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Author: nitsansh
Date: 09-10-2005, 06:26
Edited by: nitsansh
at: 09-10-2005, 07:27

Standings after matches of Oct 8:

	Association	'06	Points	Matches	Coeff. total						
1	Greece		1,636	36	19	1,895	
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
2	Netherlands	2,818	50	19	2,632	
3	England		2,444	42	17	2,471
4	Portugal 	2,455	27	11	2,455	
5	Czech Republic	2,182	46	19	2,421	
6	France		1,889	41	17	2,412	
7	Croatia		2,556	39	17	2,294	
------------------------------------------------------------
8	Germany		0,000	18	8	2,250
9	Sweden		2,333	38	17	2,235	
10	Poland		2,667	37	17	2,176
11	Italy		2,222	37	17	2,176	
12	Turkey		1,818	39	19	2,053
13	Spain		1,889	34	17	2,000	
14	Romania		2,083	39	20	1,950
------------------------------------------------------------
15	Russia		2,000	36	19	1,895
16	Serbia & Mont.	2,111	31	17	1,824	
17	Bulgaria  	1,556	31	17	1,824
18	Denmark		1,727	34	19	1,789	
19	Ukraine		2,083	35	20	1,750
20	Bosnia-Herz.	1,778	29	17	1,706	
21	Norway		1,667	29	17	1,706	
------------------------------------------------------------
22	Slovakia 	2,000	32	19	1,684
23	Latvia		1,364	31	19	1,632
24	Ireland		1,778	27	17	1,588	
25	Belgium		1,222	27	17	1,588	
26	Slovenia 	1,333	26	17	1,529	
27	Israel		1,800	27	18	1,500	
28	Hungary		1,444	24	17	1,412
------------------------------------------------------------
29	Scotland 	1,111	24	17	1,412
30	Finland		1,455	26	19	1,368
31	Estonia		1,273	22	19	1,158
32	Lithuania	1,000	19	17	1,118	
33	Albania		1,182	21	19	1,105
34	Wales		0,556	18	17	1,059
35	Iceland		0,444	17	17	1,000
------------------------------------------------------------
36	Georgia		0,909	17	19	0,895
37	Belarus		1,111	13	17	0,765
38	Macedonia	0,727	14	19	0,737
39	North. Ireland	1,000	12	17	0,706
40	Cyprus		0,444	12	17	0,706	
41	Moldova		0,556	11	17	0,647	
42	Armenia		0,364	11	19	0,579
------------------------------------------------------------
43	Liechtenstein	0,667	9	20	0,450	
44	Azerbaijan	0,333	7	17	0,412
45	Andorra		0,455	5	19	0,263
46	Malta		0,222	3	17	0,176
47	Faroe Islands	0,111	2	18	0,111	
48	Kazakhstan	0,091	1	11	0,091
49	San Marino	0,000	0	17	0,000	
50	Luxembourg	0,000	0	19	0,000

Author: nitsansh
Date: 09-10-2005, 07:26
Edited by: nitsansh
at: 09-10-2005, 07:30

GRE (TH), NED, ENG, POR & CZE are secured in pot 1.
FRA need a draw vs CYP and will surely get it.
CRO need to win against HUN.
SWE need a win against ISL and either FRA lose or CRO lose or draw.
GER get to pot 1 if CRO and SWE don't win.

POL and ITA are secured in pot 2.
TUR and ESP need a draw to stay in pot 2.
If RUS wins they will be level with ROM, and GD could decide who is in pot 2, but if ESP or TUR lose they both will be in pot 2.
SCG can get to put 2 with win over BIH and ESP lose and RUS don't win.

RUS and UKR are secured in pot 3.
SCG, BUL and DEN need a draw to stay in pot 3.
BIH and NOR should win to be sure in pot 3.

SVK, LAT, IRL, BEL and SLO can move up to pot 3.

SCO and FIN can move up to pot 4, at the expense of SLO or HUN.

GEO can go up to pot 5 instead of WAL or ISL.

AZE can replace ARM in pot 6.

Author: Magnus
Date: 09-10-2005, 07:50

nitsansh, sorry for my bad English ( I am from Russia). I do not understand, who will in 2 pot, if Esp, Tur and Russia wins ?
--
For example:
Espana wins, Turkey wins
and Slovakia - Russia 0-1( for example).
So:
12.Turkey
13.Espana
14-15. Romania - 2,083 - 39 - 20 - 1,950
14-15. Russia - 2,083 - 39 - 20 - 1,950
-----------------------------
Romania or Russia in that case?
P.S. Sorry for my English, please.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Magnus Date: 09-10-2005, 08:00	What is "GD" ?

Author: Edgar
Date: 09-10-2005, 08:14
Edited by: Edgar
at: 09-10-2005, 08:23

GD = Goal Difference

At the moment:

Romania

20 games - 39 points. 1.95 coeff
GF (goals for): 41
GA (goals against): 19
GD (goal difference): 22

Russia

19 games - 36 points 1.895 coeff
GF: 42
GA: 24
GD: 18

If Spain and Turkey both win, Russia must win by at least 4 goals in Bratislava in order to beat Romania for a place in the 2nd pot.

So - 12 October

San Marino - Spain
Albania - Turkey
Slovakia - Russia

I think we can safely assume Spain will win in San Marino. This means they will be in the second pot. The last 2nd pot place is between Turkey, Romania and Russia.

If Turkey doesn't lose in Tirana, Russia needs to win by at least 4 goals in Bratislava in order to beat Romania for a place in the 2nd pot.

If Albania beats Turkey, then Russia only needs to win against Slovakia.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Magnus Date: 09-10-2005, 09:37	Edgar,thank you for explanation. Oh, victory of Albania in a game with Turkey is science fiction( Russia is in a 3rd pot.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: nightfire Date: 09-10-2005, 20:12	Is it definite that there will be only 7 groups with the top 2 going through from each group?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: peter Date: 09-10-2005, 20:53	@nightfire: that's for sure !

Author: peter
Date: 09-10-2005, 20:56
Edited by: peter
at: 09-10-2005, 23:14

Yeah , very intresting the finish of actual preliminations.My prediction is,

-Sweden is more likely to go in the pot 1, then pot1 is sealed.

-i guess pot 2 is sealed too, of course many calculations can be done but for real its unlikely to beileve that turkey will lose in albania or rusia will beat in slovakia with 4 goals difference. Turkey doing many mistakes but i dont think they will do this one.

- its very intresting to see pot 3, very strong team comes togheter from below If you look , except italy and spain, there is no difference between pot 2 and 3, they all level good teams .

Author: anita
Date: 10-10-2005, 15:37
Edited by: anita
at: 10-10-2005, 16:16

It seems that Norways match against Belarus is important after all. If Norway lose, they will end up on 1,611 points, the same as Ireland and Belgium if those teams win. What are the rules then, FIFA-ranking, or? Slovakia will end up on 1,7 if they beat Russia.

If Norway draw against Belarus, they will have 1,666, so they better win!! Looking at the countries, Pot 3 is more than slightly better than pot 4, IMO.

Edit: Hmmm. Sorry, I counted with 2 points for win. It is of course 3 points for win, which means that Ireland, Slovakia, Latvia and Belgium may pass Norway on ranking if Norway lose to Belarus. If Norway get one point, and Ireland and Belgium win, all three will end up on 1,666. Again, what then?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 10-10-2005, 16:50	If two or more associations have the same coefficient, the following criteria will be applied: a) coefficient from the matches played in its most recent qualifying competition, b) average goal difference, c) average number of goals scored, d) average number of away goals scored, e) drawing of lots.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Giuseppe Date: 10-10-2005, 17:43	So am I to understand that unless Russia beat Sloavakia by 4 goals (which is highly unlikely) Romania will be second-seed for the Euro 2008 campiagn?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 10-10-2005, 18:16	Indeed, Romania is 99,9% in the 2nd pot. Read this (link) - Romanian only.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: dinamozagreb Date: 10-10-2005, 19:52	Cmon Croatia.... We are all drunk But have to win to be in pot 1. Pot 2 is not bad although.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: forbsey Date: 10-10-2005, 20:13	What needs to happen on Wednesday for Scotland to make pot 4? Would a win against Slovenia be enough or do we need Hungary to lose as well?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: thomas Date: 10-10-2005, 20:18	What about the last 8 teams? Will they be in one pot and one group will get 2 of this pot or will there a final pot with only the worst team, that is for sure in the 8-team-group?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 10-10-2005, 21:10	@forbsey A win against Slovenia will be enough.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Maluyaca Date: 12-10-2005, 20:39	do play off matches count too?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 12-10-2005, 20:43	No

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Maluyaca Date: 12-10-2005, 20:51	Thanks Anita, so tonight we know it.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 12-10-2005, 20:56	That would have been the utter insult by FIFA against lower ranked teams (of the six play-off teams), as long as they have ANOTHER and NEW seeding in the play-off matches.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 12-10-2005, 21:54	If Scotland draw against Slovenia, Hungary and Scotland will end up on same coeff, but Hungary will be seeded in pot 4 and Scotland pot 5 because Hungary have more points in their group. So Scotland have to win tonite to get into pot 4.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 12-10-2005, 22:01	Sweden safe in pot 1 and Croatia down to pot 2 after tonites results. So Germany and Italy (and Spain) will stay in pot 2, as far as I can see.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: nightfire Date: 12-10-2005, 22:41	and the Scots do it convincingly

Author: flob
Date: 12-10-2005, 23:12

Final standings:

         Assoziation	'06	pts	pld	cff


1	Greece		1,750	39	20	1,950
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
2	Netherlands	2,667	51	20	2,550
3	England		2,500	45	18	2,500
4	Portugal		2,500	30	12	2,500
5	Czech Republic	2,250	49	20	2,450
6	France		2,000	44	18	2,444
7	Sweden		2,400	41	18	2,278
------------------------------------------------------------
8	Germany		0,000	18	8	2,250
9	Croatia		2,400	40	18	2,222
10	Italy		2,300	40	18	2,222
11	Turkey		1,917	42	20	2,100
12	Poland		2,400	37	18	2,056
13	Spain		2,000	37	18	2,056
14	Romania		2,083	39	20	1,950
------------------------------------------------------------
15	Serbia & Mont.	2,200	34	18	1,889
16	Russia		1,917	37	20	1,850
17	Denmark		1,833	37	20	1,850
18	Norway		1,800	32	18	1,778
19	Bulgaria		1,500	32	18	1,778
20	Ukraine		2,083	35	20	1,750
21	Slovakia		1,917	33	20	1,650
------------------------------------------------------------
22	Bosnia-Herz.	1,600	29	18	1,611
23	Ireland		1,700	28	18	1,556
24	Belgium		1,200	28	18	1,556
25	Latvia		1,250	31	20	1,550
26	Israel		1,800	27	18	1,500
27	Scotland		1,300	27	18	1,500
28	Slovenia		1,200	26	18	1,444
------------------------------------------------------------
29	Hungary		1,400	25	18	1,389
30	Finland		1,333	26	20	1,300
31	Estonia		1,417	25	20	1,250
32	Wales		0,800	21	18	1,167
33	Lithuania		1,000	20	18	1,111
34	Albania		1,083	21	20	1,050
35	Iceland		0,400	17	18	0,944
------------------------------------------------------------
36	Georgia		0,833	17	20	0,850
37	Macedonia		0,750	15	20	0,750
38	Belarus		1,000	13	18	0,722
39	Armenia		0,583	14	20	0,700
40	North. Ireland	0,900	12	18	0,667
41	Cyprus		0,400	12	18	0,667
42	Moldova		0,500	11	18	0,611
------------------------------------------------------------
43	Liechtenstein	0,667	9	20	0,450
44	Azerbaijan	0,300	7	18	0,389
45	Andorra		0,417	5	20	0,250
46	Malta		0,300	4	18	0,222
47	Faroe Islands	0,100	2	18	0,111
48	Kazakhstan	0,083	1	12	0,083
49	San Marino	0,000	0	18	0,000
50	Luxembourg	0,000	0	20	0,000

Greetings Flob

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Maluyaca Date: 12-10-2005, 23:13 Edited by: Maluyaca at: 12-10-2005, 23:14	Slovakia and Bosnia change pot. After edit the reply before me wasn't there so forget this

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Sanibel Date: 12-10-2005, 23:15	Where and when is the draw?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: christoph2136 Date: 12-10-2005, 23:19	Jan 27th, 2006, in Montreux, as far as I know.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Maluyaca Date: 12-10-2005, 23:54 Edited by: Maluyaca at: 12-10-2005, 23:56	Montreux in Switserland

Author: nitsansh
Date: 13-10-2005, 01:32

Is my ranking the same as yours???

Standings after matches of Oct 12:

	Association	'06	Points	Matches	Coeff. total						
14 	Greece		1,750	39	20	1,950	
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
1	Netherlands	2,667	51	20	2,550	
2	England		2,500	45	18	2,500
2	Portugal 	2,500	30	12	2,500	
4	Czech Republic	2,250	49	20	2,450	
5	France		2,000	44	18	2,445	
6	Sweden		2,400	41	18	2,278	
------------------------------------------------------------
7	Germany		0,000	18	8	2,250
8	Croatia		2,400	40	18	2,222	
9	Italy		2,300	40	18	2,222	
10	Turkey		1,917	42	20	2,100
11	Poland		2,400	37	18	2,176
12	Spain		2,000	37	18	2,056	
13	Romania		2,083	39	20	1,950
------------------------------------------------------------
15	Serbia & Mont.	2,200	34	18	1,889	
16	Russia		1,917	37	20	1,850
17	Denmark		1,833	37	20	1,850	
18	Norway		1,800	32	18	1,778	
19	Bulgaria  	1,500	32	18	1,778
20	Ukraine		2,083	35	20	1,750
21	Slovakia 	1,917	33	20	1,750
------------------------------------------------------------
22	Bosnia-Herz.	1,600	29	18	1,611	
23	Ireland		1,700	28	18	1,556	
24	Belgium		1,200	28	18	1,556	
25	Latvia		1,250	31	20	1,550
26	Israel		1,800	27	18	1,500	
27	Scotland 	1,300	27	18	1,500
28	Slovenia 	1,200	26	18	1,445	
------------------------------------------------------------
29	Hungary		1,400	25	18	1,412
30	Finland		1,333	26	20	1,389
31	Estonia		1,417	25	20	1,250
32	Wales		0,800	21	18	1,167
33	Lithuania	1,000	20	18	1,111	
34	Albania		1,083	21	20	1,050
35	Iceland		0,400	17	18	0,945
------------------------------------------------------------
36	Georgia		0,833	17	20	0,850
37	Macedonia	0,750	15	20	0,750
38	Armenia		0,583	14	20	0,700
39	Belarus		1,000	13	18	0,722
40	North. Ireland	0,900	12	18	0,667
41	Cyprus		0,400	12	18	0,667	
42	Moldova		0,500	11	18	0,611	
------------------------------------------------------------
43	Liechtenstein	0,667	9	20	0,450	
44	Azerbaijan	0,300	7	18	0,389
45	Andorra		0,417	5	20	0,250
46	Malta		0,300	4	18	0,222
47	Faroe Islands	0,111	2	18	0,111	
48	Kazakhstan	0,083	1	12	0,083
49	San Marino	0,000	0	18	0,000	
49	Luxembourg	0,000	0	20	0,000

Author: nitsansh
Date: 13-10-2005, 01:57

I'm curious where Switzerland and Austria would have been ranked if they didn't qualify as hosts... can anyone do a quick calculation?

I'm also interested to see the moves in the standing from the ranking 2 years ago... and perhaps further back... where can I find those old ranking lists?

Surely Serbia, Ukraine and Slovakia are among the teams that moved up... Belgium took a deep dive... Spain probably dropped a few spots... Slovenia also went down...
In the lower half, I guess Estonia, Albania, Belarus, Liechtenstein and Andorra moved up a few places... On the other hand I would expect to see Iceland and Cyprus dropping down...

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 13-10-2005, 03:46	nitsansh, Austria had 9 points in 8 matches in ECQ-04, = 1.125. Switzerland 15/8 = 1.875

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: alono Date: 13-10-2005, 06:54 Edited by: alono at: 13-10-2005, 06:57	To nitsansh and anita: Counting both Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006... Switzerland = 33/18 = 1.8333 --> 3rd pot Austria = 24/18 = 1.3333 --> 5th pot

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 13-10-2005, 08:49 Edited by: Edgar at: 13-10-2005, 09:04	To flob & nitsansh: You both have Luxembourg last. I have San Marino last. Both have 0 points. It comes down to GD: San Marino 2 - 70 -> -68 in 18 games = -3.7778 Luxembourg 5 - 69 -> -64 in 20 games = -3.2 Am I right?

Author: flob
Date: 13-10-2005, 09:21

Edgar, you are right.
My apologise to all fans from Luxembourg.

nitsansh, here is the ranking from 2004:

	Ass.		pld	pts	cff
1	France		8	24	3,000
2	Portugal		10	24	2,400
3	Sweden		18	43	2,388
4	Czech Republic	18	42	2,333
5	Italy		16	37	2,312
6	Spain		16	37	2,312
7	England		16	37	2,312
8	Turkey		18	40	2,222
9	Netherlands	18	39	2,166
10	Croatia		16	34	2,125
11	Belgium		16	33	2,062
12	Russia		18	37	2,055
13	Denmark		18	37	2,055
14	Ireland		18	35	1,944
15	Poland		18	34	1,888
16	Slovenia		18	34	1,888
17	Bulgaria		18	34	1,888
18	Romania		16	30	1,875
19	Scotland		16	29	1,812
20	Serbia & Mont.	18	31	1,722
21	Switzerland	18	29	1,611
22	Greece		16	25	1,562
23	Austria		16	24	1,500
24	Slovakia		18	27	1,500
25	Ukraine		18	27	1,500
26	Iceland		18	26	1,444
27	Finland		16	22	1,375
28	Norway		18	24	1,333
29	Israel		16	21	1,312
30	Bosnia-Herz.	16	21	1,312
31	Latvia		16	20	1,250
32	Wales		18	22	1,222
33	Hungary		16	19	1,187
34	Georgia		16	17	1,062
35	Belarus		18	18	1,000
36	Cyprus		18	16	0,888
37	Estonia		18	16	0,888
38	North. Ireland	18	14	0,777
39	Lithuania		16	12	0,750
40	Macedonia		18	13	0,722
41	Albania		16	11	0,687
42	Moldova		18	12	0,666
43	Armenia		18	12	0,666
44	Azerbaijan	18	9	0,500
45	Faroe Islands	18	8	0,444
46	Malta		18	2	0,111
47	San Marino	16	1	0,062
48	Liechtenstein	16	1	0,062
49	Andorra		18	0	0,000
50	Kazakhstan	0	0	0,000
51	Luxembourg	18	0	0,000
	(Germany           16      35	2,187)

Rankings 2002 and 2000 will follow this evening, afaik this system wasn't used before.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Osiris Date: 13-10-2005, 09:29	nitsansh, thanks a lot for my favorite topic. Draw your kind attention to a minor mistake: Slovakia has 1,650 (33:20) instead of 1,750 as it is stated in your table but still in Pot C.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 13-10-2005, 09:40

yes, your order is ok, but the coefficients are not:
Poland has 2.056, not 2.176.
Slovakia has 1.650 not 1.750
Hungary 1.389
Finland 1.300
Belarus/Armenia order should be changed(coeff. are right!)

The rest I have the same (I don't say that's correct, but...)

This could lead to 'intersting' unbalanced groups!
Let's say Greece, Romania, Bulgaria could be in 1 group!!
Or Netherlands, Spain, Serbia.
I think any team from pot 4 that at least is qualified for play-offs is in a dangerous group:Serbia, Norway, Ukraine, Slovakia.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 13-10-2005, 15:21

@flob

I have exactly the same coefficients as you.

You only have 2 times 2 teams in the wrong order. Portugal and England have the same overall and WC06 coefficient, but Portugal has the far better avarage GD (2,500 versus 1,167). Same for Luxembourg and San Marino, Luxembourg has a better GD (-3,200 versus -3,778).

So San Marino is in "Pot H". UEFA can off course also decide that there will be 8 teams in Pot G.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Ricardo Date: 13-10-2005, 15:45	I think I see it now, flob. Your first entry with the list is correct, the second one has the glitches I named before.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: flob Date: 13-10-2005, 19:49	@forza, yes, I had the wrong sorting order for the goal difference, England/Portugal and San Marino/Luxembourg change places. @ricardo, I think the 2nd post you are referring to is that one from nitsansh not from me...

Author: nitsansh
Date: 14-10-2005, 05:57
Edited by: nitsansh
at: 14-10-2005, 18:59

OK, here is (hopefully) the correct ranking:

Standings after matches of Oct 12:

	Association	'06	Points	Matches	Coeff. total						
14 	Greece		1,750	39	20	1,950	
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
1	Netherlands	2,667	51	20	2,550	
2	England		2,500	45	18	2,500
3	Portugal 	2,500	30	12	2,500	
4	Czech Republic	2,250	49	20	2,450	
5	France		2,000	44	18	2,445	
6	Sweden		2,400	41	18	2,278	
-----------------------------------------------------
7	Germany		0,000	18	8	2,250
8	Croatia		2,400	40	18	2,222	
9	Italy		2,300	40	18	2,222	
10	Turkey		1,917	42	20	2,100
11	Poland		2,400	37	18	2,056
12	Spain		2,000	37	18	2,056	
13	Romania		2,083	39	20	1,950
-----------------------------------------------------
15	Serbia & Mont.	2,200	34	18	1,889	
16	Russia		1,917	37	20	1,850
17	Denmark		1,833	37	20	1,850
	Switzerland	1,800	33	18	1,833
18	Norway		1,800	32	18	1,778	
19	Bulgaria  	1,500	32	18	1,778
20	Ukraine		2,083	35	20	1,750
21	Slovakia 	1,917	33	20	1,650
-----------------------------------------------------
22	Bosnia-Herz.	1,600	29	18	1,611	
23	Ireland		1,700	28	18	1,556	
24	Belgium		1,200	28	18	1,556	
25	Latvia		1,250	31	20	1,550
26	Israel		1,800	27	18	1,500	
27	Scotland 	1,300	27	18	1,500
28	Slovenia 	1,200	26	18	1,445	
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29	Hungary		1,400	25	18	1,389
	Austria		1,500	24	18	1,333
30	Finland		1,333	26	20	1,300
31	Estonia		1,417	25	20	1,250
32	Wales		0,800	21	18	1,167
33	Lithuania	1,000	20	18	1,111	
34	Albania		1,083	21	20	1,050
35	Iceland		0,400	17	18	0,945
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36	Georgia		0,833	17	20	0,850
37	Macedonia	0,750	15	20	0,750
38	Belarus		1,000	13	18	0,722
39	Armenia		0,583	14	20	0,700
40	North. Ireland	0,900	12	18	0,667
41	Cyprus		0,400	12	18	0,667	
42	Moldova		0,500	11	18	0,611	
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43	Liechtenstein	0,667	9	20	0,450	
44	Azerbaijan	0,300	7	18	0,389
45	Andorra		0,417	5	20	0,250
46	Malta		0,300	4	18	0,222
47	Faroe Islands	0,111	2	18	0,111	
48	Kazakhstan	0,083	1	12	0,083
49	Luxembourg	0,000	0	20	0,000
50	San Marino	0,000	0	18	0,000

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: nitsansh Date: 14-10-2005, 06:04	Did you notice that the ranking system favours teams in larger groups? If you deduct the points they scored against the 7th place teams in their groups, then Romania should be in pot 3 and Serbia in pot 2, Slovakia in pot 4 and Bosnia in pot 3, Latvia in pot 5 and Hungary in pot 4.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: spoonman Date: 14-10-2005, 12:21	UEFA has now announced the official seeding list.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Michele Date: 14-10-2005, 12:40	And it only has 7 pots, so let's assume that any two of the teams in pot 7 may be drawn into the same group.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: anita Date: 14-10-2005, 13:34	nitshansh, of course. The 7th teams are (normally)"six-pointers", but as long as the group draw is fair and square, this may/will even out over the years. But is it fair? I sometimes (more and more) get a creepy feeling that a lot (and too much) is decided in forehand in locked rooms by TOF (short for The Old Farts in UEFA/FIFA).

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 14-10-2005, 16:48	@anita Indeed the system favors teams in larger groups, but on the other hand UEFA always places the "top-countries" in the smaller groups, because their clubteams play more matches in European Cups (bullshit reason off course, but that is another discussion). So that countries get to play less matches, but therefor also have a harder time getting in the top-pot!!!

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: nitsansh Date: 14-10-2005, 18:58 Edited by: nitsansh at: 14-10-2005, 19:00	@Forza As far as I know, only in the latest WCQ draw the big countries were prevented from being drawn into the big groups. In previous tournaments this wasn't an issue because the largest groups contained 6 teams.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: nitsansh Date: 14-10-2005, 19:08	Actually, if I recall correctly, in WCQ1994 there was one group of 7 teams, while one group was left with 5 teams after the suspension of Yugoslavia at the height of the Balkan wars.

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 14-10-2005, 19:51

@nitsansh

I thought that it also was the case in earlier draws. For the World Cup 2002 also the "big 5" were in groups of 5 teams and not in one of the 5 groups with 6 teams.

For Euro 2000 this wasn't the case, but the last 3 qualifying campaign it was (allthough for Euro 2004 all groups were the same size, so it didn't matter).
I'm not seeing a rule as yet, but I doubt very much that the "big 5" will be in the only group with 8 teams for Euro 2008.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Gabi Date: 16-10-2005, 13:45	Please go to this link http://xulescu.freefronthost.com/EURO2008_seeding.xls of an excel sheet i've made and please tell me why the coefficients aren't correct. i just can't figure it out!

Author: alono
Date: 16-10-2005, 14:27
Edited by: alono
at: 16-10-2005, 14:34

To Gabi:

Your calculation of coefficient is wrong. You made it as:
{(a/b)+(c/d)}/2 = a/2b + c/2d
while it is actually:
{(a+c)/(b+d)} = a/(b+d) + c/(b+d)

a,c = number of points
b,d = number of matches

The equality 'a/2b + c/2d = a/(b+d) + c/(b+d)' is true only when b=d, and this is not the case...

Israel, for example, have 27 points in 18 games, 9 in 8 games of euro-04 and 18 in 10 games of mondial-06, so coefficient is 27/18 = 1.5. In your calculation it is (9/8 + 18/10)/2 = something different...

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Gabi Date: 16-10-2005, 16:43	thanx. i took the formula from a romanian sport newspaper. aparently it was wrong.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 17-10-2005, 07:55	GSP, isn't it? They never get the coefficients right. Check out this Romanian forum (link) and you'll find the info you need.

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: Edgar Date: 01-11-2005, 10:53	EURO 2008 full match schedule -> pdf file

Author: MartinW
Date: 02-11-2005, 10:23

I notice that the quarter finals are:
1: Winner A v Runner-up B
2: Winner B v Runner-up A
3: Winner C v Runner-up D
4: Winner D v Runner-up C

But then the semi finals are 1 v 2 and 3 v 4. This means there is a very high chance that two teams qualifying from the same group will meet again at the semi final stage. I thought that previously this was avoided by making the semi finals 1 v 3 and 2 v 4. Then teams from the same group cannot meet again until the final.

Do you think it is a mistake or done deliberately? Anyone have an idea why?

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: svinassa Date: 02-11-2005, 11:52	At least we are certain to avoid the nightmarish final between Switzerland and Austria :p

Re: Euro 2008 seeding
Author: FrancoisD Date: 02-11-2005, 13:38	Remember world cup 2002 : the scheme is dependent on the duo-organization. I suspect that until the final, a country will play only in one country, not in Austria, then Switzerland, then Austria...

Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 02-11-2005, 20:06
Edited by: Forza-AZ
at: 02-11-2005, 20:10

@FrancoisD

That would have been a logical thing if indeed the matches would have been split that way. But groups A and C play in Switzerland and groups B and D in Austria, and still they meet each other in the QF's.

So in this schedule the following teams have to move to the other country:

-All runners-up of the groups
-winner of QF's 1B-2A and 1C-2D
-winner of semifinal 1A/2B-1B/2A

So that's not the explanation in this case, as it indeed was for WC 2002.