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Author: jesko
Date: 28-06-2006, 00:17
| Who is the biggest canditate of referee to final. I think, Lubos Michel from Slovakia is currently the best. |
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Author: SHEV
Date: 28-06-2006, 00:18
| Rosetti or Archundia. |
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Author: Pelotas
Date: 28-06-2006, 00:53
Edited by: Pelotas
at: 28-06-2006, 00:56 | I believe Markus Merk is also quite good, however being from Germany will probably not help his chances unless Germany loses soon. Referee Frank De Bleeckere has led a few good matches so far and I believe his nationality could be an advantage too. Both referees have gained the confidence of the FIFA as they have both already been assigned a second round match.
Have alook at the betting odds also. |
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Author: Integral
Date: 28-06-2006, 09:07
| Elizondo or Larionda |
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Author: jesko
Date: 28-06-2006, 10:31
| Merk???? One of the worst european referees together with Pool and Ivanov. |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-06-2006, 13:47
| I'd say Merk might well get it if Germany aren't in the final with Lubos Michel having a fair chance otherwise.
Archundia might be my personal favourite as he likes to keep his cards in his pocket - 11 yellows in 4 games with only one of these turning into a red.
But an outside bet might be Oscar Ruiz of Colombia unless there is some personal reason he only refereed one match at this tournament so far. I don't remember Holland - Cote D'Ivoire being strewn with refereeing controversy whereas the only other referee to get only one game (Abdel Fatah from Egypt) was Japan-Australia, so I can see why he might have been bumped.
Oscar Ruiz also has past World Cup experience, refereeing 3 matches at the last World Cup including the Senegal-Turkey quarter-final. OK - if he doesn't get another game I guess that means FIFA deemed his error in not awarding Eboue a penalty serious enough... |
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Author: Integral
Date: 28-06-2006, 14:06
| 2 jesko
Absolutely worst european referee is Lucilio Cortes Batista.
These three referees aren't so bad in comparison with him. |
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Author: Steaua1
Date: 28-06-2006, 14:29
| Lubos Michel is the worst referee , i puke on him is the most stupid man on the earth |
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Author: jesko
Date: 28-06-2006, 16:01
| Ohh, I forgot.M.de Santis is one of the worest. I hope Michel will be in the final. Standart achievements, whitout scandales, experience from Champions League, UEFA /final/, Euro and WCH 2002. And he is Slovak. In the best age... |
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Author: tunnocks
Date: 28-06-2006, 16:41
| Jesko,
Lubos Michel's performance in the Mexico V Portugal game was scandelous - a penalty that never was, and a red card for a dive that wasn't. I am scratching my head to think of a good performance. |
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Author: Pelotas
Date: 28-06-2006, 20:16
| The Fifa has just announced the 14 referees that are able to leave since they will not be called upon anymore during this tournament. I have not found an official source yet, but the BBC said that amongst the leaving referees there are Graham Poll (3 times yellow for same player) and Valentin Ivanov (Portugal-Holland cardfest). From the Belgian tv I've heard that Frank De Bleeckere is one of the referee's still active and that he has to whistle Italy-Ukraine. |
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Author: conscious
Date: 28-06-2006, 20:21
| Don't know whether he's a favourte, but I'd like to see Rodriguez referee the final. |
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Author: apw
Date: 28-06-2006, 22:19
Edited by: apw
at: 28-06-2006, 22:21 | The BBC have published this list :
Referees for World Cup quarter-finals:
Germany v Argentina (Lubos Michel, Slovakia)
Italy v Ukraine (Frank de Bleeckere, Belgium)
England v Portugal (Horacio Elizondo, Argentina)
Brazil v France (Luis Medina Cantalejo, Spain)
Other retained referees:
Toru Kamikawa (Japan), Coffi Codjia (Benin), Benito Archundia (Mexico), Jorge Larrionda (Uruguay), Mark Shield (Australia), Massimo Busacca (Switzerland), Markus Merk (Germany), Roberto Rosetti (Italy).
Interesting to see Kamikawa, Codjia & Shiels retained, with all due respects what experience would these guys have at the very highest level ?
I think Larrionda stands a good chance of getting the final |
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Author: cska
Date: 28-06-2006, 23:06
| Hallo, all posters here,
First, I would note that the ref, who will be the last to be on the pitch at this WC, depends on one very important fact - which teams will make it to the final. And also, are there matches that can be given to a ref, but not to another ref. For example, Marcus Merk cannot whistle on a match, whose winner will meet Germany in the next round.
Another fact is that Lubos Michel has never been extremely outstanding as a ref, but his uncle is among the top officials in UEFA. This explains why UEFA continues to give him important matches (as now FIFA does) despite his sometimes erroneous performances.
If Brazil or Argentina reach the final, I would not bet on a South American ref. If Italy reaches the semis, Rosetti will be probably given one of the final two matches (the one in which Italy will not play).
At the moment, there are too many "if"-s. So, it's pretty early to forecast. But FIFA will not retain so many refs, if they will only watch the games on TV. So, QF's will probably be the last matches for their refs. The others, who stayed, but were not given matches, will have to whistle on semis, 3rd place play-off and the final. |
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Author: apw
Date: 29-06-2006, 00:27
| That is why Larrionda must be one of the Favourites - Only Argentina may not want him , but if it were a Argentina - Brazil who better than a man from whose country is sandwiched by the finalists - at 15/1 it is good odds |
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Author: Pelotas
Date: 29-06-2006, 12:54
| Just as my eyebrows were raised when seeing the names of Kamikawa and Codjia I've noticed some other think the same. However I've found sources that mention that the fourth-refs for the quarterfinals will be: Codjia, Kamikawa, Busacca and Shield.
This leaves Archundia (MEX), Larrionda (URU), Merk (GER) and Rosetti (ITA) for the four remaining matches. However, as pointed out earlier in this thread too, Merk and Rosetti could be left out if Germany and Italy keep progressing. I also believe that Rosetti has been quite good so far and will be getting the final or third place match, whichever is not featuring Italy. (Ofcourse, if Ukraine surprises again by beating Italy, then Rosetti's chances of getting the final will be bigger). |
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Author: drvasko98
Date: 29-06-2006, 13:18
Edited by: drvasko98
at: 29-06-2006, 13:28 | Jorge Larionda from Uruguay was referee in match Italy - USA and he was impressive in very nervous match - 3 red cards are 100%, I prefer him for final. And UEFA CL refers (Ivanov, Pol, Spanishman(it is creme to give such penalty in 93' Italy Australia), Michel(he support Brasil in all match ag Ghana) are very weak - they can't referee match from D division or maybe they made all their mistakes under pressure of own bosses. It will be courious if Italian refer be in final. This will mind ,,We support coruption''. |
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Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-06-2006, 13:20
| Yes I guess it's partly "political" to retain at least one referee from each continental association. I suppose being fourth officials at key matches is also seen to increase international experience.
I did wonder if in the event of a Europe v S. America final FIFA might call for one of the referees from an "independent" region but Collina refereed the 2002 final so I guess that isn't necessarily a factor.
Looking at the list of retained refs. a few comments. First, I find it odd that England v Portugal is being refereed by an Argentinian. I know that Argentina can't play the winners until the final but bookings picked up in the match could ultimately end up contributing to a suspension. There have been a few similar instances earlier in the tournament too which I thought were unnecessary. Why not Larrionda, Archundia or Busacca - all of whom are "neutral"?
Second - I still think Merk will get the final if Germany doesn't. I assume referees are assumed not to be bitter against teams that have just knocked their countries out though otherwise he may need Germany to lose in the quarters to get another game? |
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Author: MalcolmW
Date: 01-07-2006, 13:29
| The situation with te expected appointments for retained referees highlights an important point. While it is necessary for FIFA to develop 'thirld world' areas (which in football terms must include USA, notwithstanding their ranking), and giving experience to their referees is a part of that, the fourth official for major matches should be of similar standard and experience as the referee. Firstly, there is the possibility of injury to the referee causing them to exchange roles. It happens. Secondly, the referee needs support in the off pitch activity during the match. This is more than simply ensuring that coaches and their aides respect rules applying to them.
I may be wrong about the match, but I think it was Poll in that Croatia-Australia game, who had to briefly halt proceedings because the fourth official was allowing subs to warm up in the 'wrong' area - they are restricted to behind the touchline patrolled by the assistant ref on that side of the pitch. tWaddle's comment on Radio 5Live indicated he was unaware of this convention. The problem was that the fourth official was unaware too, and he was the one who most of all should have spotted the booking issue when it arose and brought it to Poll's attention.
For FIFA to appoint inferior standard referees to fourth official posts for the games at the sharp end would suggest that Blather is no better than tWaddle, which is scary. |
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Author: apw
Date: 01-07-2006, 15:04
| This guy might be meet Blatter's approval :
After all he was a great admirer of Anders Frisk
http://www.funny-city.com/videos/gay_referee.shtml |
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