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Author: pla Date: 14-06-2006, 16:17	it's time sepp blatter leave fifa.His action in referee field was ...nothing. Football needs reformation. At mondial level it's not acceptable a referee condamn a team : are you watching ukrainia : poor players=> red card and 4 off dreaming off sides and the team lost her first game. Worst and worst.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 14-06-2006, 17:24

I'm no Sepp fan but it's a bit extreme to call for his head based on one supposedly bad refereeing performance.

The penalty shouldn't have been a penalty and the red card was more than harsh. The offsides I'm not convinced at all. One in the first half where Shevchenko was definitely onside but two other players were in an offside position (presumably all the pundits either didn't see them or considered them not to be interfering with play!)Any other offside decision seemed debatable even after several replays. There are touch and go calls like those in most games.

The game did end 4-0 and Spain probably produced the best ninety minutes of football so far so Ukraine shouldn't feel so bad. I only hope Spain haven't peaked too early...

One thing to add. Does anyone speak Japanese or know any Japanese forums in English? Are they full of whining Japanese people (or whining Asians in general) complaining about the referee in the Japan-Australia match. Now that really was a bad penalty decision and at an absolutely critical time in the game just after Australia had equalised. Because of that decision Japan are probably out of the World Cup. Ukraine had a bad decision and lost a game by more goals than they would've anyway and have two games left that (if they are much good) they should win and get to the second round. My sympathy is fully with the Japanese.

Author: panda
Date: 14-06-2006, 18:19

@badgerboy

Spain played well; a shame that the penalty and sending-off came early in 2nd half; game was over as a contest.

Jap-Aus - OK, the FIRST controversy after the game was how the japanese goal was not a goal because Schwarzer was fouled. It's only 24 hrs later that the later ref mistakes started to take centre stage. If Japan had not been given the goal, maybe things would have not gone their way till near the end??? Who knows?

Author: pla
Date: 14-06-2006, 18:32
Edited by: pla
at: 14-06-2006, 18:36

you think japonese have been stolen ?
I'm very surprises because many thinks, it was australian who were stolen with the first goal on swharzer...

But the game against spain was an exemple, the last mondial was very bad in referee field and fifa promised a change : shirts draws wuth a yellow card particly in the last 15m...but what do we see?
Absolutely no change : already same simulations comics fouls...
At a mondial level it's a shame for an organisation who realize so much $$$$

Author: cska
Date: 14-06-2006, 23:27

Refs, refs, refs...
Only refs are always to be blamed. If in 14 matches refs were OK, nobody will say: "Good job! Excellent refs!". But when 2 matches with bad referees come, then all of you shout that refs are bad and FIFA does nothing to improve. Stop whining about that. On previous WC's (what a coincidence with the abreviation for a "special room" in a house - WC), ref mistakes were much more. Ref mistake decided WC QF in 1986, bad ref decided the final in 1990 (controversial penalty), bad refs hit Belgium in Bulgaria in 1994 (versus Germany and Italy).
However, on most recent WC's, much less decisive mistakes happen.
And here comes the story with compensations - if the ref gave a wrong goal to Japan versus the Aussies, then after that he may have decided to compensate and gave a controversial penalty for Australia. However, nobody is happy with that. No doubt, if no wrong goals and no wrong penalties are given, then nobody will complain. I have observed that this tactics is very common for refs - they think that if they compensate, they will be less criticized sfter the match. However, they just get the complaints doubled.
By the way, why it always happens that when a big and high ranked country faced smaller country, refs always make mistakes favoring the big sticks. How it comes that Spain was favored versus Ukraine ? How it comes that Italy was favored in 1990 and in 1994, France was supported in home WC 1998 and the Netherland were more than supported in 2000 (especially with the penalties versus... Italy) ?
Yes, on last WC Korea was favored versus Spain and Italy, but especially for Italy even if they are totally disfavored on this WC, this will hardly compensate for all "gifts" they received in the past. Sorry that I quoted WC's from 1986 on, but I was born in 1979 and WC 1986 was the first I watched. So, I didn't mention England in 1966 and the still controversial goal versus Germany...

Author: badgerboy
Date: 15-06-2006, 02:57

Panda

It didn't take 24 hours for the second refereeing mistake to take centre stage in my mind!

To me the first decision was more debatable. Usually the goalkeeper is protected (probably too much) but Schwarzer was flapping around as if he'd been taking lessons from an African goalkeeping coach and couldn't get to the ball. Even the ITV panellists couldn't agree on whether the goal should have been allowed.

For the second decision there was no debate. Clear penalty - even FIFA say so! But it was all quickly forgotten in the "euphoria" of Australia's first World Cup win.

But I only really brought up the Japan-Australia game exactly because I had heard no fuss about it and was contrasting it to the situation today where Ukraine were spanked by a clearly better side but within minutes of the game someone on here (pla) is calling for Blatter's head because the referee cost Ukraine the game. And yes, before anyone says it, I do realise there probably aren't many Japanese people that use this forum, hence the question about such forums on my last post.

On the subject of refereeing generally. I think it has been mostly very good at this tournament so far and the TV commentators and pundits are certainly very quick to say so. Of course it's more natural for people to highlight mistakes - just like a goalkeeper who stops everything for 89 minutes then drops a howler in the last...

Players aren't being booked for diving just told to get up, but are being booked for time-wasting, shirt-pulling etc. This seems to have been reasonably consistently applied. I guess the Red today was because of the "last man" rule. One rule I did find ridiculous was that the Ghanaian guy who made the horrendous foul on Iaquinta couldn't be penalised because the whistle had gone. If he couldn't be punished in the game then it should be possible retrospectively.