6 (or the group phase of UC) brought us a lot of points last year and it will be pretty hard to match this year: 15 points - 6 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses. It should be particularly difficult for Steaua to match last year's 6 points, that's why I'll consider here this year's 3 point GS bonus non-existant last year. Then, Steaua needs 1 win and 1 draw in the last 4 games in the group. Not easy, but not all that hard either considering that 2 games out of 4 are on the home field. This also should allow Steaua to pass on to the last 32 of the UC same as last year.
Then Rapid and Dinamo will need in the group stage 4 wins and 1 draw between the two of them to match last year at this stage. Again, not the easiest job to pull, but not as hard as, for example, winning 8 games. Quite possible again, I think and that should allow one or even both teams to go on to the next stage.
What happens after the GS should confirm or not if Romania can live up to its own high expectations of building on last year's succes. With last year's 6 wins and 5 draws after the GS it will be pretty hard. Well, maybe a bit easier if all 3 teams will play the Last 32 of the UC. Anyway it should be a pretty close coefficient to that of last year. And pretty logical if you think about it.

@ricardo, with 17 this year, I think 15 should be enough next year to be ahead of France. Impossible, in my opinion. The only chance would be if this year the teams will overperform and get a record coefficient of something like 20 (I was even ashamed to write 20) and this way we'll need 12 next year. But I'll wake up.

Still, this year, a coefficient close to 16-17 would be something fantastic, but not all that hypotetical.

At least the 6-th place at the end of the season !
Author: Farul_CTA Date: 15-09-2006, 19:07	At least the 6-th place at the end of the season for Romania! This is good for the 3 big teams all of them in CL in 2008 but I think not so good for Romania's coef and for the other 3 teams that will be unseded in the 1-st round in UEFA Cup and a big chance to be eliminated! So this year we have to do a big coef. at least 10.00 because in 2008 we'll do max 5.00

Author: TITAN
Date: 15-09-2006, 20:08
Edited by: TITAN
at: 15-09-2006, 20:09

SHEV, it looks like the good doctor wasn't that crazy after all.

He predicted a possible 5th place, but I don't remember he said this was true in terms of championship quality or strength. He was strictly referring to coefficients, numbers and statistics.

This could theoretically happen, if Germany and Portugal have a mediocre season and all of the Romanian teams perform as last year. Already a joined coefficient of 6, and there could be at least 15 more matches for us.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: chris85 Date: 15-09-2006, 23:33	Doctor was very optimistic but not crazy although many thought that when he sad that Romania can be fifth at the end of this season. And now Romania is very close to the fifth place, and I dont say that it will reach it but look at how close is Doctor by what he predicted.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Pedro Date: 15-09-2006, 23:43	Close is not ... on. And Romenia will be always ... close.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 16-09-2006, 00:04	Pedro, i have to admit that your reply was somehow painful, but if "crazy" doctor's prediction will prove to be right then you will have to admit Romania's last year no. 1 country ranking was not an accident...and that will no more mean luck but real power of romanian football...for the moment you just have "stylish football" still to watch so...enjoy the game

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Lupta_Steaua Date: 16-09-2006, 00:12	And by the way Pedro, you would not like to be in SHEV's shoes right?

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Pedro Date: 16-09-2006, 00:27	I prefer the portuguese shoes. More stylish than the italian, better quality than the ucranian.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 16-09-2006, 10:15
Edited by: Maluyaca
at: 16-09-2006, 10:17

@ Pedro

Obrigado par sers um idiota. Tu fales como um adepto mas nao como uma pessoa que sabe discutar com argumentos e ver a realidade. Aqui neste forum as pessoas estao fartes dos Romenos a dizer que sao os melhores e agora comesas tu a fazer a mesma coisa. Nao sejas arrogante por favor. Desculpe la para o meu mao portuguese, falar la vai mas escrever nao é o minha melhor qualidade. Sou filho de pais Portugueses que vivem na Belgica. Eu espero que vez o que eu quero dizer e a minha forma arrogante de comunicar é so um medio para ver se compreendes o que eu quero dizer. Quem sou eu para dizer que es um idiota nao te conheco. Para acabar Viva Portugal.

@rest

I'm sorry for trying to talk portuguese in these topic but I hope that Pedro understands what I want to explain to him.

Author: Serge
Date: 16-09-2006, 10:32

Maluyaca

You are right: "Aqui neste forum as pessoas estao fartes dos Romenos a dizer que sao os melhores e agora comesas tu a fazer a mesma coisa"

But we cannot do anything, we represent latin nations, we now that latins are very impulsive and easily excited... Who knows, maybe Pedro is saying sth. true, cause we all laghed at doctor's affirmations, but now he is not so far with his profesies

I notice that Romanian and Portuguese football have much in comun, if not speaking about infrastructure ( Romania has much work here, Steaua made first step, now Rapid wants to do sth.) : many local talents, love for techinique, ambition for victory and more results than allows the budget !

Hai Romania !!!
Viva Portugal !!!

Regards

Author: moro
Date: 16-09-2006, 12:10

First of all, 6-th place or 5-th place, doesn't matter. Than why are romanians scared of having 6 teams wich could affect our coefficient?? It would be a great thing to have those 3 teams in CL, it means money and experience for our teams. And we should remember that we'll stay in top at least 5 years, than we will slowly go down, but not under 15, so 2 teams in CL, OK. Look at the "team ranking", Steaua, Dinamo and Rapid will allways be seeded, after next year the'll have about 40 coef, 60 for Steaua (2-nd pot minimum).
This year Portugal is in great difficulty, I should rather say "if" Rapid go through. Because if this happends, Portugal will be in biiig trouble (very difficult next round with Man Utd, Arsenal, at Moscow, at Chievo, at Herenveen!!! maybe only 0.5 coeff., instead 1-1.33 romanian coeff). Right now we (Ro) are only 2.25 ( about 1.6 I think in two weeks) coef behind Po. From UCGS Portugal will divide points /6 (with 4 teams running, 3 in CL with very tough games), almost half regarding Romania who will divide/3 (with 3 running, only one with very tough games). Once again, IF Rapid... So this game will be crucial.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gabriel1 Date: 16-09-2006, 12:27	if Romania finish on 6th place this year , in the future,we have garantated 3 years with 6 teams(+1 it) in Europe...that will be great beause we never ever have until now more than 4 teams in Europa... Romania entry in Europe with football too...

Author: Frk_Slb
Date: 16-09-2006, 12:58

Espectáculo! Já se fala Português neste forum!

I know everyone wants its team and country to be best and achieve the best rankings, but we have to face the facts and arguments.
Everybody agree Romania's football has not the same expression than Portuguese's, our teams have better uefa ranking, we reached great results and our national team is only between 4 best teams of the world

. But in this moment, Romania has a better position in europe, because the rankings are divided only by 3 and 02/03 season points are reduced, while Portugal have excelent 02/03 season points and the rankings are divided by 6..
In this way, there is a high possibility Romania reach 5th or 6th, what will be certain at the beginning of next season.

Author: moro
Date: 16-09-2006, 13:42

Frk, nobody says here that romanian soccer is better than portuguese, I don't even remember when a romanian team beated a por. team (except Timisoara agains Sporting 15 years ago). I remember every time Benfica was there, we lost; remember Chaves, Porto and others.
But the wheel turns, and you must recognized that if you have three teams of one country doing well and very well, you must considere maybe the fourth and fifth team can do as well and give them chance to show. I think that's what UEFA coefficient is about. Then if you have 6 teams, but only 3 doing well and 3 not well at all, you let them one year-or two, then cut off. That's all. I think it's fair.
You must also admit that doing what Bucarest teams are doing with 6 mil euro/year it's fantastic. Romanian club-football deserve respect for that.
Our teams could do (now) 4-6 in every championship in Europe except Spain and England. We're on the weve, let us enjoy; we'll certainly fall down sometime, but there's 5 next years in "rose" to come. And who knows, maybe 2011 will see Steaua (or other) lifting the big cup, 25 years after las one.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 16-09-2006, 15:48	Romania will in 2 years be where Portugal was the last (2) years: 3 teasm in CL and 3 unseeded teams in UC, resulting in a very difficult way of maintaining a top-10 position. Sofar they have managed.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Maluyaca Date: 16-09-2006, 16:09 Edited by: Maluyaca at: 17-09-2006, 12:44	@moro Are you still drunk :-) I remember a match where a team of Romania beat a Portuguese team. Rapid did this on thursday :-(

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: moro Date: 16-09-2006, 16:24	Beat means eliminate; I remember Craiova-Chaves 3-2, it was a beat, but not enough...

Author: STK
Date: 16-09-2006, 18:47
Edited by: STK
at: 16-09-2006, 18:54

Give all the romanian-portughese palmares if you want to make a point. Because is even harder to remember the opposite.

And why always came people to speak about national teams. What this have to do with anything? Who cares about that slow-motioned '80 years football. The best teams will be that teams that heve the best coaches (who knows to make the better selection); because good players are everywhere and for each nation. The coach who will have the ability to identify the best ones and the one with the best form will have better results, the others will not.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 16-09-2006, 19:29	You miss one important piece for a coach: find the ones that can best play together. best individuals is not enough

Author: STK
Date: 16-09-2006, 19:47

Yes Ricardo you are right. Some of the best footballistic talents can be worst players in national team context. There that kind of players that plays only to take the eyes of the players agents with their individual execution, neglecting all the team work.

We have a lot of these ones, and the funny thing is that they are the ones that play to big teams ouside, not the ones from domestic championship (ex. Mutu was always this kind of player, who came with totally different atitude to national teams than to his club).

I don't think that good coaches takes to national team, this kind of players, and neglect all other facts, and put all the expectations in one players daily inspiration and still have good results.

Author: Frk_Slb
Date: 16-09-2006, 19:50

@moro

I agree with you, I was just saying that. I think UEFA coefficient system is fair, if a country with 6 teams can not do better than a country with 3 teams, that 6 teams must be cut off, and the last should have an oportunity to have 6 teams. And that is what’s happening with Portugal and Romania. Romania teams are doing well so far, mainly steua with excelent victory against dinamo, and everybody must recognize that, as I do (and I?m portuguese)

@STK

I talked about the national teams to give an ideia about both countries football. And don’t say that good players are everywhere and for each nation and that the best teams will be that teams that have the best coaches because I doubt some national teams, like Romania, even with the best coaches like mourinho, win any competition or achive great results.

Author: STK
Date: 16-09-2006, 20:08

@Frk_Slb,

Not only a coach with tactical knowledge, like Murinho is one of the greatest today, but a coach with great selection abilities. And i don't know if he will win something, but the results and teams's game will be considerable better.

In my opinion almost every nation has great players that if were good selected they can follow the path of Greace, 2 years ago.

Although, countries like Brasil and Argentina, due to the huge number of talents COULD have remarcable results with weak national coaches, but look what happen with these countries to the last Word Cup because of a terible weak selection.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: iceblu Date: 16-09-2006, 20:45 Edited by: iceblu at: 16-09-2006, 20:48	@I doubt some national teams, like Romania, even with the best coaches like mourinho, win any competition or achive great results. tell me a more famous greek player (European Champions)then mutu or chivu right now...Greece won the Euro 2004 without any big name in their team.

Author: Pedro
Date: 17-09-2006, 00:03
Edited by: Pedro
at: 17-09-2006, 01:03

@Maluyaca

Please, mind your own business. This is an open forum. Everybody has the rigth to be an idiot,a lunatic or whatever. If you don't like,pass over!!! If you have identity problems, there are doctors.
Who are you to judge other person and call him idiot( an insult)?
I know very well the UEFA ranking system and I know very well portuguese football to say we will be 6th for many years. Turkey? Greece? Russia? Romania? Here today, Gone tomorrow!

Author: badgerboy
Date: 17-09-2006, 02:20

Pedro

Sometimes it's not enough to know just the football of your own country.

You may know the level of Portuguese teams well. But if teams from other countries are improving & the Portuguese not how can you judge Portugal will remain 6th.

Right now it looks possible - though far from as likely as it did - for this year. Very difficult for next year. More realistically Portugal will probably drop to as low as 9th or 10th for at least a few seasons (as they did between 1999 and 2002).

You're right to say that it would be a surprise if they dropped further though (or stayed below 7th for very long). They've been a "top 10" country for the past 24 seasons - UEFA only started to base entry spots on coefficients two years before that and have only been ranked outside the top seven in six of those 24 seasons.

By contrast Romania have been ranked in the top 10 only five times in 26 seasons (including the 2006 ranking) - and never higher than 8th. Of course this is probably about to change! But, having 11 seasons outside the top 16, they do have a lot more to prove with regard to their ability to sustain a high position.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: sigfred Date: 17-09-2006, 02:58 Edited by: sigfred at: 17-09-2006, 03:09	Que tópico doentio Os romenos que levem a bicicleta. People temos que ser duros muito duros como uma barra de ferro O pedro está a partir tudo, é isso aíí Pedrão vai com tudo, que grandes entradas a pés juntos, lolada temos que ser machos. Mas desde já vos digo que os gajos vão-nos passar.Acreditem. Tenho dito.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: TITAN Date: 17-09-2006, 08:11	Ok, let everyone speak in his own language and this forum will become a new Tower of Babel. To our Portuguese friends: it's not our fault that second wave teams like Nacional or Setubal cannot compare to the teams ranked 4-10th in England, Spain, Italy, France or Germany. That's where the strength of a championship resides.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 17-09-2006, 12:44
Edited by: Maluyaca
at: 17-09-2006, 12:52

@moro

Then I can follow you, I made a wrong conclusion. I thought that you meant with beat win a match. My fault.

But you got the message that I was laughing and not being serious with drunk, other people see one word and they are immediatly on their horses.

@pedro

You're right this is a open forum but you have also think about what image you let for you country if you publish nonsens. The line is thin between supporting and hoping the best and becoming arrogant. I think it is already better now with the romanians but before (last year) they were arrogant.

@TITAN

I was making a point to pedro talking in Portuguese. Now it is up to him if he understands it or not. It was for the best but now I try to talk English and not to make a lot of mistakes. But they will happen I'm sorry for that.

Author: sr_sofisticacao
Date: 17-09-2006, 21:59

@Titan: Sigfred just said that Romanians are a bit obssessed with getting ahead of Portugal (I think anyone in this forum would agree with that) and that at the end he believes you will be able to do that.
And you are right, it's at the strenght of the 4th-10th that the relative strenght of a championship resides. That's why on the long run, the Portuguese championship will be ahead of the Romanian (my SUBJECTIVE opinion).
It's very bad for our football that in the last few years, the only seeded team we had that wasn't one of the big ones, Boavista, didn't qualify for the Eurocups. But that's what happened, so why cry over it?
I do expect you to pass us IF Rapid wins against Nacional, which I still have to see, but after the 1st leg, I think that's what's going to happen.
It's a shame that Setúbal had two chances of playing in Europe and always had such weak teams. But take notice in our example, because you only need one or two years with a sub-par team playing in Europe to go down again. Enjoy it while you can, we as are doing this year and will next. I think the "adequate" number of teams for Portuguese football was the pre-Champions League five. Two for CL and 3 for UEFA.

Author: doctor
Date: 25-09-2006, 22:15

i had my ip banned and i don`t know why...ert didn`t answered my mails..same thing i don`t know why.. Romania on 5th a joke? lool

I can`t wait anymore for the UC R1 .I want to make people understand that this could be done and without so much efort.

Now i said from the begining i want 5 th spot because this is a rarly achevement by other countrys.

For my country i want 3 teams in CL so that means 5 th or 6th spot this year. The year after this who knows we will speak in august next year.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gabriel1 Date: 25-09-2006, 22:29	wellcome back, doc...

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Overgame Date: 26-09-2006, 06:15	I repeat : you need 16 points to be 5th if Germany scores 10 points.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 26-09-2006, 08:46	Well, they did that already last year, so why not again. This week will learn us more: Germany could lose Schalke(Nancy), Hertha(OB) and Leverkusen(Sion), while Romania still can keep all (3) teams. If that happens....... Let's wait until Friday before we set the final target for Romania this year.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: STK Date: 26-09-2006, 09:02	I really hope this will not happen (5th place, Germany loosing his teams at least before groups). We really don't need to make another enemies after portughese and dutch (some) users, the germans...? No will be to much. I really don't want to see how a pedro (german version) will look like, or worst a Shev.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Ricardo Date: 26-09-2006, 09:09	Then you(Romania) will just be blocked from entering the EU (is that still possible?). If you want to join this great community, you'll need to pay respect to the big overlord Germany!

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: STK Date: 26-09-2006, 09:41	Don't joke with this, is serious stuff Germany and Frace are the guards of the top trio: Spain, Italy and England. Romania on 5th will be a serious threat. Look how we close up, they send their killers to execute us: Lyon (the team with good game in last maches, that is considerate one of the favorite) and Real (a bunch of players who like more the intervius than football but still a big name).

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: CSKA-SOFIA Date: 27-09-2006, 00:09	DEUTSCHLAND uber alles!!!

Author: saibot
Date: 27-09-2006, 12:17

As a German I feel obliged to answer:
I wouldn't have a problem with Romania on 5th place; I always appreciate it when there is a bit of movement in the higher ranks.

For example: I totally dislike the mentality of so called "big" german clubs like Hertha BSC. They put so much energy in the fight for a place in the UEFA Cup and even fire their coach if they don't make it. But when they gain the access they lament about the lack of attractivity of their opponents and so on. (One thing is for sure: They don't play great football, too. Last year they made it through the group stage without scoring a goal by themselves.)
In contrast to that "behaviour" small Alemannia Aachen played some great football showing that they really cared about that competition(then they still played in the second league).

So I prefer some "hungry" teams; you can feel that they don't play because they have to, but because they want to prove something.
If those teams are Romanian, German, Irish, Dutch or whatsoever is nothing I care about.

Author: doctor
Date: 28-09-2006, 13:46

I respect all german teams for their killer mentality,they don`t fogive u ,if they can they will bet u 13-0 ,remember Germany 2 weeks ago. They entered a team in intertoto,and they respect the both cups Shalke semifinalist in UC Hamburg and hertha played very well against Rapid ,especialy Hamburg. Wereder last night had bad luck they had at least 10 oportunites against Barcelon, and 2 minutes and they could beet them. Bayern impressed me from the first match i`ve watched ,they are a great symbol of Europe.
I want them up by i want Romania and Russia at same lvel and there are only 3 places and France has Lyon...So Rusia or Germany will have to play in 7th positon,Portugal is out. My country must be on 6th at least for a year. I want to see how they will perform.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 28-09-2006, 14:30

Doctor Romania will end up on position 6 I think this year or next year but if you want to see how they perform you will have to look at the coefficient and not at the position.

I'm curious to see which coefficient Romania will get next year with 4 teams and probably 1 team in CL and maybe 2.

I'm more curious to see what will happen when Romania will have 6 teams where 2 of them are not seeded but that is for in 2 years.

Good luck to everybody today, important day today for the battle of position 6, 8, 9, 10, 15, 21 .

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: drvasko98 Date: 29-09-2006, 00:10	The doctor's joke stay very realy. Congratulation!

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: leekid Date: 29-09-2006, 10:29	Last season people said "let's see what you'll do next season" because they thought it was just an accident. Now you say the same. We'll have four teams, six. This doesn't means the best three will play worse than now. If you're so curious, multiply last year's coeff by 3/4 and you'll still get a great one.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: doctor Date: 29-09-2006, 10:34	u can discount 2 points in q rounds, and u will get a coeficent of 10-11 ,without anypoint from the 4 th team. Or u can divide by 6 that means 8 minus 2 points = 6 points. Without any point from 3 teams almost imposibel still better then Portugal. Last year all teams where unseeded.Next year 3 of 4 teams willl be seeded. So u got your answer .We still perform more then Portugal and Rusia.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-09-2006, 14:03

Leekid

The difference is that next year and after the best two (or three) Romanian teams will be playing in the Champions League - where it's far more difficult to get points.

I think you can forget about matching the 50.5 points of last season for that reason (unless of course the "newbies" perform really well in the UEFA Cup).

The good news is that - even with the inevitable falling away of coefficient performance next year (a little bit) and after (a lot) either Portugal or some country currently ranked 10th or below are going to have to perform extremely well to stop Romania enjoying at least four seasons with six or seven (Intertoto) clubs in Europe. 2006-07 to 2009-10 in ranking terms; 2008-09 to 2011-12 in competition terms should be a great period (win or lose) for Romanian football.

Time to celebrate in places like Timisoara, Cluj-Napoca & Galati. Who knows maybe even Constanta, Pitesti, Arad...

Let's just hope UEFA don't do anything with competition formats, qualification rules etc. to ruin the "party"

Author: TITAN
Date: 29-09-2006, 14:56

Maluyaca, the 5th place doesn't look that far away now, if both Dinamo and Rapid manage to qualify from the GS, and Steaua joins them in UEFA from the 3rd place of their CL group. But the German opposition is strong, as expected.

If the last year coefficients repeat (~16 for Romania, ~10 for Germany) Romania will get the 5th spot. That would really be a major shock, no matter the circumstances under it was obtained.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: Maluyaca Date: 29-09-2006, 16:37	@TITAN you're right but it's still position 7 for the moment. If you reach position 5 I will congratulate the romanians.

Author: aetius
Date: 29-09-2006, 16:57

if the draw for uefa group stage put in the same group teams from
germany,portugal, romania and holland will see how country play well or not.
with luck romanians could skip from groups in german and holland teams kill one with other ( the "highlander" scenario : must be only one !) and if they very lucky could meet the last portuguese "mohican" team -braga .
will see the draw. and talk after that...

Author: moro
Date: 29-09-2006, 20:47

May I observe that at this moment, 8 months before the end of the european season, only two countries (Spain and Romania) have 100% teams in, four others (England, Italy, France and Czech Rep) lost one, all the others lost at least two teams!!! This means that 4-5-th or 5-6-th teams did very bad, so I will ask everybody to stop explaining us how Romania will go down in few years because of those 5-6-th teams... Cause we will hardly do as bad as 40 european associations did this year.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: gabriel1 Date: 29-09-2006, 22:21 Edited by: gabriel1 at: 29-09-2006, 22:22	Romania ...from 26th place to 7th place (until this moment), in just 2 years..is fucking incredibile... the boss of steaua, of dinamo and rapid just declaired in romanian sport press that they make everything is posibile to put Romania on 6th place this year...

Author: levski.bg
Date: 29-09-2006, 22:52
Edited by: levski.bg
at: 29-09-2006, 23:04

This is really great. Congratulation to Romania !

Now it is hard to keep this positions, but hope you can keep it.

Your teams have good individual players, so they are posible "yummie" for some teams in the west. If you sold all your players (Radoi is alredy Real Madrid player in my Football Manager Simulator, hehe) it will be very hard to keep this level.

I wish you my best.

p.s.

Actually all the countries in this level is good countries with good fans. Belgium, Holland, etc. Hope you all will mess with the supremacy of countries on the top, who is always "SOOOOOOOOOO BIG and SOOOOOO GOOD". It will be much more interesting, if there is not so big gap.

Re: Romania on 5th place this year : ...a joke...
Author: leekid Date: 29-09-2006, 23:05	@badgerboy I don't think CL for romanian teams will mean less points. They can get great coeff this year and the next and thus having good draws in CL GS. Plus the experience and the cash flow. So the hier - the better and the more - the merrier.