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| Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: MalcolmW
Date: 23-04-2006, 19:59 Edited by: MalcolmW at: 23-04-2006, 22:25 | The follwing is based on the last 5 seasons' CL and UC results. No country element is added. No bonus points are added. Qualifying round match score equally and fully as for later matches. CL and UC matches are treated equally. Those teams still competing this season are marked with an asterisk (*). 94 *Barcelona ESP 87 *AC Milan ITA 86 Liverpool ENG 83 Real Madrid ESP 82 Internationale ITA 77 Manchester United ENG 72 Juventus ITA 65 * Arsenal ENG 63 Porto POR 62 Valencia ESP 59 Oly. Lyon FRA 57 Newcastle United ENG 56 Bayern Munich GER 55 PSV Eindhoven NED 55 Celtic SCO 54 Brugge BEL 52 Panathinaikos GRE 50 Deportive la Coruna ESP 50 Chelsea ENG 49 Roma ITA 47 *Villarreal ESP 47 Basel SWI 47 *Steaua ROM 45 Ajax NED 45 Levski Sofia BUL 44 Rosenborg NOR 43 *Schalke 04 GER 43 Stuttgart GER 43 Anderlecht BEL 43 Partizan Belgrade SRB 42 Borussia Dortmund GER 42 Sparta Praha CZE 41 Parma ITA 41 Glasgow Rangers SCO 40 Feyenoord NED 40 Wisla Krakow POL 39 Monaco FRA 39 Lokomotiv Moscow RUS 39 Shaktar Donetsk UKR 33 Dinamo Kiev UKR 38 Auxerre FRA 38 Bayer Leverkusen GER 38 Sporting Lisbon POR 37 Lazio ITA 37 Brondby DEN 36 Lille FRA 35 Red Star Belgrade SRB 35 Rapid Bucharest ROM 34 Benfica POR 34 Besiktas TUR 34 Zenit St Petersburg RUS 34 CSKA Sofia BUL 33 AZ Alkmaar NED 33 AEK Athens GRE 33 Galatasaray TUR 33 Slavia Praha CZE 33 CSKA Moscow RUS 31 Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk UKR 31 Oly. Marseille FRA 31 Hertha Berlin GER 31 Grazer AK AUT 31 Kobenhavn DEN 30 *Sevilla ESP 30 Girondins Bordeaux FRA 30 Lovech BUL 29 HAPOEL Tel-Aviv ISR 28 *Middlesbrough ENG 27 Boavista POR 27 Austria Wien AUT 27 Ferencvaros HUN |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: Giuseppe
Date: 23-04-2006, 20:04 | STK you're getting famous! they've named a thread after you  Any comments? |
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| Author: dawgs
Date: 23-04-2006, 20:28 | All heil to Barca then.  I've been under the impression that Milan was dominating EuroFootball in the last few years, but the stats show the Catalan giants' clear advantage.  Sorry if I'm getting off-topic, but I can't fail to notice that Top10: Esp3 Ita3 Eng3 Por1 Top20: Eng5 Esp4 Ita4 Por1 Fra1 Ger1 Ned1 Sco1 Bel1 Gre1 Top30: Eng5 Esp5 Ita4 Ger3 Ned2 Bel2 Por1 Fra1 Sco1 Gre1 Swi1 Rom1 Bul1 Nor1 Srb1 Top40: Eng5 Esp5 Ita5 Ger5 Ned3 Fra3 Bel2 Sco2 Por1 Gre1 Swi1 Rom1 Bul1 Nor1 Srb1 Cze1 Pol1 Rus1 Top50: Ita6 Eng5 Esp5 Ger5 Fra4 Por3 Ned3 Bel2 Sco2 Rom2 Srb2 Rus2 Gre1 Swi1 Bul1 Nor1 Cze1 Pol1 Den1 Ukr1 Tur1 So any analysis of these results then? ps. And let's try to avoid personal conflicts as much as possible.  |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: STK
Date: 24-04-2006, 07:29 Edited by: STK at: 24-04-2006, 08:01 | So your point is? Yes on a more acurate TOP for 5 years, Steaua is on 21th place instead of 42th place in the current top. This whithout guarantee CL matches direct in groups. We can aslo observe teams in this top, in the first 20 positions, teams that lost for some time the european contact, like : Deportivo La Coruna, FC Brugge, Panathinaikos Athena. So you may cosindering of taking a lesser period of time than 5 years, for more acurate results. I will be glad to suply another good ideas in the future. And one more thing, i know that you appreciate my opinions, like i apprecite yours, but using my nick in the topic title look more like a deficient education, than a "inteligent" abreviation. |
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| Author: putzeijs
Date: 24-04-2006, 11:01 | With this STK-ranking, I see Belgian football very good on track. Brugge 16th, Anderlecht 29th. I really don't think they diserve such a high ranking. This is only because these 2 teams plays every year European football + because they had the right/obligation to play quali's. Playing qualis is not considered to be great fun, but it helps some countries to gain "easy points". Even Romenia gets 1/4 of it point out of these easy qualification games. |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: dawgs
Date: 24-04-2006, 12:57 Edited by: dawgs at: 24-04-2006, 12:58 | Well, Belgian Football comes up 8-12th w/ 2 teams in the top50... I guess that's pretty reasonable after all. I would have been surprised if they were lower than 15th in Europe.  |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: MalcolmW
Date: 24-04-2006, 16:58 | @STK: no offence was intended - lighten up (you are making progress!), I suggest you read the thread submitted by doctor beginning "I have a solution ...". PS. Do you know that Boro's goalkeeper was injured (fractured cheekbone) shortly before halftime in yesterday's FA Cup Semi-Final? I think he (Mark Schwarzer) was the main reason Steaua's domination last week only provided a single goal, so 3 could be possible in the away leg... Schwarzer is expected to be OK for World Cup (in which he got Australia through in the play-off against Uruguay). After Thursday's UEFA Cup match, Boro are home to Everton on SATURDAY, then away to Manchester United on Monday and Bolton Wanderers on Wednesday - a busy week!! |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: cska
Date: 25-04-2006, 10:34 | @MalcolmW I generally disagree with the ranking you posted, because you can't just eliminate the fact that teams, which start in later qualification rounds or are directly seeded in CL groups, will be at disadvantage with your system. They have less "pure" points not because they are "weak", but because they have less matches to play... and win. |
| Re: Special Team Klassification (STK for short) | |
| Author: aetius
Date: 25-04-2006, 12:28 | ...and that way it is a bonus included for teams wich into eurocup in the later stage. |