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Author: joaol
Date: 27-06-2006, 00:34
| Well..i haven??t read all the posts of the that Graham Poll topic..and i?m portuguese :S...but this is my opinion of the match...
MAybe this is the theory of conspiration...but as you see holland had 2 yellow cards in the 5th minute, both with fouls on Ronaldo, one of them so violent that kicked out of the game,they weren?t dangerous plays , he was on half-court,don?t get me wrong dutch people and I love your football teams and I enjoy your national team, but for me this was a Van Basten tactic, "kill the kid, and we will win the game"what do you think of this? too unrealistic? I would like to know BERT`S opinion, sincere opinion...
The rest of the match well, costinha was banned correctly, astupid irreflected play but nice yellow card and red card...the second half?? a battlefield...what the f... was that...ok ,figo soulhdn?t have done what he didi and he as the enough experience to be calm in a situation like that...but like Scolari said..he?s not jesus christ, i agree with a yellow card there, for both of them(both second yellow) card)...Yellow cards after yellow cards we made 10 fouls and seen 11 cards,(including the 2 red?s)...the first yellow card for deco is fair ..bur common where is the dutch fair play??? twice the ball was ours and you continue playing, you had to return as the ball for two times and you never did...In a confusion in portuguese middlefield Petit was thrown to the floor and nobody as seen a yellow card???...deco?s second yellow card?? what is that he has secured the ball for 2 seconds he wanted to give the ball back and he thrown to the floor...if he sees the yellow card the dutch guy should see the red one, directly, do you really think deco lost as many time as that in that play??...well i think the referee made many mistakes in this game, he favoured a little bit holland, and I was very sad with holland?s lack of fair play...this is only opinion...and don?t want cnflicts, this is only my opinion ...i would like you to comment yours based in my post and correcting me or giving your opinions in other facts...thanks!!
Bert don?t forget to write |
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Author: Addy_G
Date: 27-06-2006, 00:55
| Speaking of Portugal they can anytime win the JERK-PLAY AWARD . The Dutch players are really happy after a match like that.No Dutch limbs were to remain on the field. |
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Author: joaol
Date: 27-06-2006, 01:40
Edited by: joaol
at: 27-06-2006, 01:58 | Unfortunatelly we can?t say th same thing, Ronaldo with a muscle strain, Figo with a little fracture in his nose, and Deco and Petit that yesterday learnt how to fly...however there was a dangerous play by Nuno valente on Robben that wasn?t even a foul because there had been flagged an off-side before...that was really dangerous, that and Figo?s header..i must admit
Adding something else...think england could have a hand here too...I am doubting everything now, there is a lot of corruption everywhere and i don?t what to think about everything...:s |
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Author: Pedro
Date: 27-06-2006, 02:50
| @Addy_G.
Don't low the level of this fórum. Ok? Take a mineral gas water and your problem will pass. |
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Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 27-06-2006, 08:25
| Did he fracture his nose when he headbutted the Dutch guy, I wonder? Hm, how unfortunate!
Does Nuno have a black belt? He sure did look lite it. |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-06-2006, 09:57
| Well, Figo could not have gotten it from the meeting with Boulahrouz, as there was hardly any contact.
By the way who found the game rough? I found it very emotional and all players unfair, but there were hardly any hard tackles (except from the one on Ronaldo). |
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Author: ignjat63
Date: 27-06-2006, 10:24
| I don't think it was a rough game. It was highly strung with lots of provocations. But football is a contact sport and referee forgot that, I believe. |
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Author: panda
Date: 27-06-2006, 10:29
| I think the ref tries to be consistent within a match - so if he strats with bookings early, it becomes easy for there to be a high number. (Plus we know that some refs tend to issue more cards than others).
Once there was bad feeling on the pitch, the chance of more cards became higher.
It's a tricky one, because when commentators have investigated the individual cards, most are justified, especially as fifa have said they want cards for things like timewasting. But then you end up with the world cup record sendings off and you say 'something MUST have been wrong.'
As an English person, I can only hope that Saturday's match is not like that and that one side wins without possibility of complaint and arguments like these ones. |
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Author: cska
Date: 27-06-2006, 10:45
| I still support my initial opinion that if Netherlands didn't forget about fair play two times, then the whole tension would have become lower. You remember that the whole violence started when an angry Portuguese fouled the Dutch who didn't return the ball to the Portuguese. After that in just a few minutes there were numerous occasions of misbehaviour on the pitch and bad fouls.
However, the ref missed out the moment to show the red card to Costinha - he actually sent him off in the next occasion, but it was too late. The ref just failed to demonstrate consistency and equal criteria at any moment. |
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Author: spartaan
Date: 27-06-2006, 12:30
| In the second half, almost 18 minutes, the ball wasn't play.
Ithink it was an emotionel game, that Holland should win, if the coach (van basten), take off Boularouz for Heitinga by the start of the second half.
The tackle againts Ronaldo was for sure a red card. |
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Author: Addy_G
Date: 27-06-2006, 13:07
| I was simply glad when this game was over.It`s a disgrace for the World Cup and football, generally speaking.The Dutch had some misconducts, but they didn`t go physical, like the Portuguese players did.This isn`t about the Latin spirit, the tension of the match ... But another thing really annoyed me . The Brazilian coach of Portugal simply went mad. So the players received the coach`s mood. But from that to karate and other contact sports .... |
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Author: apw
Date: 27-06-2006, 13:36
| This is all rather out of context, The Dutch saying " well the Portugese did this " and the Portugese saying " but the Dutch did that "
Let's be brutally honest and say this really was NOT a dirty match but the Referee, be it on Fifa's guidelines or not deemed to make it that way.
My most abiding memory of this match is Deco & Van Bronckhurst, 2 Barca teammates sitting together at the end, both in full kit discussing what the hell was going on.
To me that proved that the Referee had lost all sense of sanity on the day and in the aftermath fans of both countries are blaming one another.
There were many wrongs in the game, Deco'S Wild lunge ( it is not for him to decide fair play) if he did he wouldn't dive to get fellow pro's booked. Figo's headbutt, Van Der Vaart's push on Petit, The defender's challenge on Ronaldo, Robben's dive, Costinha's handball etc etc, but for this to be the most carded game in History is a joke, bearing in mind some of the game's of 20 - 30 years ago. |
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Author: Ricardo
Date: 27-06-2006, 13:46
| I guess the referee at some point in the second half should have called the captains with him to say 'it's enough' The players were out of control and he could not get it in control with the cards he gave. |
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Author: Integral
Date: 27-06-2006, 17:07
| In the middle of the second half I thought that this game will end with the global fight between two teams, their coaches and fans.It is the desert of referee that this didn't happen. With his card he put out the flame on the field. I can't imagine, unlike Blatter, how this match could end with only 8 yellow cards. It is absolutely incorrect to look for the reasons of all dirty tackles and unfair play in the referee's actions but not in the minds of 22 players . |
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Author: EFS
Date: 27-06-2006, 18:53
| The referee made a few mistakes, but the players made the most mistakes. The biggest problem with referees that they are inconsistent. For example a dive in penalty box. Some give a freekick and a yellow card, otherones let the game go on. So it's still worth to try.
If you make a foul without the intension to play the ball you should get a card, some refs do, some don't. Headbutting should be red, not yellow, etc..
If the referees would be consistent the players know it and take care of it. It's not worth trying anymore.
I especially dislike and the cheating and acting of a lot of players. I like to watch football, if I would like to see actors I would go to the theater. |
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Author: MalcolmW
Date: 27-06-2006, 23:09
| I also noticed the pictures of Deco and Gio vB sitting together after being sent off. In Ehgland (and I thought anywhere else too) if you are sent of you are diemissed from the arena and most certainly cannot sit on the bench and watch the match, You are required to go to the dressing room area, where the best hope is to watch a monitor. |
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Author: apw
Date: 27-06-2006, 23:17
| Malcolm w :
I would imagine that to be the case in the WC too, but on sunday i think anything was possible, i wouldn't have been surprised to see One of the dismmissed players coming on to be a stretcher bearer ! |
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