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Levski stadium suspension
Author: vakho Date: 28-07-2006, 11:20	Levski most probably will not play on home ground in the next round of CL (if they qualify) due misbehaviour of fans during the CL game on Wedenesday! UEFA has to do a decision. My opinion that UEFA has laso to punish Levski with technical 0:3 loss

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: Tano Date: 28-07-2006, 11:30	What makes you think that the result will be 0:3? Maybe this is your proposal? This too big punishment.

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: saras21 Date: 28-07-2006, 11:41	Do you think they will play in Sofia or they will choose another city in Bulgaria?

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: bluefan Date: 28-07-2006, 12:34	your opinion is shit man,if they take a decision like this it'll be a disgrace. i mean,milan arrenges their referies and still they play in the legue,every year roma,lazio or inter fans are doing incredible things. maybe they'll decide levski to play in another country their home game and that'll be it

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: shock Date: 28-07-2006, 16:44	UEFA won't take any action on that issue untill 17th August,so Levski will play in Sofia on a full stadium against Chievo in the first leg!!!Good luck to Levski!!!

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: dawgs Date: 28-07-2006, 16:58	@vakho So how bad did they misbehave? I gather the Swedish media has given some really extensive coverage for you to form an opinion, a rather radical one too.

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: LevskiFan Date: 29-07-2006, 00:16 Edited by: LevskiFan at: 29-07-2006, 00:20	Yea, the Levski financial director Konstantin Bajdekov said that its for sure that we will play our 1st leg match from the QR3 of CL against Chievo in Sofia! I am not sure why vakho wanted us to get punished so much...I guess he is really sad now I'm glad that Uefa for the first time made the right decision Btw thx shock here's a link: http://www.gol.bg/article.php?id=6194

Author: dave_sheffield
Date: 29-07-2006, 03:38

To Levski fans:
can you try to describe honestly what happened? Sioni would have some reasons to ask 3-0awarded or it was just normal trouble and so a fine or a disqualification it's enough.

I think 0-3 would be correct only if the beahaviour of Levski fans was obstacle to Sioni players.... and i didnt read anything bout that.

Finally i think Levski has a chance.... Chievo is a good team but they dont deserve Champions League....like Roma dont (5th position)

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-07-2006, 04:09
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 29-07-2006, 04:14

dave, the reason why sioni were claiming for something is because there were a lot of flares thrown on the pitch close to sioni's goalie and because also 10 bombs were thrown...nobody was injured or hurt! Here's a video which shows everything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnHzp8wltzE&search=levski
hope this will help u see it urself

Theres no reason for us to get punished....playing at empty stands or in a different city, this is something which happens in many other stadiums and uefa proved that ba delaying the decision date for the 17th!

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 29-07-2006, 06:58

Wrong!
I hope you do get punished! Not because I am a CSKA fan, but because stupidity and barbarism needs punishment. Sadly, in Bulgaria, being a hooligan, or a gangster is considered cool. Those people are not fans, they are drug addicts, they are criminals! No one got hurt you say?! I ask you this, do we have to wait until someone gets hurt to do something about it? How are you supporting your team?? This is not the wright way for sure. There has to be a law in this country, because in Bulgaria people think that democracy means anarchy. But that's a different topic for a different forum.
And by the way, I support ALL Bulgarian teams in UEFA, and I do wish that Levski makes it to CL, but I do have a problem with some of their fans.

Author: levski.bg
Date: 29-07-2006, 12:11
Edited by: levski.bg
at: 29-07-2006, 12:19

You have problems with SOME of the Levski fans, but you want punishment and heavy penalty for the club and ALL the fans ?

Heh...

Yes, you're right, there must be good laws and not hooligans on the stadiums, but if we punish club all the time, that is not a solution of progres.

For example, if I hate your team CSKA and have cupple of similar friends and know that CSKA have the last UEFA warning to get a serious penalty, I and my friends can go, make a serious shit and make CSKA kiss euro tournaments good bye.

I am not mention that was some provocation from CSKA fans, but our club make anything posible to stop this ! MARK THAT.

There was appeal one day before the game, there was over a 100 appeals during the game, and there was a orginised police forces.

One more thing can be done and that will work even better from a very strong police forces and law againts football hooligalism.

That is the reaction of majority of people in stadium. If there is no tolerance for this shits, they will not happen ! ..and all the people will be policeman in that case.

Have you watch our game with Sioni ? I bet no, because you dont hear how 90% or our fans act to vandalism of few kids-idiots.

Most of the fans BOOOOOOO their action, and I can tell you that bombs is no longer welcome in our stadium.

And you have to see, how our officials act to that! They and 100% of our players define fans actions like stupid and idiotic.

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: Marko_Bgd Date: 29-07-2006, 15:47	It's off topic completely, but I'm aware that on this topic I can find some Bulgarian fans. I'm interested to hear your opinion about Ibrahim Gueye, central defender that played last year for CSKA Sofia and has signed today for Red Star. Is that a good signing or no? Please try not to take in consideration if he hasn't played for your favourite team. Thanks a lot!

Author: Munja
Date: 29-07-2006, 15:55

What a horor movie! It looks just like Marakana or JNA stadium on big games. Seems that Bulgaria and Serbia (and Croatia) have same problems.
How many of people who threw flares was arested? I see that they are all pictured, or that they could be pictured easely. I can't belive that police can't identify hooligans, or that they didn't violate single Bulgarian law. What about posession and consuming drogs, posession of weapons, throwing flares, bombs (I suppose that they are forbiden by some law), endangering other people's lives.
Its just that politicians and fans and club officials are on the same side. Crvena Zvezda and Partizan are always paying trips for most violent fans to away matches, and I gues that it is the same situation in Bulgaria.

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 29-07-2006, 16:31
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 29-07-2006, 16:43

Balkan Tourist: I assume u remember the Gergana accident on Cska's match against Galatasaray from the CL QR3 in SOFIA RIGHT? So don't call us barbarians or anything like that, cause people are afraid to come to ur matches a lot more than ours! Whan happened 3 days ago was a revenge from the stupid "Sofia-WEST" Ultras! They are usually payed by the Levski staff, but some days before the match against Sioni, the board refused to do so and they got pissed off! They organised this bombing, so thats why that idiotic scene, in which thank god nobody got hurt, happened! Believe it'll NEVER, EVER happen again because all the Levski fans were really frustrated and promised that if they see anybody throwing a bomb again...they will simply break their hands so they can't do it again! A group of 100 or 500 people can't take away the dream of milions Levskari(thats how Levski fans are called) Before tomorrows Bulgarian Super Cup match, things aren't looking pretty at all. There are rumours that the biggest Levski Ultras "NFK" AND "Sofia-West" are organising a huge fight near the stadium BETWEEN EACHOTHER! This has never happened before...theres never been so much hate between our fans! I have no idea whats gonna happen tomorrow...but its defenetly not going to be good! I really hope that a solution to all that will be found.......we cannot continue this way! So many important matches are are yet to come, the most important ones with Chievo are a week from now.......!!!!
Munja: none of the hooligans who threw bombs were arrested, even though there were police cameras in front of Sektor B....catching everything that happened! If the police wants.....they can identify those idiots easily....but the problem is that they know all these people and just don't want to arrest them!

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: drvasko98 Date: 29-07-2006, 17:41	to Marko_Bgr Marko Iam Levski fan. Guye is very good defender - strong, tall, exellent play in the air and main his advantage, he always gives 120 % for the team. In the begining of his bulgarian period, he often got yellow even red cards, but in last 2 years he was only 2 yellow cards in 14 european matches

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:19

Dear Levski friends, I never intended to insult anyone.
For your information, because I am not so sure how long you've been following the topics here, I was the FIRST one to condemn and express my absolute disgust with the RACIST behavior of CSKA fans in the game with Liverpool. I was also the FIRST one to condemn the behavior of CSKA fans when that bomb almost killed the girl at the Galatasaray game.
Why are you so blind?? When will you wake up? This is just a game. People shouldn't die because of a stupid game, no matter how important it seems for you? Why is there so big division and hatred between fans?? That's definetely not how it's supposed to be? Because to hate is wrong.
So instead of looking at the problem and thinking to yourself how YOU can make a difference in solving it, you start pointing fingers.
I read the LEVSKI - CHIEVO topic and I couldn't have agreed more with KoZ. The problem with Bulgarians is that they always try to find the fault somewhere else, they are never at fault and they never admit it. Of course not all of them are like that, but it's a national feature, and you can't deny it.
We are all in this together, there is no Levski, no CSKA, we are all citizens of one country, and ALL of us can make a difference. If each and everyone of us tries and does the right thing regardles.
And so the first step in fighting this is personal example. Then the second one is a severe reprimanding anytime a socially unacceptable act occurs. Third is acting upon it. Being in the first line.
Why people in Bulgaria don't respect law? Why is the police so hated? This is what seperates civilized countries from barbarians.
I love my country and I hurt everyday, but I believe that the first step in resolvng a problem is admitting that you have one.
So stop looking for fault anywhere else, and let's all stop the violence, so we can bring our wifes and children to football games again!

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:39

@BalkanTourist : "For your information, because I am not so sure how long you've been following the topics here, I was the FIRST one to condemn and express my absolute disgust with the RACIST behavior"

This is very nice to hear

but it seems to me more like Steaua's last season official efforts in order to avoid suspension of their home ground after racist remarks to a Shelbouirne's player have been made by the supporters .

If UEFA has audio or video proofs of racist or very bad behaviour of Levski's supporters, under no circumstances they will avoid suspension

It might also depend if this is or not the first time this happens.

Author: Munja
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:43

You know, today is everything about money and politics. Violent fans can do watever they want because, one of them is someone's son, the other has a big connection, third has a lot of money... Dirty politicians do not wont to arest them because they will need a favour from that same fans on next elections. And this is all happening throughout the Balkan because western countries have deals with that dirty politicians.
Its not only in football. Every aspect of society is suffering because of it.

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:45

Romanian friend, I think you are missing the point here.
It is not wether Levski will or won't get punished (I hope they will) but that we all need to condemn these acts and agree that such behavior is not acceptable anywhere in our societies. And like I said, the first step in dealing with the problem is admitting that we have one. Then we all can discuss how we can prevent this from happening in the future.

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 29-07-2006, 23:49 Edited by: 5UCLGSteams at: 29-07-2006, 23:54	@Munja :Well it is not almost everything simply, because there are also the good guys.Otherwise.... @BalkanTourist: I didn't miss the point.I was simply amased about those words. Bert knows why

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:52

Munja, I agree with you, but if there are more people suffering from that polititians' decissions who can vote, I doubt that the one or two connections of his will save his career.
Politics is a dirty game. In our societies polititians take care of themselves first before they take care of their relatives and friends and then the commoner. In the west, polititians could be also corrupt, but the majority of them take care of the people who elected them first, then themselves and their relatives. THAT'S the BIG difference. So we need to stop saying that we live in democracy and start practicing it!

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 29-07-2006, 23:54
Edited by: BalkanTourist
at: 30-07-2006, 00:05

When good guys are made to suffer because of a handful of morons, then hopefully those good guys, who are the majority of fans, will do something about it. People who see other people drunk or intoxicated should report them to the police. People who see other people with bombs, knives or anything dangerous entering the stadium should be reported and prevented from entering the stadium.
I've always hoped in the good nature of people. I've always believed that anyone deserves a second chance. So I've always hoped that Bulgarian teams will not get severely punished.
Well, not anymore, Bulgarians only listen to you when they have some interest or when you hit the table with your fist. Now I am hoping they will get punished severely so that they can get the message and learn and change for the better.
And like I said, I love my country, and I think we can be a great nation. So I am sure that if we are made to understand that bombs and violence doesn't create an athmosphere in the stadiums, Bulgarians will find another colorful way to express their support for their teams.

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 30-07-2006, 00:11

Well i think it is also about really understanding where each of us has to stop before authorities intervention.

It is like in this forum: if Bert would start to exclude all people who do not respect essential rules( off topics,racist remarks,etc) once it would be maybe healthy but still very painfull...instead he calmly deletes all these rubbish hoping each of the tourists of this forum understands where he was wrong.

Now the problem is...do they really understand?

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 30-07-2006, 00:25
Edited by: BalkanTourist
at: 30-07-2006, 00:44

Well, if you want to talk about that, ok then.
I thank Bert for his work on statistics. I thank him for supporting this site. But like he admitted himself, he is too lazy to moderate this forum. I can understand that, after all I bet he has other things to do in his life.
When me and Guiseppe suggested that we elect moderators and vote on some rules for this forum, Bert did not reply. So, Bert is ok with the kind of anarchy there is on this forum.
Now, I tried not to go back and discuss the past, but you are really trying. I think that by calling you a "friend", I showed you that, I left the bad in the past and am willing to treat you with respect. As long as you treat me the same way.
P.S. I think Bert has archived all topics from last year, and you can search and find out for yourself that I am not a racist, very far from it actually.

Re: Levski stadium suspension
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 30-07-2006, 00:45	Ok then

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 30-07-2006, 01:14

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 11-09-2005, 16:52

I am a CSKA fan, but I am ashamed of what those morons who call themselves "fans" did. No matter what Cisse did, those monkey sounds were just unexcusable. If I were a colored player playing for CSKA, I wouldn't like playing for a team that treats players alike me with such ignorancy. I say punish them! I remember the time when stadiums in Bulgaria were full and you could bring your wife and children to the game just like it is in every civillized country! Where I live now, people apploud every well played ball by both teams and don't boo or whistle when another country's national anthem is playing. Absolutely disgusting is what happens in the former Eastern block, where after the Changes, there's been a complete moral degradation. What happened to respecting your opponent?! What happened to being able to lose whithout blaming it on the referee, UEFA, Bush, or the Global Warming?!
Perhaps people should know how referees are treated in Bulgaria. Every call is disputed. Players physically attack them. Club owners come to the pitch and withdraw their teams if they don't like how the referee calls the game. Referees are constantly threatened by club official, the crowd.... You get the picture. When is this going to end?!!!