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Author: uiu
Date: 21-07-2006, 01:35
Edited by: uiu
at: 21-07-2006, 01:52

Here are the fixtures for 2nd round:

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva
Debrecen - Rabotnicki
Gorica - Steaua
København - MyPa
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga
Djurgården - Ružomberok
Hafnarfjördur - Legia
Zürich - Salzburg
Fenerbahçe - B36
Hearts - Široki Brijeg
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv
Cork - Crvena Zvezda
Levski - Sioni

Who will get trough?

My predictions are:
Dinamo Zagreb,Spartak Moskva,Debrecen,Steaua,København,Mladá Boleslav,Djurgården,Legia,Zürich,Fenerbahçe,Hearts,Dynamo Kyiv,Crvena Zvezda and Levski.
First stages will be 25/26 of July,2nd on 2 August.

Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 21-07-2006, 01:52

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb

Sheriff - Spartak Moskva
Debrecen - Rabotnicki
Gorica - Steaua

Kobenhavn - MyPa
Mladá Boleslav - Valerenga
Djurgården - Ružomberok
Hafnarfjördur - Legia
Zürich - Salzburg
Fenerbahçe - B36
Hearts - Široki Brijeg

Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv
Cork - Crvena Zvezda
Levski - Sioni

So, Široki Brijeg, Salzburg, Ružomberok and Gorica from unseeded going through.

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 03:21
Edited by: STK
at: 21-07-2006, 03:22

Gorica - STEAUA
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva
Debrecen - Rabotnicki
København - MyPa
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga
Djurgården - Ružomberok
Hafnarfjördur - Legia
Zürich - Salzburg
Fenerbahçe - B36
Hearts - Široki Brijeg
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv
Cork - Crvena Zvezda
Levski - Sioni

Someone must be a convict with 10 years without TV (not to mention other activities

), to say that STEAUA will not pass Gorica.

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 21-07-2006, 03:37
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 21-07-2006, 03:42

Gorica - Steaua 2
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 1
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1
København - MyPa 2
Mlada Beloslav - Vålerenga 2
Djurgården - Ružomberok 1
Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2
Zurich - Salzburg 1
Fenerbahçe - B36 1
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 1
LEVSKI - Sioni 1

The surprises to go through wil be Ekranas and Cork! The rest is normal...

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: sertorius Date: 21-07-2006, 06:26	Only Salzburg gets through from the unseeded teams by beating out Zurich.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Serge Date: 21-07-2006, 09:24	STK, I am very happy that at least one person gives chances to Sheriff In my opinion another unseeded team ( besides Sheriff ) that can pass through is Salzburg ( big investments ) .

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Philipp Date: 21-07-2006, 09:29	from the unseeded teams Salzburg, Mlada Bolesslav, Gorica, Ruzomberok and Rabotnicki will go through.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: LSE Date: 21-07-2006, 09:31	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb Sheriff - Spartak Moskva Debrecen - Rabotnicki Gorica - Steaua Kobenhavn - MyPa Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga Djurgarden - Ruzomberok Hafnarfjordur - Legia Zuerich - Salzburg Fenerbahce - B36 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv Cork - Crvena Zvezda Levski - Sioni

Author: drvasko98
Date: 21-07-2006, 09:36

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2 , 2
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2 , 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1 , 1
Gorica - Steaua 2 , 2
Kobenhavn - MyPa x , 1
Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga x , x Val past
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok 1 , x
Hafnarfjordur - Legia 1 , 2 Leg past
Zuerich - Salzburg 1 , 2 Zuer past. Money dont play in field
Fenerbahce - B36 1 , 1
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1 , 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2 , 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda x , 2
Levski - Sioni 1 , 1

Author: exile
Date: 21-07-2006, 09:49

OK, I've got to ask it - why do people here think Siroki will beat Hearts?

Hearts finished 2nd in Scotland. Rangers, 3rd, reached the CL round of 16.

Last season Siroki lost 0-1,0-5 to Basel. Hearts beat Basel 2-1 in Basel in 2004-5.

Hearts have a coefficient of 20.023, Siroki 2.695

Scotland's national coefficient is 30.375 (11th), Bosnia 8.165 (30th)

Of course anything can happen in football, but we're talking here about what we think is most likely to happen, not what we would like to happen!

Author: executor
Date: 21-07-2006, 09:51

{pre>
Ekranas - {b>Dinamo Zagreb{/b>
{b>Sheriff{/b> - Spartak Moskva (1)
Debrecen - {b>Rabotnicki{/b> (2)
Gorica - {b>Steaua{/b> (3)
{b>Kobenhavn{/b> - MyPa
Mlada Boleslav - {b>Valerenga{/b>
Djurgarden - {b>Ruzomberok{/b> (4)
Hafnarfjordur - {b>Legia{/b>
{b>Zuerich{/b> - Salzburg (5)
{b>Fenerbahce{/b> - B36 (6)
{b>Hearts{/b> - Siroki Brijeg
Metalurgs - {b>Dynamo Kyiv{/b>
Cork - {b>Crvena Zvezda{/b>
{b>Levski{/b> - Sioni
{/pre>

(1) - this is more a desire, but why not?
(2) - Hungarian football is going down
(3) - extremely balanced; it will be harder than last year with Shelbourne
(4) - Swedish football is also going down

(5) - the most balanced tie; very hard to predict; I'm relying on experience, though
(6) - like I said after the draw: lucky, lucky, lucky

Author: cska
Date: 21-07-2006, 10:32

Well, it seems many of you posted predictions in the way they desired the matches to finish and not in the way they assess what is most probable to happen.
Make the difference between predictions and wishes. If you have ever bet on football, then you have probably lost most money on matches in which you have been biased towards one of the teams.
Now, I will just give my predictions. As a Bulgarian, I don't have any bias except that Levski is desirable to progress (even though I am a fan of their rivals, CSKA).
So, here are the predictions:

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb - Dinamo go through
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva - Spartak go through
Debrecen - Rabotnicki - Debrecen go through (I wish that Rabotnicki can beat them (coming from a country which to us is the same as Moldova is to Romanians, i.e. closest brothers) , but Macedonian football is even worse than the deteriorating Hungarian one)
Gorica - Steaua (Steaua is likely to win, if they don't repeat the underestimation of Valerengen from last year)
Kobenhavn - MyPa - Coppenhagen will go through
Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga - Mlada Boleslav come from a better country (coef aspect), but Valerengen have more experience in CL. I will predict in favor of Valerengen.
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok - well balanced, Djugarden will go through, because the Slovaks are inexperienced in CL (Artmedia miracles were miracles, because miracles don't happen every day)
Hafnarfjordur - Legia - Legia will go through, even with this poor level of Polish club football
Zuerich - Salzburg - as someone said, money doesn't play on the pitch. And by the way, why do you think the Swiss don't invest ? Basel and Thun performed very well last year and Austrian football is very poor. Salzburg invest, but lack domestic challenge to improve them. My prediction is in favor of Zurich.
Fenerbahce - B36 - lucky draw for the Turks. Fenerbahce will go through.
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg - Hearts will go through. Emotional sympathies will not help the Bosnians, who are the weaker team here.
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv - Dynamo will go through
Cork - Crvena Zvezda - Red Star will go through
Levski - Sioni - I hope that Levski will go through. I only think that they must not underestimate the Georgians.

So, that's it. Now, we can go and see on TV whether we or someone else were right in predictions. I am sure that none of us will guess all the matches.

Author: Serge
Date: 21-07-2006, 10:50

CSKA, speaking about Gorica - Steaua, I think you wanted to say Steaua subestimated Rosenborg and not Valerenga (V-S 0-3, S-V 3-1)

What about what you said about predicting, my opinion that if it is more likely for someone to pass pver someone, it doesn't mean you may win by betting on them! When someone feels that there may be a surprise, than he will bet on that team, and even if he wants it to win!!! If you would feel that your "brothers" from Rabotnicki will pass through, than you may say, and that would be no problem !!!

I am sure that Rabotnicki wasn't likely to win 6-0 over Skonto, but they did and made a big surprise !!! Who knows what they will do this season !!! Nobody knows what's more likely to happen !!! It is a thing of a moment !!!

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Serge Date: 21-07-2006, 10:55	Can anyone who knows Gorica give me info about this team ??? I mean there playing style: long passing, short passing, wing playing, etc. What is the main quallity of Slovenians players, etc. Please, any info is valuable

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: bjkman1903 Date: 21-07-2006, 11:47	Gorica - Steaua Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb Sheriff - Spartak Moskva Debrecen - Rabotnicki København - MyPa Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga Djurgården - Ružomberok Hafnarfjördur - Legia Zürich - Salzburg Fenerbahçe - B36 Hearts - Široki Brijeg Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv Cork - Crvena Zvezda Levski - Sioni

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 11:49

I have another intersting statistic detail, the last time when Steaua lost in Q2 either CL or UC is NEVER. That's because i saw more than one users gone with the wind. Steaua's players and tehnical staff are proffessional enough to not subestimate anyone. With Rosenborg was bad luck and a lot of missed opportunities. Myself on the other way i take the liberty to subestimate Gorica :wink because i know this team from few encounters with romanian teams and doesn't look very impresive. More than that they lost their best striker to a french club which i've lost his name (happen often with french clubs). What more can i say, i'm not proffessional, if i belive something i will say it. I belive that this Steaua - Gorica is a game of (3-0, 3-0, final 6-0, 7-1).

Again, it is not wise to subestimate Sheriff, they got good players (Razvan Cocis

) and good investment. The results i think will be close, either team having chances to go further, but in no case Spartak will have an easy game how somwone may belive.

Author: executor
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:03

@STK

I wonder when are you going to stop with this nonsense. I really don't like people that keep saying: "Our opponents don't stand a chance. We'll trash'em, crush'em, beat'em good". Sounds very much like a nasty character we keep seeing a lot on TV. Here are some facts that you might want to consider: ND Gorica is stronger then Shelbourne (and Steaua could only get a draw in Dublin). Current Steaua is weaker than last year's. I'm not saying they won't eliminate Gorica, but I'm {b>SURE{/b> the Slovenians will make'em sweat for every ball. I suppose you had the same feeling when our NT played Slovenia, right? And probably the same thoughts had FC Kobenhavn after they won 2-1 in Gorica, before losing {b>5-0{/b> at home!

So, your opinion about Steaua beeing favourite is noted. Just stop talking about Infinite-to-zero scores!

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: max Date: 21-07-2006, 12:04	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb Sheriff - Spartak Moskva Debrecen - Rabotnicki Gorica - Steaua København - MyPa Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga Djurgården - Ružomberok Hafnarfjördur - Legia Zürich - Salzburg Fenerbahçe - B36 Hearts - Široki Brijeg Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv Cork - Crvena Zvezda Levski - Sioni

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:17

@executor, and why this your concern? I've showed a statistic detail to disclose some paranormal predictions.

Your intervention is not welcome, undesired and brings nothing new to my opinion. If you do not agree maby you should go on the UC predictions topic and show again your great joy for rRapid have beaten a team of amateur players (fishermen, bartenders, ...).

Didn't you notice that i never comment your posts? I'm not intersted what you say or thinkin'.

Author: executor
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:31

I stopped watching sport journals on commercial TV posts. I have to do a lot of "slaloming" when reading the sport newspapers. Why? Because of a toxic attitude of disrespect for the opponent and glorifying of oneself, presented by a single character. Now, I come here and instead of rational and respectful conversation I have to read the same toxic words that I've been trying hard to avoid!

In case you didn't noticed I never praised Rapid or say they'll destroy every poor and no-good team they encounter. And neither had any of the members of their management. Rapid played that team from Malta because Romanian teams (including Steaua) played extremely badly 3-4 years ago and that is a punishment we all have to endure with dignity.

Your spelling of Rapid's name only confirms my suspicions that you have respect for noone and, in turn, you must receive respect from nobody.

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:39

Dude, don't you understand that i don't care what you belive or not. I saw a lot of negative atitude from you here before the romanian UC derby to make may conclusion about you. So ... let me be. I have nothing with Rapid, and me giving a explanation or a prediction about a Steaua's game it is not your bussines. If you have different standards, prefferences, conclusions then you are free to express them, but leave me out of this, because i have no intention in staring a long/short conversation with you. I hope you will not force me to replay again!

Author: panda
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:43

@executor, STK

I have to say that one of the great things about this forum is the way almost everyone tries to compensate for their own viewpoint, i.e. tries to be more objective than their natural preferences.

But since the thread about 'bert's site praised' prompted me to post about the sports coverage of newspapers here, your (executor's) comment makes me ask- are sports journals / media NOT objective where you are, but instead support particular teams? So you can get this or that paper knowing it is pro Steaua or pro Rapid or pro Dinamo etc, the same way I can buy a paper knowing it is left or right wing politically?

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: executor Date: 21-07-2006, 12:45	Don't worry. I've learned my lesson. I won't read your posts anymore. There doesn't seem to be anything interesting in them. Just "Steaua is uber alles" and "seeding is wrong". And most of them are looooooooong...

Author: KoZ
Date: 21-07-2006, 12:51
Edited by: KoZ
at: 21-07-2006, 12:55

STK wrote -
"What about what you said about predicting, my opinion that if it is more likely for someone to pass pver someone, it doesn't mean you may win by betting on them! When someone feels that there may be a surprise, than he will bet on that team, and even if he wants it to win!!! If you would feel that your "brothers" from Rabotnicki will pass through, than you may say, and that would be no problem !!!

I am sure that Rabotnicki wasn't likely to win 6-0 over Skonto, but they did and made a big surprise !!! Who knows what they will do this season !!! Nobody knows what's more likely to happen !!! It is a thing of a moment !!!"

But if u say that Gorica, have some chances vs Steaua that is "paranormal predictions"
Am I the only one seeing contradictions here???

Author: executor
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:00
Edited by: executor
at: 21-07-2006, 13:02

@panda

No. That wasn't what I meant

. The newspapers aren't favouring a certain team, but I personally am tired of reading the "oppinions" of Steaua's owner every day. To a point I understand that they are somewhat forced to publish everyone's ideas, but the problem is his ideas are always the same. And after some time it gets annoying. I wish they would realise that and start ignoring him until he comes up with something less ego-centric. Unfortunately I don't think they will. That's what I meant by "slaloming".

@KoZ

The surprising results only happen to other teams

Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:01

@ Serge

I totally agree with you. This is not the prediction who will most likely win, but who we think will win and maybe create some surprises. Who would thought last year that Artmedia would kick out Celtic, Thun beat Dynamo Kyiv, or Anorthosis beat Trabzonspor? Do you guys think that Celtic, Kyiv and Trabzonspor weren't likely to be the winners? Surprises DO happen in football, so I don't see what is so unbelieveable in prediction that Gorica will beat Steaua, or Široki beat Hearts. I know that the chances for that are not so great, but this is football, anything can happen and that's why we love it.

Author: panda
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:05
Edited by: panda
at: 21-07-2006, 13:06

@executor

It's a related but not the same problem here too.

Everyone is interviewed all the time (though not all chairmen, some don't want publicity, but for sure all managers). We want to hear what people say, to feel they are human, esp players. But not often is anything interesting.

Chairman says: 'yes, we're trying to get more investment, yes, manager is doing great job with players...' manager says: 'Players are doing great job (or, if team is in trouble, as good a job as possible). That dodgy foul by my player? No, I didn't see it on the replay, so I don't know, honestly. Player says:' How did I feel when I scored that goal? Yeah, great!'

It's a delicate balance - to find the interesting stuff without getting the caricature opinions.

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:09

@KoZ, to say that Steaua will loose with a team, that i don't know if ever reach a Q3, and now at least I, heard for the firt time that they play in CL, being a UC team by essence it is a paranormal prediction regarding the data that i've provide, Steaua never lost in Q2 in a lot of games they've played; Steaua who obtained a decent performance last season is stronger and more homogenous this year; Gorica lost few key player. More than that i can't tell you, we just have to wait and see the result. But i hope you will agree, that if the final score will be as i've told you (6-0 for Steaua), to predict that Gorica will eliminate Steaua ... is indeed paranormal.

The seeding system is wrong ... the proof i that teams like Rapid, Dinamo play in the 1st q round with amateur team. I do not comment how we'll end up here, but the value difference is ovious and a seeding system who creates this situations is wrong. This kind of situations should not be create by a acurate seeding system in any case. Of course the ones who concive it do not care for this situation ... this are only the side/secundar effects who affect only teams that do not match the profile. And western users also have no reason to take a deep look to the situation, because the system was createt by their representants.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: exile Date: 21-07-2006, 13:12	Paranoia I think. Romanian teams would obviously, this year, benefit if seeding was based on last season only instead of 5 seasons. But that doesn't mean the system was designed 6 years ago to discriminate against Romania in 2006!

Author: badgerboy
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:13

My predictions:

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb - should be straightforward for Dinamo assuming the info. given by their fans on here is anything like accurate. On paper look far better than the terrible Hajduk team from last year.
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva - might be closer than people think as Russian teams seem surprisingly vulnerable at this stage.
Debrecen - Rabotnicki - not a very confident choice. Hungarian football seems in a poor state but Debrecen should still progress and become a very desirable opponent in QR3.
Gorica - Steaua - again might be closer than people (especially STK) thinks as Gorica have good results at this stage in the past - Steaua should be good enough though.
København - MyPa - I'll go for a surprise here as Danish football seems no great shakes and the Finns are mid-season.
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga - I hope I'm wrong with this one but Valerenga have the greater European experience and that might just tell.
Djurgården - Ružomberok - Another potential shock with Swedish teams struggling in recent years and the Slovakians seemingly in good form at the start of their season.
Hafnarfjördur - Legia - Legia may prove to be no great shakes (though I'd love to see them reach the Group Stage) but they wont have to be to win this.
Zürich - Salzburg - It's very early for Salzburg's money to have had an effect but I still suspect they might be just a bit better than the Swiss team (who are probably no Basle themselves).
Fenerbahçe - B36 - Possibly the strongest team in the draw (certainly in terms of CL experience) against the weakest. Shoul be the biggest winners on aggregate.
Hearts - Široki Brijeg - It should be Hearts but (to answer Exile's earlier post) it's far more reasonable to predict a Hearts defeat this year than it would've been to predict a Celtic one last.
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv- Dynamo fell at this hurdle last year so will surely be desperate and focused enough not to repeat.
Cork - Crvena Zvezda - Irish football seems to be on the up and Cork will punish any complacency but all things being equal Red Star should have enough.
Levski - Sioni - has to be the greater European experience of the Bulgarians - probably a comfortable progression.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: exile Date: 21-07-2006, 13:15	Put it this way - it's easy enough to say the system is wrong when it is your own teams that suffer - and then say nothing when you benefit (as Steaua will in QR3)

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:20
Edited by: STK
at: 21-07-2006, 13:23

Man, why don't you look to facts ... to the effects of this seeding system? It does not refflect reality. I'm not subjective. If it will be after me, i want like Dinamo and Rapid to exit from the first round.

It is not about x team playing in x q round. It is about the fact that in a round should meet teams very close like value. This should do a acurate system.

NO benefit for Steaua in CLQR3, because the seeded/unseeded is not acurate, teams are very close like value and more of them superior like value in comparation will CL teams with direct access.

Author: executor
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:21

{pre>
2004/2005 - CL QR1
Flora Tallinn (Est)- Nova Gorica (Slo) 2-4 1-3
2004/2005 - CL QR2
Nova Gorica (Slo) - FC København (Den) 1-2 5-0
2004/2005 - CL QR3
Nova Gorica (Slo) - AS Monaco (Fra) 0-3 0-6
2004/2005 - UC R1
Nova Gorica (Slo) - AEK Athens (Gre) 1-1 0-1
Performances:{b>UP{/b>

2005/2006 - CL QR1
Nova Gorica (Slo) - SK Tirana (Alb) 2-0 0-3
Performances:{b>DOWN{/b>

2006/2007 - CL QR1
Linfield (NIr) - Nova Gorica (Slo) 1-3 2-2
Nova Gorica (Slo) - Steaua (Rom) ?-? ?-?
Performances:{b>?{/b>
{/pre>

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: STK Date: 21-07-2006, 13:28 Edited by: STK at: 21-07-2006, 13:30	What on the earth do you wanna prove? Nova Gorica (Slo) - Steaua (Rom) 0-3, 1-4 fianl post on this subject

Author: KoZ
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:30

@STK
Me personaly have no doubts that Steaua will eliminate Gorica even maybe with 6-0, 7-1 agg. However this is my personal opinion, and executor dont share it, but i don't disrespect him cuz of that. It is still true too that there is slightly possibilty that Gorica may progress, becouse if u look closly 50%of the cases in last 6 years romanian teams go out after Q2 round, and most of the times they were seeded!!!
The reason that i posted in first place are that things like "Dude, don't you understand that i don't care what you belive or not. I saw a lot of negative atitude from you here before the romanian UC derby to make may conclusion about you. So ... let me be. I have nothing with Rapid, and me giving a explanation or a prediction about a Steaua's game it is not your bussines. If you have different standards, prefferences, conclusions then you are free to express them, but leave me out of this, because i have no intention in staring a long/short conversation with you. I hope you will not force me to replay again!" have no place in this forum!! I dont understand how someone might be so arogant and rude......If i were moderator here i would really ban you for posting such comments!!! Well good that i am not..

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: executor Date: 21-07-2006, 13:32 Edited by: executor at: 21-07-2006, 13:35	Nothing really. You said you never heard of Gorica (which proves you're not interested in other teams, only in your "precioussssss" Steaua). I just "enlightened" you. They are a team with UPs and DOWNs so trying to predict a result of them is nearly impossible. EDIT: And if you look at my first post on this thread you'll see I think Steaua will pass. But barely.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: exile Date: 21-07-2006, 13:36	So do we want to see the round entered (QR1, QR2 etc) to be based on team coefficient rather than country coefficient? If so then there are "Western" teams who would like to see that change too - eg Celtic in 2005-6, coefficient 63.476 but having to play in QR2 (and losing to Artmedia of course)

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:40

@KoZ, you are mistaken ...

Belive me, i didn't make any offesive remarks to be banned. All i said i mean it and it is my right to say it. I simply said that i do not want to enter in a probably long conversation with a subjective user, like mine too, a discusion with irrelevant facts and with no finality. I give may prediction about this game, and i think i posess more facts than many that predict this result. So that's all.

Author: zanzibar
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:40

Gorica - Steaua 2
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1
København - MyPa 2
Mlada Beloslav - Vålerenga 1
Djurgården - Ružomberok 1
Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2
Zurich - Salzburg 1
Fenerbahçe - B36 2
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2
LEVSKI - Sioni 1

if Fenerbahce pass through, it'll become big surprise, with its elemination statistics and loosing tradition...

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:46
Edited by: STK
at: 21-07-2006, 13:51

@exile, of course this will advantage a lot of western country/teams too. In fact i don't know what those people that made the seeding system have in their heads, then. Why to make a seeding system based on country coefficient and not fully on the team's coefficient?

Maby is there someone here to explain this notion of "seeding". And to say that the current hybrid system is not even a seeding system.

Author: Knallie
Date: 21-07-2006, 13:54

@STK

How is saying every time you mention Romania "(The next number 5 in country top)" or whatever NOT arrogant and NOT pointless?

Your arrogance is annoying at best. I have absolutely nothing against Romania or Romanian teams, but believe me, your behaviour on this forum only makes me wish that the Romanian teams go out soon. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

You say you don't want to have have pointless discussions with other subjective members of the forum. Why is it that you feel the need to express your feeling about the superiority of Steau in just about every thread REMOTELY related to Steau?

I wonder what you will say when Romania will NOT reach #5 on the country ranking this year. You seem so sure of Steau reaching atleast the 1/8 finals of the Champion league this year. If you're wrong about that, or wrong about Steau reaching #5 in country coefficient, what then? You have littered this forum with thos statements over and over again. If you're wrong, I think you will have to make up for your wrong statements.

Before you say everybody is allowed to have opinions: You're right about that. However, you present your opinions as facts. That's the difference.

So how about when Romania is not #5, or Steau will not make it to the 1/8 finals of Champions League. What will you do (besides being the laughing stock of this forum of course? :D)?

Author: STK
Date: 21-07-2006, 14:02
Edited by: STK
at: 21-07-2006, 14:11

the thing with Romania #5 it was just a little advertising, i didn't mean it and i think it is impossible to realise this giving the fact that the competiton have been replaced py private leagues.

So if you make a little calculation with Steaua in CL 1/8s (even higher :up

and Dinamo out before UC group stage, Rapid after (my prediction) and divide all by 3, it is impossible like Romania to reach #5, for your dissapointment ... unless if we have the luck to meet some french teams, easy prey.

So look we have someting in common, we both wish at leat 2 romanian teams out very soon.

Any other misunderstandings?

@Knallie, say thanks because i have the patience to read and answer to your comic book lines. And please write the correct name of the team, Steaua, no need to show your writing disabilities ... i belive you.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: KoZ Date: 21-07-2006, 14:11	@STK I was really expecting, to be well flamed by your answer . You didnt! See that's the spirit, evrything is cool and calm, as long we don't insult each other

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: STK Date: 21-07-2006, 14:17	No man, i do not answer to provocations. Don't worry about that.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: exile Date: 21-07-2006, 14:18	The changeover from using team to country coefficient to determine starting round took place in 1995 - there is a topic on this in which I said some rude things about Blackburn!

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Serge Date: 21-07-2006, 14:23	someone will get banned Everybody has his temper... Someone are realistic, someone are extremly optimistic, we cannot do something Let's get to the starting ideea Best regards to all, Serge

Author: Aliceag
Date: 21-07-2006, 18:17

Gorica - Steaua 2-0 0-1 Gorica goes trough
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 1-1 1-2 Dinamo goes trough
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 1-1 1*-1 Sheriff goes trough
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 2-1 0-1 Rabotnicki goes trough
København - MyPa 2-0 1-0 Kobenhavn goes trough
Mlada Beloslav - Vålerenga 0-1 0-0 Valerenga goes trough
Djurgården - Ružomberok 0-0 0-2 Ruzomberok goes trough
Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2-1 0-3 Legia goes trough with a scare
Zurich - Salzburg 2-2 1-1 Salzburg goes trough
Fenerbahçe - B36 2-0 1-2 Fenerbahçe goes trough
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 2-1 0-1 Siroki goes trough
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 0-4 0-2 Dynamo goes trough more easily than expected
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 0-2 1-5 Crvena Zvezda just takes a walk
Levski - Sioni 1-1 3-0 Levski takes a scare at home and then surprises

Author: panda
Date: 21-07-2006, 18:19

At the cost of igniting another 'seeding is fair' v 'seeding is unfair' discussion - is the following too simple?

If you do it just on team co-eff, then teams that get a more or less guaranteed Euro place from their domestic league /cup benefit. If you did it mostly on country, there would be a benefit to leagues where a lot of teams have equal strength. The way it's done now is a sort of compromise.

So yes, if you support Celtic, or Rangers, or (usually!) Rosenborg or Dinamo Kiev, you don't want the rest of your country's co-eff pulling you down. If you support Spurs, say, you think it's fair- not much euro record, but helped by your co-eff. if you support say Gretna (or if you had been a Millwall supporter in the relevant year) - come up from nowhere, you are gaining from your country co-eff.

But of course, in the example of a suddenly strengthened team- e.g. gretna or red Bull salzburg, but also, definitely Chelsea, it takes the co-eff some time to catch up.

Surely, whatever system you pick, some people will be winners and others losers.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Serge Date: 21-07-2006, 18:38	I am now watching Sheriff's rival Spartak playing. A good team, Quincy impressed me very much, he will give a hard life to Sheriff defenders!!!

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Tano Date: 21-07-2006, 20:30	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2 Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2 Debrecen - Rabotnicki 2 Gorica - Steaua 2 København - MyPa 1 Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga 1 Djurgården - Ružomberok 2 Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2 Zürich - Salzburg 1 Fenerbahçe - B36 1 Hearts - Široki Brijeg 1 Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2 Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2 Levski - Sioni 1

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Koulis Date: 23-07-2006, 00:22	ND Gorica Steaua Bucharest 2 Levski Sofia Sioni Bolnisi 1 FC Zürich Red Bull Salzburg 1 Djurgården Ružomberok 2 Debrecen FK Rabotnicki 1 Cork City FK Crvena Zvezda1 2 Fenerbahçe B36 Tórshavn 1 Mladá Boleslav Vålerenga 2 Sheriff Tiraspol Spartak Moscow 2 Liepājas Metalurgs Dynamo Kyiv 2 FH Hafnarfjörður Legia Warszawa 2 FC København MyPa 1 Ekranas Dinamo Zagreb 2 Hearts Široki Brijeg 1

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Pedro Date: 23-07-2006, 02:14	GORICA, please, do a favour to the world. Send Ceausescu's family team home.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: gabriel1 Date: 23-07-2006, 08:20 Edited by: gabriel1 at: 23-07-2006, 08:21	slovenian press: "We are going to met 'the giant' of Bucharest". "We will play with the famous Steaua" and so on... Gorica-Steaua..1-3 Steaua-Gorica..3-0

Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 23-07-2006, 11:06

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva
Debrecen - Rabotnicki
Gorica - Steaua
Kobenhavn - MyPa
Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok
Hafnarfjordur - Legia
Zurich - Salzburg
Fenerbahce - B36
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv
Cork - Crvena Zvezda
Levski - Sioni

Dinamo Kyiv, Fenerbahce and Levski should all enjoy impressive aggregate wins. I also think Rabotniki and Ruzomberok can send home their seeded opponents, both representing declining footballing nations.

Author: eoinh
Date: 23-07-2006, 13:53

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb (Dinamo Zagreb to go through)
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva (Spartak Moscow)
Debrecen - Rabotnicki (Rabotnicki)
Gorica - Steaua (Steaua)
København - MyPa (Kobenhaven)
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga (Mladá Boleslav)
Djurgården - Ružomberok (Very close but I give it to Ružomberok)
Hafnarfjördur - Legia (Legia)
Zürich - Salzburg (Zurich)
Fenerbahçe - B36 (Fenerbahce)
Hearts - Široki Brijeg (Siroki Brijeg)
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv (Dynamo Kyiv)
Cork - Crvena Zvezda (Crvena Zvezda) I would be somewhat confident except for the disasters that have befallen Cork in the last few days. Our best player (midfielder) had a row with the manager and has walked out, our main striker is out injured and two of our other best players picked up red cards against the cypriots and are out as well. Its been a disaster during the last week. Half of our outfield team will be absent nevermind the two players that Reading stole from us last season.
Levski - Sioni

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: jessica-alba_81 Date: 23-07-2006, 14:06	i think all results are declared just after the draw except the matches between Sazlburg-Zurih and Boleslav-Valerenga..I think the Norvegian and Suisse sides have more chance than their opponent do in these matches-ups...There are no needs to comment on others matches in this round...

Author: bluefan
Date: 23-07-2006, 15:23

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1(although )
Gorica - Steaua 2 (don't exactly know how is Gorica going to make some trouble for the romanians,but anyway hope they will! no offence though,i just hate Steaua not all romanian teams)
København - MyPa 1(easy,easy...)
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga 2(hmmm,hope for 1 but i doubt it)
Djurgården - Ružomberok 1
Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2(Legia are much better)
Zürich - Salzburg 1(very even affair)
Fenerbahçe - B36 1 (oh my God,B36...)
Hearts - Široki Brijeg 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2(good luck Blago!

)
Levski - Sioni 1(two easy victories for us,we're much better than the georgians no doubt)

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: luksus Date: 23-07-2006, 16:11	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2 Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2 Debrecen - Rabotnicki 2 Gorica - Steaua 2 København - MyPa 1 Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga 2 Djurgården - Ruzomberok 1 Hafnarfjördur - Legia 1 Zürich - Salzburg 1 Fenerbahçe - B36 1 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1 Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2 Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2 Levski - Sioni 1

Author: Michele
Date: 23-07-2006, 23:28

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb I don't see the Lithuanians getting close
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva But not without a fight. Spartak won't win both matches
Debrecen - Rabotnicki Even a declining hungarian side should be able to take out Rabotnicki
Gorica - Steaua Believe me, I know what Gorica can do (my favorite team is found in the next match up), but I still think Steaua has the quality needed
København - MyPa Someone predicted MyPa because they're in mid-season, but the Danish league has already played two rounds with FCK at 6 points. Jesper Grønkjær on the team and WC players on the bench should be enough to progress
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga Vålerenga lost this weekend and isn't very impressive at the moment. Boleslav was one of the two worst teams they could draw. But my prediction is also based on what I hope
Djurgården - Ružomberok Djurgården is equally unimpressive as Vålerenga, but i think their opponents is a level below Boleslav which should be just enough to put DIF through
Hafnarfjördur - Legia getting to QR2 is Hafnarfjördur's limit
Zürich - Salzburg I saw Zürich lose to Brøndby last year and they didn't impress me one bit. Salzburg have the names and probably also the quality
Fenerbahçe - B36 B36 eliminated a seeded team and will be very happy with that result. In this tie, they will be killed...
Hearts - Široki Brijeg Even with all the trouble in the club, Hearts should be good enough to go through
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv Dynamo is a shade of their 90's team, but still has plenty of quality to put out Metalurgs
Cork - Crvena Zvezda Irish club football is rapidly improving, but Crvena Zvezda is probably still a bit much
Levski - Sioni We saw Levski's level last year and that's more than enough in this tie

So i predict Vålerenga and Zürich to fail, but there will probably be a 3rd surprise as well. I just don't know where it will be.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Pedro Date: 24-07-2006, 00:19	Who cares about Ceausescu's family team?

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: ralfinho Date: 24-07-2006, 02:24	I see it almost the same way as Michele with two exceptions: Djurgården - Ružomberok: I would fancy the Slovakian side (remember Petrzalka, anyone?) against a Djurgården which is struggling in the league a bit. Zürich - Salzburg: League form doesn't tell too much after two matches. Salzburg has some expensive new players, but not yet formed a team. 50/50, I guess. I prefer Zürich.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: sb Date: 24-07-2006, 03:37	pedro, i see that u are very familiar with Steaua's history; anyway to answer your question.. i hav a feeling that more than a lot of people care about Steaua, well more than you imagine probably. i am curios to know why this aversion towards Steaua..

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Peter_nyc Date: 24-07-2006, 05:34	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2 Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2 Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1 Gorica - Steaua 1 København - MyPa 1 Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga 2 Djurgården - Ruzomberok 1 Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2 Zürich - Salzburg 1 Fenerbahçe - B36 1 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1 Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2 Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2 Levski - Sioni 1

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Speedy Date: 24-07-2006, 20:00	Gorita is very dangerous, a few years ago Otelul Galati was kicked out of Uefa Cup by this team,with two goals in the last 10 minutes; as someone said above it'a a balanced game with opportunities each way, especially after what happend to Villareal.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: Serge Date: 24-07-2006, 20:13	You are right, Maribor showed that Gorica is a tough opponent, hope that they won't make such a surprise like Maribor, all is in underestimating. Sometimes it is better to play against better teams...

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: uiu Date: 24-07-2006, 20:21	Question to Pedro:Are we talking here about predictions for 3rd round of CL or make politics?Eyes opened in topic!

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 24-07-2006, 20:25
Edited by: Giuseppe
at: 25-07-2006, 11:27

Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1
Gorica - Steaua 2
Kobenhavn - MyPa 1
Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga 2
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok 1
Hafnarfjordur - Legia 2
Zurich - Salzburg 1
Fenerbahce - B36 1
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2
Levski - Sioni 1

I think it would pretty naive to think that all this negative talk about Steaua has something to do with the club itself. It has more to do with certain users on this forum that unfortunately for me and the club are Steaua supporters.
Anyway there is a saying - 'If wishes were horses, beggers would ride'.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: impdcl Date: 24-07-2006, 20:32	and Otelul Galati isn't Steaua B. ..... Gorica - Steaua 0-0/0-2 then 0-0/0-1

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: hejazia Date: 25-07-2006, 11:14	Eventhuogh I am a FCZ fan i think alot of people are underestmiating Salzbourg. Dont forget this year they have a budget of 50m Euros compared to ours which is 6m Euros. I hope we can do the same stunt as Thun did last year.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: STK Date: 25-07-2006, 11:16	Filipescu is still playing for your team?

Author: AadteLaat
Date: 25-07-2006, 12:23

Today already the first match...so I have to be quick in giving my predictions;

FK Ekranas - {b>Dinamo Zagreb{/b>
FC Sheriff - {b>Spartak{/b>
Liepajas Met. - {b>Dinamo Kiev{/b>
{b>Levski Sofia{/b> - Sioni Bolnisi
{b>Djurgardens IF {/b>- Ruzomberok
{b>Fenerbahce{/b> - B36 Torshavn
NK Gorica - {b>Steau{/b>
{b>FC Zuerich{/b> - Salzburg
Hafnarfjordur - {b>Legia{/b>
Cork City - {b>Crvena Zvezda{/b>
Debreceni - {b>Rabotniki{/b>
{b>Kopenhagen{/b> - Myllykosken
{b>Hearts{/b> - Siroki
Mlada Boleslev - {b>Valerenga{/b>

Author: executor
Date: 25-07-2006, 12:41
Edited by: executor
at: 25-07-2006, 15:51

So, let's recap the votes:
{pre>
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 1 / 28
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 4 / 25
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 20 / 9
Gorica - Steaua 5 / 24
Kobenhavn - MyPa 26 / 3
Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga 10 / 19
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok 14 / 15
Hafnarfjordur - Legia 1 / 28
Zurich - Salzburg 21 / 8
Fenerbahce - B36 28 / 1
Hearts - Siroki Brijeg 24 / 5
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 0 / 29
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2 / 26
Levski - Sioni 28 / 0
{/pre>

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: panda Date: 25-07-2006, 12:48	OK- most predictions strongly favour seeded team. Because of the accident that lowest 3 seeds play top 3 un-seeds, those 3 ties have some doubt esp Djurgardens, which is predicted evenly. Otherwise, people are a bit pessimistic about Debrecen.

Author: cska
Date: 25-07-2006, 12:50

I wish I had a betting company

Then I could have adjusted the oddsaccording to the distribution of your votes with a decent margin for my company

Well, it seems that our votings reflect vary well the expectations of the public in general.
The toughest game to predict clearly seems to be Djugardens-Ruzomberok. The easiest victories seem to be of Dynamo Kiev and Levski Sofia.
Let's watch TV tonight and tomorrow and we'll see how big experts in predictions we are

Hey, good luck to everyone ! Let your dreams on football come true !

Author: AS
Date: 25-07-2006, 13:32

This is my predictions:

Ekranas - {B>DINAMO ZAGREB{/B>
Sheriff - {B>SPARTAK MOSKVA{/B>
{B>DEBRECEN{/B> - Rabotnicki
Gorica - {B>STEAUA BUCURESTI{/B>
{B>KOBENHAVN{/B> - MyPa
{B>MLADA BOLESLAV{/B> - Valerenga
Djurgarden - {B>RUZOMBEROK{/B>
Hafnarfjordur - {B>LEGIA WARSAW{/B>
{B>ZURICH{/B> - Salzburg
{B>FENERBAHCE{/B> - B36 Torshavn
Hearts - {B>SIROKI BRIJEG{/B>
Metalurgs - {B>DYNAMO KYIV{/B>
Cork - {B>CRVENA ZVEZDA{/B>
{B>LEVSKI{/B> - Sioni

Surprise for SIROKI BRIJEG!

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: panda Date: 25-07-2006, 13:35	OK, so Djurgardens-Ruzomeberok is now exactly level. Nothing else has changed. Despite people saying before that Salzburg was the team to avoid, a clear majority for Zurich still....

Author: medric
Date: 25-07-2006, 13:48

My predictions:

Gorica - STEAUA 2
Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb 2
Sheriff - Spartak Moskva 2
Debrecen - Rabotnicki 1
København - MyPa 1
Mladá Boleslav - Vålerenga 2
Djurgården - Ružomberok 2
Hafnarfjördur - Legia 2
Zürich - Salzburg 1
Fenerbahçe - B36 1
Hearts - Široki Brijeg 1
Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv 2
Cork - Crvena Zvezda 2
Levski - Sioni 1

I expect difficult matches for Zagreb, Debrecen, Valerenga, Ruzomberok and Zurich.
The other teams will not have much difficulties to reach the 3rd round.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: executor Date: 25-07-2006, 15:52	I've updated my previous post with the predictions of the last 2 posters.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Richie Date: 25-07-2006, 17:23	1-1 already in the Dinamo Zagreb tie

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Richie Date: 25-07-2006, 17:29	The following to go through: Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb Sheriff - Spartak Moskva Debrecen - Rabotnicki Gorica - Steaua Kobenhavn - MyPa Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga Djurgarden - Ruzomberok Hafnarfjordur - Legia Zurich - Salzburg Fenerbahce - B36 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv Cork - Crvena Zvezda Levski - Sioni

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: Richie Date: 25-07-2006, 19:08	Ekranas 1 - 4 Dinamo Zagreb Thats Dinamo through then

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC League
Author: budaig Date: 25-07-2006, 19:42	Ekranas - Dinamo Zagreb = 2 Sheriff - Spartak Moskva = 1 Debrecen - Rabotnicki = 1 Gorica - Steaua = 1 Kobenhavn - MyPa = 2 Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga = 2 Djurgarden - Ruzomberok = 1 Hafnarfjordur - Legia = 2 Zurich - Salzburg = 1 Fenerbahce - B36 = 1 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg = 1 Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv = 2 Cork - Crvena Zvezda = 2 Levski - Sioni = 1

Author: hejazia
Date: 25-07-2006, 20:43

No Philipescu left because we couldnt agree financial terms with him. He has been replaced by former Anderlecht defender Tihinen who so far as done a good job. Then again he has only played 2 official games. We where sad to see our romanian friend leave, as he really stabilized our defence and not to mention scored his only goal for FCZ at the 93rd mins to give us our first title in over 24 years.

However I am confident in that money doesnt always buy success and in switzerland Thun last year showed us the way ahead. So we can only hope. Besides I would love to see trappatoni and mathaeus choke.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 26-07-2006, 12:09

Just wanted to reply quickly to Michele's point about FCK/MyPa. I did notice whilst making my predictions (or possibly shortly after) that the Danish season was in full swing. I was tempted to alter my prediction but decided there has to be a shock somewhere along the line (historically at least one QR1 starter reaches QR3), FCK have flopped at this stage in the past and Finland seem among the more likely low-ranked countries (especially given the difficulty of the draws encountered by some others) to provide the surprise.

I believe you're an FCK fan though so I'll be quite happy if my prediction is wrong

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: radu Date: 26-07-2006, 12:21	I think Steaua wil not have problems with Gorica , like 2002/2003 season of uefa cup when Rapid meet Gorica (2-0 H , 3-1 A)

Author: Severin
Date: 26-07-2006, 12:35

I am a Djurgården supporter and we must win tonight at Råsunda or else we are out. Ruzomberok have 18 victories in row at home. The team Ruzomberok does not have much international experience but they are a attacking team with some capped players. 19 year old promising striker Erik Jendrišek must be stopped.
In the Allsvenskan, Djurgården is currently in 4th place but we have not played well at all except some short moments. Hopefully, our new midfielders Andrej Komac, slovenian national team player, and brazilian Enrico Cardoso Nazaré will change on that.

Re: Predictions for reaching 3rd round of UC Leagu
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 26-07-2006, 12:52	My prediction for tonight's games (1,x,2) Sheriff - Spartak Moskva = x Debrecen - Rabotnicki = 1 Gorica - Steaua = 2 Kobenhavn - MyPa = x Mlada Boleslav - Valerenga = 1 Djurgarden - Ruzomberok = 1 Hafnarfjordur - Legia = 2 Zurich - Salzburg = x Fenerbahce - B36 = 1 Hearts - Siroki Brijeg = 1 Metalurgs - Dynamo Kyiv = 2 Cork - Crvena Zvezda = x Levski - Sioni = 1