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Go East
Author: Red_Star Date: 29-09-2005, 23:59	First-my english are preety bad East-european teams are seems look good this year in UC! CSKA Sofia (Bayer),Dinamo Buc. (Everton),Red Star (Braga),Rapid Buc. (Feyenoord),Levski Sofia (Auxerre),Steaua (Valerenga),Dnipro (Hibernian),Litex (Genk)... Go east! I support all east teams!

Re: Go East
Author: LevskiFan Date: 30-09-2005, 01:39	Yea u're right...the East is really strong this year!I've always thought that we (the Easterns) have bigger potential that the rest of Europe....and I think this year will prove that!

Re: Go East
Author: Osirius Date: 30-09-2005, 01:49	Is Russia and Ukraine EAST for you? Very happy for tha Balkan teames....good result against very solid teames.

Author: slanders
Date: 30-09-2005, 11:48

Good results so far, but we'll wait to see how many get throught the group stages. A lot of those teams are in the bottom two seeding groups so will have a hard task, but not impossible.
The problem with successful Eastern European teams is that the western leagues will offer their best players better wages and prospects. I know the Ukraine and Russian leagues are now attracting quality players and keeping hold of them because of increase in finances from sponsors and runs in the Champions League/Uefa cups. How is the situation in the Balkan countries?

Re: Go East
Author: Mudak Date: 30-09-2005, 12:12	На балканах живут бакланы. All of this is happy accident. From East we have 1 league - russian league. Wi won UEFA blya. Ukrainian is Hokhland (Mordor) and Russia is Katsapstan (Rohan). And USA is Pindostan. Who don't understand - sorry/ I very bad know this language. Ф десятке и ниибет.

Author: Nick
Date: 30-09-2005, 12:13

slanders: Not very different. We have a bunch of quality french players coming from Liga 1 Clubs in Bulgaria lately. They prefer to play in a top team from Bulgaria and play UEFA Cup and fight for the title every year then to stay in the 10th or 11th in France and fight against relegation!
And i don't think the money is that much different. Of course real top clubs like Real, Barca, Chelsea and the likes offer much more money but not clubs from the middle of the table!

Author: slanders
Date: 30-09-2005, 12:50

Thanks Nick. It looks promising for these countries. With a couple of results the 2 Sofia clubs could get into Pot 3 for next year creating an easier draw.
The big picture is what countries can get to 15th place in the Rankings. It is the most interesting battle for this year with so many countries involved!
It's good to hear French players joining the Bulgarian league as it shows their ambition to win titles and will benefit that league enormously. I remember when many foreign players came to the Premiership at its inception and there was complaints that it would stifle English players prospects. Instead it has improved the English players by learning from different cultures and habits to improve their game and I'm sure this is what will happen in Bulgaria.
I await the Uefa group stage draw with baited breath!

Re: Go East
Author: Mudak Date: 30-09-2005, 13:02	Final of UEFA Cup 2005/06 will be CSKA Moskva - Lokomotiv Moskva. Так что пиздуйте на хуй!

Re: Go East
Author: Giuseppe Date: 30-09-2005, 18:38	No the final will be Steaua Bucuresti vs Dinamo Bucuresti ANyway I wish all the succes to our brothers from Bulgaria and Serbia. and FORZA WALTER!!!

Re: Go East
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-09-2005, 20:14	No, it will be AZ-Heerenveen in Eindhoven, so an all Dutch affair.

Re: Go East
Author: Miki Date: 30-09-2005, 20:51	You are wrong,gentlemans.Final game will be Sparta Prague - Slavia Prague with referee from Prague.

Re: Go East
Author: fenix_v Date: 01-10-2005, 00:59	Or maybe CSKA Sofia - Levski Sofia )))) P.S. This would be interesting :D

Re: Go East
Author: Red_Star Date: 01-10-2005, 03:01	Ok,this isn`t topic about why will play in the final,this is about teams from east,especialy Balcan! I think this year couple of teams from Balcan may do something more in UC,especialy my FCRS! Go FCRS,Go all balcan teams

Re: Go East
Author: sansan Date: 02-10-2005, 11:37	Nice to see that there is finally a bit of togetherness in the Balkans. The sentence "we are all surrounded by enemies" has been heard too often in Bulgaria for example. But beware of over-confidence - it won't help.

Re: Go East
Author: andjelic Date: 02-10-2005, 13:43	We are the best!!! CRVENA ZVEZDA In final UEFA Cup Red Star VS Roma??? What are you think???

Re: Go East
Author: anita Date: 02-10-2005, 14:18	Sober up! Talking about regions, last year Balkan had 5 teams in UCGS. This year 9, an 80% increase. Scandinavia had zero teams last season in UCGS, this year 4, an immeasurable percentage increase. But I don't think that implies that any Scandinavian team will win UC. And hardly any Balkan team. None of the Balkan team have that quality, neither Scandinavian.

Re: Go East
Author: Giuseppe Date: 02-10-2005, 15:26 Edited by: Giuseppe at: 02-10-2005, 15:28	We don't need to sober up. This is how we live here in the South-East. Blood boils in our veigns and we easily get excited (and of course we easily get dissapointed when things start to go bad). We're not like Scandinavians - cold and calculated... And I forgot: many teams from this region have great potential and great quality; the only problem they have is mentality

Re: Go East
Author: LevskiFan Date: 02-10-2005, 16:16	Giuseppe, u said exactly what I was going to say....the Balkan people are different from the rest....as u said we are very emotional but our biggest prolem is the mantality! If we manage to think like the Italians for ex.(as winners) we could achieve a lot! Anyways...I think that at least 1 team fom the Balkans will enter the semis of the UC! But lets wait....there's still lot of time....

Author: sansan
Date: 02-10-2005, 18:27

Here we go with all that bollocks again. People in the Balkans are as different among them themselves as Scandinavians are. What about English hooligans from the north, isn't that boiling blood? And I know quite a few cold and calculating people in the Balkan countries when it comes to money.
Be happy about the success this year, but don't make it an east vs. west issue. I am sure people in Scandinavia are just as happy about the improvement from last year, without having to make it some sort of regional fight.
Spokojno be!
Lets concentrate on beating the big ones.

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 02-10-2005, 20:37

It's true that in every nation there are very different kinds of people, but everybody knows that there are also many general attributes that apply to most people in a nation. For example Romanians are both latin and balkanic. That makes us very emotional and very enthusiastic, but it also makes us generaly less calculated and less consistent.
As for hooligans - they have no place in football; in fact hooligans don't care about football, they only care about 'the thrill of the kill'.

Re: Go East
Author: JPV Date: 03-10-2005, 06:43	Guiseppe & co: in my job i deal with all erasmus students all over europe... the most "cold" people are people from romania, poland, slovakia, ... . The finnish i've met last year were the ones who were the most fanatic (although i have to say only the polish people were football fans); Spanish & Italians were crazy as they allways are

Author: sb
Date: 03-10-2005, 11:50

jpv: were not talking about a few students that go and study abroad. (of course they are cold and distant because they know people look at them differently than they look at westerners). i think the people we are speaking of are somehow related to the football phenomenon in each country.
there are a lot of different factors that have some sort of an impact on how people are & how they act when they are in a different country.
so as i said before the topic is about people related to football.(or at least that is what i think).

Re: Go East
Author: cecko_84 Date: 03-10-2005, 14:16	Go East,FORZA BULGARIA and Sirbia and Montenegro.GO go ZURVENA ZVEZDA.

Re: Go East
Author: CP6uH Date: 03-10-2005, 18:27	andjelic, you are very funny. red star vs roma?

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 03-10-2005, 19:04
Edited by: Lyonnais
at: 03-10-2005, 19:35

Dear "Eastern friends",

1. Congratulations for your excellent results in the 1st round of the UEFA Cup.
I am personally delighted by these results, because (i) I personnaly like very much some of the "Eastern" teams and (ii) that's good to see these big nations of football recover.

2. But I guess that you will acknowledge with me that these teams have not won the World Cup yet, right ?
This is just the first round.

3. This is not an East-West competition ! At last, this is not the spirit of European Cups.

The spirit of the competition is that you have to beat everybody to win the cup

What a shame that my all-time favourite club (after Lyon), i.e. the big and prestigious Dynamo Kiev, has not been through.

Wish all success for your teams.
A Westener (should this mean something)

Author: peter
Date: 03-10-2005, 21:10
Edited by: peter
at: 03-10-2005, 21:13

@lyonnais-- first i want to cungratulate you for the very good results of this team (O. Lyon) and i am impressed what this team did in the last years.

Second-- its a great result of eastern teams this year in UEFA CUP, but dont forget to continue with this results in the groups stage too.And I am sure many of the teams will confirm and will qualify in spring of uefa cup.

third-- also dont forget that this year , unlike in last 10 years, eastern european countries dont have not even one team in UCL groups stage. So we sould be worry about this, and for next year i hoppe we 'll have at list a few good teams there too, otherway is no good.

fourth- its good that uefa is pushing the second line of teams from big countries to play more in uefa cup, this way they try to stimulate eastern european teams , but you can see that this second line of teams are not as good as the first line of teams from their own countries.

fifth-- uefa should change the format of the groups stage, making 48 teams -- 8 groups by 6 teams -first 4 top teams in each group to qualify. And please stop bringing the 3 positions teams from UCL group stage in Uefa cup. This is non-sens , they played already too many games, and beside this, they are already losers and they dont deserve to be in 16-th of any european competition.

Author: MalcolmW
Date: 03-10-2005, 23:20

@Lyonnais
You say "The spirit of the competition is that you have to beat everybody to win the cup" but this certainly doesn't apply to the UEFA Cup. It is possible to win the competition by winning only one match - the Final! (and even this may be on penalties...)
How? In head-to-head knockout rounds draw every match but advance on away goals. In group phase if 2 clubs each beat the other 3 they will be first and second with 12 pts and 9 (or 10pts each if they draw with each other). If the 3 remaining teams draw with each other one of them will qualify with 0 wins, 2 draws and 2 defeats (2 pts only!).

Author: Serge
Date: 08-10-2005, 16:08

Moldova is happy!!! I have a large circle of favoutites in european cups (because from moldova there isn't any team that may make a surprise like qualifing just in the 1st round). I am happy that my favourite team in world qualified without emotions - Steaua Bucuresti. I hope that not only Steaua, but all eastern, especially Balkan teams qualify as further as possible. It's a pity sherrif tiraspol from moldova can't show its sports base, one of the best in europe...

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 08-10-2005, 18:29

@Lyonnais
1. It's nice to see that some people still apreciate the football played over here, but the one that should be showing its support is UEFA... God forbid! UEFA ever doing something for the development of football in the east? what was I thinking?
2. Over here you learn to apreciate every good result you get, because you can never know when the next one will come.
3. Oh, no! this is where you are mistaken: UEFA has done a very good job of separating RICH football (which generaly comes from the West) and POOR football (guess where that is? yes, you guest it: East.)
@JPV
Of course students that come from the East are that way. They prefer solitude because they know what poor opinion Westerners have of them. Take Romania for instance - the clash between Dinamo and Everton showed exactly what Westerners think of us: a country full of gypsies, 'smelly orphans' and thrash (just visit the official forum of Everton if you don't believe). One of the Everton players said something like this: "... that's how they play football in THAT PART OF THE WORLD". Wouldn't this be enough to make one feel excluded from Europe?

Re: Go East
Author: Nick Date: 08-10-2005, 20:30 Edited by: Nick at: 08-10-2005, 20:30	Unfortunately Giuseppe is absolutely right. I was disgusted when i saw the OFFICIAL guide for Bolton fans to the game Loko Plovdiv - Bolton. They were talking about....vampires!!!! And this is an official program for the game not some shit from arrogant fans.

Author: Lunaris
Date: 10-10-2005, 17:06

well guiseppe, i'm from austria and i'm pretty sure that english citizens mostly speak of "that part of the world" no matter where they are (if it's outside uk and usa)

and for your comment of how westeners think of the people in eastern europe, i've to admit (sadly) that you're right

it changes of course, but rather slowly, i hope that soon, we (the people in the west) will find out that there's not so much difference between us (east and west), but till this change is fulfilled there might be many clashes of that kind you describe

Author: Giuseppe
Date: 10-10-2005, 17:32

Well I just hope that more and more people will start to thinks like that. What many should understand is that the differences between the East and West are understandable: communsim did a lot of damage in the East, not only economicaly, but also culturaly and socialy. It takes time to recover, because many harmful things were imbeded in the collective minds of Easterners during the almost 50 years of communism.
Of course, it goes without saying, that the West has social and cultural issues of its own that it has to take care of.

Re: Go East
Author: Miki Date: 10-10-2005, 18:26	Countries of Eastern Europe are warning fo everyone who cheers for Marx ideology.With nowadays fast eastern GDP growht (and slow western GDP growht) is possible to catch up with Western Europe(standarts of living) in near future(10-15 years for Svk,Slo,Cro,Cze,Hun,Pol,and Baltic countries,15-20 yr.for Rom,Bul,20-30 for Ukr,Rus,Bel,Mol).That means no more cheap labor from the East.

Author: sansan
Date: 10-10-2005, 21:09

I really think we should talk football instead of this. I believe that mainly stupid people have these prejudices about the "others", and there are many stupid people in the world of football (UEFA bosses,players, fans, ME?), so don't judge all westeners by looking at Bolton fans.

And communism is not the only reason for the problems in the east (even if that is what we learn in school), in some countries quite the opposite.

And hurrah for the economic growth but the most needed changes aren't really economic...at least not everywhere.

Anyways I hope the new generations will start anew because we really don't need the feelings of inferiority, arrongance etc. and football can probably help a great deal.

Re: Go East
Author: Miki Date: 11-10-2005, 07:31 Edited by: Miki at: 11-10-2005, 07:32	I hope you are right,football can be good instrument for unification.It needs time...

Author: MalcolmW
Date: 12-10-2005, 09:50

@ Nick (et al)
Having attended the Bolton v Loko Plovdiv game and read the programme I was surprised to see your quotes.
After reading through in more detail I found one page (out of 52) headed 'All things Bulgarian' contributed by the "Diplomatic Correspondent" (yes, really!) of the Sunday Times. As I was not going to Bourgas I had only skimmed this pathetic page, which was nothing to do with football.
I am sorry that offence was caused, and disappointed that a false picture of Bolton Wanderers painted by this.
Bolton is a club which, under Allardyce, has maximised its potential and reached standards beyond dreams. This has been achieved without silly spending (a la Leeds United), but by audacious signings of stars who have fallen from favour with fomer clubs. It started with Djorkaeff and Bobic, and has since included Okocha and Campo, amongst many others.
On back-room staff numbers 2 and 3 left on the same day in the summer, the former to become manager at Derby County and the latter to become number 2 at Crystal Palace. The replacements were a full-time member of the England coaching staff and (just appointed) the reserve team coach at Manchester United. Neither of these moves could have been expected as ever feasible 5 years ago.
I feel sure that Bolton will continue to shuffle team selection in the UEFA Group Stage, hoping to qualfy for the knock-out stages but hardly broken hearted if they fail to do so.
Only 3 players are likely to be involved in the WCT (with Tunisia, Japan and Mexico) and none of these is, as yet, a regular starter for the club.
Only 1 Bolton player was involved in Euro 2004 - for Greece (remember them?).
The African Nations Cup will involve Bolton players for Tunisia, Nigeria and Senegal.

Re: Go East
Author: Nick Date: 12-10-2005, 16:40	I don't know the Bolton fans. I just comment on that publication that was translated and reprinted in the bulgarian sports newspapers.

Author: Lunaris
Date: 12-10-2005, 17:36

the media tend to search for things, which could make the public angry, no matter if this was just a funny comment, a question or something else, said by an opponent without wanting to harm anyone

same thing happened in the poland-austria match:
didi kьhbauer was accused by the polish media to have said to a polish player in austrian bundesliga that he's a "stinking pole"

although this was not true (this has been confirmed by the polish player - after the game of course!!!) the media told the fans to attack kьhbauer personally
(!!! after the game the polish officials apologized for this behaviour - wonder why they couldn't do something bout it before - well just have to count 1+1)
and the fans of course took this point and attacked him

i guess the same things happened in bulgaria where the newspapers tried to build up a hatred scene - for whatever

Re: Go East
Author: Nick Date: 12-10-2005, 18:06	I really hope Lunaris is right.

Author: Serge
Date: 17-10-2005, 13:46

Mudak, you are "lamer"(from russian) in football.Yes, you won UC, but Romanians and Serbian have even better results. They one CL,Steaua Bucuresti played even 2 finals. CSKA was like shit in Super Cup, Steaua won it, and Red Star Belgrad won Intercontinental Cup. Shut up, Eastern Football is in balkans !!!! Russian money wont take the pride of Balkans that are the only in East who won CL (twice), Super Cup, Intercontinental !!!!!!!