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Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 15-07-2006, 18:00	after q1 and q2 of UC and q2 of CL Romania will have over 31 points so neherland is outscored.Portugal is too week with only 3 mediocre teams and 3 very week teams ,the battle will be with Germany. Good luck Romania.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Giuseppe Date: 15-07-2006, 18:09	There we go again... this forum has been so peaceful recently... I guess it had to end sometime...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: executor Date: 15-07-2006, 19:04	How many years we need to be on 3rd?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: bjkman1903 Date: 15-07-2006, 23:06	When Romania will have 6 teams, it will be a little bit more difficult, but good luck anyway..

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Pedro Date: 16-07-2006, 01:29 Edited by: Pedro at: 16-07-2006, 01:49	Romania will be 1st after this year!!!!! Change your medicine doctor, it's having secondary effects.

Author: vlad-tzepesh
Date: 16-07-2006, 01:51

To my mind, 5th place is unreacheble for Romania this season unless both Portugal and Germany have a disatrous season, which is highly unlikely. Nevertheless, another good run from the 3 Bucuresti giants will most probably see Romania finish the year on 7th place ahead of the Netherlands (especially if Twente reaches the UEFA Cup, thus dividing the country's total by 7). Moreover, 6th place is by no means out of the question, at the expense of Portugal, should their CL teams perform poorly.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Alexfriend Date: 16-07-2006, 04:32	I think Romania will be back to normal this season. All the "dangerous" romanian times will be eliminated in the qualifying rounds.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Giuseppe Date: 16-07-2006, 10:32	Maybe the '80 and the early '90 are only blanks in your memory or maybe you weren't even born... Romanian football is returning to normal.

Author: Knallie
Date: 16-07-2006, 13:26

5th? Give me a break!

I bet that whenever one of the Romanian teams go out in stages before the semifinal, it must be a big conspiracy by UEFA against the Eastern teams!!

Could we please skip those debates when the teams go out of the competition.

I tell ya, I have nothing against Romanian teams, but I almost HOPW they fly out in the 1st round, just to silence every Romanian here who thinks they are going to be in top 6... It's ridiculous.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 16-07-2006, 13:32	Romania has for the first time in last 15 years 3 teams all seeded , i enjoyed that farul constanta lost with auxere ,and now same 3 teams like last years are in competision. In 7th place we will be after q rounds that`s not a target for us. And Portugal has 3 desastruos teams in UC. And with a coeficient divided by 6 they are gone.So the batle will be for 5th place.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 16-07-2006, 14:15

Knallie, it's not impossible. It perfectly shows that the current ranking system allows countries to gain an enormous amount of ranking places in just a few years. Despite the fact that some people tend to think that the system is made to protect current rankings.

However, what is really "impossible" is that Romania keeps that position for a considerable amount of time. Firstly that ranking will mean 6 Romanian teams at least, which will make it very hard to maintain the high position. But moreover, being part of the European community means you have to abide the economic laws. And since football is governed largely by money, the big economic powers will prevail in the end.

But nevertheless I hope for some miracles, and wish all the best to Romanian football. And Guiseppe is certainly right stating that Romania is returning to it's "normal" sub-top position.

Author: Serge
Date: 16-07-2006, 14:47

docror,

how old are you, man? I am a great Romanian football fan, but in my opinion it is too soon to post such threads, be more calm and diplomatic, because the nonromanians don't care about the future of Romanian football, because ignorance is a human quallity!!! If you wanted opinions, this post doesn't have place here now... If they would be really near the 5th position, than we will talk !!! Don't forget, we are talking about Netherlands, Portugal and Germany !!! I bet they laugh ...

P.S. I have emotions for Steaua, cause Gorica is tough opponent. I hope they won't underestimate the Slovenians !!!

Can anyone give me some info or contact with Gorica?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 16-07-2006, 15:10	there are too many diplomatic romanians,i`m one of a kind i want to say what i think it`s posible ,and be a litle subjective ,but realistic.

Author: Knallie
Date: 16-07-2006, 15:31

I know it's POSSIBLE.

I just think it is a little (read: WAAAAY) too soon to say that Romania will get to 5th place. Sure enough, with 3 seeded teams, and Farul as good as out of the running, they have good papers to reach another high coefficient. However, I don't think they will go as high as 16 again. Given that Germany will get probably around 10 this year, Romania would need about 16 points to get to 5th place.

Sorry, but I don't see it happening. Romania had a great season last year, but IMHO it would be almost impossible to reach the same coefficient again this year. I could be wrong of course.

This probably wouldn't bother me as much if we didn't have a million 'Romania is the best' or 'UEFA is conspiring against Eastern European teams' threads on this board.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 16-07-2006, 15:40	Teams from Romania have no adversaries in q1 u seened that in the results.That means that they are in top 15 ,if they don`t have adversaries in q2 they are in top 10 and if they have no problem in q3 and round 1 they are in top 6.

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 16-07-2006, 18:07

/This probably wouldn't bother me as much if we didn't have a million 'Romania is the best' or 'UEFA is conspiring against Eastern European teams' threads on this board./
Knallie, there haven't been threads like that lately. This is the first thread of this kind in a few weeks. And of course you always have the choice of ignoring such threads.
I, as a Romanian, want to see our football do well, but that doesn't mean I share his opinion. I, for one, would like Romania to be able to maintain a 9-15 postion which would give us 4 teams (enough for me) and 2 teams in the UCL. Not to mention that with the current Intertoto system there is always the chance to get a 5th team.
I know that if we get too high in the rankings the big powers will start scavenging our league for players. That's why I'm happy that Steaua was able to keep its team together.
Actually if one would make a 'money used/performance' rating I'm sure we would get top marks. Show me a team from the West that can reach the QF with a 5 million budget

Author: STK
Date: 16-07-2006, 18:26
Edited by: STK
at: 16-07-2006, 18:51

@Knallie,

Dude, i think you got it all wrong. No one thinks that is a conspiracy again Eastern European countries. Actually is quite the opposite.

Why no eastern european country ever won a race for organising a World Cup or a Euro Cup? Because FIFA wants to protect these countries' position in the ranks, and not playing qualification campagne could produce considerable damage.

Why seeding system, why qualification rounds and dirrect access? Because UEFA want to protect eastern european teams from the western teams that surely would have been eliminated in q rounds. So thanks to this seeding system, the eastern european countries could play more matches on a season, and even reach the competition (which is magnificent).

Why some western countries have 6-7-8 teams and some eastern 1-2-3? It is ovious, because UEFA's intention is to help the eastern countries to gather a good coefficient with low number of teams, and the western countries to be stopped to raise in tops with their lots of teams (if you look on statistics, Spain, Italy and England are on the same positions after a long long time; in exchange countries like Romania(the next number 5 in country coefficient top) and Bulgaria, earlier Turkey and Greece had very high fluctuations ... this is clear UEFA's hand).

Why there wasn't ever a scandal with a refferee helping a eastern team against a western team? Because UEFA send his finest refferees for this situations, refferees that know to help without producing a huge scandal.

We, eastern people have not reasons to belive in conspiracies, i think that you should be more concerned, because UEFA is playing on your back for a long time. Look what sanctions the italian teams anf FA have recived, after a very elaborate UEFA's scenario planed along with all eastern countries. Your country could be next if you don't watch your back.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 16-07-2006, 19:07

If Steaua get into CL then no way else I think the Romanians can get if they perform maybe 7th. Higher I think it's too difficult.

But if you look at Farul Constata who got trashed yesterday by Auxerre that doesn't promise a lot good for the following years.

I have also looked to the team coefficients of all the romanian teams and all other teams who didn't play this year will be not seeded in the future and get bigger teams on paper.

For Romanian football this is the year to make a leap and starting next year it is like in the song "What goes up must come down"

For Romanian football and also for other small countries like Belgium, Switserland, Turkey, Greece. I think place 9 is the objective higher is in long term a bad thing.

All of those countries have some good teams but after the big teams they have not good enough teams to perform in Europe so when they get extra spots (6teams) they will be punished.

Author: STK
Date: 16-07-2006, 19:16

I think you are mistaken, Romania(the next number 5 in country coefficient top) has good chances to make a better coeff than last year. Farul is almost out from Intertoto, because they finnaly understood that their absence will help more Romanian's coeff than their presence.

The 5th posittion is just a step for romanian coefficient. The final purpose is of course the first position, who are real good chances of being retaken (it is rightfully ours) in next 5 years.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Giuseppe Date: 16-07-2006, 19:18	@Maluyaca - Generally I agree with you, but there's one thing to add: Farul Constanta finished 7th last year, so there were 3 other teams (except Steaua, Rapid, Dinamo) that were better than them last year and could have represented us in Intertoto. However the Romanian championship was over after the list of teams had to submited to UEFA.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 16-07-2006, 19:21
Edited by: Maluyaca
at: 16-07-2006, 19:25

@STK

Maybe I'm wrong maybe not. We will see. I think I gave you some arguments that can count. Maybe that Portugal is an option to overcome but Germany will be very very difficult surely if Steaua get into CL then I think even Portugal is out of reach.

I'm gonna give you a tip and other Romanians, I think it counts for a lot of the member of this forum.

It's nice to see your country get good results everybody wants that for his country. You can even mention that your country is doing great but to brag like last year it becomes arrogant.

Good luck to the Romanian teams but also to the other teams and countries.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: STK Date: 16-07-2006, 19:27	@doctor, i congratulate you for a good job. You must be one of the most optimistic romanian. Don't listen this so called romanian "diplomats" and do your thing. We need more people with this kind of spirit.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: STK Date: 16-07-2006, 19:35	@Maluyaca, i'm only kiddin' dude, i have no real interest what the romanian coeff will be. And i'm certain that doctor too. Is just nice to see some users like pedro and knallie putting so much though and heart into this. The only thing that i'm not kiddin' is when i'm saying that Steaua will reach at least CL 1/8s this season and the time will show i'm right.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Maluyaca Date: 16-07-2006, 19:35	@STK In your previous posting you mentioned "romanian diplomats" what do you mean with that and can you give an example of one.

Author: STK
Date: 16-07-2006, 19:55

there are too many diplomatic romanians,i`m one of a kind i want to say what i think it`s posible ,and be a litle subjective ,but realistic. doctor

I didn't mean absolutely nothing, only quoting one of doctor's comment. Althrough some users have the tendency to generalise, doctor i think is the only one who think thar Romania can gain a better position than 8 with the coefficient gather this year ... but try to explain that to users like pedro and knallie, which only comment that i've seen from these guys are on doctor's threads.

Author: Serge
Date: 16-07-2006, 20:47

The thing with diplomat came from me I suppose... The problem is that I don't like much talking about sth. at the beginning !!! If the 3 clubs would fail to do a good job( I hope not

), than this forum would become a great dissapointmanet!!! I would agree with such forums in case of Romania would be really close Germany! But in rest, I may say I respect doctor for optimism, but be careful, doctor, I hope you won't get dissapointed ...

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 16-07-2006, 21:12

Romania on 5th after this season....i think doctor considers us too lucky.....Germany is still Germany...very possible 7th i think ..... maybe 6th now that Farul almost said goodbye to uefa cup....but 5th not yet...i think we have to be patience and be very happy with a 6th place performance at the end of this season...we should not forget also where we left from 3 years ago and i personally find it reasonable that for reaching top 5 a country must prove efficiency with having more than 3 teams involved in UC and UCL.

I personally don't see this years possible new big coefficient(that means >=10000) as a chance of reaching top 5. I just see a big coefficient this year gives us more time in the future to accomodate with the new situation of having many teams involved(4 next year and then 6 or 7).

More time we have to accomodate(until 2009-2010) more chances we have to stay there in top 10 and then maybe reach 5th or 4th,which i find maximum for the next 5-10 years or until any change of the actual rules.

Author: doctor
Date: 17-07-2006, 20:50

10x STK i think you are the most realistic person on this forum, and your points of view surprise me every time,and you should know that i total agree with u.The eastern countrys are persecuted.
You people saw that in press last month Mogi had a influence even in CL ,you think that other big clubs have nothing?!?! His influnce was everywhere!! You think that if Romania or other countrys have no representant in UEFA or FIFA that`s fair play.
Be serios the big decisions are taken at a table where there are no representants from estern countrys. You saw what happened when Turkey had a confruntation with Swiss.I asure you that if the situation would be oposite the punishments wouldn`t be same.

I talk about 5th place because we will be in worst case on 7th and because Portugal has only 3 competitive teams out of 6.If the 3 teams from Romania q from group stage(they have a good chanse, all seeded ,Steaua in pot C) Portugal will be on 7th and Romania on 6th. This is a very realistic objective.But i am a fighter and i can`t ever admit that this is a objective for me because i want maximum in everything(i`m realistic,i`m not a lunatic).And this year a coeficient of 16 will asure us 5th place.And a good chanse for next year to go even high.Final target is 1st place. No top 3 objective. 1st place that`s final objective.

Author: uiu
Date: 17-07-2006, 21:36

Even I am a Romanian,Let's face it:we belong to 9-15 top teams.We don't have YET the economic power of Portugal,Netherlands or Greece to invest in football.It is enough we are beating countries like Russia,Ukraine or Turkey.
Other ideea:What if Steaua would have the budget of top teams in Turkey(60-80 mil Euros) , Ukraine (30-50) or Russia (40-80) I think we can achieve more than them.

Giuseppe,let me know your real name and adress....I will send you a package with TNT (just kidding)

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Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Knallie Date: 18-07-2006, 12:45	"(i`m realistic,i`m not a lunatic)" "1st place that`s final objective"

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 21-07-2006, 23:42	@knalie are u portugesse? Steaua-Gorika 3-0 Gorika-Steaua 0-1

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 22-07-2006, 11:58	even I think it's posible 5th place for next year, I ratter prefer a 6-8th positions in uefa country ranking...that's means 6+1 teams in Europe...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: exile Date: 22-07-2006, 21:21	Anyone heard of the word hubris? A useful greek word, normally followed by nemesis.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: drvasko98 Date: 23-07-2006, 10:25	7 th place stay absolutely realistic for Romania. Dont forget the upper ranking nations have teams aimed to reach european finals

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 23-07-2006, 10:38	we need 6th place for 3 teams in CL ,7th position isn`t a objective it`s a big dissapointment. Steaua and Rapid could win a european cup.

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 23-07-2006, 10:56
Edited by: BalkanTourist
at: 23-07-2006, 11:11

HOW OLD ARE YOU?? I got a lot of patience, but for God's sake can you stop bragging?? I mean, I always liked Romanian clubs and I always wanted them to do well, but from now on I am going to rejoyce every time they get beat up. I promise you that!
And to STK, you are so arrogant, only your Romanian bretheren can take you seriously, I don't even read your long "Europe doesn't like us" novels. Get down to Earth! And please shut up!
A lot of people on this forum are getting fed up with you guys. And in stead of making friends, like we are supposed to do on here, you will only earn enemies. And wait till your teams start losing, because what comes up, must go down, then you will be the fools of Europe for having such big mouths!

P.S. I am not hating your success, but your bragging. One topic concerning Romanian success last year should be enough. Not every other topic - Romania this, Romania that. Who the fuck cares about the Romanian Supercup??? Don't you have Romanian forums for such topics?
This is such a great and helpful website, and the forum was a lot better, before all these neo-nationalistic Romanians took over and hijacked the forum!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 23-07-2006, 10:57	Romanians better not hope to get higher than 9th, cause you'll quickly fall apart afterwards. 6 teams is just too much for the quality of the romanian league. and you even don't have any recent experience with four ... for me it is doubtful that you'd manage to stick close to that border (8th-9th place) even with 4 teams, not to mention 6.

Author: drvasko98
Date: 23-07-2006, 11:08

Doctor each team theoreticaly can be win the cup. I think last season Steaua lose missed their great chance. In the new history in european cups its imposissible for teams like Steaua or Zvezda to win CL. Its need 12 - 16 strong mathes. In the past with weak opponent in round of 32 and 16, teams were qualified for quarters. Then they played 2 - 3 mathes on their live and here is semis or finals. Team from our region no potential to reach far than 1/8 in CL

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Pedro Date: 24-07-2006, 00:26	Who cares about romanian football and Ceausescu's family team?

Author: gabriel1
Date: 24-07-2006, 00:56

at the end of this weeck,we go up to 8th place...and Russia will go down to 9 place...

a realistic target for Romania this year is 6th place...

5 Germany 9.142 4.714 10.571 10.437 0.857 35.721 7/ 7
6 Portugal 10.750 10.250 8.166 5.500 1.000 35.666 6/ 6
7 Netherlands 6.166 5.416 12.000 7.583 0.428 31.593 7/ 7
8 Russia 3.625 5.875 10.000 10.000 0.000 29.500 4/ 4
9 Romania 2.166 4.333 5.500 16.833 0.666 29.498 3/ 3
10 Belgium 6.875 5.875 6.125 5.500 0.800 25.175 5/ 5

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Peter_nyc Date: 24-07-2006, 05:42	Realistic target for romania is 8-12, and we should stay there.

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 24-07-2006, 08:15
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 24-07-2006, 08:56

OMG Steaua and rapid can win the CL

...romania's aim is 1st place, 7th will be a dissapointment

What the hell!!! Please SHUT UP right now cause u are embarassing urselves so much! which planet are u coming from u people??? Come back to Earth for christ sake! U need to see a doctor or something! Right now u r with 3 teams and thats the only reason why u went so high, wait until next year...when u make fools of urselves with all the childish comments u made! U have so much illusions right now....that u are gonna regret after! Better stop the cr*p now...than embarassing urselves more!

Author: Gerula
Date: 25-07-2006, 12:25

Parole, parole, parole�

To my Romanian countrymen, I say, please don�t make this forum a battlefield! The sport was meant to put a stop to wars not to start them.

To those who think that nothing will change, I say, only the change is permanent! However, the change might take one

To all, I say, good luck and do your best and keep up the fair play spirit! We should not forget the real "real target", which is to know and understand the "other tribes" a little bit better and do this in a safe and nice environment, in and out of the stadium.

Science and art, the football is magic! I love this game!!!

Author: cska
Date: 25-07-2006, 12:42

@Pedro and LevskiFan
Let's not make football a means for provocations.
@Our Romanian friends here
Let's not make football a means to show off our superiority complexes.
@All football fans here
Let football be the reason to bring us together, not to make us quarrel.

And now, my prediction is that this year Romania has good chances to be on 7th place, if no major upsets happen to any of her 3 teams before UC R1 or CL QR3.
To predict the 5th place, you will have to assume that Germany and Portugal clubs will be sleeping giants, which I don't suppose that will happen.
By the way, sorry to our Dutch friends, but it seems that Romania will have already surpassed Russia and Netherlands before their teams enter the competitions. I expect 2 new easy victories in UC for Romania and at least one home win of Steaua. This will add at least 1 point to Romania coefficient (1,333 in optimal case). Then comes UC QR3 in which Romania can get again 1,333 while Netherlands teams will be still watching TV.
Well, I think that these easy points in QR's compensate well for the risk of being eliminated by a Maltese team.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 25-07-2006, 14:59

I think 7th is a very realistic prediction fo Romania after this year. Romania still has only 3 teasm, while Netherlands has 7. Twente will not make it easier for the Netherlands. PSV will fall a bit back now Hiddink is gone, but I expect more from Ajax this year, and if Feyenoord does not run into Rapid again they can gain some more points in the UC-GS. AZ is losing valuable players lately, I hope they can hold on.
Russia showed last year that despite the failing of the UC-Cupholder they still got 10 points. They will be also a strong contender for this 7th spot.
Portugal is too far ahead, I think, with good teams to lose their 6th spot.
I don't think Germany is in the picture of losing their 5th.

Problem is that there are some dangerous non seeded teams in the UC-first round (Tottenham, Hearts, Nancy, etc.) that might kick out a team like Feyenoord, AZ but also Rapid B. or Dinamo B.

Author: Knallie
Date: 25-07-2006, 18:37

My personal opinion is that Romania will be on 6th or 7th place next year.

Being dutch myself, I have accepted that Romania will pass us and take our 7th place, especially now that FC Twente has qualified for the UEFA Cup. I don't think there's any way that we get more points with our 7 teams in Europe than Romania get with their 3, unless one of them goes out in UC QR2 or CL QR2. I have no problems with that as long as we stay ahead of Russia, which will be a tough task in itself. I'd be very disappointed if we drop to 9th place and only have 4 teams in Europe in 2008.

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 25-07-2006, 18:57

the point saying that Romania has good chances to improve its ranking again because they have more chances to gain points with 3 good teams rather than other countries who have 6-7 teams out of which some might be average is perfectly valid.

It however works in both sides. A coefficient based on 3 teams only is very volatile. If one or worse two Romanian clubs disappeared quickly, then their coefficient would be highly affected.

Hard to say now. It depends very much on the draw and intrinseque performance of clubs from Romania but also from Russia or Holland. Based on what they've shown last year, they indeed have indeed very good chances to increase again the position of Romania in the UEFA rankings, but football certainly is not an exact science (and it is generally accepted that it is difficult to confirm a good performance).
Time will tell but everything could be pretty clear after 1 or 2 rounds depending on the results of these countries.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Lunaris Date: 26-07-2006, 00:32	well i like football from holland, nice to watch but if they fall down to 9th, there's a good thing too i'd love to see how they'd get a headache, by changing their p�layoff-system

Author: Pedro
Date: 26-07-2006, 01:15
Edited by: Pedro
at: 26-07-2006, 01:32

I have nothing against Romania or romanians, only two persons here ( doctor and STK) upset me a little bit because of their arrogance and provocation.
For me to discuss Romania being 6th, 5th or 1st after this year is like to discuss the sex of the angels. You have to understand that romanian clubs don't have the financial capacities that clubs in countries like Portugal, Netherlands, Russia or even Scotland have. So, when romania get 4 or 6 clubs, they will go down again. It happened before to Greece and Turkey and other countries and it will happen again. But ok, if you want to dream with all this lunatic threads, be my guess.
There is another thing, Portugal and Netherlands have good football schools. Every year clubs have new rising stars, who make portuguese and dutch football strong. Where are the new romanian rising stars? Where are the new Boloni, Hagi, Lacatus and so on? Where is the Romania national team? Where are the U-21, U-19, U-17 Romania national teams?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 26-07-2006, 02:25	2 Pedro: it's ok for me... I think Romania will finish somewhere between 6-8 places this year...

Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever
Date: 26-07-2006, 09:25

yes but a 5th positoin with 2 teams in the UCL would only bring benefit for us no matter well fall down, (fall down where , 8 - 14 is a very good position), but as u said , turkey and greece were there and they impoved at least financial, i still think that the liga 1 - romania with 12 teams instead of 18 having not 1 but 2-3 derby's each week and a number of 4-6 teams in europe would be a challenge and the money would start coming

p.s.
how can a championship improove its value if not by sending a number of teams in europe and dreaming and finnaly succeeding to go as high as one can get ??? can any1 here say that the romania strenth hasn't raised from 4-5 years ago from all the poins of view including the playing level and the finnancial part ? going up to what ever place 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 is BENEFIC for us , "falling down" is also benefic because we will want to go up again . AS LONG AS WE SAY THAT THE "x" PLACE IS GOOD FOR US AND WE SHOULDNT BOTHER TRYING TO REACH HIGHER AND PROGRESS BUT STAY AT THE SAME LEVEL NOT BELIEVING IN OUR STRENTH , WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED

Author: STK
Date: 26-07-2006, 10:48

I want to remaind that the objective of this thread is to establish a realistic target for Romania's rank/coefficient for season 2006/2007, although the title is not a very happy choice, because underestimate the fotbalistic force of some countries like Germany and Portugal, for which the high number of teams is not necesarely a bad point, because the number of competitive teams is higher in these countries.
So in my opinion there are:

6th position for Romania, an optimistic target
7th position a realistic target
8th position a pesimistic target

So again, it is not wise to debate here, what will be the effect of 4/6 teams for Romania, situation that will happening in next 2-3 seasons. To give such a long range prediction, someone must have more info about romanian teams or fotball, or how the past evens have shown us, this informations are not widely known or at least exist any interest for them, although some people want to belive their are experts.

I don't like this mentality who says in not a good thing to go on top because you would fall (although would be better used: "could fall"), is better to stay down to not have where to fall. No is not better. A recent example in UIC show us that, a good romanian teams, Farul lost the UC qualification because of the lack of european experience ... they recived 2 goals in first 10 minutes and 2 in the last minutes against Auxerre and in Constanta couldn't comeback from a 4-1 handicape, with all the high number of goal opportunities, winning just by 1-0. This is something that only the european game experience could teach you to deal to. To the next (recent) european apparence it would be harder to eliminate them, if they learned from their mistakes. Another teams, like Poli Timisoara, FC National or even CFR Cluj are practicaly in the same situation, with good players and no european experience. I do not expect like them to have an unstanding evolution to their first appearence, but is a begining.

Romania has still great footballistic talents; you do not need a ultra-expensiv football youth school to discover that. There is something else that is needed, like a young romanian talent to play for his country club teams until a age in which he became mature footballistic speaking, say 22,23,24 years. For many talents an foreigner experience to a young age could proove destructive and the adaptation hard to achive. The financiar possibilities of romanian teams and a specific players's agent (which i'm too disgusted to say his name again) stopped great romanian talents to play in Romania at their earlier age so most of them haven't reach their potenial, only few recent examples : Alin Stoica, Chiseru, Razvan Cocis, Ianis Zicu.
The things have begining to change in the last time, when the influence of that specific player's agent have minimised, the best clubs in Romania began to show more credit to their youth, i've seen good player like say Ochirosii (Steaua) or Pulhac (Dinamo), players raised by the club's school and how the coaches begin to give credit and games for first teams. From Steaua, the main investor give assuarace that no player will leave the club under 23 years of age. But the democratic laws could not produce the same effects like the communist laws, to keep players like Hagi, Lacatus in Romania, until they reach the maturity is very hard possible in a free player market, not for Romania, but for every country not very potent economical and under the current aversion of the UEFA regulations.

How great footballistic nation would Brasil or Argentina would have been if the european giants would have not clean up this countries by talents, only to destroy most of them in a ultra-tacticised game?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: dinamo_fan_4_ever Date: 26-07-2006, 11:04	and dont forget ropotan - dinamo and torje - timisoara

Author: Ricardo
Date: 26-07-2006, 11:24

I agree with STK here: it is better to rise and fall then to stay below. Like with Holland: Twente is not good for the coefficient this year, but maybe next yearor the year after if they (ever) qualify again they will have some experience (and maybe a point or 2 to get seeded??).
Experience is good. If you are talking about Farul's goals in the first and last minutes, I remember hte Milan-PSV semifinal of 2005, Milans goals were scored in the 46, 90 and 89(2nd tie) minute.
I like that a country can reach the top from place 25, and it will be harder to stay in the top 10 with 6 teams, but it also will be harder to fal back to the 25th spot again, with all the experience gained in the coming 5 years!

Author: gabriel1
Date: 26-07-2006, 23:20

now ,Romania on 8th position..

5 Germany 9.142 4.714 10.571 10.437 0.857 35.721 7/ 7
6 Portugal 10.750 10.250 8.166 5.500 1.000 35.666 6/ 6
7 Netherlands 6.166 5.416 12.000 7.583 0.428 31.593 7/ 7
8 Romania 2.166 4.333 5.500 16.833 1.000 29.832 3/ 3
9 Russia 3.625 5.875 10.000 10.000 0.125 29.625 4/ 4

ps: tomorow, another coeficient points +0,666 for Romania...in uefa cup games maked by Rapid and Dinamo.....

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: cinebelul Date: 27-07-2006, 00:26	nooooo, Romania on 7th or 8th place after this year and 5th or 6th place next year...

Author: doctor
Date: 27-07-2006, 20:36

5 Germany 9.142 4.714 10.571 10.437 0.857 35.721 7/ 7
6 Portugal 10.750 10.250 8.166 5.500 1.000 35.666 6/ 6
7 Netherlands 6.166 5.416 12.000 7.583 0.428 31.593 7/ 7
8 Romania 2.166 4.333 5.500 16.833 1.000 30.165 3/ 3
9 Russia 3.625 5.875 10.000 10.000 0.125 29.625 4/ 4

Dinamo plays tonight

1 point behind Netherland
5 points behind Portugal
Germany doesn`t interest me right now

Let the best win

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-07-2006, 20:49	I look behind and i see a lot of countrys that where looking at us like little kids ,now we are in front of them and we will be in front of other countrys that belive we are only a flame. We are like a sun.We bring light and beauty to footbal,we have proven that everyone can make it if they realy want to. I can`t wait anymore last q rounds. Signed, doctor

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Tomo1s4 Date: 27-07-2006, 21:10	i doubt that romania can make another good season like last year, the main advantage is only 3 but relativly strong teams but it will hard for them to perform like last year, i doubt that Romania will gather more then 10pts overall and if they do, it will be HUGE success.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: STK Date: 27-07-2006, 21:23	@Tomo1s4, yes ... but you didn't signed your post ... doesn't count.

Author: iceman777
Date: 27-07-2006, 22:15
Edited by: iceman777
at: 27-07-2006, 23:22

The qualifying rounds and R1 Uefa are key to a good coefficient for Romania. There's no guarantee that Steaua, Dinamo, Rapid all make it to group stage. But, you get past those rounds, then you are guranteed another 4-6 matches, even more if you finish top 3 out of 5 in UEFA or top 3 out of 4 in CL groups. So it's too early to say definitely that Romania can get to 5th or 6th. Currently I give them about a 25 % chance of doing it. But if all 3 Romanian teams make it to group stage, then I'll give them about a 75% chance. We should have a much better perspective in September after R1 of Uefa. Let's wait and see how many Romanian teams make it to group stage.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 27-07-2006, 23:23	all romanian teams will go into the group stage like last season...because we don't have serious opponents until than(group stages)...all romanian teams are seeded...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: kurt Date: 27-07-2006, 23:37	to gabriel1 i truly hope that romanian teams get tottenham hotspur and west ham and rode ster belgrado

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 27-07-2006, 23:47	ok...

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 28-07-2006, 00:37

I think Romania will be there in the near future with 6-teams (position 8). Once they have 6 teams I suppose they will start losing points but like It is they have already a big advantage so the others will come closer but not tread them.

Advantage of Romania to other countries that got 6 teams in Europe the head-start by the fantastic coefficient of last year and the still small number of teams this year and probably next year to (with 4 teams).

Get to the top 8 is not so a big thing if you have some decent teams but to stay there for 10 years that is a lot harder because when the small teams are there too and the big points of the country coefficient are gone then they have to prove themselfes.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: terente Date: 28-07-2006, 00:43	Hello!(first post) 've been reading this forum for a while now (this is just a new booring post). To all my countrymen : remember our situation 3 years ago.If we get to 8th place that would be enough 4 us. Face it: we don't deserve a better place. We should watch football first.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 28-07-2006, 08:01	@terente please elimante the word "deserve" ,we are where we are and this is the fact ,if after this year we will be on 6th this will be a fact ,it`s no consurne of u or other people on this forum if a country deserve or not it`s place. Does Portugal deserve to be in front of Netherland?

Author: doctor
Date: 28-07-2006, 19:22

Teams from Romania
Steaua-Gorika 3-0 1 point
Steaua-Standard Liege 2-0 1 point
Standard-Steaua 0-0 0,5 points
Bonus 3 points
Dinamo-Beitar Ierusalim 2-0 1 point
Beitar-Dinamo 1-1 0.5 points
Rapid-Sarajevo 4-0 1 point
Sarajevo-Rapid 0-2 1 point

9 points/3 =3 points for our country

Portugal

Austria Viena - Benfica 0-0 0.5 points
Benfica - Austria Viena 2-1 1 point
3 bonus point

4.5 points/6 = 0.75 points

6. Portugal 36.416

Romania 33.498

Rapid and Dinamo seeded for Romania in R1
All 3 teams from Portugal are unseeded in R1

........................................................

It`s very realistic to think that we can score 3 points more then portugal.

I want 3 teams in CL - 2 of them in group strage, why is bothering this thing so much people? Is anyone from Portugal?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: drvasko98 Date: 28-07-2006, 20:03	I agree doctor, but if bad luck falls Dinamo or Rapid (bad ref, 5-6 missed goal chances, red card, dificult draw) in R1 anything will be seem diferent. Of course i wish you and all Romanian fans many successes and 6 th place in the end of the year

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 29-07-2006, 12:22	This is an article from a newspaper from Romania. Ionut Iordache says that Romania has chanses to go on 5 or 6 th place after this year (a optimistical variant) http://www.gsp.ro/index.php?a=50685&shift=1

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Serge Date: 29-07-2006, 12:34	Yeah, I remember they made an article in autumn last season how Romania can go with 2 teams in CL, and what they did really accomplished. We'll see this year if there article will be right

Author: moro
Date: 29-07-2006, 13:48

We must however realise that we need to stay focused every game because we all know Dinamo's talent to loose against albanians or others weak teams, than Rapid doesn't look very well this season with that Griffith, without Nico, with Maldarasanu always injured, etc. The worst scenario is that those two teams looses next round, then we'll discuss about keeping the 9-th place... U saw those two goalkeepers from Dinamo and Rapid last week??? Horribles.
Then UC R1 will not be easy, there's a lot of teams who could put us in trouble. Last year we had very good refferes, but this year?
We'll have a lot presure to support until phase group. If our 3 teams will play group stage, we'll end 6-th. It doesn't matter if it's 5 or 6. Anyway, germans teams will be untouchables.
I'm not saying anything about Steaua because Standard must be weak (I hope so).
I think that finally Romania will do well, but part of this will be due to that horrible decision to put Sportul in second division. This is very important because Steaua, Rapid and Dinamo will get 3 or 4 very good players each. It'll take 1 month to integrate them, but te strenght will be considerably improved.

Author: STK
Date: 29-07-2006, 16:18

But also, we have to realise that along with all the specific romanian pesimism and hundreds of post that plead to patience and to a moderate opinion, this season, may be as well a historical one, in the condition that the 3 romanian teams can reach the best coefficient all times, beating Spain (1999-2000) 18.571 For this is requierd like all 3 teams to beat last year performances, and especially Steaua to have a long CL run. This a unique opportunity, as it is hard to imagine in the future that Romania will comeback to 3 strong teams in eurocups, and after this year we can expect to a lot worst country coefficients. It is possible and if you like mathematics-programming-statistics, you ussualy like to examine all the possible situation.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 29-07-2006, 22:08	If a tragedy will happen this year ,Romania will be on 6th after next year for sure,so people from portugal and espasialy pedro you will see only 2 teams in CL

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: ice_ball Date: 30-07-2006, 22:08	Brother I don't think Romnia is to be in top 5. 8 is already high for us, We should be somewhere around 10. Best regards.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: ron Date: 31-07-2006, 00:01	all the calculation for nothing. Beitar will kick out Dinamo unless uefa will take it out of Israel.

Author: Aliceag
Date: 31-07-2006, 00:17

From a Portuguese point of view, I don't mind the sucess of Romania since Portugal does also a good job. We have 3 strong teams also, they can all play in CL and go far, or even they can go to UC and go very far. Germany has 8 spots... One can think, yeah Romania can reach 5th. I don't mind that since Portugal keeps 6th... that means, Germany to fall off to 7th... why not? Could be a pleasant surprise :P

Author: sr_sofisticacao
Date: 31-07-2006, 11:00

I am Portuguese as well. Regarding this matter, I have a few things to say.
1) I have nothing against Romanian teams and I wish them the same luck as I wish every other team from any other country.
2) I recognize the value of Romanian football and I hope especially your national team (that was the last one to defeat mine in a qualification match) returns to its former condition.
3) You had a very good year in 2006. Lightning usually doesn't strike twice in the same place (that is, I doubt you can repeat what happened last year).
4) Arrogance is not a virtue.
5) I hope both teams from Romania play against the "weak" Portuguese teams in UEFA Cup (yours are seeded, ours aren't). That way, either you can prove your point of 5th place for Romania in the rankings being the realistic goal for this season or you can start thinking about consolidating your present place as a realistic objective.
Good luck!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 31-07-2006, 11:04	@ron yeah,sure...who's the fuck is Beitar?!?!?...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 31-07-2006, 11:45

Beitar are a club with a rich (and very colourful!) owner.

Arkadi Gaydamak has an estimated fortune of at least $800m. According to wikipedia he has two arrest warrants out on him in France - for tax evasion and illegal arms dealing with Angola.

On the same day he invested in Beitar Jerusalem he apparently donated $400000 to their local rivals - Hapoel Bnei Sakhnin, who are a primarily Arab club. This was, he said: "in hopes to promote peace and harmony among the citizens of Israel". After Sakhnin were relegated he allegedly gave them another $2m in the hope they make a quick return to the top flight!

All I can say is - if he has that much money spare to give to his rivals how much does he have for his own club?

Well, enough to pay Ossie Ardiles as manager. And to attract Derek Boateng from AIK in Sweden.

Money doesn't guarantee you success but if I were Dinamo I wouldn't be counting my ranking points just yet!

Author: executor
Date: 31-07-2006, 12:55

Far from me the thought of underestimating any team, but I'm totally convinced that Dinamo will pass'em. Even with 2 wins. It's true Dinamo has a joke of a defence, but has a powerful attack: Claudiu "Free-Kick" Niculescu (tip to Beitar players: do not commit fouls on a 30 m radius from your goal

), Ionel D�nciulescu, Ionel Ganea (English users may have bad memories about him), C�t�lin Munteanu, and the young Adrian Cristea who scored a beautiful goal last night.

Don't consider this bragging, I'm a Rapid fan. Just laying out the facts.

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 31-07-2006, 13:02
Edited by: 5UCLGSteams
at: 31-07-2006, 13:10

@executor: "Claudiu "Free-Kick" Niculescu (tip to Beitar players: do not commit fouls on a 30 m radius from your goal )"

Do you think we are going to see a "ladies game"? For me Beitar sounds more dangerous

.....more dangerous for them indeed

@sofisticacao: You're right. It would be very interesting to have a crash between romanian and portuguese teams in UC R1.
I also wish good luck to you and your country

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: executor Date: 31-07-2006, 13:13	Remember Omonia last year? Do you remember why they lost qualification? Also OM? a good team can repell attacks without comitting fouls near their own box. but I don't think Beitar is that good

Author: ron
Date: 31-07-2006, 13:38

We are speeking about Boateng and forgeting the rest:

1. Shimon Gershon, the former captain of Hapoel Telaviv, score against Chelsee and led Hapoel to Q-F of uefa cup 5 years ago.
2. Tomer Ben Yosef. like Gershon, one of the stopers of the netional team, one of the most fasters stopers in the world!
3. Gal Alberman. came to Beitar from Tenerif 7 months ago and have the biggest selery in Israel, 400 k euro. no. 6 of the Israeli team.
4. Toto Tamuz. nigerian-Israely player, 19 year old like a horse.
5. Omry Afek. former Rasing Santander player, Dinamo wanted him a weeks ago.

more?

Author: Serge
Date: 31-07-2006, 13:51

I saw the match yesterday, and Dinamo has to work on defence (especially Pulhac

), the offence is good, must work on omogenity, cause sometimes the offense was haotic, but they also made teriffic scoring chances!

About Beitar, I suppose they be the problem which Omonia gave to Dinamo last year, I think Beitar and Maribor were the worse that Dinamo and Rapid could get.

Anyway, success to both, may the best win

What about Portugese friends, don't take in serious the very optimistic threads ! We are both latin Nations and you know how excited we can become. I also wish goodluck to Portugal, who knows, maybe you can get another tremendous CL Final (like Porto)

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: ron Date: 31-07-2006, 14:01	Copering Beitar to Omonia is a beat of underestimeting.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: STK Date: 31-07-2006, 15:02	Dinamo II - Beitar (with 4-5 reserves) 2-8 (a friendly few weeks ago) Will be hard for Dinamo to pass. @executor, And what about FK Sarajevo? Do you think that you are already in UCR1?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: terente Date: 31-07-2006, 15:26	Doc, Portugal really deserves to be in front of Netherlands (UC + CL + UC final... + better national team ).This is really not a great example.

Author: Serge
Date: 31-07-2006, 19:28

ron, noway I underestimate ! I respect Omonia , because Omonia showed a good football! You don't know how tight was the match against them. I don't know how they are this season, but the last was hard to play against them: They opened the score in Bucharest, than Dinamo managed luckly to score 3! In Cyprus they were close to be eliminated when Omonia scored 2 goals, but Niculescu saved the match with a free-kick, then Omonia was close to send the match on extra-time ! So, as you see, I speek about Omonia with respect, because I never was certain of Dinamo's quallification! Beitar has a star-coach and some known players, together with Maribor I didn't want them ! Also, much will depend on the place of the second leg !

Author: Mitzah
Date: 01-08-2006, 20:04

Well, I'm a romanian myself and this is what I can tell you:

It would be nice to end up 6th or 7th this year, and next year even in the top five with luck(we'll have 4 teams in the eu cups), but I don't really think we're going to climb in the top 5 by the end of the competitional year unless we do at least better than last year(15 points if I remember correctly). Steaua can get into the CL group stage, but I think they can't possibly reach a quarter final...perhaps 3rd place in the group might be better. But still, if they advance, we'll have to rely on Rapid and Dinamo in the Uefa cup to get more points.
Bert says that money will be needed and we(I mean the average teams in our league) don't have a lot of that, but after the last season a lot of people began to invest in football...
I also noticed that all the bulgarian teams have great chances of advancing(I think Levski might end up in the group stage if they're careful with Chievo) and I expect Bulgaria to end up 9-12 this season, maybe even higher. I'm also looking forward to the Romania-Bulgaria clash in the Euro 2008 qualifiers :D

Author: Crash1o6
Date: 02-08-2006, 02:06

Hmm.. I'm sorry to say it.. but.. I don't think Dinamo.. can even get to group stages this year(theyr only goal is to be romanian champions this season so they go directly to CL next year, they don' give a piece of crap on uefa cup this year) .. I wish theme the best luck they can get in uefa cup(not romanian championship :D).. More to add.. There is a great battle for all romanian teams to be champions and get in CL grup stage next year.. So probably rapid.. won't concentrate that much on uefa 2. Dinamo officials alrady sayed they are not interested in uefa cup. And Steaua may be the only one to do big points but that will only happen if they qualify for the cl grups... If not.. they will try asame like others.. To be champions and go to cl next year.. So i don't realy see this year as a great one for romanian coefficient.. I say we will get around 5000 if we are lucky.. that should keep us on 9'th.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Mitzah Date: 02-08-2006, 19:32	If I remember correctly, Rapid or Steaua also said that they're not interested... The thing is that, if Dinamo or Rapid get as far as the quarter finals they'll get interested...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Serge Date: 02-08-2006, 21:12	Dinamo looks like a parazit ( sorry for Dinamo fans ), they try to use Steaua's and Rapid success and don't give importance to gain points for Romania. I hope that this year, Steaua and Rapid will take the C.L spots, because this must be as a reward for what they did last season, but as we know, football is not everytime fair...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: athos Date: 02-08-2006, 23:43	Well, Serge, Gorica didn't prove to be a tough opponent at all! So Steaua is on it's way to CL, though it is going to be tough with Standard, but I think they are going to make it. But despite all optimistic oppinions, I don't see Romania in better place than 7 at the end of the year. No way. Let's just be realistic. But, hey, that's a good result!

Author: athos
Date: 03-08-2006, 00:00

Hi!

I've just read some peoples's concern about Romania not having6 good teams to make performance in european cups and I .... agree and I don't.

I think that currently there are 5 teams that are almost of the same strength in Romania. These teams are of course the "big three", plus Politehnica Timisoara and CFR Cluj. Just look the Intertoto run of Cluj last year. And these teams remained on the same level. So, maybe 6 teams in european cups is too much for romanian football, but 4 is certainly NOT! Maybe even 5, but hey, let's just calm down.

I advice the enthusiastic Romanian fans, not to want too much. Guys, to have the 8-10th place CONSTANTLY with 2 teams in CL and 2 in UEFA is just enough for a while! The better places are really just for the "rich guys". So, do not want too much. That's what I think.

Bye.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: athos Date: 03-08-2006, 00:19	> I say we will get around 5000 if we are lucky.. that should keep us on 9'th. "KEEP US"!? Yohooo! Wake up! Romania ended in position 10 after season 2005-2006. And that does NOT quarantee a place in the CL.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 03-08-2006, 01:34	Yes athos but we started this seson 2006-2007 on 9'th.. That's why i sayed that should keep us on 9'th.. even if now we are on 8'th now.. But some russian teams didn't even started

Author: doctor
Date: 03-08-2006, 08:19

Romania is in first place in ranking and i hope they will stay there until the end. I hope that all 3 teams from Romania q in group stage. It`s a realistic objective,there all teams will concetrate more and they are seeded so they can do good this year. We must score from now 5 points more then Portugal OR Germany so we are doing good. We obtained so far maximum of points.This is a good thing!! I asure u that there is interest for UEFA for both Rapid and Dinamo ,don`t try to excuse them like people for other countrys. Now u can make money from UEFA too and they will be more popular ,i think they need that. Rapid managed to find good sponsors after a good evolution from last year. I think the will try this year the same ,and Dinamo too.

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 03-08-2006, 10:37
Edited by: 5UCLGSteams
at: 03-08-2006, 10:44

@athos :

Maybe we want too much according to where we left from a few years ago ,or to our not very great financial situation and also according to the 2+2 teams for places 8-10 which of course is very good for the "beginning" but certainly we don't when it is about our potential or if you want tehnical skills of romanian players in general.

Romanian teams "exploded" last year because they finally had what they hadn't had before: and it was not about money first(which is simply decent) but about stability combined with a bit of luck and a bit of european experience.Talent was already there and that made it so unbelievable i think.

When it comes about Romania in general, crazy , clever people, talents and beauties

are not very hard to find ( do not take this as an arrogance cause it is not

).Also some negative aspects are not very hard to find at us

and all these kind of neutralise almost all the special good things. But as long as there is stability and sort of discipline expect us to exponentially reach from time to time no.1 as we did last year with the country coeff.(when another country with 3 teams involved will be able to add >=16.833 in one year to its coeff i would be very happy but i doubt it would happen very soon) Of course exponential evolutions

should be followed by same category of involutions

unless we finally learn something from all these...at least for a while

I would conclude: If maths allows ,it is very possible that due to stability and experience issues that remained 90% the same as last year (don't know about luck aspect) and the fact that our 3 teams are the same as last year (this year i would expect Steaua and Dinamo to perform better,Rapid sold essential players

) Romania might finish 1st again this year so 5th or 6th in general is possible unless unexpected events. Still, after this year,despite advantage to stay there in top 7 for several years,we will never make it 1st again with more than 3 teams involved i think.The fact that due to maths aspects we might be 4th 5th or 6th in general(last 5 years top coeff) in one year, it doesn't make any difference for me.

What does make a difference for me is the fact that collecting more than 10.000 this year would show that last year's performance wasn't just luck but also pure value of romanian football related more to the romanian style of football game and less to financial power of romanian football.

(90% of the players from Steaua Rapid and Dinamo are romanian players)

I find "top5-top10" position ok for us in general(average) but also 1st place from time to time like last year at country coeff and like 20 years ago in 1986 when Steaua lifted UCL trophy.

Regards,
Adrian

Author: athos
Date: 03-08-2006, 23:00

Crash1o6: Ok, sorry. It was a misunderstanding.

By the way, I agree: I don't think that another country with three clubs participating will end soon in 1st place at the end of a season. This is really an "outburst". But though I agree, that good times are to come for romanian football, I don't think that they are going to repeat the last seasons's performance, at least not in "coefficient levels". I'm already worried about Dinamo (against Beitar Ierusalem) and also a bit for Steaua (against Standard).

PS: I also agree that Romania has the player basis for good results, so last seasons' performance wasn't just luck, but only partly.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: vlad-tzepesh Date: 03-08-2006, 23:45	What do you mean you are afraid for Steaua against Standard. If the Romanian champions don't make it to the group stage this year, it would be a big boost to Romania's coefficient.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: 5UCLGSteams Date: 04-08-2006, 00:13	@vlad-tzepes: He probably meant he is not so confident with Steaua's capacity of so easily defeating in style Standard like many others here(me included) are. It is his right to believe that and ,as "arrogance is not a virtue", i think is better to simply ask him to watch (if possible) the game and maybe he will get more confident...or maybe not. No offense, Adrian

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Mitzah Date: 04-08-2006, 08:43	What do you people mean !? AFAIK, we'll have 2 CL teams after this season(one dirrectly in the groups, and one into the 3rd round)...right? I remember reading somewhere something like "Scottish hopes wnded by romanians" or something...The article was about Scotland having one team dirrectly qualified in the group stage, but we outrunned them by taking the 10th position...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: executor Date: 04-08-2006, 08:50	@Mitzah No, our champion will be in CLQR3 and the 2nd placed in CL QR2. If the CL winner will qualify for CLGS from their domestic championship, our champion will be put directly into GS, but the 2nd placed will still start in QR2.

Author: Serge
Date: 04-08-2006, 09:10

athos said - "Well, Serge, Gorica didn't prove to be a tough opponent at all!"

Yes they didn't, but you must not forget that they sold 3 key players like Birsa, Brugic ( if I'm right ) and a midddlefield, so Steaua cought them in a bad situation. I was right when I said that, hoped to be wrong, and in the end Gorica sold key players and showed nothing. I think if Gorica wouldn't have sold those players, they could be close to what showed Maribor in IC ! Football is not just what you see on the pitch, it is more, more than that !!!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: emresen Date: 04-08-2006, 10:06	yeah, perfect suddenly success. But when Romania start to take part with 6 teams, it will be more harder, you know. Hope to continue success...

Author: Crash1o6
Date: 04-08-2006, 16:40

well serge .. If you put it this way.. Steaua had been without 3 key players in the matches with gorica.. Ogararu - gone to Ajax, Radoi(captain)- big injuray..operated, Carlos - injured at training before the reaturn with Gorica. And steaua played the secound match witch she won with 3-0 mainly with secound team, even so goric had nothing to say in the matches, simply a team witch strugled not to gain to more goals... Mabe they had a'n efficient defens sometimes but with all man in theyr part of terrain. I don't think that if Gorica had the 3 players that she lost whould have done what maribor did.. At the game with villareal was nothing more about than simple luck and underestimation from villareal(and to relaxed players).

Author: Osirius
Date: 07-08-2006, 07:52
Edited by: Osirius
at: 07-08-2006, 07:54

OK,some cold shower for my romanian friends.
Nobody denies last years achivement of romanian teames,especially of Steaua,but in the end Steaua lost to an average english team in case where it was difficult to do.Last year many didnot expect such a performance from romanians,but this year it will be at least 2 times harder than it was.Right now is qualyfiyng and everything goes smooth but let's wait for at least some average opponents from Poland,Ukraine,Russia or Greece let alone Spain,England or Italy and will see.
My prediction for the ranking in the end of the season is:

1.Spain
2.England
3.Italy
4.France
5.Germany
6.Portugal
7.Russia
8.Netherlands
9.Romania
10.Ukraine
11.Scotland
12.Belgium

Author: Serge
Date: 07-08-2006, 09:02

I can see that you are Russian after this ranking

I like your ranking, if I thinnk about mantaining Romania's spot, but why you think that Russia will gain so much mor points than Romania ? I think these 2 countries will be pretty close with around 8 points, but anything can happen! I watch some matches of Russian premierleague where UEFA clubs are involved and the only who impressed me is Spartak that impressed me, they showed to be in a good shape, but what about other 3 I think Romanian clubs wouldn't mind to meet in following rounds !

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: drvasko98 Date: 07-08-2006, 09:14	dear romanian friends do you sure in Dinamo progress against Beitar. Im not so and wont bet any money for this. Probably you will have 2 teams in GS - 1 in C,this isn't a advantage(for national coef of course), cause Steaua can earn more point in UC. I dont believe you get more than 9,000

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Serge Date: 07-08-2006, 10:25	I think Romanians will be glad with 9 points, 16 points again is a little bit as SF, but football can be SF too :D . Yeah, Beitar is a very tough opponent to meet in Qualifiers, the second leg in Belgium can be a great advantage !

Author: executor
Date: 07-08-2006, 14:30

@drvasko98

On another forum (for betting tips) I read the comments of some Israeli users saying that Beitar is much overrated, because of their huge budget. They may have (relatively) famous players, but the relations between them are not formed yet and as a result Beitar played extremely bad in friendlies. On the other hand Dinamo players know each other very well and speak the same language. I really don't think Dinamo will have too much trouble.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: MalcolmW Date: 07-08-2006, 17:58	As with Everton??

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: STK Date: 07-08-2006, 20:18 Edited by: STK at: 07-08-2006, 20:18	I think that chances of romanian teams to advance are as following: Steaua 55%-45% Standard Rapid 60%-40% FK Sarajevo Dinamo 50%-50% Beitar

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Tano Date: 07-08-2006, 22:32	In case that Romanian teams win all six games, they'll have an amazing coef. of 5.000 for the season even before the season had started really... In fact, I expect a point less of the maximum.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: midstar Date: 09-08-2006, 22:57	Today: Romania 2 + 0.166 Tomorow: Romania ...Ho knows maybe 2 + 0.166 + 0.666

Author: athos
Date: 10-08-2006, 22:52

Hmmm. After the 1st leg result I would say, that the odds have changed a bit:

Steaua 60 - Standard 40

Rapid 50 - Sarajevo 50. Sorry to say that, but Rapid played extremely poor today. But they proved to be very strong at home last year (Feyenoord 1-0, Rennes 2-0, PAOK 1-0, Hertha 2-0, Hamburg 2-0) so everything is possible.

Dinamo 50 - Beitar 50. Beitar played quite well, but they play next leg on neutral ground. This is advantage for Dinamo.

Does anyone agree?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: athos Date: 10-08-2006, 23:15	Not long ago I said I was worried for Dinamo and a bit for Steaua, and not for Rapid. Well, now I'm worried for Rapid too. Should two romanian teams qualify from the three, I guess I would be satisfied. Sort of ...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gabriel1 Date: 10-08-2006, 23:27	don't forget...rapid has taken the goal in 10 players in 93 min... on the home stadium, they should not have any problem to go tru...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Mitzah Date: 11-08-2006, 12:28	People, I've checked, and Romania's top team will go dirrectly in the group stage at the end of the season. I see that Scotland is (or was) on 10th position in the 04-05 ranking, and now they have Celtic dirrectly in the group stage! The 2nd ranked team will play in the 2nd QR and so on...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: kurt Date: 11-08-2006, 12:43 Edited by: kurt at: 11-08-2006, 12:45	to Mitzah you are totally wrong, it can be but you are not sure.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: badgerboy Date: 11-08-2006, 13:09	Mitzah The Champions of the 10th ranked country only qualifies directly for the Group Stage IF the CL winner has already qualified directly - FOR THE GROUP STAGE - through their domestic league. If Arsenal (only 4th in England) had won the CL last year then Celtic would have had to play QR3. But as Barcelona did it (& were already qualified as Spanish Champions) Celtic got direct access.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Mitzah Date: 11-08-2006, 13:45	Ok, now I understand, thx!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Serge Date: 11-08-2006, 13:51	As long as Dinamo and Rapid won't solve the problems which are obvious also on the pitch, I think this topic has no place here... I thought yesterday about 0.666 points for Romania, but the situation isn't so pink...

Author: cska
Date: 11-08-2006, 14:21

Not only our Romanian friends are concerned about Rapid (and maybe Dinamo, and maybe... even Steaua), but they must be also concerned on the development of point earning in the second legs. We already saw that Romanian teams got only 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss in these CL and UC QRs. If Beitar beats Dinamo and if Steaua fails to beat Standard and if Rapid beats Sarajevo by no more than 2-1 or 3-2, then the situation for Romanian coefficient may become really dangerous. Too many IFs and let's hope that most of them don't come through (especially for Steaua, because CSKA Sofia is currently the last seeded team in R1 if no major upsets in CL happen).

Author: iceman777
Date: 11-08-2006, 16:25

That's why I've been saying it's way too early to talk about 5th or 6th place. The only way that happens is if Romania gets all 3 teams in group stage. Right now there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee Dinamo and Rapid make it to Round 1, let alone group stage. Even if they sqeek by this round they will face tougher opposition in Round 1. Having said that I think the chances are:

Steaua 60% - Standard 40% I think Steaua is very hungry to finally make it to group stage again. They will give it all they have, and they will not take Standard lightly at home.

Rapid 60% - Sarajevo 40% Rapid has the capability to win by 2-3 goals easily. I don't see them not winning in Bucharest, it's only a question of what score. I think they'll will 4-1 at home.

Dinamo 55% - Beitar 45% Under normal circumstances Beitar would have the 55 percent. But the return game will be on neutral ground, and Dinamo did not concede any goals at home. I don't see Dinamo loosing by 2 goals. They could lose 2-1 and move on.

Author: doctor
Date: 11-08-2006, 21:28

It`s to early to speak about Rapid Dinamo and Steaua value they had to few official matches they will go for sure all 3 in next round. I predicted corectly only standard-steaua 2-2 and dinamo-beitar win. After 5 -6 official matches we can speak about this 3 teams. For bow we are in second place in coeficients after another favorite of mine Bulgaria. I gop they will finish on 10th and Romania on 5th and Rusia on 6th

. (Romania must finish minimum on 6th)

Author: niti_rapid
Date: 11-08-2006, 23:27

Let's hope so doc. For all RAPID funs who visit this forum: the team needs you more than everything on the 24-th of august. OUR COUNTRY RANKING depends on us.
Best regards (and results)for Steaua and Dinamo funs but only against Europe and not in our domestic competition in the battle for the first place. If doctors' prediction is corect, then we can also finish second.
That portuguese referee did help his country a little by sending off very easy Marius Constantin, don't you think doc?

Author: doctor
Date: 12-08-2006, 06:57

Portugal is the only country who calculates his coeficient and thinks about the future ,they don't put a team in intertoto because that team could be seeded and if qualyfies in UEFA they will lose points.Portugal feels that Romania and Rusia could do it this year (Netherland has to many teams) and they don`t wont to lose a team with direct access in CL.Rapid will q and i hope in round 1 both Dinamo and Rapid will get portugese teams ,and then we can show them who`s the boss.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 12-08-2006, 07:30	Italy don't send teams in intertoto cup.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Floridian Date: 12-08-2006, 07:50	@Overgame, Italy was planning to have 1 team in the Intertoto cup this year. It was due to the ongoing investigation into the match-fixing scandal that caused Italian Federation to withdraw from Intertoto cup. Italian slot was given to France (Auxerre got it).

Author: MalcolmW
Date: 12-08-2006, 10:25

It is up to clubs - not national FAs - to apply for Intertoto places. I believe no Portuguese nomination was made because no eligible club expressed a wish to enter. Other countries with a dim view of the old format (such as England) have accepted the new set-up. I am quite sure that no English club cares a fig about the country coefficient when deciding whether or not to enter, and I suspect the same is true in Portugal.

Author: doctor
Date: 12-08-2006, 11:25

I belive that portugesse teams had recieved indications not to aply in ntertoto cup from the president of portugesse footbal. It was not a order only a sugestion and a agrement betwen them.
@Malcom it's just hard to belive that in championship it doesn`t exist only a team that would like to profit by the seeding in last round in intertoto cup. All top 10 countrys have a team that has participated in intertoto except Italy because their scandals.
For ex: Germany last year 8 teams,France this year 8 teams , Netherland 7 teams.
This countrys are around Portugal coeficient and have 2 and 1 team more then Portugal. This is not a fair competition but this are the rules and Portugal have speculated very good the rules.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 12-08-2006, 13:10

"I belive that portugesse teams had recieved indications not to aply in ntertoto cup from the president of portugesse footbal. It was not a order only a sugestion and a agrement betwen them".

Doctor - do you have any source for this? If so, I would be interested in seeing it.

I hope it wasn't me! I did post something along these lines on a thread some time back - but I was being a bit ironic (& had no evidence on which to base my "allegations").

I have also said before (and still do) that Intertoto matches should now count for a country's coefficient (at least as qualifying matches) AND that the number of teams on which the coefficient is based should be the number of teams eligible to take part (in all competitions), not the number actually taking part.

That way - although I don't think any "coefficient advantage" achieved by not entering teams is intentional - any unintentional advantage is removed. And so is the same "advantage" of your team not qualifying from the Intertoto.

Author: moro
Date: 12-08-2006, 13:53

I'm afraid that this year we'll have to fight to keep the 8-th spot so that we can get teams directly in UCR1 and CLQR3. Rapid and Dinamo, even if they manage to pass QR2, are not doing well at all. Because of the management, those permanents tensions, lack of money, etc. We need lot of chance at draw to get in the group phase. Once again, I'm afraid at least one of our teams wont get through (we've never liked to play against ex-serbian teams, portuguese and most french and spanish teams). Germany and Portugal are far away, Russia seems to be in excellent shape this year. We should rather watch the 2008 ranking and hope we'll stay on 5 or 6-th that year.
Am I the only one who liked Ze Kalanga and think that he wes the only one who managed to make the difference a lots of times?

Author: panda
Date: 12-08-2006, 14:51

@doctor

Yes, for sure it's true that in the past, English clubs disliked the Intertoto, because it interefered with pre-season. So sometimes the entrants were quite weak, by no means the team that had finished next to the UC entrants in the league table, and sometimes the more successful IT entrants then suffered a domsetic collapse late in the season. But, as badgerboy says, with the new rules, it is just like a UC QR1, so I expect that in future, English teams will fight for that place.

Author: doctor
Date: 12-08-2006, 17:23

@badgerboy i started my post with "i belive" it's only one opinion i`m not sure of this so if i had a surse for this then i would said "i`m sure".
It`n not an advantage for Portugal the 7th team because it is known that only 3 teams from Portugal cary the coeficient every year ,they don`t like even the 3 teams from UEFA because they are not doing well but they could do only a thing for that improve their footbal. A 7 th team can do only bad i asure u.
@panda i agree with u that intertoto cup could do bad to a team. But they must play only a final round this round is played around UC q2 so if teams from countrys like Rusia Ukraine or Romania could play a team from Portugal coul play only 1 match away and a match home like a frendly one.
I`m very curios why it doesn`t exist no team from Portugal ,i' m sure that from a championship minimum 1 team would like to play in intertoto but this could be stoped by a agreement at rulers table.
It's very good for Portugal footbal but "i belive" this agreement exists there.
I`m sure that if the intertoto team will count at coeficient and even if that team doesn`t participate the coeficient of a country would be divided by the number of CL UEFA and INTERTOTO teams than Portugal would have that team like all other countrys .

Author: panda
Date: 12-08-2006, 17:42

@doctor

Yeah- that's what I said, NOW a high ranked country's team only has to play one round and then it's UC QR2, I think the idea is different. I think now you will find that 7th place (or whatever) in England will be a desirable one. In the past, everyone played more rounds, AND there were only three winners, not 11.

In general, I think there is no possibility clubs make decisions except for themselves, and coefficients are totally not considered. But I agree, ANY big / medium association that gives up on the IT place (or its clubs do); it is interesting to know why.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: MalcolmW Date: 12-08-2006, 21:21	Boavista seem to be the hughest club to let the IT place pass. It will be interesting to see who the (lower placed) losing cup finalists perform in UC.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 15-08-2006, 10:25	I want in group stage if Steaua qualifies to play against Porto And to my friens in Bulgaria i wont their team Levsky help us against Sporting or Benfica. The est must do their job this year. Rusia,Romania,Ukraine,Bulgaria,Turkey,Grecce good luck

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 18-08-2006, 13:49	look for yourself how much people waits for standard at Bucuresti.I predict 60.000 people at the stadium and Steaua will win for sure http://www.stelisti.ro/multimedia/foto/Foto_bilete_Lia_Manoliu.html

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: gluer Date: 18-08-2006, 18:14	Romania will be on 5th only if Steaua, Rapid & Dinamo will qualify for the groups. Last year Dinamo didn't qualify from the groups. If this year all three teams pass groups then Romania will be at least on 6th place. With a bit of luck will be on 5th.

Author: chris85
Date: 19-08-2006, 01:14

I never believed that this round could generate so many problems for teams that reached last year high levels in UEFA Cup.
5th place is possible for Romania but not this year. I think that this 5th place that we have all been talking about doesn t have to be a target....I don't understand why Romanian fans want their country on 5th place because 6th place offer the same advantages as 5th, so Romania should target that place which is more likely to be reached.

Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 19-08-2006, 03:46
Edited by: Lupta_Steaua
at: 19-08-2006, 03:52

I have to say that Romania can really be on 7 (which is egual to 5 in terms of teams and starting rounds) next year (unless, God forbids, we will have our teams out next round).

Therefore, I believe a discussion on Romania's place next year is way too early to start. Let's hope each team does what we all expect them to do.

And I would want to make a general appeal to all football lovers in Romania: let's forget about Gigi, Borcea and Copos, behave as true fans of the team and the country, and have them play football as nice for us as they can and deserve!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: rossoblu Date: 19-08-2006, 03:52 Edited by: rossoblu at: 19-08-2006, 04:08	are u stupid ? do you think these guys know who are Gigi, Borcea and Copos? make general appeals on romanian forums here we talk with others dinamo fans ar the most pathethic fans on earth they match perfectly with their pathetic team.How should I forgot about those fcking dickheads and support the embarsment called dinamo bucharest, fcking loosers GO BEITAR !

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: kurt Date: 19-08-2006, 11:25	to all stupid romanian fans, and here are a lot, please walk away, i have to read all this bullshit every day, romania will never be 5th, if this and if that, everybody can say if every team go to group stage of a country my country gets this and that, i am fed up with that, find another site, in romania please

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: chris85 Date: 19-08-2006, 15:05	Kurt, do not act like a country boy.....After all this is a forum where anyone can express his opinion. If you don�t like this subject do not read those opinions�And those insults are really pathetic.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 19-08-2006, 16:07	Dream on guys... Romania can go as far as 7'th place this year.. No chance to go further more.. Probably it will end on 9'th.. but that's if Bulgaria will not do any miracles this year :p even if i think romanian soccer is better than bulgarian one.(you can see bulgarian teams buying romanian players.. but you can't see romanian teams buying bulgarian players).

Author: rossoblu
Date: 19-08-2006, 16:35
Edited by: rossoblu
at: 19-08-2006, 16:51

just to make some specifications, romanian players who went to Bulgaria because in Romania Steaua Dinamo and Rapid rarely transfer players between them because of the high rivalry

Eugen Trica former Steaua player went to CSKA a few years ago because at that time other clubs then Steaua Dinamo Rapid didn't have much money, Now's a different situation more clubs are financialy strong (Poli Timisoara, CFR Cluj etc) and bought good players from Portugal and Serbia etc.

The really good bulgarians and romanians go to better championships (italy,spain, etc)I really respect Bulgaria and their people, I respect the most CSKA Sofia and their supporters are fantastic, they came in important European matches to support Steaua, I want to return our friend this favour and go to thier important matches. Steaua and CSKA friends forever !

and yes 7th or 6th place is more achieveble, 5th place is a pretty unrealistic target

Author: Crash1o6
Date: 19-08-2006, 22:09

Ok i just watched rapid 1-1 U. Craiova. Rapid made so many big transfers but they are a dead team.. They can't find theyr play.. And when they see that they can't win they jump into fights with other players. I'm sorry to say it but.. 99% rapid is out with sarajevo unles it will be a miracle and they will play just like last seson in uefa cup ( but their play is far from what they used to play). So 1 team down for romania

.. Dinamo i think will go on to first round... Steaua won today match 3-1 with vaslui and they have 10 points from 4 matches.. team continues to have mistakes.. to many people that has little experience that replace the injured ones. It will be a hard game on 23 with standard.. good luck steaua.. Romania 5'th ( a dream that is put down by reality) not posible.

Author: kurt
Date: 20-08-2006, 01:26

to chris85

i and a lot of other people here, like to read intersting things, not miracles that can happen, is everybody here is saying such nonsense, like halve of the romenians, nobody wants this forum in the way the romanians use it

so do not stop me saying what everybody here thinks, romanians stop wishfullthinking and bragging on,one good year and you think that you can have it every year, go to romanians forums, please, i speak for a lot of people

Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 20-08-2006, 07:33

@ Kurt,

Please man, relax. Why do you judge all Romanians, due to the fact that someone launched a "wishfulthinking" idea?

I have to say that 26 or 25 place in Europe was really a big underrating for Romanian football. It was caused by several bad draws and several bad games (which happened, of course, because of the qualifying rounds).

What happened last year, was maybe a reward for all the pain we went earlier through. Was it too much for Romanian football? Or was it simply too sudden for both Romanians and others to process? I would say that it is the second. That being said, I do think that we, Romanians, should be realistic and see that we are not going to be higher than 7 this year (and not lower than 9). And for the others, I don't really see a problem, when somebody whishes and wants that his/her team wins, because fans everywhere want the same.

I hope you understand what I was trying to say, and stop accusing every Romanian for "wishfullthinking and bragging on". Good luck to all the teams, and cheers to all fans. We all know that football is about great joy, but also great dissapointment. That's the game! So let's all simply enjoy the game!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: kurt Date: 20-08-2006, 09:49 Edited by: kurt at: 20-08-2006, 09:51	in the two earlies posts , i have said halve of the romenians, and the stupid romenians, so i know not every romenian guy is like the wishfulthinkers, but this was said 2 months ago and now still peoples are saying we will be 5th if this and that, BORING and BORING , i and a lot of people are really fed up with such talk

Author: Crash1o6
Date: 20-08-2006, 11:59

kurt, why the f**k u even enter this boring threats? I don't get it. You have so many others to enter. If u read this boring thinks it means you are interested in this things.. or mabe jelous. Sorry to say it.. But this topic is a normal thing. If you whan't it or not you got to agree that what romania did last year, a country placed 25'th to get the bigest coefficient in one year is a verry big thing, not just something that comes and goes(so is logical to se so many romanian topics). If every other nation would have had this kind of result it would have had this kind of wishfull topics... After all is a public forum.. not only for westerners(yes before results form east there were more wetern county users, mabe thats what bothers you), not only for eastenusers.. But for all europeans. So if i whan'a say how my a*s calculates the coefficient i can open a topic. If i whan'a say france will end on 10'th i can open a topic.. What's the big idea?.. It's just a topic for something you don't like(mabe more ppl don't like) but it's a free market

you got to accept thing that you don't like... U see i accept u on this forum even if i don't like u

.. What it woud be if i begin saying that me and more ather ppl don't like you and whan't u out of the forum?

Author: Overgame
Date: 20-08-2006, 12:44

Romania SURE 5th :p Let me laugh.
Let's talk about a possible scenario.

Beitar Jerusalem - Dinamo Bucuresti 2-0 (0 points)
Rapid Bucuresti - FK Sarajevo 2-1 (1 point)
Steaua Bucuresti - Standard Li�ge 1-0 (1+3 points)

Group of Steaua Bucuresti
Barcelona
Chelsea
Steaua Bucuresti
Hamburger SV

Results : 2 victories and 4 defeats (4 points)

Total : 7.5+1+4+4=16.5, divided par 3 : 5.5

A bad case, but not impossible. SO please, stop shouting 'Romania will be 5th in the end of the season !!!!!'.

Author: kurt
Date: 20-08-2006, 12:46

to crash

halve of the romanians are annoying all the other people here a lot, can you read ? then you should have read this ,several times by several people, i am here from the first year, then it was fun , but since the romanians have one good year this forum is going down, and so i tell once again , halve of the romanians go to other forums, if you want be proud of romania, do it, but not here

imagine that all these people are telling such nonsense, great forum

Author: Crash1o6
Date: 20-08-2006, 15:05
Edited by: Crash1o6
at: 20-08-2006, 15:07

kurt, why can't you take it the funny way?.. just like overgame did

. Just made fun of the topic :P. I agree with you that this topic is exagerated for this period of time and some romanians are anoing and yes.. you are exagerating with this problem.. who is that anoing romanian besides doctor and mabe stk?. But all i say is ignore this topic( i see it in a funny way 2 :P). Just go on the normal and old topics that were used before the romanian invasion

i see alot of theme. And just leave ppl to dream

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: badgerboy Date: 20-08-2006, 15:44	Kurt I have to agree with Crash. Why bother commenting on a thread that annoys you. It's easy to see from the topic heading what it's about. And surely it's better to have "Romania", "Bulgaria" or indeed "Belgium" specific threads than to have more general threads "hijacked"?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: antonio62tr Date: 21-08-2006, 10:18	Romanians are so good this year...Lets see whats Abramovich said to newspapers... "This year our biggest rival is Steau, we understood that we cannot defeat them with last years team and we decided to strenghten the team...In this way we bought Sheva and Ballack..."

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: luksus Date: 21-08-2006, 10:26 Edited by: luksus at: 21-08-2006, 10:31	Steaua is really strong and they should be in Quarter-finals of the Champions Laeague at least. But Dinamo and Rapid won't be so strong like last season... and 5th place for Romania is too high. My prediction: 7th place btw, I agree with people who wrote that some posts about Romania (and Bulgaria) are boring and unnecessary.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 21-08-2006, 10:52	I created this topic because i belived that Romania can get to 6th place. If they will be on 7th i will be very dissapointed. So i hope that will be on 5th and if we will be on 6th i still will be happy. I want 3 teams in CL and 3 UC and this is possible. After this week many answers will be giving by results.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 21-08-2006, 14:15

"Steaua is really strong and they should be in Quarter-finals of the Champions Laeague at least".

I'm sorry - I mostly let these threads roll on and don't get involved but sometimes people say things that I just can't let pass. I think it was the inclusion of the words "at least" that tipped me over the edge.

Hmmm - let me see: Arsenal, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Lyon, Inter, Bayern Munich. Steaua are so much better than at least one of these teams - not to mention Liverpool, Manchester United, Roma, Valencia, Porto, Ajax & PSV that they should reach "at least" the Quarter-finals of the Champions League.

Either you hide your irony far better than antonio62tr or the stuff you're smoking must be damned good!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: rossoblu Date: 21-08-2006, 17:26 Edited by: rossoblu at: 21-08-2006, 17:27	doctor and luksus stop posting bullsh*ts, I apologise in the name of objective Steaua fans, I think these two are little kids and don't know much about football Terminati in plm bai ca ne faceti de ras!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Steaua Date: 22-08-2006, 08:21	da`l in mortii masii ca a inceput martalogul sa injure si mi`a dat mie ban bagami`s pu.a`n masa.

Author: levski.bg
Date: 22-08-2006, 22:14

Relax friends, doctor is a nice person. Of course, everyone knows that Steaua is not Milan, but it is strong team, yes ?

If we rememeber FC Petrzalka examples from the last year, we should consider Steaua chance (and Steaua is better than Petrzalka with all my respect for slovakian team) like good.

Of course, football in Belgium and Holland is much advanced. Better grounds/stadiums/finances, good work with young generation and good soccer schools in Afrika and Europe. Real thing that Belgium and Holland is too high to reach, but every person have right for opinion yes ?

Regards, peace and cheers

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: rossoblu Date: 22-08-2006, 22:27	please ban Doctor in the name of all other romanians.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Steaua1 Date: 23-08-2006, 23:25	Now Romania is on 7 th . It seems that doctor is not crazy .

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 24-08-2006, 08:51	Yeah but way to far 6 ......... Not that realistic.. and Russia is comming with speed from behind

Author: Ricardo
Date: 24-08-2006, 09:09

Well, with the trouble Steaua had with Standard, I'm still not convinced (of doctor I mean, of Romania I am)
What I am interested in is that we finally get to see how much Romanian people (== TV-station) is paying to see the Champions League. This will be published because the market pool for Steaua is published. multiply this number by around 2 and you know. Finally we got to see how rich the Western clubs got from the Romanian money!
(As I think it will be sth like the Czech: below the million CHF, I guess Steaua's particiapation(and so retrieving a lot of money!) will make up for a year or 10 absence!!)
Looking at the figures I guess Romania will be passde by Russia soon and will be happy if they can pass Germany (next year?) to become 6th. Becoming 7th does not mean Romania die bad, it means they did just OK.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 24-08-2006, 12:19

Hang on a minute!

Passing Germany soon? Am I missing something here?

Romania are still 3.751 points behind Portugal at the moment. Steaua are in the Champions League for the very first time and getting many points wont be easy - the draw today will be crucial to an extent. The two Romanian UEFA Cup teams aren't playing that well at the moment. I expect (though it's far from certain) both will win today but as for getting to the Group Stage - the draw again will be important.

Portugal have three teams in the Group Stage. Yes Portugal has to score double the points of the Romanian teams to score the same coefficient but I'd say that's more than possible.

Netherlands. Currently on 31.807. With Ajax in the UEFA Cup (and with the caveat that anything can happen in UEFA R1) I still expect the Dutch to score a minimum of 42 points. That's with Ajax winning -or going close to winning - the UEFA Cup and PSV reaching the Last 16 of the CL. Anything the other 5 teams do is virtually a bonus (and Feyenoord and AZ aren't bad teams - even Heerenveen did OK last year). That will put Netherlands on 37.807.

Romania still needs 15.5 points to pass that minimum total. It might well happen but I wouldn't bet on it just yet...

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 24-08-2006, 13:18
Edited by: Giuseppe
at: 24-08-2006, 13:23

Well I'm still hoping the big UCL teams won't mop the floors with us. It all depends on the draw, because with a good draw we could hope to finish 3rd and continue in UEFA.
Also hopefully both Dinamo and Rapid will advance and will get a good draw in the first round.
I know it's a lot to hope for, but if these things happen we might still get a good coefficient this year.
P.S. Another good thing would be to know that we've gotten rid of that nasty habbit of wetting our pants before a big match

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Ricardo Date: 24-08-2006, 13:47	If Romanian teams have a bit of luck Romania will end up with a coefficient of 10 this year. The same as Germany. If we have a look at next year then Romania will then start ahead of Germany (about 1.5 points ahead) Romania will then have at least 4 teams and might find it more difficult to keep the coefficient high, but that will be their target.

Author: athos
Date: 24-08-2006, 14:53

Hi.

Hey, guys, let's just be realistic. I see here some very enthusiastic fans, who already see Steaua win the CL in a couple of years. But let's face it: a 7th-9th place would be just enough for Romania. Better tha nthat, would be too much. Romanian football cannot support more than that just now. Remember, it's still about money. For my oppinion, a stable 7-9 place is just fine with one team directly in CLGS and an other in the qualifyings and with two teams in UEFA. What do you guys expect more? End for the chances of the clubs: I think there is no reason to expect that Steaua will get better position than 3rd. Maybe they'l get second, but only with great LUCK in the today's draw. End I personally would be totally satisfied with a 3rd place. As for Rapid and Dinamo... I'm confident that Rapid will win today, but not sure that they will qualify. Dinamo might also qualify, but there are about 50-50 chances for that.

PS: I couldsay, that I am a FAN of romanian fottball, but let's just be realistic, people.

Author: Steaua
Date: 24-08-2006, 16:00

@hy all i`m doctor
I`ve got banned (the id and my ip),i`m very happy for the romanian success last night and i will watch the draws and the matches tonight ,tomorow we will know if Romania can make it in place 5 or 6 th.
@Ricardo you are one of the few realistic guys in here. If this year Romania will not make it to 6th next year they have a strong REALISTIC AND NON OPTIMISTIC , OBJECTIVE chanse to make it they will lose 2 points and they sure can score more then that. If this year will be a close battle with Germany and Portugal ,next year all we have to do is to play normal and we will make it. We will be the first central-est european country that will make it in top 6.

Congratulations too all central-estern teams that have played last night esspecialy litex-great football. I hope Bulgaria or Ukraine will make it to top 10.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Steaua Date: 24-08-2006, 16:17	*levsky sry

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 25-08-2006, 18:02	End of this season. 1 Spain 2 England 3 Italy 4 France 5 Germany 6 Russia 7 Portugal 8 Netherlands 9 Romania 10 Ukraine 11 Belgium 12 Scotland 13 Bulgaria The rest is hard to predict :p

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 25-08-2006, 23:35

After yesterdays and todays draws i think it is very clear that the battle is no longer for 5th but for 6th place at the end of this season.

Good news for Portugal is that there is still a big gap between them and Romania,Russia and Netherlandsand to me they still have a good chance of keeping their place at the end of this year despite not very happy draws for Portugal teams from UCR1.

Bad news for Portugal is that next year there will be a great gap between the other three and them and this will happen from the very begnning of the next season.

Very interesting to see who will finish 7th and if one or more of the three would be able to take Portugals face for 6th.

Btw, would not be better to move these debates and the others from "Race for 8th" in one single thread named "Race for 6th" but not "Romania on 6th after this year?"

Regards,
Adrian

Author: levski.bg
Date: 26-08-2006, 00:03

I dont think that anyone here hate Steaua.

Steaua is very very strong team, but case with Real, Lyon and Dinamo Kiew is the same.

Real was not so good on the game with Anderleht last days, but they get incredible players from the market, so anything is posible (and just look who is their coach).

Dinamo Kiew, great fans, great staff, great bases (thanks to Lobanovski perhaps), good team (as usual) and elimination of turkish giant Fenerbahce...

Lyon, french domination, one of the best team in Europe and the World. Just remember their last euro clashes...

So, it is normal and not personal, if some people think Steaua will not made.
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Steaua chances for me, depends from the other teams condition.

You have a really strong team and players, but other have that too.

Anything is posible. Good luck to all.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: LevskiFan Date: 26-08-2006, 00:15	thx doctor....I am on the same opinion as u are about our place in the country ranking at the end of the season

Author: doctor
Date: 26-08-2006, 16:48

My predictions

Matches of portugesse teams:

Sporting CP Lisbon Por Internazionale Ita -0 points
Spartak Moscow Rus Sporting CP Lisbon Por -1 point
Sporting CP Lisbon Por Bayern M�nchen Ger -1 point

-sporting will go home

FC K�benhavn Den Benfica Por 4 points
Benfica Por Manchester United Eng 1 point
Celtic Sco Benfica Por 4 points

-place 2 in group

FC Porto Por CSKA Moscow Rus 2 points
Arsenal Eng FC Porto Por 1 point
FC Porto Por Hamburger SV Ger 1 point

-4th in group they will go home

UC R1 who will qualify?

Sporting Braga Por Chievo Verona Ita 1 point(go home)

Vit�ria Set�bal Por Heerenveen Ned 1 point (go home)

Rapid Bucuresti Rom Nacional Funchal Por 1 point (go home)

Portugal will have 3 points and 1/6 teams left after this matches

Matches of romanian teams:

Dinamo Kiev Ukr Steaua Bucuresti Rom 4 points
Steaua Bucuresti Rom Olympique Lyon Fra 1 point
Steaua Bucuresti Rom Real Madrid Esp 1 point

3 th in group -they will go in UC

Xanthi FC Gre Dinamo Bucuresti Rom 3 points
Rapid Bucuresti Rom Nacional Funchal Por 3 points

Romania will have 4 points and 3 out of 3 teams (2 of them will scor some points in UC group stage)

Romania will have to score 2.3 more points to outscore Portugal.

From this moment i tell everyone that Portugal will be under Romania after this year.

Germany , Romania and Russia will be in a fight for 5th and 6th position.

Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2006, 16:54
Edited by: SHEV
at: 26-08-2006, 17:01

You need serious help. Someone call an ambulance.

edit:

Do you know that Steaua an outsider of their group and one of four CL outsiders along with Kobenhavn, Anderlecht and Levski? If not try to check here:

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=FB1383957

And here:

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=FB233229

In such position people usually hope for something not stating they will get it.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 26-08-2006, 16:57	very funny tell me your prediction and we will see who is right or wrong

Author: badgerboy
Date: 26-08-2006, 17:23

Doctor

It's nice to be confident.

But we all get it now. We all know what you think.

It's unnecessary (and irritating to some - though personally I couldn't care less as long as you don't abuse other forum users) if you simply keep repeating yourself. If you have something new and original to say, please say it.

Before the end of last season I did a purely mathematical estimate of positions after this year (based on average points scored in the past four seasons with figures adjusted to take account of the number of teams involved this year). Adjusted a bit to take account of what happened at the end of last year and variations in number of Intertoto teams the top 10 is now:

Spain 15.982 73.873
Italy 13.857 68.017
England 12.375 64.290
France 9.640 53.296
Germany 9.089 43.953
Portugal 6.917 41.583
Netherlands 6.678 37.843
Russia 7.375 36.875
Romania 7.208 36.040
Scotland 5.938 29.688

At this stage I'd suggest Scotland are overrated and Ukraine ought to be 10th at the end of the year . Places 6-9 I will wait and see...

For information next year it's 6 Russia, 7 Romania, 8 Netherlands, 9 Portugal, 10 Ukraine and the year after 6 Netherlands, 7 Romania, 8 Russia, 9 Ukraine, 10 Portugal.

I'll be interested to see how close to the truth this proves to be.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 26-08-2006, 18:05	{{Dinamo Kiev Ukr Steaua Bucuresti Rom 4 points >> Last defeat at home for Kiev is : Trabzonspor (2004) qR3, but Kiev won away and was qualified for the GS. The last defeat at home during the GS is : Juventus (2002/2003). So please, come explain why Steaua will beat Kiev 2 times.

Author: TITAN
Date: 26-08-2006, 18:29

If Steaua gets 3 or 4 points against Dinamo Kiev, it would be great! And also very difficult to do that.

I think Dinamo will not loose at home even to Lyon or Real Madrid. The match against Madrid will be played in December, on very low temperatures, and since that match is the last one and Madrid should already be qualified until then, they'll use some reserves. In the same context, Dinamo beat Madrid 2-0 2 years ago.

Five years ago, we drew 1-1 in Kiev and lost 4-2 in Bucharest, but now we are much stronger.

Author: STK
Date: 26-08-2006, 18:59

@Overgame, nobody have to explain nothing to you. This is what he belive, his prediction. After the games are over and let's say that the prediction didn't come out, he could came here and and admit his optimism.Ok?

I say that Steaua will win 5 of 6 game, meaning 15p from 18p maxim and win the group E, and i don't want to explain why. I say also that Real, Lyon and Kiev are weak teams, easy to beat and ******* on them. So what is the problem?

Author: doctor
Date: 26-08-2006, 19:18

@badgerboy we all saw the draws ,so i don`t see where i`m repeting. I predicted the matches that will come. Until now i didn`t know the matches so it`s imposible for to repet.
That Romania will be on 5th or on 6th it`s the subject of this topic so on this topic everyone can say as much as they want "Romania will be on 5th" or not. ANd bring new arguments.
Look a new argument that i bring: Romania is first in rankings with no team eliminated, good coeficients and real chanses for all teams to q in groups acording with the draws.If Rapid and Dinamo will q in groups Romania will have a coeficient of 5(Portugal about 2). They will have a least 2 teams eliminated.

In conclusion badgerboy i don`t see your predictions so exactly (error of 4-5 points) Yes u have a excuse you did only a mathematic operation. But in football mathematics doesn`t work.

And finally a question for u

How willPortugal score 4.5 points wih 3/6 teams, and Romania only 2 poins with 3/3 teams all seeded .Rapid pot 2-3 and Dinamo 3.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 26-08-2006, 19:23	i found the explanation every portugesse team must score 4 time then a romanian team .Chanses that to happen 0,37%.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 26-08-2006, 19:28

No problem at all STK - except that you come across as unnecessarily rude and arrogant.

Why not just write "I think Steaua will win the group with 15 points". People can reply "You are crazy" or "You must be smoking some good stuff" and if you are confident in your prediction you can just smile to yourself and wait. You don't need to enter a personal argument with each user. [And I would suggest to other users that there is no need to comment on such predictions - don't bother with long arguments now, make your own predictions if you want & then we will all wait & see> . Also, there is no need to add "Real Madrid, Lyon and Dynamo are ****" Such things just make you look stupid, and infantile. I didn't see anyone write: "Steaua are s**t" (except perhaps the odd Dinamo or Rapid fan when "domestic discussions" got out of hand :wink

. Steaua will get 0 points is not the same thing (that's a prediction just like yours).

Peace!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 26-08-2006, 19:51	I think modesty is one of the best strains. If someone predicts Steaua wining the group imagine what can predict Real fan with such impudence that romanians have. 25-0 every match. Would you consider that normal? And it's the same.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 26-08-2006, 20:19

Doctor

You're right I just put the maths (it's not my prediction). Like people who predict the rankings based on "seeded team winning" I'll just be interested in how close it works out. I also looked before only at position - not points. I agree that Portugal wont be so far ahead of Romania (if indeed they are ahead at all).

I still wont predict yet. Maybe once I've seen the CL teams play a few times and know the UEFA Cup groups. It's still too early in the season for even rash predictions.

But some possible projections (not predictions). For Romania - both teams in UEFA Cup qualify for the group stage with a win and a draw and get two wins (or a win and two draws in the groups). Steaua gets two wins (or a win & 2 draws) in the CL Group stage. That 18 more points - 6 ranking points (39.165). At the moment I'd consider that an average possibility. Steaua could play brilliant football and still end up with less points. Rapid and Dinamo aren't yet in the Group Stage and one might fail.

Portugal lose all their UEFA Cup teams with 2 wins and 1 draw. Their 3 CL teams score just 5 points each. 20/6=3.333. Total 39.749.

Most Portuguese would consider that an absolutely disastrous season but they would still be ahead of a Romania performing fairly well.

Holland have at least two - maybe 3 if Feyenoord improve - teams who could score a lot of UEFA Cup points. Heerenveen contributed points last year and maybe can again (though Setubal could upset them, thus boosting Portugal...). Groningen have chances too. And then there's PSV....

For Russia - CSKA and Lokomotiv can score well, Spartak can contribute a reasonable number and even Rubin Kazan have possibilities...

It will be close. It will be exciting. Isn't it a shame that 90% of football fans don't give two figs about coefficients and UEFA rankings and miss out on all this speculation...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 26-08-2006, 20:31	Underestimation of Portugal by Romanians is something new in european football Portugal is 3.300 ahead, have 3 teams in CL and every have better chaces then Steaua. Portugal have 3 teams in UEFA Cup and reasonable draw. If only Nacional will win Rapid it's over for Romania in one second. And even if not Portugal is 95% favourite to be ahead of Romania.

Author: STK
Date: 26-08-2006, 20:47
Edited by: STK
at: 26-08-2006, 20:57

So badgerboy, why dint't you make the same observation to SHEV: His words are not only arrogand, but simply insulting. How you could say about someone that is mentaly sick or about other one that is crap, because predict 2 wins about Dynamo Kiev. Let's not forget that Dynamo Kiev is vice-champions in a weaker championship than romanian regarding coefficients and also witha a lesser individual coeff, which are quoted only from time to time.

So this is happening anywhere in the world, when you say crap you are answered with crap. The fact that are some persons that wants to see only half of the light do not concern me.

Look again to SHEV, how he LIKES to generalise in every post, using the word Romanians, only to describe 2-3 opinions (insult i want to say). There are many Romanian there, eachone with different opinion. I saw just a ukrainean, SHEV, which i didn't like his post log before i've decided to post here. But i have the decency, to not make about generalisation about the ukainian people, because i dislike this individual.

Few days ago the same SHEV make a topic only to insult all turkish people, because of an article, who didn't want to present. People get offended for this kind of atitude and usualy react. I really think that some messure have to be taken about SHEV, messures that were taken before for lighter actions.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 26-08-2006, 21:29	@STK : you're acting like a spoiled child.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: marius Date: 26-08-2006, 21:59	Hello everybody !!! I started laughing when I read this topic . I am romanian and I would like to see Romania on 5th but that is impossible. 7th place is very very good.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: athos Date: 26-08-2006, 22:40	Steaua an outsider in the CL? Fair enough. But warning: in the near future people will have to get used with Steaua in the CL (or at least one romanian team). At least 2-3 years from now on. Really! This quite obvious. Just some mathematics and soefficients.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 26-08-2006, 23:05	Finally. We have a winner here. At least one reasonable person thinks that it's impossible for Romania to reach 6-th place. Thank you god for this gift.

Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2006, 23:22
Edited by: SHEV
at: 26-08-2006, 23:22

Look again to SHEV, how he LIKES to generalise in every post, using the word Romanians, only to describe 2-3 opinions (insult i want to say).
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You know this forum has 40-50 somehow active members. Five of them are big crap. All five are romanians. Coincidence?

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I saw just a ukrainean, SHEV, which i didn't like his post log before i've decided to post here. But i have the decency, to not make about generalisation about the ukainian people, because i dislike this individual.
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I didn't generalise on nation cause I really don't know what people in Romania except Mircea Lucescu who is really imbecilic one. And I never said all romanians on this forum are idiots. But most of them really close to that. We have about 10 romanians here. Only 3 I can call great, smart, interesting people - Giuseppe, lazio and perhaps marius(he did impress me with his first post).

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Few days ago the same SHEV make a topic only to insult all turkish people, because of an article, who didn't want to present.
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I didn't make it to insult turkish people. I did make it because of article which content proved that Fenerahce directors are bunch of cry babies. I can still give you link on tranlated article which refers to turkish paper "Sabah". And I asked if this article is true cause I'm not really good in turkish language. And when they said it's false I didn't insist.

Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2006, 23:38

Another thing I wanted to say for a very long time. One year ago it wasn't a single Romanian here and it was very interesting and informative forum where everybody discussed many exciting subjects, shared their HUMBLE opinions.

Now forum turned in god knows what. Idiotic topics about how soon world will agrees with Romanian europe football ruling and how Steaua will beat Real Madrid with one or two digit score.

Not a single romanian made an interesting research on coefficients. Only trash talking Steaua, Rapid, Dinamo, Dinamo, Rapid, Steaua. Go to forum 2 and discuss it as long as you want. People aren't interested in that crap. Go to romanian forums and share your thoughts there. But you keep talking here. Is it about coefficients? No. People are interested? No. Stop making stupid topics, writing stupid posts and just stop being stupid.

Why you're all appeared only after success? You know in England glory-hunters are most disrespected part of fans. Year ago you didn't care about it at all - why now there is so many of you? One or two bad seasons and we will see none of you here. And what would you left? Couple of topics about how great is Romania?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 27-08-2006, 00:04	One year ago i was in this forum.. So sory to disapoint you

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Crash1o6 Date: 27-08-2006, 00:10	Bert just delete this topic. It's going over the top. And shev mind your busines.. If someone has something to say is bert about what we should do or not. Mandru sa fiu roman Post 200 here.. last one( bert delete it alradyyyyyyyyyyy, such topic shouldn't be here)

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 00:15	Maybe you are so hurry because you know that you lied about 1 year on forum? I've checked. I'm sorry to dissapoint you but your first post was in january this year right after romanian success.

Author: 5UCLGSteams
Date: 27-08-2006, 00:28
Edited by: 5UCLGSteams
at: 27-08-2006, 00:32

@Shev: If this would have been Bert's opinion i might have wanted to go to sleep and not wake up too early....now as far as you started insulting in general all Romanian people here i've got to say it is either you do not generally like romanians, which is understandable and in this case you just have to ignore specific threads and accept that you can not just delete all of us from the forum...you feel one of us tipped others over the edge with some posts...you are free to report that to Bert...,either you cannot accept that each of us, you included, has things that
he cannot explain himself and others efforts might be useless too

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: sb Date: 27-08-2006, 00:43	@SHEV i hope i wasnt naive into believing that u actually checked. how did u check? i am curios..

Author: Pedro
Date: 27-08-2006, 01:19
Edited by: Pedro
at: 27-08-2006, 01:31

Freedom of speech above all. If some romanians want to be lunatic, let them be lunatic. Let them enjoy this moment. No one knows where will be Romania 2/3 years from now.
Let them have 4 or 6 teams on the european competitians and we will see the results. Just wait and see.
I was 3 weeks on vacation and I missed this thread.It is always so amusing.

By the way, all you Steua fans who were talking bad things about Carlos. The man saved your ass. If you are on the CLSG thank him.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Gerula Date: 27-08-2006, 02:49	Steaua might finish the group with 0 points or with 18. Nobody can say for sure what is going to be. The way we look at this is that this year is more to gain CL experience, to re-accommodate with the atmosphere of the big games. However, Steaua has potential and will try to do their best. We fear no one!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: zanzibar Date: 27-08-2006, 03:17	i think Romanian football will be 5th on monday

Author: doctor
Date: 27-08-2006, 08:57

I don't know what bothers people much Romania on 6th or the idea that Romania could have 3 teams in CL.

Someone said Portugal has 3 teams in CL
YES
2 with direct access and 1 with lucky draw.

But Portugal has 3 teams in UC for some years and this teams are doing nothing but dicreasing Portugal coeficient. It`s nothing bad.... but 6 teams are to much for them even if the have 3 teams in great form. They don`t play in intertoto...this would be another motive to deacrese their coeficient.

If you look at their performance u will say wow... but only 3 teams ,so i say place 9-15 is good for them and few years with 6 teams.Eastern countrys had increse their footbal and now we can see 2 of them (Romania and Russia) with chanses for 6 th place. I asure u that if this year nothing happends and we weill be on 9th like some people said (i don`t know who is the lunatic) ,next year we will be for sure in cards for 5-6 th position.

One of Romania and Russia will be on 6th !!!!!!!

The portugesse footbal has deacrese to much.(look at the coeficients) and nothing segnifiant happened at their teams.

A first fight will be betwen the 4 th team in thier championship and 4 th in our championship. Rapid-Nacional we will see from here a first impretion and some points will be added.

Author: executor
Date: 27-08-2006, 10:10

{i>Not a single romanian made an interesting research on coefficients{/i>

You're really stupid, you know that? Really, really stupid. You know want I would like? Direct your anger towards those who bother you, by nominating them and stop throwing everyone in the mix. Why is it so hard?

I never bragged about RO teams (especially Steaua

) and I did some research on coefficients. If you didn't read those threads it's not my problem. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: aetius Date: 27-08-2006, 10:16	this year no for sure... but next year maube...with few conditions: 1.the 4th team will score in uefa coef rank at the same of the big 3 ( steaua, rapid and dinamo ,all from bucharest). 2. country coef will be minimum 4,333 3. portugal, russia, germany and netherland will score maximum 6-6,5 points .

Author: aetius
Date: 27-08-2006, 10:55

this is L O R part II
the battle for 6th place is begun...
the orcs side: rapid ( the saruman army)...
the humans side :nacional funchal ( rohan army...)

and the ...
elfs ( germany teams )
sauron's army ( russian teams )

hey it's a stupid joke i know...
but i'm so bored for this european battle : eastern vs western .
if you don't know guys this forum is about football nothing else, no politcs , no economics matters.
the champions league song should be reunited us for joy and hapiness not for hate.

for doctor : romania not achieve this year the 5th spot. why? it's too many points between romania and germany.
for shev: please no bad react against too romanian exagerate optimism
for romanians: please relax. your country is in really progress -in the football way -but this is not excuse for you to subestimate or denigrate other country or team.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 11:12	@aetius 3 points are not much!

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 11:14	i hope i wasnt naive into believing that u actually checked. how did u check? i am curios.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try to use search by his nickname.

Author: SHEV
Date: 27-08-2006, 11:22

The portugesse footbal has deacrese to much.(look at the coeficients) and nothing segnifiant happened at their teams
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Oh let's don't start about who deserved that place because you will lose this time hard. Portugal wona Champions League not so long ago and had 2 Uefa Cup finals. What Romania did? Semifinal? That's really an achievement to be 6-th country.

Romania can be on the 6-th place next year, but don't become insolent - it's only because imperfection of UEFA ranking system.

Author: doctor
Date: 27-08-2006, 12:12

@SHEV if you want to speak about trophys netherland are over Portugal and France.
Portugal can`t play with 6 teams in Europe simple like that they are a country for 9-15 like Romania and Ukraine.I said that before in another topic.They are over ranked by the year when they won CL but this year will go and other countrys will take their place. Look at Germany and Netherland with 7-8 teams they will score doble of Portugal points.
Next year we will fight with France and then will come a drop on 9-15.
The champions of Romania will play against the champion of France and against the "almost champions" of Ukraine. Interesting games!
And we will se who the best are.Simple like that.

Author: Maluyaca
Date: 27-08-2006, 12:34
Edited by: Maluyaca
at: 27-08-2006, 12:39

I think the difference is that the sub-topteams in Holland are fixed and in Portugal not. So the sub-topteams in Holland have a better coefficient then the ones in Portugal not because they are a lot better but just because they participate more times then the portuguese.

I think it's nice to take off in the team-ranking the 2 highests teams of each country and to see which teams are then the highest.

Next quartal just a topic for position 3, position 6, position 8, position 9/10, position 15 & position 21. Because these are the positions that are important. Nobody cares if they end on position 5 because position 6 is the same.

For Romania I think they will be a good competition this year and next year upwards. After that they will start having 6 teams and the top teams in CL then is my opinion they will go down.

This year Romania top 8 and next year top 6 and after that is back down.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 12:37	The champions of Romania will play against the champion of France and against the "almost champions" of Ukraine. Interesting games! -------------------------------------------------------------------- If Steaua will be the last would you agree that Romania is weaker then Ukraine, France and others?

Author: iceblu
Date: 27-08-2006, 12:52
Edited by: iceblu
at: 27-08-2006, 12:55

@If Steaua will be the last would you agree that Romania is weaker then Ukraine, France and others?

It is already known that Spain and France are better then Romania and Romania is better then Ukraine, where is the last time when Ukraine had a team in a semifinal of a European Cup? despite the huge amount of dirty money frim Kiev and Donetsk there aren't any achievments.

and By the way, last year the Champion of Ukraine was beatten by the third placed in Romania ..in Donetsk

Shackhtar Donetsk - Rapid Bucharest 0-1

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 12:52	i will agree that the champions in my country are weeker then the champions of this 2 countrys. If rapid will be betten by Nacional i will agree that we don`t deserve more then 4 teams in Europe. If Xanthi will beet Dinamo i will say same thing. France was better then Romania last year Cluj-Lens. Ukraine was weeker then Romania last year Sahtior-Rapid 0-1 Dinamo Buckarest - Dinamo Kyev 0-0

Author: STK
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:00

Yes SHEV. You got a point only if your outcome is corect. Let's wait and see how scary Dynamo Kiev it is. And i also will follow, Sahtior evolution, who had really weak european evolutions so far until now. You may keep your arsenal of insults untill then.

There are many romanians here that came recently because Romania had a good coefficient last year and Bert's site was popularised in romanian sport media. To my first posts here there was fewer romanias, but your insulting post against Romania came into my eyes even then.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:04	Manchester finished last in group last year ,Benfica on 1st .So Portugese footbal is far more beter then in England.This isn`t so relevant. The best country is first in rankings in my opinion,these are the rankings for. Romania is better then Ukraine in this moment and weeker then Portugal ,but we will se after this year what will happen.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:08	Sahtior evolution, who had really weak european evolutions so far until now. You may keep your arsenal of insults untill then --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shahtar european evolution so far is much better then Steaua.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Giuseppe Date: 27-08-2006, 13:10	We'll have to wait and see about that Shakhtar thing

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:10	The best country is first in rankings in my opinion,these are the rankings for. Romania is better then Ukraine in this moment and weeker then Portugal ,but we will se after this year what will happen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but Romanian ranking for this year is 25-th. This means you are worse then Denmark, Croatia and Norway.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:10	could you tell me theyr performance in history and in last 5 years because i didn`t heard of them?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:11	yes of course...you can see by the coefficients of the two teams Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 33.777 Steaua Bucuresti Rom 46.381

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:12

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:12	Giueseppe we don't need to wait for Shakhtar thing - it's third Shakhtar CL participation in a couple of years while Steaua will expirience their first. So it's out of question.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:15	UEFA Cup isn't a tournament you can make conclusions at all for any person that know at least something about european football.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:15	their first? you make me lough, Steaua is for the fourth time in CL group stage.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:16	Last 3 years Sahtior 3 CL presense -best result 3 in group(once) Steaua 1 Cl presense. 1/4 final of Uefa better then 3 in group of CL(3 th team goes in 1/16). 1/2 final of Uefa far more better then a CL presense without any result.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:16	Doctor, what point you find funny? If you like rankings so much you should know that in eyes of UEFA romanian footbal is 25-th in Europe this year. Try to argue.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:18	their first? you make me lough, Steaua is for the fourth time in CL group stage. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok. Then I can count Dynamo Champions League semifinal and quaterfinal?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:19	no argue ,u are right but next year we will be in UEFA eyes on 10 th and the year after on 6th.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:19	Then I count Steaua's Champions Trophy and Finalists =)))

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:20	@SHEV in history i think that Romania is better then Ukraine so i propose not to go so deep

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:21	Sahtior 3 CL presense -best result 3 in group(once) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, but your knowledge on this question is idiotic. Shakhtar had 3-rd place two times out of two. We'll see how Steaua will going to get 3-rd place.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:23	no argue ,u are right but next year we will be in UEFA eyes on 10 th and the year after on 6th --------------------------------------------------------------------- Next year will start in July 2007. Until that Romanian football is weaker then Danish.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:24	3rd place in a group is not a performanse ,it`s a normal participation 4th is bad and 1 and 2 si good.Yes we will see but semifinals of UC sure are better then 3 rd in a group.(not money speaking)

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:26	You have found a mistake in UEFA rankings or u belive wath u said?

Author: SHEV
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:28

Then I count Steaua's Champions Trophy and Finalists =)))
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in history i think that Romania is better then Ukraine so i propose not to go so deep
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I would say again. Dynamo is 7-th team in Champions Cup whole time table. Right after MU, Barca, Juve, Bayern, Liverpool and Milan.

Dynamo participated in 6 quaterfinals, 3 semifinals, won 2 Cup Winner Cups, 1 Super Cup.

You can't even be close with 1 win and 1 final to all influence that Dynamo had on european foottball history.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:30	You have found a mistake in UEFA rankings or u belive wath u said? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Or you believe that Romanian football is nearly as good as ukrainian or belgian or russian or scotish or greek or turkish? YOu should stop drinking that much.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:30	now strat to count all semifinals and quarterfinals fo romanian teams Steaua,Dinamo,Rapid,U Craiova

Author: SHEV
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:32

3rd place in a group is not a performanse ,it`s a normal participation 4th is bad and 1 and 2 si good.Yes we will see but semifinals of UC sure are better then 3 rd in a group.(not money speaking)
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With such cofidence I can say that teams that was kicked out CL First Qualification Round are better then UEFA Cup winner. Try to prove I'm wrong?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:33	Belgium yes(Standard this year) Turkish yes(Besiktas 2 years ago) Greek yes(Xanti this year) Scotish yes(to many participation and to few performance) Ukraine yes (Sahtior and Dynamo kyev last year) Portugal yes(Nacional this year)

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:35	Sevilia-Barcelona 3-0

Author: Overgame
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:38
Edited by: Overgame
at: 27-08-2006, 13:38

"I asure u that if this year nothing happends and we weill be on 9th like some people said (i don`t know who is the lunatic)"

I've said 'Romania 9th this year'. Why ? Portugal-Romania : 36.416-32.165=3.251. Not 'much', but the 3 CL teams can score a lot of points. Portugal will score probably something between 5-7 points. Total : 39.666-41.666. To beat them, Romania needs 8.251-10.251 more points, for a total of : 12.584-14.584.

I know that Romania has scored +16 points last year, but don't expect to see that every year, especialy when you have only 3 teams.

There is a chance to see Romania 6th, but that's for from sure.

Now Netherlands. Let's imagine a score of 10 for Romania. Netherlands needs a score of +7.666 to beat them, nothing impossible.

Russia : same score than Romania and that's ok.

Germany : if Germany scores 9 points, Romania needs more than 15 points ...

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:39	Count yourself. If you add other teams then I can add Soviet Union teams.

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:39

One thing is sure: this discussion is as useless as it is stupid.
Shev, from the way you react to these Romanian threads its quite obvious to me that you're no better than the user you accuse... sorry, mate!
And unfortunatelly this goes true for quite a few other posters that I won't name here and that don't come from Romania.
One thing you said that bothered me was that there was no good contribution ever made by Romanian posters. That not true... there are quite a few contributions if you would care to look for them. Of course they're not on the level of the contributions made by let's say badgerboy or Ricardo, but that doesn't mean they're inexistent. I won't even begin to speak about the time I've invested into the new UEFA wiki (I know Romanian football isn't a hot topic, but at least there is a bit of data about it in the Wiki).
You said that a year ago there were no Romanian posters. Well that again is not true. I know about one poster that was here a year ago: Edgar (maybe there are others, but his name springs to my mind).
And finally its true that the deteriorating atmosphere on this forum is partly to blame on some Romanian users, but If I would want to (which I don't) I could name quite a few others that I feel have contributed to this problem. And from what I know this isn't the first time when the atmosphere deteriorates. When I joined this forum about a year ago there was some sort of Turkish-Greek forum war that went on for quite a while. Attacks on users and their countries aren't the strict privilege of Romanian users.

Author: iceblu
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:40
Edited by: iceblu
at: 27-08-2006, 13:42

@I would say again. Dynamo is 7-th team in Champions Cup whole time table. Right after MU, Barca, Juve, Bayern, Liverpool and Milan.

Dynamo participated in 6 quaterfinals, 3 semifinals, won 2 Cup Winner Cups, 1 Super Cup.

You can't even be close with 1 win and 1 final to all influence that Dynamo had on european foottball history.

Steaua's performances:

Champions' Cup: 1985-86
Finalist Champions'Cup: 1988-89
Semi-Finals Champions'Cup: 1987-88
Semi-Finals UEFA Cup: 2005-06
European Super-Cup: 1987
Finalist Intercontinental Cup: 1986

not counting the quarter finals,

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 27-08-2006, 13:40	Steaua is better than Standard, but i'm not sure about Anderlecht or Brugge :p

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:41	Belgium yes(Standard this year) Turkish yes(Besiktas 2 years ago) Greek yes(Xanti this year) Scotish yes(to many participation and to few performance) Ukraine yes (Sahtior and Dynamo kyev last year) Portugal yes(Nacional this year) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is best analysis I ever saw Go find some brains mate cause you lost it long ago.

Author: doctor
Date: 27-08-2006, 13:44

@Overgame
1 . Romania played some q rounds and Portugal played nothing.
U are used to compare coeficients of 2 countrys that where one near other but this 2 countrys were 6th and 26 th so start counting q rounds because ROmanian teams passed them.
2 . Try to start comparing now the coeficients because now all teams from all countrys will start playng.
3 . the distance betwen this 2 countrys is 3.3 points and they start to play now.
4 . if Portugal will score 4 points Romania will need 7.3
5 Portugal has 6 teams and real chanses to remain with only 3
6 Romania has big chanses to have 3 /3 teams

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:48	not counting the quarter finals, --------------------------------------------------------------------- Which was once UEFA Super Cup 1974/1975 Champions Cup Semi Final 1976/1977, 1986/1987, 1998/1999 Champions Cup Quater Final 1972/1973, 1975/1976, 1981/1982, 1982/1983, 1991/1992, 1997/1998 Cup Winner Cups winner 1974/1975, 1985/1986 Cup Winner Cup Quater Final 1965/1966, 1990/1991

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:49	Man with Portugal we can't compare, I'm objective ..the facts say we are better then Ukraine and weaker then Portugal, let's not forget the historic performances Portugal had with Porto, Benfica..

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:52	quarter finals in 70 isn`t a performance u can see that by the number of clubs participating stick to the semifinals! Steaua is better.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:53	Iceblue, by your facts ROMANIA IS BETTER THEN FRANCE. Do you still think your facts are right?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:53	@ SHEV my boy, the quarters don't count I ever searched and in statistics the quarters are not shown... but let's agree that both Steaua and Dinamo Kiev had great History and are two of the biggest clubs in Eastern Europe...we will see wich one is better when the group stage is over .ok?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:54	quarter finals in 70 isn`t a performance u can see that by the number of clubs participating stick to the semifinals! Steaua is better. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Who said I should stick to semifinals not quaterfinals? re you complete idiot?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:54	i`m speaking about history but this history isn`t so relevant at this moment. Portugal si better then Romania in history but at this moment we will see after this year,i`m very confident that we wil outscore them ,i`m afraid only from Russia.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 13:55	@Iceblue, by your facts ROMANIA IS BETTER THEN FRANCE. Do you still think your facts are right? I said earlyer that France and Spain are better then Romania

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:56 Edited by: SHEV at: 27-08-2006, 13:56	the quarters don't count I ever searched and in statistics the quarters are not shown... but let's agree that both Steaua and Dinamo Kiev had great History and are two of the biggest clubs in Eastern Europe...we will see wich one is better when the group stage is over .ok? --------------------------------------------------------------------- I said this from the start.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 13:58	I said earlyer that France and Spain are better then Romania --------------------------------------------------------------------- NO. You are lost a bit. By your history facts Romania is better then Ukraine and worse then Portugal. But by these facts France is weaker then Romania. Answer.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 13:59	That`s why i asked u not to speak to much of history ,the history is nice but it doen`t bring arguments. So Portugal was better then Romania. After this year we will see who`s better. Ukraine was better then Romania but NOT anymore sry shev.At this moment there is a big gap between this 2 countrys.

Author: doctor
Date: 27-08-2006, 14:10

I`ve made a chart of Romania Ukraine and Portugal rankings.(1989-2009 after the revolution)

Best positon of ROmania 8 1989 9 1990 10 1992 and 1993
Ukraine 12 2000
Portugal 5th-10th from 1989-2006

Ukraine outscored Romania when Romania had their biggest clapse in history due to the revolutions and lack of money

Closest battle betwen Portugal and Romania 1989
Portugal 7th Romania 8th.

This year we can do a historical performance and go to 6th positin. Ukraine never did this so i`m sorry for them. Portugal was better then Romania in all history but this could change.

Author: iceblu
Date: 27-08-2006, 14:16
Edited by: iceblu
at: 27-08-2006, 14:18

@Ukraine was better then Romania but NOT anymore sry shev.At this moment there is a big gap between this 2 countrys.

I have to disagree with you, I said i'll be objective.. between Romania and Ukraine is a slight difference that can be anytime overcamed...and let's not argue anymore with Shev .

Doctor don't be so malitious anymore, I'm sure that Shev will regret what he said about all romanians,I agree with him that some are to optimistic and we should let the results speak,(maybe they are little kids) but as he can see there are also objective romanians.

A little message for Doctor
Doctor te rog frumos inceteaza sa spui ca suntem cei mai buni ca suntem cei mai frumosi etc..nu faci decat sa atragi antipatii asupra romanilor, incearca sa fi mai obiectiv si lasa rezultatele sa vorbeasca...ok?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: SHEV Date: 27-08-2006, 14:21	Ukraine outscored Romania when Romania had their biggest clapse in history due to the revolutions and lack of money --------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll give you another try to think again

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 14:23	chiar sunt obiectiv si cred ca putem sa`i luam pe portughezi. Nu o sa o mai supn daca va deranjeaza asa de mult.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: iceblu Date: 27-08-2006, 14:27 Edited by: iceblu at: 27-08-2006, 14:28	@Doctor, si eu cred ca suntem mai buni decat ei dar nu poti sa-i obligi si pe ei sa creada asta, iar daca tot le zici asta ii enervezi si ii faci sa ne urasca, asa ca singura solutie e sa lasam rezultatele sa vorbeasca..sa vezi daca vom face o figura frumoasa anu asta ca n-or sa mai aiba argumente toata lumea ii uraste pe cei trufasi si ii apreciaza pe cei modesti..nu crezi?

Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-08-2006, 14:29

Nobody expected a year ago at this stage that Romania would do so good as they did. SO we can never predict very well how it will end this year. Let's wait a couple of months(/matches) and then re-start the discussion( I hope in a new topic (on Forum2), cause this one is getting terribly long)
I also wish to react on a sentence, I don't rmemeber by whom, about Romania nxt year attacking France position.

Have you had a good look at France draw?
Lyon with Madrid, Kiew and Steaua -no comment
Bordeaux with Liverpool, PSV, Galatasaray - good chance of getting points and become 3rd (at least)
Lille with Milan, AEK and Anderlecht - very good chance in scoring points and getting 2nd or 3rd
PSG - Derry City
Lens - Ethnikos Achnas
Marseille - M. Boleslav
Auxerre - Dinamo Zagreb
Nancy - Schalke

This is definitely a good draw
And Germany?
Munchen with Inter, Sporting and Spartak Moskou as good as certain top2
Bremen with Chelsea, Barca and Levski - the last team should make the 3rd spot possible
Hamburg with Arsenal, Benfica and CSKA Moskou is like a copy of Bayerns draw - but HSV is not Bayern 3rd spot
Hertha BSC- Odense
Frankfurt - Brondby
Leverkusen - Sion
Schalke - Nancy
If Germany loses a team it will be a surprise to me!! I'm afraid top-5 is closed this year

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: doctor Date: 27-08-2006, 14:32	gata am terminat I can`t wait anymore for the matches i want to see the real value of Portugese teams and the value of romanian teams and some results.

Author: TITAN
Date: 27-08-2006, 14:32

Let's all relax and wait for the big clash Dynamo - Steaua, then we'll know more. It's not that important for the neutral members of this forum this Ukraine vs Romania comparison.

However, Shakhtar (the Ukrainian champions) met Dinamo and Rapid last seasons and lost 3 matches out of 3.

To Doctor, a peace call

:

Nu-l lasa bre pe papagalu' ala ucrainian sa ne arda. Continua pe linia asta, esti tare de tot ba nene, tare de tot.

Author: marius
Date: 27-08-2006, 15:06

ok let's end this dispute.

I have 2 reasons why is bad for Romania to be on 5th place (or 6th)

1) the coefficient will decrease very much (divided by 6 teams) because aside from steaua, rapid or dinamo we don't have other teams who can score in european cups ( maybe CFR Cluj; last year they played intertoto final; has anyone heard something about this team ?

)

2) 3 out of 4 teams that would go in UEFA cup I think they'll lose at catastrophical scores (remember Celta Vigo - FC Arges 7-0

). It will be embarassing from my point of view

The only good thing about being on 5th is that 2 teams go directly in CL groups and those teams will get a lot of money (aprox 4 mil euros) which in a romanian team's budget means a lot.

I think a good place for Romania is 9th (one team goes directly in CL groups and the coefficient divides by 4)

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: TITAN Date: 27-08-2006, 15:19	Yes, 9 is a well balanced position for Romania.

Author: STK
Date: 27-08-2006, 19:28

I'm dissapointed that Bert let SHEV to behave in this way. And it is not first time; he periodically take a solo war against romanians, or other nations, on both forums. The user pedro is from the same category. There is a high probability like these guys to access internet from an hospital or another similar institution with high security degree.

My guess is that SHEV is used like some kind of troll to provoke scandals and romanians to be banned. I think that this is one of my last post there, this time for good, and i will check if juridicaly speaking this kind of insults are allowed on an international forum, and if international laws aplies to this.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Overgame Date: 27-08-2006, 20:14	STK : you are very boring. Stop acting like a child and use your brain. You don't like SHEV ? That's your problem, not bert's one or not our problem. The forum could be nice if the topics were talking about coef and football in general, and not Romania.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: Osirius Date: 28-08-2006, 07:55	Here is so much talk about Romania and it's super performance last year but why Romania didn't have a team in Champions League performance?

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: panda Date: 28-08-2006, 13:04	To be honest, sometimes I feel that the amount of time we spend on this forum means we should ALL be in a mental hospital or similar institution.....

Author: SHEV
Date: 28-08-2006, 13:23

STK, considering things you and your friends writing here I would presume that such big number of sick romanians in one place can be easily explained. Probably you are all from the same ward in one of local clinics for people with terminal mental deseases and this forum is rather popular between patients.

And there is new forum user from your clinic - xicstrim is just proving that your institution is really hardly accesable for surrounding world asking why Romania wasn't choosed as EURO host. I wonder if he asking about EURO-2000.

Author: vrem_locul5
Date: 28-08-2006, 22:46

Portugal- Sporting Braga - Chievo Verona
Vit�ria Set�bal - Heerenveen
Rapid Bucuresti - Nacional Funchal

Do you think this 3 clubs have easy games??? - i don't think soo!!!
Oooooo , I forget to remaind you about the other 3 portughes clubs:
SPORTING will play BAYERN and INTER , Benfica will play CELTIC and MANCHESTER and PORTO will play ARSENAL and HAMBURG.

I dont think that this 6 portughes thems have easy matches!!!!!

instead DINAMO plays XANTHI and
RAPID BUCHAREST play NACIONAL(PORTUGHES club)
i thik also steaua can go for plays 3 in her E group in the
Champions League an go in the uefa cup to get some necesary points
to bet the Germany oponnent that has 7 cubs this year and a lot off
hard games

On example is WERDER BREMEN how is going to play
CHELSEA and BARCELONA !!!!

Not easy!!!!!!!

So in conclusion I think Romania has a good oportunity to get the 5th
plays but I also think that will be the top fore ROMANIAN soccer!!!

Good luck for all the other countries!!!

for romanian suporters: ce pula mea vor fraierii astia ma ca
avem sanse ,ca nu avem sanse si cine pula mea bert kassies ala?
oricum iar se clifica dinamo si rapid si iar mii bate :
Dinamo pa vreun PSG si Rapid pa vreun schalke 04 ,chiar o sa deschid un topic cu ce echipe credeti ca o sa cada cele doua ???
(dinamo si rapid)>
Hai STEAUA!Hai DINAMO!Hai RAPID! Hai NOROC!!!PA!

Author: Overgame
Date: 29-08-2006, 01:37

Let's imagine this :

Steaua : 6 points in CLGS, 3 points in UCR2, 3 points in UCR3, 3 points in UC 1/4, 3 points in UC 1/2, 2 points for the final and 3 bonus points. Total : 23 points.

Rapid : 3 points in UCR1, 4 points in UCGS, 3 points in UCR2, 3 points in UCR3, 3 points in UC 1/4, 3 points in UC 1/2 and 3 bonus points. Total : 21 points.

Dynamo : 3 points in UCR1, 4 points in UCGS, 3 points in UCR2, 3 points in UCR3, 3 points in UC 1/4, 1 points in UC 1/2 and 2 bonus points. Total : 19 points.

Actually, Romania has 6.5+3.5+3=13 points.

Total : 76 points. Coef for Romania : 76/3=25.333 !!
Total at the end of the season : 54,165 : Romania 4th !!!

Now, i'm sure !! Romania will be 4th at the end of the Season !!! And 1st within 2 years !!!!

Now, let's be serious. Germany will score something like 10 points. 8 points would be a bad season for Germany, with 3 teams in CLGS and 4 in UCR1. When Germany scored less than 5 points, there were no GS in UC, Dortmund was not in CLGS (only 2 teams in CLGS) and the bonus for reaching GS was only 1 point.

Let's imagine a bad year (like this one) :

They already have 11.5 points (qRounds). 2003/2004, they've started with 3 points. This year : 3 teams in CL and 4 in UCR1, 2003/2004 : 2 teams in CL 5 in UCR1. 2003/2004, the 2 teams in CL were in the CLR2 and 2 in UCR2. Let's take a similar case for this year. That means :
3 teams in CL, 2 will qualify for CLR2. 4 teams in UCR1, 2 will qualify for GS. Number of matches remaining : 6*3 for CLGS+4 for CLR2+8 for UCR1+8 for UCGS. Total : 18+4+8+8=38 matches.

2003/2004 : 30 matches, for a score of 33 points (average : 1.1 points per match) ===> 38 matches : 38*1.1=41.8, let's say 42 points.

Total : 42+11.5=53.5. Coef for Germany, if they get a very bad season (2003/2004) : 7.642 !!! For a 'bad' season

Far of the 4.714

The GS in UC and the bonus for reaching CLGS helps a lot when multiple teams are qualified.

5th place is almost impossible to reach. You need a bad sezson for Germany. For the 6th place, Portugal is hard to predict. If 1 team reach UCGS, even the 6th place is almost unreachable for Romania (at least 28 matches remaining and 4 teams in GS, having good chances to qualify for R2 (CL or UC), that means a coef of +/- 8, asking +/-14 points for Romania).
7th place : Russia vs Romania. Good chance to see 3 russian teams in GS. I expect a new 10 points. Romania needs to score +/-11 points to beat Russia. Close fight.
8th place : well, hard to predict. If 2 teams are doing a good run like PSV or AZ did, they could score 12 points and secure the 8th place. If they don't, and do a run the last one, Romania could be easily 8th.

Romania should end the season within 7th-9th spot. Russia and Netherlands are the keys.

Re: Romania on 5th after this year?
Author: thrasher Date: 29-08-2006, 04:52	Yep, it will be Romania / Holland / Russia! It will be very hard for Holland to reconquer the 8th spot. But we will do our best!!

Author: Lupta_Steaua
Date: 31-08-2006, 03:43
Edited by: Lupta_Steaua
at: 31-08-2006, 03:56

I was not really sure were I should answer to SHEV's insults, but finally I chose this topic.

SHEV, you probably already know that I am from Moldova, and unfortunatelly I had to live through the Soviet propaganda.

I used to be a big fan of Dynamo Kiev, in Blohin's time. And that was because it was not Moscow winning. I continued chearing for them afterwards, but the way you talk about Romanians simply makes me sick. And we don't want to have political discussions here, do we?

It is completely normal to wish that your favorite team wins. I pray for Steaua now. I hope they win. The coeficient stuff is already tiring me. I want as many games with Romanian participation as possible. This is linked to the position in the UEFA Country ranking, but I don't care. I kn ow we will have 4 teams next year.

As for CL, you want something, I want an other thing. Predictions - I don't really see how are they important. We both know, the fight is going to be very tight, so lets wait.