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Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: marco Date: 27-04-2006, 02:20	Do you know already some teams for Intertoto this year?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: iwan Date: 27-04-2006, 08:29	In Holland it will be sure the looser off Heerenveen-Twente must play a play-off against the winner off NEC-Vitesse for the only Dutch intertoto-spot.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: JPV Date: 27-04-2006, 09:21	Holland: Vitesse/NEC (1st leg was 0-0) Belgium: most likely "KAA Gent", Genk & Club Bruges still have theoretical possibilities to play ITT.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: yvohuys Date: 27-04-2006, 09:38	This is what I know: Greece: The club who has the highest position in the competittion between Larissa,Atromitos and Aigaleo Scotland: Hibernian or Inverness Spain: FC Sevilla,Atletico or Deportivo Sweden: Kalmar FF Estonia: Trans Narva Finland: Tampere United Netherlands: Play-offs between the loser of Twente-Heerenveen and the winner of Vitesse-NEC

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: vlad-tzepesh Date: 27-04-2006, 09:58	For Romania it will be the team with the best league position out of the following: FC National Bucuresti, FCU Politehnica Timisoara and Farul Constanta.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: christi Date: 27-04-2006, 12:29	If National wins the Romanian Cup final, or loses the final but Rapid wins the title, they'll play in the UEFA Cup so it will be between Poli and Farul.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Edgar Date: 27-04-2006, 12:42	But if National doesn't win the Cup and Rapid doesn't win the title, National can play in the Intertoto.

Author: iwan
Date: 27-04-2006, 15:09

In Holland the only ITC-spot is to win in the play-offs.
That will be one off the teams Twente,Heerenveen,NEC andt Vitesse.

But are there more countries where the highest team who didn't qalify
for the UC will be directly placed for the ITC?!?
I've allways thought the highest INTERESTED team who didn't qualify for the CL ore UC kan play ICT.

My intrepetation of JPV is the nr-5 off belgium will be placed for the intertotocup!?!?
ANdt are there more countries they do that!?!?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: JPV Date: 27-04-2006, 15:25	My intrepetation of JPV is the nr-5 off belgium will be placed for the intertotocup!?!? ANdt are there more countries they do that!?!? Belgium's nr 4 will play intertoto, since that's the highest team not qualified for CL/UEFA. (every team in Belgium is interested to play ITT)

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: walter-wade Date: 27-04-2006, 17:22	in turkey gençlerbirligi,trabzonspor or kayserispor according to the remaining 3 matches...

Author: MalcolmW
Date: 27-04-2006, 22:06

England's 7th league spot will gain the IT place (unless West Ham United, guaranteed a UEFA place as cup finalists against Liverpool, take 7th - in which case 8th will be eligible for IT).
Current positions and fixtures:
5th Arsenal 58pts (GD +30) - Sunderland (A 1/5), Manchester City (A 4/5), Wigan Athletic (H 7/5).
6th Blackburn Rovers 54 pts (GD +4) - Charlton Athletic (A 29/4), Chelsea (H 2/5), Manchester City (H 7/5).
7th Newcastle United 54 pts (GD +4) - Birmingham City (A 29/4), Chelsea (H 7/5).
8th Bolton Wanderers 52 pts (GD+8) - Tottenham Hotspur (A 30/4), Middlesbrough (H 3/5), Birmingham City (H 7/5).
9th Wigan Athletic 51 pts (GD -4) - Portsmouth (A 29/4), Arsenal (A 7/5).
14th Middlesbrough 43 pts (GD -8) - Everton (H 29/4), Manchester United (A 1/5), Bolton Wanderers (A 3/5), Fulham (A 7/5).

Author: Ricardo
Date: 28-04-2006, 09:29
Edited by: Ricardo
at: 28-04-2006, 09:53

@yvohuys
For Estonia Trans Narva still might still play UefaCUp (directly) by winning the Cup (or lose it from the Estonian champion TVMK). If they don't they will play Intertoto. (If they do, I guess Flora will play Intertoto)

P.S. I got on my site also a intertoto sheet, that shows the 3 rounds in 1 view. with confirmed entrants and otheres that are currently on the highest place in the league that would enter them into the Intertoto.
There is also the EuroTopFoot site that only gives the draw and the confirmed teams. It is from one of the forum contributors, though I don't remember his/her name.
I don't have the rules for the countries, I presume all teams are interested. Only for Holland I know (and implemented) a different rule(the play-offs).

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 28-04-2006, 12:59 Edited by: badgerboy at: 28-04-2006, 12:59	Only one thing to add to MalcolmW's explanation of the situation in England. I believe that Wigan have not applied to play Intertoto, so should they finish 7th the spot would - again - go to the 8th placed club.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: drewvkamp Date: 28-04-2006, 17:25	Long time reader, first time poster. I read somewhere that Armenia had some collapsing of teams. Kotayk (which finished fourth in the league and would be eligible for the Intertoto Cup) disbanded just before the 2006 season started. My reading is that Kilikia Yerevan would therefore take the Intertoto spot. Has anyone heard otherwise?

Author: badgerboy
Date: 28-04-2006, 17:51

Looks like you are right drewvkamp.

According to rsssf.com Esteghlal Kotayk are no more. I'd read about Yerevan United going belly up. I'd noticed them because I was in Yerevan a little under a year ago and their matches were being heavily promoted in the tourist office at the time.

It seems Estonia has trouble getting enough teams together to form a domestic league at the moment.

On the IT, I guess you're right that Kilikia are next in line - although I'm a little unsure how many of the teams listed on various sources are "confirmed" and how many are listed simply as the highest placed team in a finished league.

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 28-04-2006, 20:35

I think nothing about teams is official yet. The only official item is that all associations (except Portugal) will send one team to IT. And that this team must finish within 4 places of the last UEFA Cup spot in the domestic league.

Of coarse I know that many associations have asked clubs if they want to participate. But if there is a list (or a list in each country) then I see no reason why it cannot be changed until say June 1.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: MalcolmW Date: 29-04-2006, 14:05	@badgerboy Although I believe Wigan have previously said they would not enter IT I think that if the opportunity arises they will take up the option. Especially if if ensures either of their near neighbours (Bolton / Blackburn) miss out.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: marco Date: 30-04-2006, 01:26	And which is the situation in Hungary? Maybe Ferencvaros can enter? And in Italy?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: walter-wade Date: 30-04-2006, 12:56	no, in hungary the 3th or the 4th team will go to the inter-toto cup, so Frencvaros has no chance to do it..

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: seso Date: 01-05-2006, 00:57	In Greece, it will be between Larissa and Atromitos. Both have 39 points. The last games are: Larissa-Panathinaikos and Akratitos-Atromitos. If they'll have the same points after their matches, Larissa will be 7th. I think Atromitos has more chances, since Panathinaikos still has (small) chances for the CL, and Akratitos is already relegated.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 02-05-2006, 16:01

On www.intertoto-cup.com(the official site), they have the fixtures now.
They have temas in bold there. I assume this are the seeded teams. 13 in round 1(of 26), 13 in round 2(of 28) and 8 in round 3(of 22).
I still don't understand the round 2 seeding. Why not have 1 more team seed so half of the teams is seeded. now we got 2 teams entering in Round 2 against eachother, AND 2 entering round 1 already against eachother

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: higgins147 Date: 02-05-2006, 21:18	Yes it appears the teams in bold are the seeded teams. Latest information I have on the game between Vetra of Lithuania and Shelbourne is that the First Leg will go ahead on the 18th June at 18:00 local time. That information comes from www.shelbournefc.ie message boards.

Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 03-05-2006, 11:55

The press here seem to be talking up Hibs as our IT Cup entrants, so it looks like Inverness will have to wait another season for Europe.

UNLESS Hearts lose both their final 2 games, in which case Rangers will be in the CL, Hearts and Hibs in the UEFA Cup, and Inverness in the IT.

UNLESS Hearts lose both thier final 2 games, and Aberdeen overtake Hibs (still v.possible) which will mean Rangers in the CL, Hearts and Aberdeen in the UEFA Cup, and Hibs in the IT.

Unusually complex for a Scottish end of season European qualifying.

Author: Cro_nogomet
Date: 03-05-2006, 17:03

@ Ricardo
It had to be like it is, because of the regional grouping of participating countries.

In South-Mediterranean group there are 6 countries who start in Round 2 of Intertoto: Turkey, Israel, Serbia & Montenegro, Bulgaria, Croatia and Hungary (moved from Central to South group to even the numbers). And we have 4 teams from South group who will qualify from Round 1. That's 10 teams (6+4), so it was known that Hungarian team (because it's lowest in ranking) would have to play against 1 of the direct qualifiers.

The same is in the Central group. Switzerland is lowest in ranking between direct qualifiers (Czech Republic, Russia, Austria, Ukraine, Poland, Switzerland), so they have to play against 1 of them.

On the other hand, in Northern group there are only 3 direct qualifiers (Scotland, Norway, Denmark) + 5 qualifiers from Round 1. So it had to be 2 qualifiers from R1 to play against each other.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 03-05-2006, 17:04	@MichaelCollins And then there is also still the possibility that Hearts miss out on the CL and loses the Cupfinal, in which case Hearts and Gretna will be in the UEFA-cup.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: panda Date: 03-05-2006, 19:56	It's true - 99% of people have assumed Hearts will win the cup. The fact there will now be 11 qualifiers from IT to UC has made it much more a real Euro place ....but maybe more for teams from bigger countries. Anyway, the competition for the last IT place is now as interesting as that for the last 'direct' UC place.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Vesuvio Date: 04-05-2006, 02:14	In Italy there wasn't a presigning to Intertoto. Italian federation will pay a penalty if no team will partecipate, but at least Palermo seems interested to partecipate since the road to Uefa Cup seems easier tah mast seasons.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 04-05-2006, 02:37

I guess if they still want it Hibernian now have the Intertoto spot for Scotland - their chance of a direct UEFA Cup spot having gone.

As to Vesuvio's point about Italy. I'm not sure exactly what would happen now if an association were not to come up with any participants. If Italy (as an example) pulled out could the countries still be moved around so that the next country on the list (presumably Scotland) took Italy's place in the draw (or maybe Turkey as the next ranked country in the same geographical region?) - someone from R1 took Scotland's place and a second team from another country started in R1?

Palermo are actually in the Intertoto spot at the moment but could still - just - catch Chievo in the last UEFA spot. Livorno (who to my mind were cheated out of their Intertoto spot last year because the Italian FA decided Lazio - who finished below them - should take the 3rd round place) and Parma are the two teams that can catch Palermo.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 04-05-2006, 22:24	Sunday night I will post the Cypriot and Greek participant. From Cyprus it will be either Olympiakos or Ethnikos Achnas and from Greece either Larissa or Atromitos (Also known as Chalkidona). I would appreciate if anyone in this place has a copy of the regulations of UIC2006, the one available from the UEFA page is last year's

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: MalcolmW Date: 04-05-2006, 23:19	Blackburn Rovers sealed their direct UEFA Cup spot with a home victory over champions Chelsea. The position now is that if Newcastle United win at home to Chelsea in their final match they will once again be eligible for Intertoto. If they fail to win then Bolton Wanderers can take their place by winning at home against relegated Birmingham City. These matches are on Sunday 7 May.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: MichaelCollins Date: 05-05-2006, 10:38	Oh, I am in no position to underestimate Gretna. January 2006 Gretna 6-1 Partick Thistle If they can destroy the best team in world football, they can do anyone! Nah, they are a good side, and if Hearts turn up expecting to win, they could be turnedover. See Dundee, St Johnstone and Clyde in earlier rounds.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Nick Date: 05-05-2006, 10:53	Bulgarian IT side will be either Lokomotive Sofia or Lokomotive Plovdiv. It depends if CSKA will win the Cup. If they do Loko Sofia will be qualified directly for the UEFA Cup and the place will go to Loko Plovdiv. If CSKA looses the final then Loko Sofia will be the IT side. Both teams have applied and confirmed that they want to take part in the IT.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 05-05-2006, 11:45	Onisilos The new regulations (for any of the three club competitions)aren't published yet. When they are I think you'll find them through exactly the same links as you're currently finding last year's. For some reason UEFA doesn't seem to like publishing these until well after season's end (see the dates for last year's publishing).

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: ron Date: 06-05-2006, 10:40	From Israel it will be Maccabi Petach-Tikva or Maccabi Tel-Aviv.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 06-05-2006, 17:58	Ethnicos Achnas will represent Cyprus for the UIC and this is a relief as Olympiakos would have fielded a youth team whereas Ethnicos Achna will probably field a half decent team and humiliation will be avoided The Greek final league day will be played next weekend and not this one.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: TimJohnson Date: 07-05-2006, 19:03	Carmarthen Town will represent Wales

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: MalcolmW Date: 07-05-2006, 20:29	Newcastle United beat Chelsea 1-0 today in the final league match to confirm their right to the English Intertoto spot.

Author: maranton
Date: 07-05-2006, 21:35

If there is a rule that the participant of a country must be within 4 spots from the UEFA position then there will be a problem with Cyprus as Ethnikos Achnas finished 9th and the UEFA participant for Cyprus is the 2nd Omonia Nicosia.
This is because none of the top 8 in the league wanted to participate in Intertoto since June is not a good time for games. Most Cypriot teams start training at mid-June for the next seazon.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 07-05-2006, 23:10 Edited by: onisilos at: 07-05-2006, 23:11	maranton there is such a rule and it has been there for sometime now, it was a bit different before, the rule that was applicable for the size of the Cypriot league was that the participant team had to finished in the top-8 but in the past UEFA turned a blind eye on this one and I expect them to do the same this year also. Besides the regualtion for the 2006 UIC are not out yet

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Vesuvio Date: 08-05-2006, 01:23	Chairman of Palermo Zamparini said that new format of Intertoo is very interesting and he want partecipate, since the season will end soon due to World Cup and players will have long resting time. Of course if will partecipate Palermo will be without the International players that will play in Germany.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Meatball Date: 08-05-2006, 11:35	If Palermo plays in Intertoto Cup, they will enter in R3 which takes place after the world cup in Germany. So if they want to, they can field their international players.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: SHEV Date: 09-05-2006, 10:24	What about France?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 09-05-2006, 11:03	In France every club seems to enter the Intertoto - so 5th place in the league should give the Intertoto spot.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Azazelo Date: 11-05-2006, 00:57	Ukrainian team in Intertoto is Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Vesuvio Date: 11-05-2006, 01:43 Edited by: Vesuvio at: 11-05-2006, 01:44	to meatball World Cup will end on 9 july, Intertoto will start 15/16. Even if Italy and other teams with Palermo's players will end sooner, don't you think that player must to rest for a while? Or will they must skip vacation?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: hejazia Date: 11-05-2006, 01:50	Most big nations teams usually field a reserve or B team for the intertoto cup. And world cup players will in anycase be given extra time off to prepare the season.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 11-05-2006, 08:14	Is it officially announced that Dnipro takes the Ukrainian Intertoto spot? Even the website of Dnipro lists Illichivets and Metalist above Dnipro.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Azazelo Date: 11-05-2006, 08:57	They are above,but they don't want to play Intertoto

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: conscious Date: 11-05-2006, 10:00	After yesterday's Russian Cup semifinals, it's sure that FC Moskva will enter IT for Russia.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 11-05-2006, 16:29	Bert, yes, because they didn't sign for Intertoto spot. There was only two clubs, which wanted to get to UIC. They are Chernomorets (which qualified as 3-rd place team) and Dnipro. So, Dnipro in UIC.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: spoonman Date: 11-05-2006, 17:22 Edited by: spoonman at: 11-05-2006, 17:23	With one matchday to go in Germany, Hertha BSC (48 pts/51-46) are currently sitting on the IT spot. Borussia Dortmund (45 pts/42-39) have a mathematical chance of overtaking them but they'd need to win at Bayern Munich to do this, and they've got so many players sidelined that coach Bert van Marwijk can hardly find 11 men who are fit enough to play.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: marco Date: 12-05-2006, 01:03	In Hungary, it's sure MTK want to play Intertoto? They can be replaced by Ferencvaros if finish at 5th position?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 12-05-2006, 11:08	Conscious Do you know for sure FC Moscow have applied for the Intertoto or are you just assuming based on league position? Zenit would be next in line for the place if they haven't applied.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 12-05-2006, 16:44	Is Zilina in Intertoto from Slovakia?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: conscious Date: 12-05-2006, 22:03	badgerboy Yes, this is for sure. Moskva have proudly announced participation in the cup at their website: http://www.fcmoscow.ru/ru/news/200605111248-1986.htm Here in St. Petersburg, we're mourning over Zenit's recent poor run. (head coach sacked, 4 losses in a row, including cup semifinal... very bad...)

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Nick Date: 13-05-2006, 07:53	How strong is FC Moskva, btw? Can they be a real challenge to Herta in ITR3?

Author: badgerboy
Date: 13-05-2006, 11:39

Thanks conscious.

I had a look on the Moscow website before but couldn't find anything. I don't really read Russian but recognise some letters and figured out what the word "Intertoto" should look like in Cyrillic. Still missed it though!

It always amazes me how greedy most clubs are as regards success. Reach the UEFA Cup quarter-finals for the first time in ages (possibly in your history but I'd have to look that up) - get the sack. Reach the CL Group Stage on a minimal budget (Thun)- get the sack. A few years ago all three promoted clubs in Spain (or it might have been Italy) sacked the coaches who got them their promotions before the new season even started.

A lot of "unfashionable" clubs seem to be doing well in Russia now. Is that a sign of big clubs with overpaid players underperforming or a general raising of standards? Am I right to expect a lot from CSKA in the CL this year (knockout stages at a minimum) - they seem to have kept most of their UEFA Cup winning side together? Or am I overrating that success?

Any good websites (in English) on Russian football in general?

Back on the intertoto. Was I imagining it or were there team names on the official site that now seem to have vanished - or was I imagining their existence? Alternatively, are they still there and I just can't find the link?

If Inverness are relying on a second round team dropping out then I'd guess they can pack for their holidays now.

Any potential drop-outs from R1? Romania's "5th team" could end up with a better draw than their "4th team" in the event of any licensing problems (or lack of interest) in Azerbaijan, Bosnia or a number of other countries....

Author: conscious
Date: 13-05-2006, 12:59

Herta are strong favourites, but we love football for its impredictability

Besides, Moscow had a somewhat shaky start to the season.

As for the general situation in the Russian league, I believe there is at least some raising of standars. Over the last few years, some solid clubs were promoted (Rubin, Amkar, Tom).

On the other hand, the big clubs are underperfoming. CSKA are very strong favourites to win the league, probably by a good margin (they're second now). Spartak had their coach sacked, but look to recover (they've had some strong matches recently with their caretaker). Lokomotiv seem to be finding their ground after a poor start (they have changed a manager before the season).

Tom's and Nalchik's results are a bit of surprise, but can be partly explained by relatively easy calendar and unfamiliarity of the opponents, respectively. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

And sorry, but I don't know any English websites on Russian football.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 13-05-2006, 20:16	ron wrote: "From Israel it will be Maccabi Petach-Tikva or Maccabi Tel-Aviv." Does anyone know which team get the Intertoto spot. They finished equal on points in the league.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 13-05-2006, 20:26	And Poland? Lubin 3th (UC) and Amica 4th (IT) based on head-to-head? The other way around if goal difference counts. Please help?

Author: dawgs
Date: 13-05-2006, 20:58

Well Ponad's situation is indeed complicated.

It is head to head and Zaglêbie gets the last UC spot.

IT is a bit of a mess: Lech is bancrupted and relegated to the 4th division, but will be called Amica from next year on. Amica will be instead called Lech, but I don't know if they'll transfer the IT spot as well. It is still possible that Korona represents Poland there.

Maybe Kronsky can shed some light.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 13-05-2006, 21:56	France?! Who?! Is it Marseille?!!!

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Nick Date: 13-05-2006, 22:00 Edited by: Nick at: 13-05-2006, 22:01	Either OM or Lens. Must check the head-to-head results. I guess both are a tough task for Dnipro in IT. The big loosers in France are Rennes. After 45 min. they were on a UEFA Cup place and after 90 min they were out of Europe at all.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Aegis Date: 13-05-2006, 22:01	Yes, it's Marseille. Their coach put the blame of their bad start of season on their Interototo campaign and said a month ago they shouldn't play it again. I don't know if he has changed his mind or if the board agrees with him though. If they refuse, Auxerre should take their place.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: zoyman Date: 13-05-2006, 22:48 Edited by: zoyman at: 13-05-2006, 22:55	hi, I'M a OMfan.Sorry for my english,what teams in Ukraine,in Slovakia,in Luxembourg plays in (EDIT : Intertoto) ?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: shahar Date: 13-05-2006, 23:44	From israel maccabi petach tikva go to the intertoto

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 13-05-2006, 23:48	To OM fan: From Luxembourg it is Grevenmacher From Slovakia it will be (99%) Zilina From Ukraine - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: spoonman Date: 13-05-2006, 23:48	Hertha BSC will represent Germany.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: zoyman Date: 13-05-2006, 23:49	Thanks, It will be very difficult versus Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: maciejko Date: 14-05-2006, 00:21	About Poland... Zaglebie Lubin is third and will play in UEFA Cup, Amica Wronki will play in Intertoto. After season Amica will merge with Lech Poznan - the "new" club will have name "KKS Lech Poznan". I'm not sure how UEFA will look on that but I think that KKS Lech Poznan should have Amica's coefficient.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: OMfan Date: 14-05-2006, 01:00	I hope we will play IT. Only 2 round to pass before uefa R1. Last year there were too many games versus strong teams (Lazio, la coruna etc...) but it's different today.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 14-05-2006, 11:50	to zoyman Mutually...

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 15-05-2006, 08:55	TO Bert, I think you made a mistake with the Cypriot Participant for UIC. As far as I know Ethnicos Achnas is the team to participate and not Anorthosis and the media have Ethnicos as the UIC participant. Do you know something else ?

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 15-05-2006, 10:29

I just put Anorthosis as the next team in the league. I have no special information. Just that Ethnikos finished at rank 9. Not within 4 places of the last UEFA Cup spot. So, I think, only Anorthosis, ENP, Salamina, and AEL are acceptable for UEFA. Furthermore, I don't trust the short lists of every country. Nothing is official yet, and changes should be acceptable until at least June 1.

Can you take a closer look in the Cypriot news sources about this issue? I cannot read Greek language

Author: executor
Date: 15-05-2006, 11:42

For Romania it's getting clearer. FC National will most probably not participate in IT. Because they are in cup final and if they lose they must wait to see if Rapid wins the title. Because the deadline for IT is June 5th and the last MD in Romania is on June 7th and because at that time most probably Rapid will still have chances for title.

Farul Constanta are 6 points above FCU Politehnica Timisoara and have better head-to-head results.

BUT I do have a question: Is there a deadline for "expressing your interest in Intertoto" ? Because Dinamo didn't apply (yet) and before the last MD they will most likely have 0% chance of even UEFA Cup. So if there isn't such deadline our representative will be Dinamo. If there is, then Farul.

Author: onisilos
Date: 15-05-2006, 12:07

I have asked around and checked a couple of websides and all confirm that Ethnicos will be the UIC representative of Cyprus and they even say that the opponent of Ethnicos will be Partizani from Albania.

There is nothing on the official side of Anorthosis for UIC and from what I know only 2 teams from Cyprus showed interest Ethnicos and Olympiakos.

I know Ethnicos finished 9th and they should not be allowed to take part but I remember a couple of cases last year where this rule was not applied. It will be very funny if Ethnicos is not allowed because there was a small rivalry between Ethnicos and Olympiakos for the UIC spot and some dodgy variations of the scoreline in the final matches of these 2 teams, Ethnicos game finished 5 minutes later than Olympiakos game

Author: Nick
Date: 15-05-2006, 12:27
Edited by: Nick
at: 15-05-2006, 12:30

executor: I don't think Dimano can still apply for a IT place. That's why btw, Bert's info about CSKA Sofia already qualified for european football is not entirely correct because CSKA also has not applied for IT and there is still a mathematical possibility that they loose the Cup and drop on 4th place and miss Europe at all. Of course they can qualify if they win or draw tomorow with Loko Sf but as of today they are still not 100% sure of Europe.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Ricardo Date: 15-05-2006, 13:29	I think a association has to apply to the Uefa for 'a team' which team is decided locally. Depending on the domestic association they will allow a team to candidate themselves on such a last notice or not. I would say why not?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: galatasaray Date: 15-05-2006, 18:32	Kayserispor from Turkey if gokhan unal continues to play in kayserispor this is a really good team. Gokhan Unal is Top GoalScorer of Turkish SuperLeague with 25 goals.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: seso Date: 15-05-2006, 20:15	I couldn't find anything new about the IT situation in Cyprus, but I think I found the city with a club in the first division of its country with the smallest population: Ethnikos Achnas is from the village Achna which (including Dasaki!!!) has a population of 1952 (631 housing units)!

Author: badgerboy
Date: 15-05-2006, 20:31

My French isn't brilliant but if I'm reading the Marseille website correctly Jean Fernandez says in an interview the club still has to decide if they want to enter the Intertoto or not.

Their priority for next season is to qualify for the CL so they have to sit down and discuss whether an Intertoto (and presumably UEFA Cup) campaign will help or hinder this.

This is the extract from the interview on Marseille's official website: "Une réflexion va être menée au sein du club pour décider d’une participation ou non à la coupe Intertoto. J’ai donné mon point de vue que les gens connaissent maintenant si le Président et le directeur sportif estiment que oui, alors on le fera.
L’adversaire pourrait être luxembourgeois, ukrainien ou slovaque mais je pense que le club d’Ukraine a le plus de chances de passer. Le match aller (15 ou 16/07) se jouerait à domicile et le retour à l’extérieur (22/07). Le deuxième tour aurait alors lieu en août ce qui serait gênant pour nous avec sept matches à jouer. On ne sera pas forcément aptes physiquement, c’était notre problème l’an dernier. Pape et José vont en discuter entre eux et ils prendront la bonne décision."

Author: zoyman
Date: 15-05-2006, 21:05

badgerboy,

Our Trainer,Jean Fernandez has afraid of "second tour preliminaire UEFA" (after Intertoto Cup) in August because with the championship,it will be 7 matchs in this month.That's why,he won't be very happy if we play Intertoto.
But,many supporters want to play in Intertoto (85 %).We also have a contract with a TV channel (M6) who will pay our matchs for broadcast Marseille.Only if we play an European cup.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 15-05-2006, 21:06	onisilos, seso, thx for the info. I've still my doubts. So for the time being I put a question mark beyond the name of both Cypriot clubs at the Qualification 2006/2007 page.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 15-05-2006, 22:44	What will happen, if Marseille refuses to take part in UIC?

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 16-05-2006, 00:53

Marseille have not refused yet.

The President just said on Saturday that they will have to think about it. As explained by Aegis, the coach is against as he blames the intertoto for playing too many games.

My personal assumption is that these guys don't know that the format changed.

When they realize this, they might understand that the intertoto cup is just a QR and they will they accept it.

They furthermore have a contract with M6 (TV) but the terms of the contract are not known to me.

At last, they might need to play in Europe next year to keep some players.

I thus would be extremely surprised if they refused, but this club is very unpredictable.

If they refused, I guess that Auxerre would enjoy the gift.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 16-05-2006, 08:27

@Lyonnais,
The guy talks about possible opponents(Luxemburg, Slovakia or Ukraine), that shows he does know what he is talking about. But it would mean 1 round IT + 1 round UC-Q2 before entering 'the real' tournament.
It means starting at July 15th with the first Intertoto match. Does Marseille have any aplyers in Germany this summer? they will be back just 1 week in which they have partied all time

It does not sound good for the players

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 16-05-2006, 08:41	Ricardo, one week is only for the happy few that play in the final. Or did you put all your money on France?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Ricardo Date: 16-05-2006, 09:07	I did not put my money on it, but that was the hidden message yes..(OK, I don't believe it myself)

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: zoyman Date: 16-05-2006, 10:57 Edited by: zoyman at: 16-05-2006, 11:00	Ricardo, Fabien Barthez,Frank Ribery (France)and Abdoulaye Meite (Ivory Coast).But for Meite and Barthez,they won't be at Marseille next year. p.s : I also know that 4 players of Dnipropetrovsk plays the world cup : Nazarenko,Rusol,Yezersky and an other.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 16-05-2006, 10:58	@Bert You have the wrong coefficient for NK Osijek in your qualifying list. It should be 8.647 in stead of 4.647

Author: badgerboy
Date: 16-05-2006, 11:53

Another Romania question.

CFR Cluj had a great European adventure last year through Intertoto but this year - apparently - did not apply. Any reasons given as to why? Do they - like Marseille - think the extra matches were detrimental to their season or is there some other reason? Was there not enough interest from the fans maybe? We talk a lot on here about more teams having the opportunity to play European football (something I'm generally in favour of)- and it always surprises me when teams turn this opportunity down. English teams had a terrible attitude to the Intertoto for a long time and I never understood why.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 16-05-2006, 12:15	@Forza, thanks for feedback. It's fixed now.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: executor Date: 16-05-2006, 12:41	@badgerboy Last year the players sacrificed their vacation in order to play Intertoto. This year the management of CFR Cluj promised them that the team will not apply for IT so that the players could have a long awaited holliday.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: OMfan Date: 16-05-2006, 14:00	@Lyonnais Your really funny, Jean Fernandez know is job and the new rules. whereas there is less games in it,he thinks there is still to many.Last year we were at the end of the ligue 1 after 5 games because of It cup.But p Diouf and j Anigo will decide. I don't think we need all your best players to win the first round and most of them will be there cause they don't play world cup.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 18-05-2006, 10:56

I don' remember which thread it was, but I read a question why I have put the French Intertoto team in the Central region.
Answer:
France plays with teasm from Ukraine, Slovakia and Luxemburg for 1 spot. These other teams (at least Ukraine and Slovakia) are in the Central European group.
Actually I haven't put FRance in, but the team of tehse 4 with the highest coefficient. That was the French team.

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 18-05-2006, 15:31

Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but I hate these geographical groups.
I always thought that it was purposely designed by Johansson to favor Scandinavian teams (northern teams generally speaking).
I might be wrong and I hope to be wrong but I feel very uncomfortable with this.
Although we just speak about qualifying games in the UEFA Cup, meaning that any decent team should not be annoyed by anyone at that stage, these geographical groups for me are the biggest manipulation of the UEFA (after the famous 'electronic draws').

Anyone sharing my views or is it totally irrelevant ?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: panda Date: 18-05-2006, 15:37	Is the theoretical justification - at this stage there are many smaller teams, that should not have to travel too far? (I am sure there are counter-examples!)

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 18-05-2006, 17:16	The regional grouping is correct in principle (to prevent far journeys for small teams etc.), but they should first make a ranking of all teams to determine which half of the teams in seeded. After that they should make the regional groups with the same number of seeded and unseeded teams in each region.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 18-05-2006, 17:22	Totally agree with ForzaAZ. Seeding first, geography second. Ideally I'd like seeding first, geography nowhere but I see the practicalities of the geographical draws.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: panda Date: 18-05-2006, 17:34	Yes, I also agree - unequal regional groups makes the idea of using geography stupid.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: duncshine Date: 18-05-2006, 17:57	There was a question earlier in this thread that I didn't see answered. IF Marseille were to drop out (and I know they haven't yet), who would take their place? Cheers

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: badgerboy Date: 18-05-2006, 17:58	Auxerre I believe.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: isidromv Date: 19-05-2006, 15:37 Edited by: isidromv at: 19-05-2006, 16:00	I've read in MARCA (link) that Deportivo has renounced to his right of playing Intertoto in case Spain receives a second spot because they would have to start middle of June. So next team is Getafe, will they want to start so early?

Author: badgerboy
Date: 19-05-2006, 17:04

Can't see anyone from Spain getting offered a second spot anyway.

One of the top 8 ranked countries would have to refuse to participate at all.

Oh, OK the Italian situation might result in something...

If it did I don't know but my guess would be no Spanish or English club would want to start so early - a French club might as they have always been big supporters of the Intertoto but in a World Cup year I'm not even so sure about that....

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 19-05-2006, 17:23

French clubs are not specifically supporters of the intertoto cup. As many, we think that this cup is useless and it happened in the past that some clubs refused to participate.

However, as already said in another topic, it is certainly easier for French clubs (or German or English clubs) to play this cup rather than for Italian or Spanish clubs as our season usually begin in early August (vs. early September for our neighbors).

Coaches tend to see this cup as a good replacement for friendly games that you usually play at that period.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 20-05-2006, 13:25

Thanks Lyonnais

I was basing my assumptions on the fact that France (and Germany for that matter) seem historically to come up with three clubs for the competition - even going back to 1995 when English clubs had to be forced to participate (or at least forced once the FA has stupidly agreed to send three teams and then found the clubs didn't fancy it!)and the first part of the competition was in groups.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 20-05-2006, 20:15	Does anyone has any idea what the financial benefits are for UIC? Once again this year UEFA has omitted saying anything about how much money the participating clubs get. Thanx

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Nick Date: 20-05-2006, 22:15 Edited by: Nick at: 20-05-2006, 22:16	Onisilos: In bulgarian media there was info that every club will get 50 000 euro for every round played. I guess this money is mainly for covering the travel and accomodation expenses of the teams.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Cro_nogomet Date: 21-05-2006, 10:55	Ricardo, why do you have FC Kotayk as confirmed Armenian Intertoto participant on your web site? Shouldn't it be FC Kilikia Yerevan?

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Dneprchemp Date: 21-05-2006, 11:20	@OMfan What is said about here? http://www.omplanete.com/news-692/l-om-pourrait-finalement-jouer-l-intertoto.ht ml

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: onisilos Date: 21-05-2006, 21:00	Nick: thanks, this is about the same as 2 years ago, I have a feeling it will be a bit more this year, fewer rounds, fewer teams. If anyone has solid information about this I will appreciate it..

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Lyonnais Date: 21-05-2006, 22:23	Denprchemp > they say that the coach finally moving to Auxerre, OM could finally play the intertoto as the coach was the one who didn't want to play this competition (whereas management was preety much in favour of playing). This said, I would wait until the new coach (Deschamps?) is named to get his opinion.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 22-05-2006, 08:39

Cro_nogomet,
Kotayk became 4th in their league, Pyunik is champion-> CL, MIKA won the cup and is second->UC1, Banats 3rd -> UC2.
Next in line is Kotayk, so I expect them to be play Intertoto. I have them bold because I think it was mentioned on this forum, but I gave up 'bolding' teams as it is all very dependend if a team wants or not.
Real confirmation is not available for any team, as no teasm are available on the official intertoto website.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 22-05-2006, 11:53 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 22-05-2006, 11:57	@Ricardo I think somwhere on the forum is mentioned that Kotayk was disbanded before the new season (see http://www.rsssf.com/tablesa/arme06.html), so then Kilikia is the next team in line for Intertoto. @Bert For Slovakia is should be 100% certain that Zilina plays Intertoto (if they are interested at least). They are certainly 4th with both Cupfinalists inside the top 3.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Ricardo Date: 22-05-2006, 12:53	Thanks Forza, I will adjust the team

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: bert.kassies Date: 22-05-2006, 21:55	Forza, thanks for the info.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Lyonnais Date: 23-05-2006, 00:26	Marseille just confirmed their participation.

Author: pla
Date: 23-05-2006, 10:00

@
Date: 20-05-2006, 20:15 "Does anyone has any idea what the financial benefits are for UIC ?"

=> i think it's nothing and covers just travel.

Uefa cup paid not many so intertoto...that's why it's a great question for a club to play or not intertoto.
Not this yeat but before with grooup, seli final final...intertoto cup can reduce ranking in national league.Clubs must take every negative and positive aspects.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-05-2006, 17:30	16 teams are now also confirmed on the official site: http://www.uicteams.ch/index.php

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 31-05-2006, 19:47 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 31-05-2006, 19:58	@Bert Why have you changes the Slovakian Intertoto club into FC Nitra, while Zilina has finished in a higher spot in the league. Don't they have a license??? Edit: Never mind. I looked at the site of FC Nitra and there is a big logo of the Intertoto Cup there in a news item, so alltough I can't read exactly what it says, it's clear that Nitra will play in the Intertoto Cup and not Zilina.

Re: Intertoto Cup 2007
Author: Nick Date: 01-06-2006, 08:02	19 teams confirmed on http://www.uicteams.ch/index.php