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Author: badgerboy
Date: 21-04-2006, 16:47

..they do get a mention in the latest issue of UEFA direct (page 12)
available under publications on the UEFA website.

For the CL it states that the main innovation is the 4 "homegrown" player rule and that "The participation of the trophy holders is also now guaranteed under the regulations, which explain the consequences this might have for the overall representation of the national association concerned". Nice to know but would be nicer still to be able to read the regulations and have the consequences confirmed!

It also states that for the UEFA Cup "the trophy holders are also guaranteed a place if they have not qualified for the UEFA Champions League". This has always been the case but since UEFA direct finds this point worth mentioning but says only "qualified for the CL" without mentioning the UEFA Cup is it possible they have amended the regulations so that an association would always get an extra place in the UEFA Cup even if the UEFA Cup winner had already qualified through their domestic competition.

I'd heard a report that the English FA were seeking clarification on the position if Middlesbrough won the UEFA CUP and reached the Cup Final and this might be a reason for it. Come on UEFA just publish the things will you!

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: dawgs Date: 21-04-2006, 16:52	I'm really upset w/ UEFA for the coverage they give to the procedures of the European competitions. Thank God for Bert/Ricardo/ForzaAZ for doing what some people in Geneva probably get payed to do, but don't. I hate UEFA.

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: eldaec Date: 22-04-2006, 13:42	The media in the UK is now consistently reporting that the rules are intended to be as per Bert's interpretation. (If Arsenal/Villareal win the CL then 4th place in the English/Spanish league is out) However, Tottenham are (understandably given the fisaco surrounding this) lobbying hard for the other interpretation.

Author: apw
Date: 22-04-2006, 21:55

I read today that Tottenham's lawyers are studying the regulations hard, so Uefa may need to act before CL final if Tottenham finish 4th In EPL & Arsenal reach final.
Personally i thought it had all been clarified, so as hard as it may be for Tottenham the rules are the rules, it would be ironic though if Tottenham's nightmare happened, not only would they have have to endure their bitter rivals as Champions of Europe but would miss out on The CL as well

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: Maluyaca Date: 23-04-2006, 01:39	@ badgerboy Where do you find the latest issue of UEFA direct. Do you get this by mail and can anyone subscribe on it?

Author: eldaec
Date: 23-04-2006, 14:37

""Personally i thought it had all been clarified""

What made you think this, it is, after all, UEFA we are talking about

The only formal word we have is a vaguely worded press release saying that the champions will always qualify and that the total number of european places per country would always remain the same.

This would entirely in line with a potential 5 CL slots (1-4th place + CL winners) for one country if the UC spots were reduced by one, as happened this year for England.

Quite what Spurs lawyers are poring over I have no idea, since noone at UEFA ever bothered to write the new rules down.

Author: badgerboy
Date: 23-04-2006, 14:53

Maluyaca

To find UEFA direct just go to UEFA.com and tab to the bottom of the page until you find the word publications (in the Media Services box), click on it and you get a list.

I thought you used to be able to do a link here but it doesn't seem possible now (it's a pdf file).

I think the position re: CL Holder is clear. Tottenham may try to quibble but wouldn't really have a case. UEFA should change the rules in the longer term.

My main interest now is with regard to the position with regard to the UEFA Cup.

1. Will a UEFA Cup win for a team NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE automatically result in an extra place for an association even if the winning team has qualified for the UEFA Cup through domestic performance?

2. Will a CL win for a team NOT QUALIFIED FOR EUROPE AT ALL through domestic competition result in another team missing out on European football all together? (Villarreal win CL, 4th in Spain to UEFA Cup, 6th in Spain only to Intertoto?)

These are the two things that will only be fully clarified with the publication of the new regulations. (Oh I also forgot - what will happen if a team finishing below 3rd in Germany or France etc. wins the CL).

Author: apw
Date: 23-04-2006, 16:26

eldaec :

I agree that i thoght it had been clarified and what Tottenham's lawyers are alledgly pouring over ( i say alledged because it was in the English press ?? ) i have no idea ?
It is probably because of the nightmare scenario for them of being denied a place in the CL because of their Rivals Possible success.

What is really annoying now is the English Press publishing articles which promote England having 5 places again.
I am English and consider the rules to be 4 maximum and that's that, it is up to uefa to come out and say 4 and no more once and for all, i admit i would feel sorry for Spurs if they were to miss out, but hopefully it will not reach that scenario

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: bert.kassies Date: 23-04-2006, 19:21 Edited by: bert.kassies at: 23-04-2006, 19:21	A test to see if there is any problem with a link to a pdf file. It seems to work fine.

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: badgerboy Date: 23-04-2006, 19:33	Ah, my mistake. It's because I'm usually lazy and cut and paste the web address onto here and am not allowed that option. I suppose if I typed it in it would work!

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: Maluyaca Date: 27-04-2006, 23:55	@ badgerboy Thanks for the link

Author: UncleSam
Date: 29-04-2006, 19:27
Edited by: UncleSam
at: 29-04-2006, 19:28

I don't know if this is reliable but I found this in The Times.

Unfortunately for Newcastle, sixth position may not be good enough to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Uefa, the governing body in Europe, confirmed that only three places would be available for English clubs, meaning Newcastle’s fate could be determined by how Middlesbrough fare in the Uefa Cup final.

If the Teesside club beat Seville, they will be awarded the third Uefa Cup place for next season, with West Ham United, the FA Cup finalists, already having claimed the first.

The Times

Author: badgerboy
Date: 29-04-2006, 20:02

UncleSam

I did hear something similar during the ITV4 commentary on Boro v Steaua. At the time I assumed that it was just an error on the part of the journalist but, if the Times are quoting UEFA maybe it is true.

The provisional UEFA Cup access list still had a seperate TH spot - but nothing has been published on UEFA's website yet so without the provisional access list OR the regulations who knows?

Frankly, if they are changing the rules I'd find it extremely annoying. What's wrong with a Title Holder taking a spot in addition to the country allocation? If it's true I'm probably going to end up wanting Boro to lose the final so that Bolton and/or Newcastle get a European place.

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: UncleSam Date: 29-04-2006, 20:59	"What's wrong with a Title Holder taking a spot in addition to the country allocation?" I can't see any reason but because UEFA want to hold on the rule of not more than maximum four teams per association in the Champions League they might also have to change the rules for the UEFA Cup?

Re: UEFA Regulations STILL not published but....
Author: badgerboy Date: 01-05-2006, 15:24	I've asked the Times to check their sources but haven't had a reply yet. Radio Five Live were still saying yesterday that sixth would definitely be good enough for the UEFA Cup (and Martin Jol was talking about the difference in the rules between CL and UEFA Cup). I'd trust their reliability more than ITV 4 or the Times journalist for now!

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 05-05-2006, 17:45

Still no regulations, but this article on uefa.com makes the new rules clear about the CL-title holder scenarios:

UEFA rules
Even if Tottenham ultimately take fourth place, their entry into the UEFA Champions League would still depend on whether Arsenal triumph against FC Barcelona in this season's final in Paris on 17 May. If that is the case, then Arsenal will qualify as holders and, under UEFA rules that say no more than four clubs from one country can play in the competition, Tottenham would drop into the UEFA Cup. Manchester United FC are also one point ahead of Liverpool FC as they compete for second spot behind Chelsea FC and a place in the group stage, with the team which finishes third having to start in the third qualifying round.

So, this makes clear, that when the same situation occurs in a country having 2 or 3 CL-spots, that they will get an extra spot in the CL.