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Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:31
Edited by: dinamozagreb at: 27-07-2006, 23:56 | 3.rd qual. round of Champions league:
ceeded teams: Milan 129,020CQ3 Liverpool 105.950CQ3 Arsenal 101.950CQ3 Valencia 94.818 CQ3 Ajax 60.640 CQ3 Lille 54.757 CQ3 Benfica 51.533 CQ3 Steaua/Gorica 46.381 CQ2 CSKA Moskva 42.504 CQ3 AEK Atena 39.587 CQ3 Dyn. Kijev/Metalurgs 36.777 CQ2 Levski Sofija/Sioni 35.016 CQ2 ?ahtjor Donjeck 33.777 CQ3 Galatasaray 33.634 CQ3 Hamburg 30.960 CQ3 Liberec 28.769 CQ3 unceeded teams: Fenerbah?e/B36 Torshavn 28.634 CQ2 Chievo 23.020 CQ3 Austria 27.723 CQ3 Osasuna 24.818 CQ3 Spartak/Sheriff 21.504 CQ2 Dinamo Zagreb/Ekranas 20.647 CQ2 Crvena Zvezda/Cork City 20.600 CQ2 Hearts/?iroki Brijeg 20.023 CQ2 Mac. Haifa 19.108 CQ3 Standard 17.981 CQ3 Kobenhavn/Mypa 16.593 CQ2 Legia/Hafnarfjordur 16.104 CQ2 Debrecen/Rabotnički 13.840 CQ2 V?lerenga/Mlada Boleslav 11.921 CQ2 Z?rich/Salzburg 10.537 CQ2 Djurgarden/Ru?omberok 9.372 CQ2 2nd qual. round of UEFA cup:
NORTH
ceeded teams Newcastle 75,950 Club Brugge 49,981 Hertha 46,960 Brondby 23,593 FC Twente 19,640 Gretna 10,023 KSV Roeselare 9.981 Molde 8,921 Odense 8,593 Start 6,921 Brann 6,921 unceeded teams: Randers 5,593 Atvidabergs 4,372 Ventspils 3,365 Skonto 2,365 Kaunas 1,925 Suduva 1,925 Drogheda 1,430 Derry 1,430 Levadia 0,880 Flora 0,880 Llanelli 0,770
CENTRAL-EAST
ceeded teams Basel 49,537 Slavia Prague 33,769 Wisla Krakow 29,104 Grasshoppers 23,537 Artmedia 13,070 Rubin 10,504 Metalurg Z 9,777 Chernomorets 8,777 Sion 8,537 Young Boys 8,537 unceeded teams: Mattersburg 6,723 Ried 6,723 Wisla P 6,104 Fehervar 4,840 Zimbru 3,255 Ameri 2,090 Vaduz 1,485 BATE 1,457 Din. MInsk 1,457 Karvan 0,660
SOUTH
ceeded teams: Auxerre 53,757 Marseille 48,757 Partizan 30,600 Rapid Buch 30,381 Hap Tel Aviv 26,108 Litex 24,016 Dinamo Buk 22,381 CSKA Sofia 21,016 Trabzonspor 11,634 Kaysery 8,634 Loko. Sofija 8,016
unceeded teams: Beitar 7,108 Bnei Yehuda 7,108 Kula 6,600 OFK Beograd 6,600 Apoel 6,355 Domzale 5,355 Maribor 4,355 FK Sarajevo 3,695 Ethnikos 3,355 Omonia 3,355 Tirana 1,210 |
Author: Wisla_Krakow
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:34
| Will be somewhere on TV? |
Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:36
| I don't think so.
PS It is still not sure in what geog. group clubs from France (and Belgium?) will go. |
Author: spoonman
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:37
| As always, the draw will be "nearly live" on uefa.com (flash animation). |
Author: zoyman
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:42
| Good Luck for Marseille (please not NK Maribor or Beitar Jerusalem) |
Author: kurt
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:46
| in round 2 qualifying, belgium was always in the northern group,always |
Author: hejazia
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:47
| Belgium will be in the north division, france is a mystery. |
Author: eoinh
Date: 27-07-2006, 23:59
| Will be live on Eurosport? |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:05
| No. Eurosport prefers Field Hockey at that time. |
Author: spoonman
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:07
| I think the draws for qualifying rounds have never been live on telly. |
Author: Vesuvio
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:10
| It would be fair put French team in Northern group, so Norwegian teams would be unseeded and Israelian teams seeded in Southern league. In this way all the seeded team have better coeffient than unseeded ones. |
Author: jessica-alba_81
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:10
| As a Galatasaray fan, we want to match-up with Crvena Zvezda due to their fans..We want to enjoy a hard away travel by clothing Partizan scarfs |
Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:15
| French teams in North is very unlikely, so the last seeded team will be either Beitar or Young Boys:
Beitar hopes that the French teams will be in Central. Young Boys hopes that the French teams will be in South. |
Author: Munja
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:32
| @jessica-alba_81 As a Crvena Zvezda fan, I completly agree. That would give us good chance to progres to Champions league
And I can assure you all that I and my fellow compatriots would not mind at all if the quality of northern or central group was raised by puting French teams there. We are not eager to have them in sothern group. |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:45
| Uh, uh Galatsaray. I like it! I believe that Red Star would have a decent opportunity to qualify for CL GS if we face turkish team. And especially, I dislike Sasa Ilic, former Partizan captain, now one of key players for galatsaray. And I wouldn't recommend you to wear Partizan scarfs, my friend. You will be beaten in Belgrade, even without wearing them. And just to remind those who don't remember-17 years ago Red Star and Galatasaray met in UEFA Cup. Red Star were easy winners 2:0 in Belgrade and 1:1 in Turkey. |
Author: Munja
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:49
| Yes, I agree that Partizan scarfs aren't good idea. They are not realy popular around Marakana. |
Author: ron
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:52
| Marco, best regards from Omer Golan! |
Author: jessica-alba_81
Date: 28-07-2006, 01:59
| ok i say nothing i just wait tomorrow..1/16 chance is not too much but possible..i will make needed adjustments tomorrow if the match-up will be made real.. |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 02:16
| @ron- One of my favourite players. @jessica alba You must understand my desire for Red Star to avoid few clubs that are among top 10 in Europe, but are now in 3 rd QR, like Milan, L'pool Arsenal, Valencia or Ajax. Therefore, I would like to watch the game against Galata in Belgrade in two weeks. And I'm not underestimating your team. And Galatasaray would most probably win in aggregate score, but we would have right to hope that we could perform a miracle. Against Milan it simply doesn't happens. |
Author: LSE
Date: 28-07-2006, 09:48
| Dinamo Zagreb - Slovan Liberec Dinamo Zagreb - Levski Sofia Dinamo Zagreb - AEK Athens
one of them!!!! |
Author: STK
Date: 28-07-2006, 11:06
Edited by: STK at: 28-07-2006, 11:10 | @Marko_Bgd, Aainst Milan it simply doesn't happens.
Why not? In how many game in CLQR3 do you saw Milan playing? You look to that big coefficient and you say ... Wow! This is not real it is a fake. Everything that is over 100.00 is Italy's contribution, another 30-40 points is like an effect of guanrantated games by UEFA agains weak opponents.
Of course i expect the draw and to see Milan's opponent, but i a wild guess tells me that 50% from the unseeded opponents will sent Milan in UCR1. |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 11:32
| @STK Have I mentioned the reasons why I believe that there's no way to win in two games vs. Milan? I don't think so. Milan simply has to play CL GS, and not solely GS, but at least CL semifinals. You should realise that they are ready to do anything necessary on pitch and outside of it to go through. And even if Red Star somehow manage to play magnificient football(which will not happen) there will be a penalty in 88-th minute for "rosso-neri". And that's the main difference between western and eastern club-the club from Serbia will never have referee on their side. And, even without that kind of aid, Milan is far better than Red Star and I'm not told that by their coefficient, but by performances that Red Star shows! And to conclude, I wish that some things will happen in next couple of weeks that will prove me wrong. And I hope that Palermo will participate in 3 rd QR CL. |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 11:40
| Last year Lyon and Bayern Munchen did not manage to kick out Milan. Also in the groupstage Schalke and Fenerbahce did not manage to win from Milan. Fenerbahce is by the way the best placed non seeded team. They lost twice from Milan! Ofcourse Milan can lose, but it will be (partially) based on underestimating the opponent. Milan will be (my) favorite to any of the non-seeded teams. |
Author: STK
Date: 28-07-2006, 11:46
Edited by: STK at: 28-07-2006, 11:55 | Yes but a eliminatory game is something else. CLQR3 is the hardest one, like a mini-final. I'm dying of curiosity to see this teams that usual play direct in CLGS how they react over the tension in CLQR3. Maby i've exagerated with 50% but are still few. It would be nicer to see Milan unseeded playing agains other half, but of course the his coeff do not allow this, unfortunately.
@Marko_Bgd, yes puted this way is more reasonable to wish to avoid teams like Milan. This is a common fear alonside small countries all over Europe.
I've tried to mention before some negative effects of this direct admission in CL groups. Some teams learn the taste of CL games, and there are like a drug afterward, they'll do anything in their power to get it. When a teams find unacceptable not to play in CL, finacialy speaking, then bad things are happening, of course hard to proove only theories |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 11:51
| STK, I agree it's different from GS, but not from k-o phase(Lyon & Munchen). There is a factor in it that they MUST win due to their coefficient, which puts pressure on them, and the factor of underestimating the opponent. Juventus lost recently almost to Djurgarden in Q3 (wasn't there some bribery phonecalls in the process about this????). So indeed it is possible. And there are quite some teams that on a good day (2 days actually) can kick out Milan if they do not play like they should. Kiew and Celtic were also kicked out last year not without a reason: 'weak' teams are getting stronger!! |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:11
| Please, any site with live coverage of the draw for 3 rd round? |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:12
| Tell me please on which site except uefa can I watch the draw live ? |
Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:13
| It's happening on UEFA.com right now - though I can't get the sound because I don't have the right software apparently! |
Author: maciosgh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:14
| Hopefully Legia vs Shakhtar...a tough, tough draw |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:15
| Please, can you tell me the whole link, not just uefa.com? I simply can't find it. |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:15
| i can't understand, that they split up the belgian and french team ? logic ? |
Author: maciosgh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:16
| http://www.uefa.com/live/competitions/ucl/draw/2006.qr3/draw_basic.html |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:20
| Wow, Serbians are very "lucky"... |
Author: maciosgh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:21
| Croatians as well :D |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:23
| I will wait for 2nd of August. And if Palermo replaces Milan we will be very lucky. |
Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:23
| Sheriff/Spartak Moscow v Liberec Shakhtor v Hafnarfjordur/Legia Zurich/Salzburg v Valencia Levski/Sioni v Chievo Hearts/Siroki Brijeg v AEK CSKA Moscow v Djurgarden/Ruzomberok Milan v Cork/Crvena Zvezda Galatasaray v Mlada Boleslav/Valerenga Standard v Gorica/Steaua Austria Wien v Benfica Ekranas/Dinamo Zagreb v Arsenal Kobenhavn/MyPa v Ajax Hamburg v Osasuna Metalurgs/Dynamo Kyiv v Fenerbahce/B36 Liverpool v Maccabi Haifa Lille v Debrecen/Rabotnicki
Painful to follow on UEFA.com but it's done! |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:24
| if ac milan,goes in europe, this would be in my eyes, a disaster
cheating and getting away with it, i hope uefa has some guts |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:26
| two topmatches :
hamburg- osuana
kiev - fenerbache |
Author: Munja
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:29
| It would be a double disaster in my eyes. I mean, one thing is to let Milan play in Europe, but to pair them with my team... That is outrageous! |
Author: Maluyaca
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:31
| As a Genk supporter I say Go Steaua don't let the maffia (Standard) enter the CL. |
Author: hejazia
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:33
| Zurich got hit even worst. If by miracle they pass salzbourg then they play valencia. Talk about having it hard.
Dinamo Zagreb got unlucky, so did Steaua because standard is a tough team. Levski can pass but Chievo wont be easy either. Liverpool i suppose will make an appeal to play in cyprus and Hearts get away with an easy draw. Aek is not what it use to be. |
Author: zanzibar
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:34
| Kiev is exremely fovorite... |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:36
| to Maluyaca
i don't like standard, but i hope that they go to the champions league,they had a good draw, liverpool,hamburg,....
every point a belgium team gets, is welcome, belgium must hold position 9-10 for the automatic champions league spot
and especially spot 9, no team in champions league qualifying round2.
If you are a genk fan, then you know what can happen in QR2 champions league. |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:37
| Kiev is extremely unlucky But after last year, I'd say that it better to play in UEFA cup then nowhere |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:38
| I think CSKA was the luckiest, if I am not wrong. I don't know them well |
Author: gone
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:38
| Steaua beat Liege 2 years ago. 2-0 in Bucuresti. We will o it again. :D |
Author: STK
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:39
| I think that Ajax, Hearts and Levski got the easiest draws. |
Author: Giuseppe
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:40
| Don't worry Maluyaca, they don't stand a chance Did I mention I'm happy with the draw? |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:41
| ajax, that is unbelievable, every year a good draw and then they do not pass some years |
Author: zanzibar
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:41
| @SHEV
dont worry, fenerbahtze is a traditional loser... |
Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:41
| Oh, I feel your pain. I am looking forward to the Kiev - Fenerbahche clash, and I have a feeling it's going to be the Ukrainians going through. What do you guys think about Levski- Chievo duel? I don't know if I should be happy or not. Chievo is a debutant in CL, but they are Italian after all. |
Author: bjkman1903
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:42
| @ zanzibar
I don't think so.. You'll see it (Kiev have big troubles against Turkish teams )
Galatasaray Vs Mlada Boleslav (most probably) and Fenerbahe Vs Dynamo (most probably), I think that's a very good draw for the 2 turkish teams, I give 70 % to GS and 60 % to Fb to enter CL. |
Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:43
| Sky Sports are already discussing whether Liverpool will have to play in Israel or not.
A good draw for them I think. For Arsenal it will be interesting to see how they cope with CLQR3. I don't think they ever entered at that stage before.
Hearts will be happy. Not an easy game (but none are at this stage - especially for the non-seeds) but a very winnable game. The Russian teams should also be very happy with the draw. Personally, I hope both Liberec and Mlada Boleslav progress (I like to see "unfashionable" teams do well. But I would have to make Spartak and Galatasaray favourites. Galatasaray actually probably quite big favourites.
I think Kurt already picked out the two best ties - at least on paper - but I think there are a lot of other very fascinating games from which both sides would feel they have a very good chance to progress.
I already mentioned Spartak/Liberec and Hearts/AEK but also Levski/Chievo, Standard/Steaua and to a slightly lesser extent Austria/Benfica and Shakhtor/Legia stand out like this.
The good thing about the draw to me is that a number of match-ups ensure some definite "new (or very rarely seen) faces" in the group stage. |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:44
| Steaua has a very good draw, as there were a lot of more dangerous floaters than Standard. It is not the ideal opponent, but Steaua is the big favourite in my view. I think Crvena Zvezda, Dinamo Zagreb and Zurich/Salzburg really got screwed. Levski and Dinamo Kiev out of the seeded teams got the toughest draws. |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:44
| you must be honest ,
every unseeded team is happy with : slovan liberec, lefski sofia, aek athens and steaue boekarest.
4 good teams, but the other seeded teams a lot stronger |
Author: esperant
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:44
| I am pretty happy to see Hearts play AEK Athens assuming they dont make a mess of the second leg in Bosnia. It is one of the best ties they could have got, and it would be great to see another scottish team making the Champions League. If nothing else, the 7 or 8 million pounds they would get from it could help them compete with the Old Firm even more. |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:51
| Oh yes, Galatasaray, Shakhtar, Lille and Dinamo Kiev are soooo much stronger than Steaua and Levski. What has Galatasaray done in the last 3 years to make it such a stong team? On the other hand, Steaua was a couple of minutes away from the UEFA Cup final just a few months ago and the team is almost the same. |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:51
Edited by: kurt at: 28-07-2006, 12:56 | to vlad-tzepesh
with all the respect, standard luik is not a top team, but from the unseeded teams, they are certainly not within the group : " 5 worst teams ", so you are happy that you do not have one of them ? i would put standard luik even with the better halve.
one good year does not make steaua a topteam, dreamer
if standard luik was champion, then it still is not better then anderlecht or brugge
ask everybody here to say : who do you want from the seeded clubs, make your favourite 5 : and a lot of people put steaua boekarest in it, if you like it or not , so is it |
Author: bjkman1903
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:55
| @ vlad-tzepesh
They are the turkish champion of last year after all..If you see in this point of view, so tell me what has done boleslav or valarenga ?? Anyway, we'll see the answer soon |
Author: Wisla_Krakow
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:55
| Good Bye Legia Warsaw !
ONLY WISA KRAKOW in POLAND ;-)
If we played in CL this year we would be seeded :-( |
Author: Giuseppe
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:56
| Well as long as we avoided Chievo and Fenerbahce it's OK. There's no reason to be afraid of Standard; a good team, but not much more than that. Also I think we have experience on our side. |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:57
| Here's how I see it: Fenerbahce, Spartak, Chievo, Osasuna, Dinamo Zagreb and Crvena Zvezda are the stong teams I would have liked Steaua to avoid. Then come Standard, Zurich/Salzburg and Austria, but still I'm very happy we were not paired with any of the first 6 teams. Against any other team I consider Steaua the favourite. |
Author: radu
Date: 28-07-2006, 12:58
| Could been better and could been worst for Steaua , Standard is a tought team but Steaua has the 1st chance like 2 years ago. |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:00
Edited by: vlad-tzepesh at: 28-07-2006, 13:01 | @ bjkman I also think Galatasaray is a very dangerous team, but the European results in the last few years have been more than dissapointing. They have the clear potential to become a top team again soon, but by no means do I think Galatasaray is a lot stonger than Steaua. |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:01
| bjkman:
Galatasaray Vs Mlada Boleslav (most probably) and Fenerbahe Vs Dynamo (most probably), I think that's a very good draw for the 2 turkish teams, I give 70 % to GS and 60 % to Fb to enter CL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite funny statement about 60% for Fenerbahce. If Dynamo was unlucky with the draw it doesn't mean Fenerbahce have more then 30% chances to progress. |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:04
| About Standard I would put them into 5 top unseeded teams so anyone who meet them shouldn't very happy with that. And Dinamo Zagreb is surely not in top 5. I'd say they more like in worst half. |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:05
| I agree kurt! Steaua is now as Rosenborg was last summer, everyone wanted them, and all unseeded teams wanted now Steaua, Levski,... |
Author: bjkman1903
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:06
| Fenerbahe will do everything possible to enter CL and be succesful this year (it's the 100th year of the club)..anyway, we'll see it soon good luck to both clubs |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:06
| I thought it was Slovan sweetest seeded team. |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:10
| Fenerbahce, Spartak, Chievo, Osasuna, and Crvena Zvezda
they are better that is true, but dynamo zagreb ?
there are 16 teams you could have drawn, so 5 or 6 teams are better, and they you say, i am VERY HAPPY,
i am VERY HAPPY if a belgian club draw one of the 4-5 worst teams of the 16.
And in my eyes steaua B is still the favourite, i totally agree.
But the game two years ago, one own goal, one goal in extra time, one hit from standard liege hits the post so, very happy as steaua boekarest fan, strange to believe. |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:10
| Forgot about them they are also in this category among others unseeded targets ! Anyway, Standard is a team which I am pretty happy for Steaua, everyting is on how Steaua will abord this Belgian team |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:10
| I never said that Steaua was on the unwanted list of the unseeded teams. On the contrary, I fully agree with this. However, I do think there are at least a few other weaker seeded teams, that were on the top of the wanted list. All in all, Steaua is stronger than Standard and should go through and I say this with respect for the Belgian runner-up, as I excpect two hardly fought battles. |
Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:17
Edited by: vlad-tzepesh at: 28-07-2006, 13:22 | Dinamo Zagreb is not necessarily stronger than Standard, but I think they represent a more dangerous opponent. The summer signings have been quite impressive and a match in Zagreb is considered a nightmare because of the atmosphere created by the home fans, although from what I know Standard also has some passionate fans. And I am very happy precisely because Steaua was not paired against an opponent of similar stature, against which the chances would have been equal or Steaua would even have been a slight underdog. Instead, our opponent is a fairly strong team with European pedigree but against which Steaua is certanly the favourite. |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:21
| i hope that standard wins 1 game and then do a good run in uefacup,
in champions league they win not a single matches and for the countryranking it is better to win a few matches and for their teamranking. In this phase all the subteams want the money from the champions league, but they also want a lot of matches even after the winter. |
Author: STK
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:23
| Ok, i must admit that i've expected both top 5 unseeded teams to have non-top 5 opponents to have a "easiest" path to groups, but Osasuna doesn't confirm this suspicion, they got unlucky enough. Anyway, regardless the coefficients, just one top 5 clash and so many not top 5 clashes, meanig so many teams that will not enter the CL groups at the same time ... is this good?
About the fact that Steaua is seen as easy target, i'm not mad a bit. It is normal like a top 5 team to want to be avoided, most of romanians want the same thing. Why this should concern us. Unfortunately Standard players and coaches won't be such as undersimative with Steaua, because the proffesional teams do not do this. Standard was a middle value unseaded team, meaning that this is nor the happiest nor the worst draw. Let the best team go in groups. And for Steaua's fans, is not better always to get the easiest opponents, because we don't look to CL like a finacial acomplisment, more like an competitional one. And i want to stay that way. |
Author: gone
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:23
| "But the game two years ago, one own goal, one goal in extra time, one hit from standard liege hits the post so, very happy as steaua boekarest fan, strange to believe."
You are wrong. The second goal was scored in the 81 min. But it doesn't matter. We are much stronger then 2 year ago. Plus, the second game will be played at Ghencea. |
Author: Giuseppe
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:24
| Nothing would make me happier but to know Standard won't take us seriously. I just love to hear how Standard is overjoyed about playing us, because we're such weak seeded team and all. This scenario works very well for me I've heard that Standard have changed about half of their team and they have a new coach. That's more good news Such changes are bound to cause problems no matter how good the new signings are. |
Author: Knallie
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:25
| Being dutch, I am very happy with the draw. Ajax couldn't have gotten a better draw I think! |
Author: sayko
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:28
Edited by: sayko at: 28-07-2006, 13:28 | i am a fenerbahce fan and very happy with this draw, i know kiev is a strong team but there were giants like arsenal ac milan Fenerbahce %60 Kiev %40 to qualify i am happy to see sergei rebrov again he played for fenerbahce 3 years ago |
Author: kurt
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:29
| to Giuseppe
standard is very happy with steau boekarest, but at the forum of belgium, HET NIEUWSBLAD, the majority 80 % still think that standard is going out, so do not twist the words
we are very happy, if you see to other teams we could draw, but not many people think we are going te make it, but now we have a chance, against liverpool, very very very little |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:30
| At least the Standard-Steaua tie is a top-10 tie, after Hamburg-Osasuna the absolute top-tie! |
Author: Red_Star
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:33
| What, Standard-Steaua is better than Milan-Red Star? Are you crazy or what? |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:34
| Yes I am crazy, aren't we all? |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:36
| The Uefa drawform does not show the split up of each region in 2 groups.... |
Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:38
| Come on Steaua!
This is a club I hold dear, after meeting some Steaua fans in Rome last year. We told each other of the wonders of our clubs - theirs Steaua, mine Thistle - and since then a part of Firhill has been pro-Steaua.
A good draw for our friends. Just reach out and grab it now. |
Author: Giuseppe
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:38
Edited by: Giuseppe at: 28-07-2006, 13:41 | @Kurt - I haven't checked any Belgian forums, but I understand why they would be happy (even if they still don't believe in qualification). One thing is sure - it's going to be a though tie. Still I think we have a few things on our side: - the decisive leg is at home, in Bucharest - we have more experience in Europe (almost 40 matches in the last 3 seasons) - Standard have made many changes and we've made few changes
The only thing that worries me is the fact I, of all people, am so optimistic. Maybe it's just that I have more faith in Steaua than in Romanian football as a whole.
P.S. one more advantage: support from Firhill |
Author: Knallie
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:42
| Dinamo - Beitar.. |
Author: Knallie
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:44
| and Sarajevo - Rapid |
Author: executor
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:46
| Excellent draw for our teams. Israeli teams do not scare me at all. neither do Bosnian ones. The objective is to get maximum points. |
Author: Munja
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:46
| Serbia could not possibly have worse draw than this.
Milan - Crvena Zvezda Okser - OFK Beograd CSKA - Hajduk Partizan Maribor
It doesn't look good at all. We're to have a glum season... |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:47
Edited by: Serge at: 28-07-2006, 13:48 | Partizan very unlucky to meet Maribor... Beitar - Dinamo, I wonder where the match will take place ?saras21? Sarjevo - Rapid pretty interesting... |
Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:50
| Well, Vaduz wanted to play in the Swiss league (Basel-Vaduz) |
Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:53
| Zimbru - Zaporozhya!
I could not hope for a better draw |
Author: sayko
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:53
Edited by: sayko at: 28-07-2006, 13:57 | trabzon vs Apoel another cypriot team just like last year trabzon is weak and probably lose |
Author: gabriel1
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:53
| good draw for dinamo & rapid...they where maybe afraid only the conflicts on the area steaua has a very good draw with standard...it's the best draw for steaua in the last years... |
Author: STK
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:54
| @Giuseppe, be serious. You are not more optimistic than me !!!
Remember my prediction concerning Steaua ... |
Author: Giuseppe
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:55
| Dinamo - Beitar (not bad especially if they play on neutral groud) FK Sarajevo - Rapid (a Bosnian team shouldn't pose a threat, but with ex-Yu teams you can never tell)
Not too shabby Good chances for all Romanian teams to progress to the next round. The coefficient looks safe. |
Author: Wisla_Krakow
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:55
| Wisa Krakw - mattersburg. How many Km are Mattersburg from Wien? |
Author: Philipp
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:56
| good draw for Ried and Mattersburg, both can go through. |
Author: Lunaris
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:58
| mattersburg is around 60 km from wien, it's in burgenland, the most eastern bundesland of austria |
Author: Wisla_Krakow
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:59
| Philip
No change for Mattersburg!
WISA KRAKOW !! |
Author: KoZ
Date: 28-07-2006, 13:59
Edited by: KoZ at: 28-07-2006, 14:02 | In my opinion the Israeli teams were the scariest from the unseeded ones...Bad draw for Loko Sf |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:00
| Yes Lupta_Steaua We were very lucky, though I wouldn't have minded to see OM in Chisinau We can hope even to reach 1st round now :D |
Author: saras21
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:00
| A very hard draw for Dinamo Bucarest. If the game takes place in Israel, Beitar is simmilar to Dinamo. |
Author: Marko_Bgd
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:00
| Best wishes for Steaua, I'm sure that you have quality to find the way through to top 16 in CL. Standard will be just a railway station for you. And I hope that Red Star will follow your footsteps from last year's Uefa cup campaign! Regards from Serbia! |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:03
| Derry-Gretna - battle for Europe =) |
Author: Lunaris
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:03
| well mattersburg is rising and wilsa is declining, this fact alone gives mattersburg hope |
Author: Philipp
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:03
| i am not afraid of polish teams.
Mattersburg will play in Vienna in the stadium of Rapid. |
Author: spoonman
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:11
| Does anyone have any info about Hertha's opponent FC Ameri? I gather that they've won the Georgian cup and finished 7th in the league. Do they have any star players? How was their form in the 1st round?
On paper this should probably be a walkover for Hertha but they've been chronic underachievers in Europe for ages now. Before winning 2-0 at FK Moskva, they didn't even score a goal in UEFA competitions for some 600 minutes. |
Author: SHEV
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:18
| Star players? In 7-th georgian team? I heard that they almost signed Henry, but transfer failed in the last minute due to misunderstood, because they could pay only $100 dollars instead of asking $100 million dollars |
Author: rossoblu
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:19
| Best wishes for Steaua, I'm sure that you have quality to find the way through to top 16 in CL. Standard will be just a railway station for you. And I hope that Red Star will follow your footsteps from last year's Uefa cup campaign! Regards from Serbia!
Regards from Romania my friend, I hope Crvena could get to the groups together with Steaua, and to became the fearfull teams of the '90.
Steaua ( Star) and Crvena Zvezda (Red Star) are the only 2 teams in Eastern Europe that won the Champions League. |
Author: ron_4321
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:21
| for all of u who windering where the games of the israeli teams will take place: im from israel and yesteday UEFA said that the games will take place in the centre of israel - near where i live - 100-150 km from the bomb range. so dont worry in this place we dont even feel the war(except news) hope i helped u. |
Author: spoonman
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:24
| @ SHEV: With "star players" I meant someone that people from Western Europe might (or might not) have heard of, for example from the Georgian national team. You know, someone who's better than the rest of them... |
Author: Dinamo-Zagreb
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:24
| Dinamo Zagreb wasnt very lucky with draw today, but hey, we know of what we are capable of and we are going to put up a really really good fight against Arsenal. Excellent that first leg is played in Zagreb, match starts from 0:0 and with some luck, our fans and 120% of players devotion, we can suprise whole Europe ! |
Author: spoonman
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:28
Edited by: spoonman at: 28-07-2006, 14:31 | Zagreb v Arsenal would provide a nice reunion of two German internationals: Jens Lehmann and Jens Nowotny. Will Nowotny already be available for the 2nd leg against Ekranas? |
Author: londonserb
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:30
| Damn, Damn, Damn....
Serbian football has more bad luck in the draws. First our national team in Group of death, and now these European draws.
For Hajduk and OFK, it is already over. For Partizan, it will be tough, but they might have enough. For us (Red Star) - we have one special night on Marakana, but we will be out of champions league on aggregate.
We have to beware the co-efficient for this year - it's gonna be real bad. |
Author: ron
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:39
| The game of Beitar - Dinamo will be in Ramat-Gan stedium or Blumfeeld stedium in Jaffa and it's pity for Dinamo not to play in "teddy" in Jerusalem |
Author: executor
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:43
| But why can't it be played in Jerusalem? There's no war there, is it? |
Author: alexx
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:46
| No luck indeed for Serbia.
Still I expect to see Partizan and zvezda in UEFA cup group stage. |
Author: bert.kassies
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:47
| On 21 April 2004, the UEFA Executive Committee approved the lifting of a ban on home matches in Israel for all UEFA competitions. The ban was lifted on condition that matches be played only in the Tel Aviv area, that security guarantees were provided for every match, that the Israel FA and its clubs confirmed this in writing and that UEFA held the right to impose a ban on any match or matches in Israel, should the security situation deteriorate. |
Author: Munja
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:48
| Interesting draw for Irish teams.
Gretna - Derry Start - Drogheda
I hope we will see some more suprises. After the first round, I think that they are capable of repeating succes. |
Author: ron
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:54
| Uefa think that for other reasons Jerusalem is more dengeuros then Tel Aviv |
Author: saras21
Date: 28-07-2006, 14:54
| It is safe in Jerusalem as it is safe in Tel Aviv. But UEFA decieded to play only in TA probably becasue they want the european teams to be in the same place... |
Author: galatasaray
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:02
| good draws for Turkish Teams Galatasaray - Mlada bloslav(absolutely very weak team for Galatasaray) Fenerbahe - Dinamo kiev(its hard game I think fenerbahe will lose and go through to uefa cup) Trabzonspor - Apoel and Kayserispor - Tirana very weak teams for kayserispor and trabzonspor 3 good draw in 4 team its so good |
Author: saras21
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:11
| Just remmember that last year Trabzonspor lost to Anorthisis Famagusta which is weaker than Apoel |
Author: Kronsky
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:18
Edited by: Kronsky at: 28-07-2006, 15:21 | Greetings!
Saw the draw!
Can't really understand those polish from Krakow that does not support all polish teams in EC... Bad draw for Legia! Shakhtar is to strong for Legia but... miracles can happends. They could go for Milan with fairly same chances to win. Legia seems to have a team that maybee have a chance to proceed to GS in UC but I would be surprised if they do. If they play as I saw them in last 2 games, they will be out of comp. very soon.
Wisla Krakow is pleased with the fact that second match is in Krakow. I don't know so much about austrian team, but it seems to be close call in the game. Wisla have solid team and we dont expect so much of surprises as we are used to. So...no big up's for Krakow but no big down's either.
Zaglebie Lubin and Lech Poznan have already shown the level of polish fotball and we don't expect from Plock to do better.
Ukraine will face 2 polish teams in this years edition of EC and I can already congratulate them to good draw!
Best regards to all! /Kronsky |
Author: galatasaray
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:29
| trabzonspor is not weaker than anorthosis too this was just an accident we will see I am so so so sure trabzonspor wil win both of matches and in trabzon city trabzonspor will beat to apoel least with 3 goals |
Author: Richie
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:35
| Good draw, although i'd rather we played in Cyprus instead of Tel Aviv
So, i've got...
Spartak Shakhtar Valencia Levski AEK Athens CSKA AC Milan/Palermo Galatasaray Steaua Benfica Arsenal Ajax Hamburg Dynamo Kiev Liverpool Lille
to go through |
Author: Lyublu_blondinok
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:48
| A lucky day for russians teams. All our rivals are the clubs with lowest possible coeff. |
Author: Tupoy
Date: 28-07-2006, 15:58
| good draw for all russian clubs
CSKA - Djurgarden/Ru?omberok Spartak - Liberec Rubin - BATE |
Author: sayko
Date: 28-07-2006, 16:14
Edited by: sayko at: 28-07-2006, 16:14 | @ galatasaray trabzon is weaker than last year and it was not an accident we will see them eliminated |
Author: galatasaray
Date: 28-07-2006, 16:54
| Trabzonspor is alwasy stronger than all cypriot team was stronger in 1975 will be stronger in 2035 always I will see my scores I am so absolutley sure about that will beat in both of games watch the games. |
Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 28-07-2006, 17:11
| Does anyone know what are the deadlines for inscribing players into the Champions League 3.qualifying round? And main round? |
Author: sayko
Date: 28-07-2006, 17:43
| deadline for q3: 3 august deadline for group stage: 1 september |
Author: drvasko98
Date: 28-07-2006, 18:34
| Dificult draw for Levski, but i think its good to play first match at home. Maybe it is time to beat second italian teamwith away win. I prefer Chievo than Kopenhagen, Red star, Zuerich/Salzburg, Dinamo Zagreb or Standart (against some of these teams our media would be say we are favorite and our players will be in great presure,i dont think weare better than every of team above)and espesialy Osasuna, Spartak, Fenerbahche. Against italians nobody say we are favorite. We must play very carefull first match and 0-0 will be perfect result such like Red star - Chievo 3 years ago 0-0 and 2-1 away win. |
Author: jessica-alba_81
Date: 28-07-2006, 19:27
| Spartak Mos-Slovan Liberec:2(two weak teams one of them will surely qualify unfortunately) Shaktar-Leggia:1(Ukrainian team has advantage but Leggia have chance to make its bigger surprise after years) Zurih/Sazlburg-Valencia:2(no differance for Valencia between Suisse and the Austrian team) Levski Sofya-Chievo Verona:1(But Italian team also has chance to qualify) Hearts-Aek Athens:2(Still two very weak teams that the qualifier of this match can have 0 at group stages) CSKA Mos-Djurgarden/Ruzenberok:1(Cska will go throught surely but this doesn't mean they will be ok at grouops) Milan-Redstar Beograd:1(To another season hopes for Yugoslavians) Galatasaray-Boleslav/Valerenga:1(If Bolewslav qualifies, very easy qualification can be made by Turks, but if Valerenga eliminates Boleslav, Turkish side can have difficult moments) Standart Liege-Steau Buc:2(Romanian side is strong unlucky draw for Belgiums) Austria Wien-Benfica:2(Another predefined match-up,Portugueses will have no problem) Dinamo Zagreb-Arsenal:2(If all unseeded teams can combine their players against English side, it will be no difference so i declare the win of this match without considering which team is playing versus them) Cophenag-Ajax:2(Good draw for Dutchs, they will advance) Hmburger-Osasuna:1(I think another unlucky draw for Osasuna after the draw of Rennes last year in uefa cup.If they would played versus another seeded they could have chance to advance but against Hmburger, it seems a little hard) Dinamo Kiev-Fenerbahce:???(I think as long as 1 day on this match but i can't still comment on a result.The most difficult match to decide the qualificator.50-50 changes.First game is very important if Turkish side will not able to have a draw on the road,their job can be difficult versus a team that playes properly on the road) Liverpool-Mccabi Haifa(No need to talk.The second precise result of the round) Lille-Debrecen/Rabotnicki:1(Very lucky draw for Lille, they will qualify) |
Author: Aliceag
Date: 28-07-2006, 21:12
| Reasonable draw for Portuguese side. I guess it won't be THAT easy, but Austria Wien is acessible to Benfica. I really hope to see for the first time 3 Portuguese teams in Champions League!! :D I was hopin chievo and osasuna could collide with arsenal or milan hoping one top seeded to go out, and another Portuguese team climb to pot2, but now it will be hard to happen. |
Author: coppo
Date: 28-07-2006, 21:17
| @jessica_alba_81: what do you mean ? Unlucky draw for Belgians (Standard vs Steau). How would you consider then when Standard drawed Arsenal or Milan ? |
Author: Serge
Date: 28-07-2006, 22:38
| Can anyone tell me a site of Standard ( in English if possible...) ? |
Author: FenerbahceFan
Date: 28-07-2006, 23:05
| Well, I must say it is a good draw for Fenerbahce. Amid giants, picking up Dynamo Kiew was lucky.
Dynamo is still a very strong team and I think chances are %50 - %50.
Fenerbahce is in the process of transfering 3 foreign players to the team, and announced total budget just for these 3 players is around 30 M $.
They already have Alex, Anelka , Appiah, Tuncay, Aurelio as very key players. And 3 very strong names are about to be included to the list just before August 3rd.
Dynamo is very strong with its offense and Fenerbahce has significant problems with it so far.
I`m expecting to see 2 very head-to-head games and hope to see Fenerbahce qualify for the group stage. |
Author: LevskiFan
Date: 28-07-2006, 23:13
Edited by: LevskiFan at: 28-07-2006, 23:14 | Well I can say that my team's draw was ok! Not very good...but not bad either! Against Chievo we have pretty good chance of qualifying to the CL! I think that an advantage for Levski in the qualifier is that we play the first match in Sofia! If we get a win with 1 or more goals without conceeding any, we will have a huge chance to progress! But lets not forget that this is a top 6 team from Italy, pretty solid indeed with some very good players like Pellissier, Moro and etc... so we shouldn't get too excited, at least until the end of the first leg, when we will see how both teams play! Levski are still finding their old shape from last season, and Chievo weren't even thinking of playing for the CL until 2/3 weeks ago! So things are looking pretty tigh in this clash, but I expect my team to qualify for the CL, and be the first from Bulgaria ever to enter it, since the change of the format SAMO LEVSKI!!!
About the BG teams in Uefa Cup.. Cska - Hajduk I don't expect any difficulties for Cska here, and of course expect two big wins!
Omonia - Litex Litex won't have any trouble to qualify for R1, a little bit hard fought win in Nicosia..... and a persuasive win in Lovech!
Bnej Jahuda - Loko Sofia Here I also expect Loko to progress! The only trouble they might have is that Bnej are totally misterious team to them and in the first match they will get to know them....maybe a draw in Israel and a win in Sofia!
Overall I can say that the draws were good for Levski and very good for all BG teams in UEFA I expect all of them to progress to the next rounds and LEVSKI Qualify for the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!
BALGARIA NAD VSICHKO! |
Author: FCK
Date: 28-07-2006, 23:51
| FCK/Mypa - AJAX
Don't think AJAX is such a big favourite as you all are saying...They will probably meet FC Copenhagen in the 3rd round, and if any AJAX fan can remember the uefa-cup a few years ago they remember a draw 0-0 as vistors at Parken Stadium and a 0-1 defeat at home at Amsterdam ArenA.
Anyway good luck to all teams in the 3rd round and may the best teams win :-) |
Author: nolan
Date: 29-07-2006, 01:25
| Still to early to tell probably, but Benfica has been far from brilliant in the preseason, so Wien could probably give us a good run for our money (literally). Then again they don't look so sharp in the austrian league either so who knows.
I think Spartak, Chievo, Hearts and Fenerbahce are the unseeded teams with the best chances of going through. |
Author: Serge
Date: 29-07-2006, 11:25
| Thanks Bert Congrat. with Ajax draw :D |
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